Ramps' not future Richmond premiership players

[mightytiges]

From the first list all those bolded now gone!

1) Moore,
2) Hartigan,
3) Limbach,
4) Humm,
5) Roach,
6) Rodan,
7) Chaffey,
Howat,
9) McGuane,
10) Stafford
11) Gaspar
12) Daniel Jackson
13) Trent Knoble
14) Nathan Foley
15) Andrew Krakouer
16) Greg Tivendale
17) Ray Hall
18) Shane Tuck

Most of the 2nd installment are gone as they appeared in the first list.

Still have faith in Sarge Ramps?

Moore, Hyde, Schulz, JON, Meyer, Hughes, Collins and Howat (if he survives) will be under pressure next year for mine for different reasons. The older ones need to cement a spot in the side to survive and the younger ones need to start pushing for selection and playing some AFL games. The 2008 draft is meant to be a strong and deep one so lists may be cut deeper than this year.

[Ramps]

Ramps' New List of Non Richmond Premiership Players are in Bold- THE 2ND INSTALLMENT!

11. Joel Bowden - Hes a different player to brown at the same age. Doubt he'd be there.

12. Matthew Richardson (vet - outside) - Wont make it unfortunately becaue hell retire beforehand. Champion who deserved better!

13. Trent Knobel - NO

15. Kayne Pettifer - NO

16. Patrick Bowden - NO

17. Kane Johnson - NO

18. Kent Kingsley - NO

20. Ray Hall - NO

21. Shane Tuck - NO

23. Daniel Jackson - NO

24. Mark Coughlan - NO- Injuries will cruel him, he was lacking a yard before the knees, a Great
Bloke and a player who gave us hope when he started, Great Respect for him but I cant see it.

25. Jay Schulz - NO

27. Andrew Krakouer - NO

31. Chris Hyde - NO

32. Greg Tivendale - NO

33. Brent Hartigan - NO

35. Matthew White - NO - Hes a goer could be a squad player in a good side but I have doubts that in a premiership side a coach would pick him in the final 22.

38. Luke McGuane - NO - I cant see it, hopefully Im wrong, but we need a bigger full back in Time.

40. Kelvin Moore - NO

43. Cameron Howat - NO

There are some others who escaped who were borderline like Meyer and afew others as well- they have been given the benefit of the doubt

this was installment 2. Jay Schulz was on the list a while back.

[mightytiges]

Ramps' New List of Non Richmond Premiership Players are in Bold- THE 2ND INSTALLMENT!

11. Joel Bowden - Hes a different player to brown at the same age. Doubt he'd be there.

12. Matthew Richardson (vet - outside) - Wont make it unfortunately becaue hell retire beforehand. Champion who deserved better!

13. Trent Knobel - NO

15. Kayne Pettifer - NO

16. Patrick Bowden - NO

17. Kane Johnson - NO

18. Kent Kingsley - NO

20. Ray Hall - NO

21. Shane Tuck - NO

23. Daniel Jackson - NO

24. Mark Coughlan - NO- Injuries will cruel him, he was lacking a yard before the knees, a Great
Bloke and a player who gave us hope when he started, Great Respect for him but I cant see it.

25. Jay Schulz - NO

27. Andrew Krakouer - NO

31. Chris Hyde - NO

32. Greg Tivendale - NO

33. Brent Hartigan - NO

35. Matthew White - NO - Hes a goer could be a squad player in a good side but I have doubts that in a premiership side a coach would pick him in the final 22.

38. Luke McGuane - NO - I cant see it, hopefully Im wrong, but we need a bigger full back in Time.

40. Kelvin Moore - NO

43. Cameron Howat - NO

There are some others who escaped who were borderline like Meyer and afew others as well- they have been given the benefit of the doubt

this was installment 2. Jay Schulz was on the list a while back.

Cheers Ramps. What stands out there is 11 of the 14 still left on your list Ramps are from pre-2004 draft. Browny, Newy and Rainesy the only pre-2004ers who aren't listed.

[mightytiges]

Bump lol

1) Moore,
2) Hartigan,
3) Limbach,
4) Humm,
5) Roach,
6) Rodan,
7) Chaffey,
Howat,
9) McGuane,
10) Stafford
11) Gaspar
12) Daniel Jackson
13) Trent Knoble
14) Nathan Foley
15) Andrew Krakouer
16) Greg Tivendale
17) Ray Hall
18) Shane Tuck

Ramps' New List of Non Richmond Premiership Players are in Bold- THE 2ND INSTALLMENT!

11. Joel Bowden - Hes a different player to brown at the same age. Doubt he'd be there.

12. Matthew Richardson (vet - outside) - Wont make it unfortunately becaue hell retire beforehand. Champion who deserved better!

