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I'm the one they have to beat (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #885 on: July 04, 2009, 05:11:35 AM »
I'm the one they have to beat
Nick Smart and Marco Monteverde | July 04, 2009

"IT is going to have to be someone to beat me."

That was the claim from Kevin Sheedy yesterday as the Richmond favourite son ramped up his bid to take over at Punt Rd.

Two days after the former Essendon mentor declared his hand, Sheedy re-stated his credentials during a visit to the Gold Coast, where the Tigers are playing tonight.

"I have been to 10 Grand Finals and averaged 14 wins a year for 27 years, so it is going to have to be someone good to beat me," Sheedy said yesterday.

"All I am saying is you have to consider people that have a successful application. If the performances are there, then others have to catch you."

Sheedy backed his old club in sticking to a rigorous selection process.

"For the club to go through the right process and interview the best people around is the best procedure," he said.

"What I've really said is if they weren't happy with the people that might put their hand up, at least they know I'm here and available.

"I'd hate to think that I said to all Tigers fans that I never made myself available. That would be the wrong thing to do."

Sheedy called on caretaker coach Jade Rawlings to play kids for the rest of the season.

"They are not going to make the eight now obviously, so you have to find out where the list is," he said.

"That is what we did (at Essendon) in 2006 and look at the Essendon list now -- they are looking pretty exciting."

Sheedy, 61, spoke to GC17 players yesterday and last night attended a Richmond function on the Gold Coast.

He was due to travel back to Melbourne for Essendon's 1984-85 premiership reunion function at Crown tonight.

Tiger greats led by Kevin Bartlett have backed Sheedy for the top job.

However, Rawlings would not be drawn on the Sheedy push.

"With the process the club's going through, there are many people that are going to put their hands up for it," Rawlings said.

"Some will be driven through the media, and some will be through the application process. The best person will get the job."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25730247-19742,00.html

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Sheedy talk not distracting Rawlings (Age)
« Reply #886 on: July 04, 2009, 05:26:19 AM »
Sheedy talk not distracting Rawlings
July 3, 2009 - 5:58PM

The hysteria whipped up by Kevin Sheedy's decision to vie for the Richmond job has not distracted incumbent coach Jade Rawlings.

It seems he's got enough to worry about right now.

Like trying to ensure his rebuilding side does not suffer any more mental scars from a daunting AFL clash with in-form Adelaide at the Gold Coast on Saturday night.

The Crows are flying high with five straight wins and have made it clear they will not be on the tourist strip for a holiday, with coach Neil Craig dismissing any thought of complacency on Friday.

It's hardly music to the ears of Rawlings as he works hard to motivate a team still smarting from last round's 56 point thumping by St Kilda - a game in which they went scoreless for 77 minutes.

Yet Rawlings has probably picked the best time to fly to the Gold Coast after Sheedy-mania broke out in Melbourne.

The former Essendon premiership coach has put his hand up for the Tigers gig after a campaign started by fellow Richmond legend Kevin Bartlett.

But Rawlings said on the Gold Coast on Friday: "There's going to be that speculation.

"Many people are going to be putting their hands up for it.

"Some will be driven through the media, some through the application process.

"The club will stick to their process - the best person will get the job."

Asked what the club said to him about retaining the reins next season, Rawlings said: "Nothing".

If Rawlings was thrown by all the speculation, he wasn't showing it on Friday.

"Not really. This industry is perception based," he said.

"A lot of stories can be built up through the media.

"Others use the media as forums to put themselves out there.

"I don't get distracted by that, the players don't.

"If it continues for the rest of the year with certain names being put up, maybe it might do but I haven't been affected by it."

Things were so much different the last time Richmond were on the Gold Coast for a 2009 pre-season game.

They comfortably beat the Brisbane Lions and then-coach Terry Wallace looked relaxed and was all smiles.

"Certainly a lot has happened since then," Rawlings laughed.

"But I have certainly enjoyed my role.

"We had two weeks to hang off the joys of winning a game of league footy (against West Coast in his first game as coach) but back to reality with the loss against St Kilda.

"I think we are in better shape to deal with that (Saints) type of pressure if it comes up again."

Asked what were the lessons learned from the Saints game, Rawlings laughed: "You can't afford not to score in two quarters."

