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« Reply #360 on: October 01, 2013, 04:37:18 AM »
Put yourself in any Richmond players shoes Daniel.

Then take them off and put yourself in your grandmother's shoes who loves Richmond.

Would you continue to heap crap on Richmond?
No doubt it's tough on the family of the player as it's their boy who is being affected but rightly or wrongly list managers at clubs these days are paid to make decisions on players' futures without emotions getting in the way. As we've seen with the Dusty/Carr circus, the Club clearly has a definite view on the value of each player on our list and is sticking to it. Port are offering Whitey far more than what we are willing to pay (particularly the 3 years AFAIK). As a free agent, the Club would have to match Port's offer for Whitey to remain a Tiger and clearly the Club has said no to that.

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« Reply #361 on: October 01, 2013, 04:47:04 AM »
Is this confirmed? Weak effort RFC IMO. He's a keeper.

Are you serious?
White for Chaplain.
Fair trade IMO.
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« Reply #362 on: October 01, 2013, 07:01:03 AM »
Yes Bill.

Both clubs know where Whitey is playing next year.

You may well see him cry at his last Tiger function tonight.

He certainly didn't cry.


It's a disgrace that the most improved player is a senior player who played a vital role throughout the year and was sorely missed during the last few games, especially in the finals.

How can a professional club let this kind of player just leave and become part of a serious rival that may well beat us in a final?

Although I understand your angst and trust me I am not trying to be a smart you know whatskis

but the fact remains he has been offered a new contract by the RFC, so to say they are just letting him leave is not totally correct. The choice is now his.

Whatever he decides though going by the talk in the room last night he is likely going, I wish him all the very best because he is a terrific young man and as has been proven this year a very good player

Dissappointed that Matt White has chosen to move on after a low ball offer from RFC for list management reasons.

Should have been a few pushed out before MW and how King, Foley & Grigg have gained lengthier & healthier contract terms is a mystery.

Thanks for your efforts Matt at RFC and congrats on the Most Improved Award.

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« Reply #363 on: October 01, 2013, 07:01:48 AM »
Put yourself in any Richmond players shoes Daniel.

Then take them off and put yourself in your grandmother's shoes who loves Richmond.

Would you continue to heap crap on Richmond?
No doubt it's tough on the family of the player as it's their boy who is being affected but rightly or wrongly list managers at clubs these days are paid to make decisions on players' futures without emotions getting in the way. As we've seen with the Dusty/Carr circus, the Club clearly has a definite view on the value of each player on our list and is sticking to it. Port are offering Whitey far more than what we are willing to pay (particularly the 3 years AFAIK). As a free agent, the Club would have to match Port's offer for Whitey to remain a Tiger and clearly the Club has said no to that.

Has he made his decision yet?

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« Reply #364 on: October 01, 2013, 07:05:24 AM »
Put yourself in any Richmond players shoes Daniel.

Then take them off and put yourself in your grandmother's shoes who loves Richmond.

Would you continue to heap crap on Richmond?
No doubt it's tough on the family of the player as it's their boy who is being affected but rightly or wrongly list managers at clubs these days are paid to make decisions on players' futures without emotions getting in the way. As we've seen with the Dusty/Carr circus, the Club clearly has a definite view on the value of each player on our list and is sticking to it. Port are offering Whitey far more than what we are willing to pay (particularly the 3 years AFAIK). As a free agent, the Club would have to match Port's offer for Whitey to remain a Tiger and clearly the Club has said no to that.

Has he made his decision yet?

Going by the talk in the room last night, answer is YES
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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #365 on: October 01, 2013, 07:06:59 AM »
Is this confirmed? Weak effort RFC IMO. He's a keeper.

Are you serious?
White for Chaplain.
Fair trade IMO.

Are YOU serious? Who said anything about a trade? There was none. And certainly nothing to do with Chaplin lol. What the hell are you on about?

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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #366 on: October 01, 2013, 07:48:38 AM »
Put yourself in any Richmond players shoes Daniel.

Then take them off and put yourself in your grandmother's shoes who loves Richmond.

Would you continue to heap crap on Richmond?
No doubt it's tough on the family of the player as it's their boy who is being affected but rightly or wrongly list managers at clubs these days are paid to make decisions on players' futures without emotions getting in the way. As we've seen with the Dusty/Carr circus, the Club clearly has a definite view on the value of each player on our list and is sticking to it. Port are offering Whitey far more than what we are willing to pay (particularly the 3 years AFAIK). As a free agent, the Club would have to match Port's offer for Whitey to remain a Tiger and clearly the Club has said no to that.

Has he made his decision yet?

Going by the talk in the room last night, answer is YES

staying or going?

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« Reply #367 on: October 01, 2013, 07:57:52 AM »
i cant see how anyone can blame us by not renewing that contract.

if he goes he goes.

good luck to him

Spot on Dan.  Not worth 3 years @ anywhere near that type of coin.  In all his years with us he has only ever been able to string a couple of good games together before descending back into the pack of middling midfielders that spend most of their time in the 2's.  I really like Whitey and his attitude but he isn't a great player or even a consistent player and keeping him for sentiments sake is not going to ever win us a flag so if he (rightly so) wants the security of 3 years at another club on good coin then he should go with our blessing.