13. Trent Knobel - NO

15. Kayne Pettifer - NO

16. Patrick Bowden - NO

17. Kane Johnson - NO

18. Kent Kingsley - NO

20. Ray Hall - NO

21. Shane Tuck - NO

23. Daniel Jackson - NO

24. Mark Coughlan - NO- Injuries will cruel him, he was lacking a yard before the knees, a Great
Bloke and a player who gave us hope when he started, Great Respect for him but I cant see it.

25. Jay Schulz - NO

27. Andrew Krakouer - NO

31. Chris Hyde - NO

32. Greg Tivendale - NO

33. Brent Hartigan - NO

35. Matthew White - NO - Hes a goer could be a squad player in a good side but I have doubts that in a premiership side a coach would pick him in the final 22.

38. Luke McGuane - NO - I cant see it, hopefully Im wrong, but we need a bigger full back in Time.

40. Kelvin Moore - NO

43. Cameron Howat - NO

There are some others who escaped who were borderline like Meyer and afew others as well- they have been given the benefit of the doubt

Only 5 have survived your first installment Ramps 2 years later  . Half of the 2nd one are still around.

Might be time for a 3rd installment  .

[Ramps]

He he he quite afew have taken the long boat to china since this started.

Some quick points:

JON has been a terrible disappointment for mine, I thought that kid could play, sadly it seems he cant and if he survives being delisted then he'll probably appear on the next list, Hughes has shown he can play but doesnt do it enough.

Foley is a star and is young enough to play in RFCs next premiership side.

Moore needs another 12 months like his last year before he gets taken of the list.

McGuane also needs to do more but he is also on the right track. A new list will be delivered in time, but not right now.

Its been interesting looking back at some of the names that have left, Id actually forgotten some of them lol.

[mightytiges]

The first list there just shows how much obvious deadwood there was on our list. To cut half is still a lot on the second list but at least it's getting harder to pick out who is a certain delisting and some like Moore have been late developers.

JON should never have been taken at pick 8 and not because he's been a disappointment. You don't select 4/5-year project players (especially one who isn't even a KPP) with a top 10 pick. Leave them to late in the draft or the rookie list. Oh well we can't change that now except not make the same mistake in the future.

[one-eyed]

A Tiger supporter rang up 3aw today naming 8 players named in the squad for tomorrow who weren't up to it and we should have got rid of them yet we've continued to persist with them for 3-4 years. Caro agreed and with Tony Shaw added a couple of more.

McGuane - Walls thought the supporter was harsh with Luke.
Polo
Jackson - Caro said the club loves what he adds to the club as an individual but he's never going to be more than a average footballer.
Schulz - Caro said we should have traded him last year.
Pattison
Tambling - Caro said the club has invested a lot of time for him.
King
White? - supporter put a question mark.


Caro then added:
McMahon
JON - called him a "dud"
Polak - won't play again
Cogs - one more injury and he'll retire

Shaw added all our 30+ guys as a sign our list will need rebuilding again. Caro said Joel will retire at the end of this year. The supporter said we're 3 years off finals (2011) and 6-7 years away from challenging.

[Hellenic Tiger]

In 2003 Miller said we were 6-7 years away
Now people are saying we are 6 to 7 years away.
Unfortunantely those that know their footy have got a good case. Tony Shaw is just a knob mind you but anyway
Bowden Johnson Richo Brown Stafford when all these boys retire especially Richo and Simmonds they will leave gaping holes in our structure which unfortunantely we have not got the players or the players have not developed enough to suggest this. Add in all the draft concessions GC17 and WS18 over the next 5 or so years and the hope for a premiership even for the youngest players on our list has diminished further. As evidenced in the first two weeks we have gaping deficiencies everywhere and the gap is not closing.

[Smokey]

In 2003 Miller said we were 6-7 years away
Now people are saying we are 6 to 7 years away.

Don't make the foolish mistake of including "Tony Shaw" and "people" in that same sentence.

Unfortunantely those that know their footy have got a good case. Tony Shaw is just a knob mind you but anyway
Bowden Johnson Richo Brown Stafford when all these boys retire especially Richo and Simmonds they will leave gaping holes in our structure which unfortunantely we have not got the players or the players have not developed enough to suggest this. Add in all the draft concessions GC17 and WS18 over the next 5 or so years and the hope for a premiership even for the youngest players on our list has diminished further. As evidenced in the first two weeks we have gaping deficiencies everywhere and the gap is not closing.