The Crows showdown marks the first time Richmond have played a regular season game on the tourist strip since 1991.

They have a lousy record against Adelaide, winning just one of their last 13 games.

http://news.realfooty.com.au/breaking-news-sport/sheedy-talk-not-distracting-rawlings-20090703-d7od.html

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Why the Tigers must turn to Sheedy: Patrick Smith (Australian)
« Reply #887 on: July 04, 2009, 05:30:40 AM »
Why the Tigers must turn to Sheedy
Patrick Smith | July 04, 2009 

THE Richmond Football Club - both board and administration - has been forced to grow up quickly.

Become wise overnight. Learn to balance the fuzzy emotion of sport against the chill of logic. Very few find the balance. Football, in particular, is overrun by cheerleaders.

Think of North Melbourne. It was faced with a decision to move to the Gold Coast, receive as much as $100million in AFL funding and have its long-term future secured. The alternative was to remain at Arden St in suburban Melbourne and fight day-to-day for every breath.

North stayed put. Now coach Dean Laidley has gone mid-season and the club officials have done nothing but bleat that times are tough. The quality of debate about North's very future was that of simpletons. Those who could shout the loudest won the day. There was no proper analysis of the options available. What was a critical financial decision that would ultimately determine North's place in the AFL's future, was reduced to an equation where the heart alone did the calculating.

Richmond president Gary March inherited coach Terry Wallace at Punt Rd. Wallace is gone all but a season before his time. The new president and the coach never marched arm-in-arm in battle, both men appeared unclear about each other's motives.

As Team Wallace began to unravel after three years of a five-year contract, March appointed Craig Cameron, a recruiting officer, to the decisive position of general manager of football. Cameron was not so much wet behind the ears but a walking swamp. Suddenly an inexperienced football manager and a naive president were faced with two decisions of such consequence that some club administrators might not face their like in a lifetime.

First came Ben Cousins, a recovering drug addict who had won both a Brownlow Medal and a premiership with West Coast. As Cousins waited out his 12-month suspension - applied by the code's commissioners for bringing the game into disrepute - every AFL club thought about drafting Cousins for this season but ultimately declined to add the champion midfielder to their list.

Wallace, March and Cameron were all on the public record saying the club would not select Cousins. Like all AFL clubs, the Tigers considered the intelligence gleaned about Cousins and opted not to pick him. And so they did just the opposite. Cousins became a Tiger with the last pick available in the pre-season draft.

It was a window into a club that had no meaningful strategy or resonant philosophy. No vision. Any culture of success or self-belief that drove the premiership years between 1967 to 1980 had evaporated. All lost in myriad poor decisions, delivered with a twitch and without thought and lashings of self-indulgence.

The decision that brought Cousins to Richmond killed off season 2009. Financially, it was successful. Cousins drew an extra $1m to the club through membership and attendance. But the weight of expectation proved too much for a club that shook in the gentlest of winds. In round one against Carlton the football team crumpled on national television and in front of 86,972 fans at the MCG.

Immediately Wallace's future at the club was questioned and a season disabled. A fourth-round loss to the previously incompetent Melbourne confirmed that Richmond was an AFL club in colours only. The players were at the brink of revolt. These were catastrophic times and Richmond urgently needed leadership, a sense of direction. The club was in danger of falling in on itself.

It was at this moment that March found his feet as a club president and Cameron his voice as a football executive. March stood up, Cameron spoke out. Wallace was gently guided to an early grave by round 11 and Jade Rawlings appointed to coach until the end of the season. A thorough process was drawn up to select a new coach for 2010. Ordered, precise and scrupulous.

Then along came Kevin Sheedy, former Richmond captain and best and fairest winner, premiership coach at Essendon and football legend. Richmond would face a second unprecedented decision that would determine its place in the AFL. All in the space of one season. No club's depth of wisdom had been so publicly examined and no club wishes that it might.

Immediately, the majority of the football community did the only thing it knows to do. Sheedy - 61, and his tenure at Essendon closed at the end of 2007 - was either too old and tired or the only man for the job. All passion and no clarity, the debate since Sheedy offered his services to Richmond this week has been passionate but superficial. To say that the game has passed Sheedy by is just a guess. To say that it has is damning criticism of Rodney Eade, Wallace and Neale Daniher, all younger coaches who could not match Sheedy in his last year at Essendon.

