Ok, forget the negativity, what do we need to do to improve?

[WilliamPowell]

Everyone has a right to feel peeed off at the moment, and so am I, but there isn't a darn thing you can do about it unless Wallace walks away from a contract and that's not going to happen.  

And there is that off chance that things are just out of his control.  Do we have the right players?  Probably not.  Have we recruited well?  Only time will tell.  Will we go backwards before we get to where we want to be?  More probably yes than not.  Is Wallace's coaching up to scratch?  Probably is, but does he have thick heads receiving his messages?  More than likely.

You can get peeed off with the club all you lot like, but you won't help the situation.  If everyone demands Wallace's head and turns us into this vicious cycle once again, knowing full well that our players aren't up to it - which most of you have been telling us over the years, but apparently that's Wallace's fault   - then say tata now to the Tiges.

Can't see who started this thread about forgetting the negativity, but I   it.  So sick of the pain like everyone else, but I don't see too many options available to us at the moment of changing it unless it comes from within, and that includes not only the coach, the players but the supporters as well.

The bloke I sit with told me last week I was nauseatingly positive about everything.  If I wasn't, and had an attitude like some of you lot, i'd never go to the footy again.

Sensational Post Moi !!!!!! 

it's an emotional roller-coaster following the Tiges 

Thanks for the perspective - I for one needed it 

[Moi]

it's an emotional roller-coaster following the Tiges 

Thanks for the perspective - I for one needed it 

It ain't fun following them, but it will be oh so rewarding when we finally do come good.  And there are no more supporters in this league that deserve success more than we do.  I went over to Bigfooty and the usual taunts were being made about us being turncoats.  They mistake passion for treachery.  With the exception of a few    that just ain't the case 

[julzqld]

How many times do guys like Richo and shulz get spoiled and there is no-one in coee of them to crumb, we have the players to do this so where are they.

Ding ding ding - give CUB a prize - I am been saying this for yonks - WHERE ARE THE ROVERS? 

Yes even a footy bimbo like me can seen that.

Let's face it - Collingwood played better than us.  Credit to them.  Now get over it and stop behaving like a pack of bad tempered 7 year olds.  Sheesh - I thought I'd left this all behind when my son finished touch footy last year.   Some of you lot are carrying on just like he did when his team lost.  Talk about a bunch of bad sports!!!!

[mightytiges]

Where do we need to improve, where do you start ?

Very briefing, I will have a shot.

1/game plan stinks. Continually go wide and dont use the corridor.

Answered this in another thread. Too safe. Too much self-preservation. Too dumb. Lack of faith in your teammates to win a contest if we go longer and more direct.

2/need a proper captain who is a leader, big mistake in what has happened in that area.

Name one consistent matchwinner above 21 years old on our list? Agree it's a major issue Jack but we're really in a holding pattern until it gets handed over to the younger generation.

3/ Forward structure is a disgrace.  Schultz should never be going for the same ball as Richo. It Schultz brain dead.?  Time and time again they both went for the same ball. Schultz should be running in the oppposite direction and to suck his man out of the contest, instead poor Richo has the third man up against him all the time. This is real basic stuff and they cant get it right. ALL FORWARDS NEED TO SPREAD.

Agree our forwards need to spread but Richo isn't any less guilty of that than the others. The decision making from our onballers and their u-turn movement of the footy except for Lids, Tambo and Foley make it tough for the forwards to find space.

4/ Please someone get Richo and get him back into his kicking routine, last night was a disgrace. If we have skills coaches, they must be currently on annual leave.

He's 32/33 years old. It's too late. LOL @ the last goal he kicked where starting from a set shot he ran to his left to open up the goal face then back to his right to snag one. Richo makes the difficult look easy and the easy mindboggling lol.

5/ Polak. Plays the game like Jane. Had one kick for the entire game last nite.  Gee we were only playing Collingwood

True but it was our arguably our cleverest kick for the night lol  . Why wasn't Polly used in the ruck instead of Patto or switched earlier onto Rocca in the 3rd. Polak spent all summer on Richo in intra-club scratch matches yet he hasn't played as KP defender once yet  ???.

6/ Tivendale, he is actually playing ok  but the message that should be given to him is to play in the 50 metre square and dont go chasing kicks around the boundary.
As a team we need to be ""straightened up"" and therfore you need to play your ball carriers down the middle, not runing around the boundary line all game.( ala Marc Murphy from carlton doesnt chase kicks wide)

Playing too safe again.

7/ If the game is slipping away, make moves that are unpredictable.
Last night early in the third quarter, Bowden should of been pushed forward- Schultz on Roccs or something like that ?

Don't start me on this one  . We were outplayed. As simple as that.

We have no player depth, our recruits arent up to it( Now where is Kent K ?) and we are poorly coached I what I have seen so far this year.

People underestimate how decimated our list was by the end of 2004. Mind you Wallace had a shocker as much as most of the players and there was no excuse for last night.

We are currently headed in the wrong direction, if you think different, thats fine by me, everyone is entitled to there opinion although you wont be finding much enjoyment in the sport that you love

It can be turned around pretty quickly (within 1-2 years) though if the club admits they've made mistakes especially in the past 6 months (training and gameplan especially). Essendon were doing the exact same thing we're doing now last year. As coach you need to be adaptable and change things up. The sad thing is we may need to wait until the end of the season before rectifying them. Will Wallace adapt or do a Spud?

[Bulluss]

A lot of people have commented about Richo should be getting out of Sarge's way.

Maybe he should, but when Richo is leading straight up the ground and is about the take an easy chest mark.
 
The last thing he needs is Sarge barrelling into him.