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« Reply #368 on: October 01, 2013, 08:15:22 AM »
without knowing the situation as far as what players are getting paid one angle is by signing white and a lot of others hurts  our ability to go after a player like taylor adams.
signing players like white mcguane jackson grigg king griffiths edwards to multiple yr contracts is now in all likely hood kicking us in the arse. the talk is we cant resign martin and we cant offer blokes like adams and longer enough or match other clubs offers.
im wondering how that can be.

if this is correct the club sure as hell is getting something very wrong when it comes to list management and more specific contracts. none of those mentioned should be getting more than one yr contracts because of their erratic form from yr to yr.most of em should have been cut ages ago.

im waiting with bated breath to see who and how many we cut ive said openly that 8 to 10 should go including rookies. yet it seems we are slowly but surely tying every one up bar  a few.further inhibiting our ability to go after quality and needed players.

it looks atm a lot like 95 and 01 where they thought they had the lists to become regular  top 4 when the truth was we were nowhere near it.
if the club fails at this watershed moment we can all look forward to many yrs back in the wilderness.
i've also asked openly how you expect to relace 8-10 players in one hit and have a decent chance of actually getting upgrades?
and ive replied in detail. not my problem if you wish to stick your head in the sand or be stupid about it.
theres a fair few clubs who have already cut between 6 and 8 players i suppose your wondering how they are going to do it as well. and thats without lists being finalised.

 
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one f/a
one psd 
one delisted player from another club. thats 6 to  7 to the list proper depending on if we use pick 64.

3/4 rookie picks




Ah, no. last time i posed the question, i also asked you to take certain things into consideration, which was a mistake, as you then picked and twisted them, rambled endlessly and never gave the info i was after..

even now it was was like panning for gold, sifting through the irrelevant mindless crap to get to the answer, which i have edited as above.

so in essence we will either 2 3rd rounders or a 3rd and 4th, as we will not get much better for any trades.
as you said yourself, 3rd rounders go at around about 50% but my suspicion it is less.

one fa.granted thats reasonable.
one delisted player, yeah possible to get a short term upgrade such as chappy, but most delisted players will more be in the matt thomas mode though.

one PSD. well they are normally a longer shot than 3rd rounders, so the odds are getting longer.

and then 3-4 rookies.
well what are the odds of rookies making it? as they are basically left over after the ND and PSD, so now we are getting to the bottom the barrel, so they would have to be much less than 50%, which is why the club has gone down the path of mature discards, coz you get some certainity in having someone who can step straight in if injuries hit, albeit at an average level, with minimal cost. its like backing a short priced horse for a place rather than backing a long shot for a win.

so on average of the 8-10 you talk about we would be upgrading on 4-6 only, and only 2-3 of those would be stepping up in the short term.

but i can see how you find that appealing, as it would contribute to your wish to sliding back down the ladder.

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« Reply #369 on: October 01, 2013, 08:36:06 AM »
Nothing has been said cause Trade week is coming  ;D Whitey is one of us & always has been. If other clubs are offering him a longer contract then take it. Its not so much the money but the security of employment is what players search want. Players come & go & unfortunately Matt was drafted on his terrific TAC form for being a skilled & dangerous player with explosive speed, which was hit by injury.  He has also had problems during his career with injury which has limited him at times when we really needed him. Just think if we had better staff back in the days when he 1st showed up at punt road. Anyway thanks for the service Matty & we wish you all the success in your future with your new club. Your not the 1st Richmond supporter who has lived your dream & moved on, You wont be the last. Good Luck but you still have a chance to change your mind & help us win a premiership & really live your dream  ;D  :santa

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« Reply #370 on: October 01, 2013, 09:11:13 AM »
staying or going?

Answered it here:

Whatever he decides though going by the talk in the room last night he is likely going, I wish him all the very best because he is a terrific young man and as has been proven this year a very good player



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Trade week doens't effect Matt White Monk,

He is unrestricted free agent. Doesn't need to be traded, he can go to the club of his choice and he can do that on Friday  ;D

i cant see how anyone can blame us by not renewing that contract.

if he goes he goes.

good luck to him

Spot on Dan.  Not worth 3 years @ anywhere near that type of coin.  In all his years with us he has only ever been able to string a couple of good games together before descending back into the pack of middling midfielders that spend most of their time in the 2's.  I really like Whitey and his attitude but he isn't a great player or even a consistent player and keeping him for sentiments sake is not going to ever win us a flag so if he (rightly so) wants the security of 3 years at another club on good coin then he should go with our blessing.

Agree with what you are saying Smokey.

Choice is now Matt's and if he can secure his future by going somewhere else and it is truly what he wants to do then no one should begrudge him that.