Sheedy is no ordinary coaching applicant. He took Essendon to 19 finals series and four premierships. He is a cherished offspring of Richmond where he won three premierships as a player. But while he has no divine right to the coaching position, what is not in dispute is his love of the Tigers or his ability to coach and nurture not just a team but a club. Significantly, he has the support of Kevin Bartlett, a football and Tiger legend.

Bartlett, a teammate of Sheedy's and prominent broadcaster since a four-year stint as Richmond coach, has never previously spoken out about the club. But this year his love of Richmond and his distress at seeing the Tigers' performance last week meant he had to act.

At the very least Bartlett has forced the club to take Sheedy seriously where it previously might not have. Cameron meets Sheedy tomorrow. This will shape the club's future, for not only must the club consider what Sheedy can do at the controls of the team but also what might happen without him. If Richmond fares no better with Sheedy occupied elsewhere, the decision not to anoint him will haunt March, Cameron and the club perhaps for eternity.

What is certain is that the time is not right for experimentation at Richmond. The man who takes over as coach cannot be given the indulgence of learning on the job. The stakes are too high, failure too costly.

What will work in Sheedy's favour is the state of the list. It is deplorable and needs at least three years of careful replenishing and teaching before it can make any meaningful push towards the top of the competition. Sheedy builds lists, even dynasties. Look at the raw material Matthew Knights has at his disposal at Essendon. That will take time.

Building pride in the club, restoring respect and rediscovering the roar of the Tiger can be done quickly and efficiently. That's what you get with a reinvigorated Sheedy, it is home delivered such is his stature in the game. Sheedy does not need to spruik. The name Sheedy alone shouts passion, respect and innovation. Sheedy is stuff for all of these things.

That said, he cannot be handed the job. Protocols have been established, a course set. But to argue from afar that Sheedy is too old is as illogical as saying he needs no critical assessment. March and Cameron have arrived at Richmond at one of the most vulnerable moments in the club's rich story. They have grown impressively as administrators this year. What they decide over the next few months will define their place in football history. Right now Tigerland is no place for pussy.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25729749-12270,00.html

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Re: Why the Tigers must turn to Sheedy: Patrick Smith (Australian)
« Reply #888 on: July 04, 2009, 07:37:36 AM »

A reasonable article until the last line.


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Re: Why the Tigers must turn to Sheedy: Patrick Smith (Australian)
« Reply #889 on: July 04, 2009, 07:59:14 AM »

A reasonable article until the last line.



You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett.  Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.

They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.
It's that simple Spud
"I discussed (it) with my three daughters, my wife and my 82-year-old mum, because it has really affected me … If those comments … were made about one of my daughters, it would make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I would not have liked it at all.”

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Re: Why the Tigers must turn to Sheedy: Patrick Smith (Australian)
« Reply #890 on: July 04, 2009, 08:24:51 AM »

A reasonable article until the last line.



You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett.  Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.

They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.

bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.

The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.

In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)

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Re: KB wants Sheeds as coach
« Reply #891 on: July 04, 2009, 08:32:23 AM »
Always interesting to find ot the sentiment on this site, as i do think its only the hard line richmond supporter's that post. I can't think of a problem with Sheedy taking over as coach next year. He would not take the job if he didnt think we could be succesful in the next five years and at this point i'll take that. 2 years out of the game and has got the passion back & he loves the club as much as any one. I think a combination of Sheedy and Hardwick/Brad Scott type in an assistant role would bring the best of both worlds.


gee that is a big assumption.

and it is wrong

Sheedy is a senile old bastard that is taking his last opportunity to milk this club, just like he did come contract time over the last 27 years.



Senile ? Not a bad sort of senile then considering the list he has left at essendon.
You better get used to sheeds back at punt Rd Blaisee :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers

we should string sheeds along the same way he strung us along for 27 years. We owe him no favours...none

The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.

We need people that put the club first and themselves second, unfortunately KB and Sheeds both, do not qualify.