Hmmm, Bowden is not first picked or regularly in our best any more, Johnson is out for at least half the season and most likely to retire at season's end, Richo is still one of our best, Brown is now spasmodic and not reliable week in/week out, Simmonds is indispensable and Stafford retired 2 years ago.  Don't over-estimate the influence of this older group - we would only 'really miss' two of these - our team is already well down the path of rebuilding and is much, much better placed than the knee-jerk Chicken Little reactions after one game would have you believe.  To quote you - "as evidenced in the first two weeks" - I contend that "as evidenced in the first week" - EVERY SINGLE PLAYER WAS GUILTY OF LACKING THE GAMEDAY ATTITUDE AND COMMITTMENT REQUIRED OF AN AFL TEAM - and that we have not seen enough of the 2009 team to give credence or more than a passing glance to comments such as those made by that little twerp Tony Shaw.  The team that played in game 2 would have beaten the team that played in game 1 by 10 goals and last night's results point out the reality of how good the Carlton's are of this world.

[Judge Roughneck]

Bowden
King
Pettifer
McMahon
Polak
Silvester

I do not reckon Jackson will ever have a prem medal. 

[mightytiges]

Our 23-28 y.o. group which should be the core to any team is still ordinary while we wait for those U23 to grow older, develop and gain the experience and hard bodies needed to be a successful team.

27: Pettifer (109 games), Tuck (93)
26: Coughlan (83), Newman (135)
25: McMahon (137), King (34), Moore (48)
24: Polak (106), Silvester# (-)
23: Schulz (69), Foley (72), Pattison (53), Raines (54)

Only Tucky, Newy, Moore and Foley are guaranteed best 22ers currently and none are A-graders.

While there's still no excuse for us not to make the finals in a comp where 50% of the sides each year can make it we still are a long way from being true contenders both on and off field. We won't get all our new facilities full operating until mid-2010 and the recruiting dept. is really only now catching in terms of resources compared to other clubs. The club has made strides but we really are only halfway through the job.

[Hellenic Tiger]

In 2003 Miller said we were 6-7 years away
Now people are saying we are 6 to 7 years away.

Don't make the foolish mistake of including "Tony Shaw" and "people" in that same sentence.

Unfortunantely those that know their footy have got a good case. Tony Shaw is just a knob mind you but anyway
Bowden Johnson Richo Brown Stafford when all these boys retire especially Richo and Simmonds they will leave gaping holes in our structure which unfortunantely we have not got the players or the players have not developed enough to suggest this. Add in all the draft concessions GC17 and WS18 over the next 5 or so years and the hope for a premiership even for the youngest players on our list has diminished further. As evidenced in the first two weeks we have gaping deficiencies everywhere and the gap is not closing.

Hmmm, Bowden is not first picked or regularly in our best any more, Johnson is out for at least half the season and most likely to retire at season's end, Richo is still one of our best, Brown is now spasmodic and not reliable week in/week out, Simmonds is indispensable and Stafford retired 2 years ago.  Don't over-estimate the influence of this older group - we would only 'really miss' two of these - our team is already well down the path of rebuilding and is much, much better placed than the knee-jerk Chicken Little reactions after one game would have you believe.  To quote you - "as evidenced in the first two weeks" - I contend that "as evidenced in the first week" - EVERY SINGLE PLAYER WAS GUILTY OF LACKING THE GAMEDAY ATTITUDE AND COMMITTMENT REQUIRED OF AN AFL TEAM - and that we have not seen enough of the 2009 team to give credence or more than a passing glance to comments such as those made by that little twerp Tony Shaw.  The team that played in game 2 would have beaten the team that played in game 1 by 10 goals and last night's results point out the reality of how good the Carlton's are of this world.

Thanks Smokey point taken, you do raise some valid points.

[Mr Magic]

Our 23-28 y.o. group which should be the core to any team is still ordinary while we wait for those U23 to grow older, develop and gain the experience and hard bodies needed to be a successful team.

27: Pettifer (109 games), Tuck (93)
26: Coughlan (83), Newman (135)
25: McMahon (137), King (34), Moore (48)
24: Polak (106), Silvester# (-)
23: Schulz (69), Foley (72), Pattison (53), Raines (54)

Only Tucky, Newy, Moore and Foley are guaranteed best 22ers currently and none are A-graders.

Makes depressing reading. Going to be a while yet..

[Smokey]

Thanks Smokey point taken, you do raise some valid points.

Cheers TB.  And as Fishfinger just pointed out to me, I was probably a bit harsh in my judgement on Bowden and was probably guilty of mixing my forecast for the rest of the year instead of sticking to current reality.  He has been in the best in 8 out of our past 12 games so right here today we would probably miss him more than I gave credit for.

[Fishfinger]

8 out of 13 now. 
Far from our worst but not in the best, unless I suffer through a replay on TV and see it differently.