But there is also the old saying about the grass not necessarily being greener over the other side...

I supose part of the issue some folks have and I can understand their view is the fact that the Club will offer people like Grigg who aren't great players either long term deals on good coin. They seem to be prepared to pay overs for some but not even come close to offering others what they are worth
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« Reply #371 on: October 01, 2013, 09:11:45 AM »
I really feel we need him in our best 22. Line breaker, we need his pace !!

I feel he has been hard done by RFC. One of few players who absolutely give it his all and still cant get a decent contract, hope he stays but looks like he's gone.  :-\

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« Reply #372 on: October 01, 2013, 09:24:01 AM »


Trade week doens't effect Matt White Monk,

He is unrestricted free agent. Doesn't need to be traded, he can go to the club of his choice and he can do that on Friday  ;D



ok never realised he was unrestricted, anyway its his choice. Hope he don't walk away from his dream but as you know many who leave or retire are pushed out the door by the club & always have been.  ;D

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« Reply #373 on: October 01, 2013, 09:24:41 AM »
You would be correct in placing me in that category WP

Grigg new contract/Edwards new contract
White 1 year

I have an issue with that

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« Reply #374 on: October 01, 2013, 10:20:35 AM »
without knowing the situation as far as what players are getting paid one angle is by signing white and a lot of others hurts  our ability to go after a player like taylor adams.
signing players like white mcguane jackson grigg king griffiths edwards to multiple yr contracts is now in all likely hood kicking us in the arse. the talk is we cant resign martin and we cant offer blokes like adams and longer enough or match other clubs offers.
im wondering how that can be.

if this is correct the club sure as hell is getting something very wrong when it comes to list management and more specific contracts. none of those mentioned should be getting more than one yr contracts because of their erratic form from yr to yr.most of em should have been cut ages ago.

im waiting with bated breath to see who and how many we cut ive said openly that 8 to 10 should go including rookies. yet it seems we are slowly but surely tying every one up bar  a few.further inhibiting our ability to go after quality and needed players.

it looks atm a lot like 95 and 01 where they thought they had the lists to become regular  top 4 when the truth was we were nowhere near it.
if the club fails at this watershed moment we can all look forward to many yrs back in the wilderness.
i've also asked openly how you expect to relace 8-10 players in one hit and have a decent chance of actually getting upgrades?
and ive replied in detail. not my problem if you wish to stick your head in the sand or be stupid about it.
theres a fair few clubs who have already cut between 6 and 8 players i suppose your wondering how they are going to do it as well. and thats without lists being finalised.

 
4nd picks
one f/a
one psd 
one delisted player from another club. thats 6 to  7 to the list proper depending on if we use pick 64.

3/4 rookie picks




Ah, no. last time i posed the question, i also asked you to take certain things into consideration, which was a mistake, as you then picked and twisted them, rambled endlessly and never gave the info i was after..

even now it was was like panning for gold, sifting through the irrelevant mindless crap to get to the answer, which i have edited as above.

so in essence we will either 2 3rd rounders or a 3rd and 4th, as we will not get much better for any trades.
as you said yourself, 3rd rounders go at around about 50% but my suspicion it is less.

one fa.granted thats reasonable.
one delisted player, yeah possible to get a short term upgrade such as chappy, but most delisted players will more be in the matt thomas mode though.

one PSD. well they are normally a longer shot than 3rd rounders, so the odds are getting longer.

and then 3-4 rookies.
well what are the odds of rookies making it? as they are basically left over after the ND and PSD, so now we are getting to the bottom the barrel, so they would have to be much less than 50%, which is why the club has gone down the path of mature discards, coz you get some certainity in having someone who can step straight in if injuries hit, albeit at an average level, with minimal cost. its like backing a short priced horse for a place rather than backing a long shot for a win.

so on average of the 8-10 you talk about we would be upgrading on 4-6 only, and only 2-3 of those would be stepping up in the short term.

but i can see how you find that appealing, as it would contribute to your wish to sliding back down the ladder.
oh dear it really is amusing to watch the contortions of thjose who just wont admit they are wrong. forever  letting their dislike of others twist what they say.
its funny no opinion on the subject at all but real keen to drag those down that do have one.
4 nd picks son we will use em upgrade or not.

chapman jolly laidler all upgrades on those they replace. 
mirra howson and cain all better skilled  rookies than what we have now and they are ready to go.
like i said it aint hard  a blind man could improve our list but keep the head in the sand its funny. we obviously have a premiership list with your type of thinking. i know  lets just cut the bare minimum of  3 lets hang onto the duds because they are good blokes.

have a try for yourself it aint hard even you could come up with 9 or 10 better options than what we currently have. oh thats right your not here to put it out there your just here to criticise those who have opposing views.

fair dinkum i will never understand the love of duds and the need of  people to want to keep so many of them who have no value what so ever. i will never ever understand why people want to sit on so many  awful players rather than try something new.
you do realise al even if we cut 8 - 10 theres a shedload of other hacks on the list still for you to support.