If he wants the job he should go through the process of interviews just like anyone else, in this process it will become clear that he is finished and a BETTER more CONTEMPORARY applicanmt will be appointed, that is my expectation.

If he really wants the job Sheeds should give it his best shot, unfortunately for him and the past players association, I doubt he still has the ability to get the job done, the board know this and have to deal with it in a professional matter, and then rule it out !!!!

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Re: KB wants Sheeds as coach
« Reply #892 on: July 04, 2009, 09:43:27 AM »
The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.

Not to mention mounting his campaign via his online propaganda merchant  ;)
Sheedy is a bigger snake oil salesman that you know who.
Shifty Sheeds, no words were truer of this bloke   :banghead

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Re: Why the Tigers must turn to Sheedy: Patrick Smith (Australian)
« Reply #893 on: July 04, 2009, 09:54:47 AM »

A reasonable article until the last line.



You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett.  Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.

They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.

bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.

The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.

In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)

Sheeds as director of coaching handling the Media with Cambo doing the match day coaching.

Sheeds on the bench motivating the troops and Cambo in the box.

Gives us three years to evaluate Cambo and gives Cambo three years to learn the trade.

I say we have no choice but to do this.

If Cambo comes good we have started another coaching dynasty and set us up for long term success with a Richmond man at the helm.

 :cheers

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Re: Why the Tigers must turn to Sheedy: Patrick Smith (Australian)
« Reply #894 on: July 04, 2009, 10:06:58 AM »
To say that the game has passed Sheedy by is just a guess.

Apart from stuff being a Bartlett sycophant and fellow broadcaster  ::) I'll ignore the rest of his propaganda and just concentrate on this sentence.

stuff, we cannot afford to make guesses with this bloke.  This is not an appointment Richmond can stuff up. If there's any chance the game has passed him by, we cannot take that chance.

Basically Patrick, we have to take all the romance of the situation out of it.  Everyone knows at the club - or should know if they've been around footy for a while -that you will hound the club if they get it wrong, Sheedy or not.  So it's a decision not to be treated frivolously, just because a couple of coterie groups and former players want him.

Proper process, stuff, proper process.  It's an insult to the other candidates as well not to do that.  We'd never get anyone applying for jobs in the future if proper process wasn't followed.

If we take the right route, Sheedy may be your man.  If you have so much confidence in his abilities, those abilities will stand him head and shoulders above all the others.  And if he doesn't come up to scratch, then he is not for us is he?


At the very least Bartlett has forced the club to take Sheedy seriously where it previously might not have. Cameron meets Sheedy tomorrow. This will shape the club's future, for not only must the club consider what Sheedy can do at the controls of the team but also what might happen without him. If Richmond fares no better with Sheedy occupied elsewhere, the decision not to anoint him will haunt March, Cameron and the club perhaps for eternity.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25729749-12270,00.html
Precisely what I said on another thread, because Bartlett has opened his fat trap about this, the club will be damned if they appoint Sheeds and damned if they don't.  Everyone knows that if Sheedy is appointed, the club will be criticised for taking him based on emotion, or we didn't follow due process and picked the best candidate, or whatever.  They'll damn us either way  :banghead

I wish Bartlett had just shut up and let the club make the decisions.  

He bragged on radio yesterday that while he was away from the club he never sat back and undermined it or played politics.  No, I don't believe he did.  So why start meddling now? Have some confidence in the people who have the job to select the coach.

If Sheeds is appointed, there will always be this cloud over the reasons he was appointed IMO because of this, ie were the club pressured into making the appointment if he is chosen.


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Re: Why the Tigers must turn to Sheedy: Patrick Smith (Australian)
« Reply #895 on: July 04, 2009, 10:10:29 AM »

A reasonable article until the last line.



You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett.  Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.

They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.

bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.

The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.

In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)

Sheeds as director of coaching handling the Media with Cambo doing the match day coaching.

Sheeds on the bench motivating the troops and Cambo in the box.

Gives us three years to evaluate Cambo and gives Cambo three years to learn the trade.

I say we have no choice but to do this.

If Cambo comes good we have started another coaching dynasty and set us up for long term success with a Richmond man at the helm.