I agree that Sarge is a great kick for goal and seems to settling in ok.

Maybe he should be our main FF and Richo playing up much higher from around 40m and playing up to the wing. As we all know he can actually deliver the ball inside 50 well, its only when he sees the white sticks that he freezes up.

I know that some people bag Kingsley but if we can get Brown and Kingsley back in the team, it gives up much more options up forward.

The only thing we need to do then is develop some sort of plan so that become less predictable and much more potent up forward. With Richo, Brown, Sarge and KK up forward they are all capable of kicking a bag on their day.

[LondonTiger]

Totally agree with Jack and Bull in regards to the forward line.

We have always been too predictable one out with Richo, but some of the forward attacking roles yesterday were woeful.

Our game plan (especially into the forward line) is too predictable, and we have to change it.

We have the cattle.  Richo one out 40m to 90m out of goal, with Petts (if he gets his head right again) and someone of the ilk of Bowden (either) or Meyer on the other forward stuff.  Maybe even Kane Johnson, who was easily in our top three players against Collingwood imo.

Full forward line of Schultz, Brown and Krak roving.  Throw Kingsley in as a bit player, and we can change the play with a tall forward line, or even switch to a one out role, with say Brown on his own in the 30m arch.

In regards to the midfield, we also have a decent engine room, but I am wanting Lids, Polo, Edwards, on the ball with Tambling and Raines on the wings.

I would drop Tuck after the effort against Collingwood.  Too many errors. Tuck can get better with a spell in the magoos.  Tivendale is having a decent year.  Yes, i know he makes some bad mistakes, but he does straighten up our flow from the centre to forward line. 

Gaspar is on borrowed time, but until Thursfield is back and fit (and does prove himself), he is still a very serviceable backman.  Newman unfortunately is a required back line player, but I would suggest playing him rotating with Lids on the ball. 

We will bounce back.  We are not a bottom four side.

[Ramps]

For the betterment of our football club going forward playing wise we'd be better of finishing last.

[Moi]

For the betterment of our football club going forward playing wise we'd be better of finishing last.

Don't think ppl would like to hear that just yet, but they're the sad facts of how other teams have improved 
But as a thought.... Judd, Judd, Judd!!!!
Wishful thinking lol

[Mopsy]

A lot of people have commented about Richo should be getting out of Sarge's way.

Maybe he should, but when Richo is leading straight up the ground and is about the take an easy chest mark.
 
The last thing he needs is Sarge barrelling into him.

I agree that Sarge is a great kick for goal and seems to settling in ok.

Maybe he should be our main FF and Richo playing up much higher from around 40m and playing up to the wing. As we all know he can actually deliver the ball inside 50 well, its only when he sees the white sticks that he freezes up.

I know that some people bag Kingsley but if we can get Brown and Kingsley back in the team, it gives up much more options up forward.

The only thing we need to do then is develop some sort of plan so that become less predictable and much more potent up forward. With Richo, Brown, Sarge and KK up forward they are all capable of kicking a bag on their day.

It's no good Richo taking any sort of a mark if he CAN'T KICK STRAIGHT
Put him further up field out of the way.
Maybe then the onballers will have a running shot instead of " KICKING IT TO RICHO'
As for Kingsley & Brown the are as yet unavailable and a quick fix is needed

[Ramps]

The only way for us to improve and add depth is to finish last get the first pick get a 2nd round priority and 2nd round pick and have 3 picks inside 20. If Danny Meyer and Cleve Hughes cant lift and its apparent they want to go home package them up for a pick to either Adelaide or Port although Im reticent to get rid of either coz both players would become very very good players in a good side. And if we do finish last, for the love of god instead of wasting a 1st pick in the psd - use it properly this time and get a star. We wasted this last time and no Im not talking about Judd which I see as an impossibility but theres quite afew other very very big name players out of contract at the moment and are likely to be so at the end of the year.

[Gordon Bennett]

The only way for us to improve and add depth is to finish last get the first pick get a 2nd round priority and 2nd round pick and have 3 picks inside 20.

Simply not true.

[Fishfinger]

And if we do finish last, for the love of god instead of wasting a 1st pick in the psd - use it properly this time and get a star. We wasted this last time ............

2004 Pre-season Draft

1. Rich - Knobel
2. Coll - Caracella
3. Carl - Betts
4. Roos - Picioane
5. Freo - Schofield
6. Ess - Zantuck
7. Port - Ware
8. Rich - Pass
That's it! There aint no more.

I'll take some convincing we wasted our pick.  ???

We needed a ruckman. It was out of Knobel or McKee. They both came cheaply.

Caracella (the only available player who remotely resembled a star) left Brisbane because they couldn't fit him in their salary cap. We couldn't even afford a 2nd player in the Rookie Draft, let alone a 2nd in the PSD or being able to pay Caracella's salary.

Blumfield, McKee and Porter were the only other then current players available and all missed out.

[mightytiges]

The PSD has been ordinary the past few years. Good players rarely change clubs now and if they do it's during trade week. You're better off keeping a vet included inside your senior list and pick up another rookie instead. Cheaper option and just as likely to find a hidden diamond who just needed time to develop and mature.

[mjs]

The PSD has been ordinary the past few years. Good players rarely change clubs now and if they do it's during trade week. You're better off keeping a vet included inside your senior list and pick up another rookie instead. Cheaper option and just as likely to find a hidden diamond who just needed time to develop and mature.

2004 wasn't too shabby - Nick Stevens -

[Ramps]

Good clubs can get outcomes if you finish last and cant get a player over the line it doesnt say much for any club imho.