 :cheers
Everyone's arguing for Sheeds becuase of his experience, but you put forward a name who has none.  Campbell should go and get some experience and then apply. 
Plenty of just as worthy footballers have bothered to do that  ::)
But no, there are people saying we have to have Richmond people.
This club is an absolute joke  :banghead

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Re: Why the Tigers must turn to Sheedy: Patrick Smith (Australian)
« Reply #896 on: July 04, 2009, 10:26:44 AM »

A reasonable article until the last line.



You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett.  Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.

They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.

bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.

The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.

In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)

Sheeds as director of coaching handling the Media with Cambo doing the match day coaching.

Sheeds on the bench motivating the troops and Cambo in the box.

Gives us three years to evaluate Cambo and gives Cambo three years to learn the trade.

I say we have no choice but to do this.

If Cambo comes good we have started another coaching dynasty and set us up for long term success with a Richmond man at the helm.

 :cheers
Everyone's arguing for Sheeds becuase of his experience, but you put forward a name who has none.  Campbell should go and get some experience and then apply. 
Plenty of just as worthy footballers have bothered to do that  ::)
But no, there are people saying we have to have Richmond people.
This club is an absolute joke  :banghead

You're as bad as OX with your insults.

You just sugar coat them.

I think I'd prefer OX's foul mouth at least you know exactly what he thinks.

 :wallywink

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Re: KB wants Sheeds as coach
« Reply #897 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:25 AM »
The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.

Not to mention mounting his campaign via his online propaganda merchant  ;)
Sheedy is a bigger snake oil salesman that you know who.
Shifty Sheeds, no words were truer of this bloke   :banghead

that comment is the biggest lkoad of poo i have ever read.

i would NEVER be putting sheeds and wallace in the same breath. Sheeds has done more for the game than Wallace could ever dream of.

boys and agirls you better get used to it.

SHEEDS WILL BE OUR NEXT COACH.
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Re: KB wants Sheeds as coach
« Reply #898 on: July 04, 2009, 10:28:35 AM »
The fact that he has mounted a public campaign through the media, with KB, KB! KB? KB the bloke that turned his back on the RFC for the last 20 years. Its a disgrace, and is a real insight in the challenges the RFC has had to endure over the last 10 years.

Not to mention mounting his campaign via his online propaganda merchant  ;)
Sheedy is a bigger snake oil salesman that you know who.
Shifty Sheeds, no words were truer of this bloke   :banghead

that comment is the biggest lkoad of poo i have ever read.

i would NEVER be putting sheeds and wallace in the same breath. Sheeds has done more for the game than Wallace could ever dream of.

boys and agirls you better get used to it.

SHEEDS WILL BE OUR NEXT COACH.

OMFG I think I agree with the little girl.

 :outtahere

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Re: Why the Tigers must turn to Sheedy: Patrick Smith (Australian)
« Reply #899 on: July 04, 2009, 10:33:38 AM »

A reasonable article until the last line.



You reckon?
The club has been wronged by Sheedy and Bartlett.  Both could've achieved the same outcome behind closed doors.

They have put unnecessary pressure on the club. They are both selfish and self serving.

bartlett and sheeds have a history of putting themselves above the club, this is just another example to add to a long list.

The club will hopefully come out soon and make a public statment saying that all apllicants will have to go through the same process. I expect sheedy to then decline the offer and make up an excuse.

In the meantime we should leave no stone unturned, the list of applicants is very impressive indeed ;)

Sheeds as director of coaching handling the Media with Cambo doing the match day coaching.

Sheeds on the bench motivating the troops and Cambo in the box.

Gives us three years to evaluate Cambo and gives Cambo three years to learn the trade.

I say we have no choice but to do this.

If Cambo comes good we have started another coaching dynasty and set us up for long term success with a Richmond man at the helm.

 :cheers
Everyone's arguing for Sheeds becuase of his experience, but you put forward a name who has none.  Campbell should go and get some experience and then apply. 
Plenty of just as worthy footballers have bothered to do that  ::)
But no, there are people saying we have to have Richmond people.
This club is an absolute joke  :banghead

You're as bad as OX with your insults.

You just sugar coat them.

I think I'd prefer OX's foul mouth at least you know exactly what he thinks.

 :wallywink
Well, I was telling you what I think  :lol
And who cares who you prefer  :wallywink