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Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« on: November 15, 2007, 05:06:33 AM »
Draft day is a giant gamble
15 November 2007   Herald Sun
Mark Robinson

AFL talent manager Kevin Sheehan says clubs get the Top 10 selections about 75 per cent right.

By that, he means a tick over seven out of 10 players go on to have significant careers.

Significant yes. Great no.

When it comes to greatness, the misses outweigh the hits by a fair margin.

Indeed, national draft day is overhyped on hope. It is sold as the saviour of struggling football clubs when, in examination, it has been largely hit and hope and we'll see what happens in couple of years.

Millions of dollars are spent and thousands of hours worked as 16 club recruiters and their helpers search for the next James Hird, Simon Black and Ryan O'Keefe.

Despite greater expenditure and professionalism, in the form of talent identification, psyche and physical testing, draft day science remains more luck than good management.

They find good players, but do they nail the best with the prized selections? Seldom.

Indeed, it justifies the AFL argument that priority selections and high draft picks don't guarantee a superstar player.

The past three drafts have improved markedly in identifying the best talent, but gems wait outside the Top 10, either by chance, recruiter instinct, genes and the increasingly prosperous rookie draft.

Every draft day is the same.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou gives 16 club recruiters two hours in the sun and expectation abounds.

Player 2561: Betterbe Good. Sandringham Dragons.

Player 4382: Fastblack Fella. Peel Thunder.

Player 1234: Big White Man Who Hasn't Played Before But We Hope We Can Develop Him. Outback Queensland.

In a Herald Sun exercise, we have recast the Top 10s over the past decade, and only one, St Kilda's Nick Riewoldt, keeps his No. 1 mantle.

And that was only just. A little, cheeky bloke named Daniel Kerr, who was taken at No. 18, and sits comfortably at No. 2 in a revised 2000 draft.

The new No. 1s are standout footballers: Brett Kirk (rookie), Simon Black (31), Lenny Hayes (11), Jonathan Brown (father-son), Chris Judd (3), Hamish McIntosh (9), Sam Fisher (55), Lance Franklin (5) and Scott Pendlebury (5).

Some players have dropped considerably under the rejig. Josh Fraser, Travis Johnstone, Des Headland and Michael Gardiner are out of their year's Top 10. That's not to say they can't play, it's simply that others have had greater impact.

Sheehan says recruiters are improving their delivery on draft day.

"There's no doubt they are getting better," he said.

"It's been 21 years since it started and from 1996 it's been less compromised than what what is was before."

Draft history makes you laugh and cry.

There's been some forgettable Top 10 draftees, through lack of talent, injury or for personal reasons.

It started in 1996 with Mark Kinnear (4), Daniel McAllister (5), John Rombotis (6), Bowen Lockwood (7), Leigh Brockman (8) and Mark Harwood (9) -- a year hit by Port having access to the best South Australians prior to the draft including Warren Tredrea, Peter Burgoyne and Brendan Lade.

There was Murray Vance (No. 6, '98), Danny Roach (No. 7, '99), Caydn Beetham (No. 9, '99), Luke Molan (No. 9, '01) and Tim Walsh (No. 4, '02). And in 2000, Luke Livingston (No. 4), Dylan Smith (No. 6), Laurence Angwin (No. 7) all failed.

Then there's those that lived up to their Top 10 billing: Brendon Goddard, Daniel Wells, Brock McLean, Jordan Lewis, Luke Power, Josh Carr, Jude Bolton, Joel Corey and Alan Didak.

Others in the Top 10 that should have been higher include Chad Cornes, Nathan Brown, Jimmy Bartel, Hamish McIntosh, Lance Franklin and Scott Pendlebury.

The doosies are the lower draft picks who rocket into Top 10. There's Simon Black (31) and Adam Goodes (43), Byron Pickett (67), Ryan O'Keefe (56), Daniel Cross (56), Sam Mitchell (36), Nick Malceski (64) and Matthew Egan (62).

And then there's rookie draft.

Nathan Foley, Ben Rutten, Nick Maxwell, Danyle Pearce, Brett Kirk, Aaron Davey, Tagdh Kennelly, Dean Cox, Nathan Bassett, Mal Michael and James McDonald have all made the top shelf after being overlooked by every club on national draft day.

Sheehan, similar to every recruiter, highly values the rookie draft.

"Twenty every year is the average, 20 get upgraded and you'll see how many stars are in that 20," he said.

He cited Adelaide's Ben Rutten, who was captain of the SA under-18 team, suffered an knee injury, and was overlooked by everyone, as the ultimate example.

Sheehan says clubs now fully review their selections.

"They are trying to identify why. Is it something obvious they missed, was it bad luck with injury, was it the wrong personality type, what was it that had that guy wherever they chose him fail and why did that No.62 end up a star player. They are doing a lot more analysis."

NOTE: The above lists were compiled using something recruiters don't have access to -- hindsight.

http://heraldsun.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22760822%255E20322,00.html

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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2007, 12:25:47 PM »
Here's the 2004 one:

2004 Actual Draft
1. Deledio
2. Roughead
3. Griffen
4. Tambling
5. Franklin
6. Williams
7. Lewis
8. Meesen
9. Russell
10. Egan

Robbos 2004 Draft
1. Franklin (5)
2. Cloke (fs)
3. Egan (62)
4. Foley (r)
5. Lewis (7)
6. Deledio (1)
7. Pearce (r)
8. Griffen (3)
9. Roughead (2)
10. Morris (r)

What has Roughead done to stay in the top 10 ahead of Thursty, Nathan Ablett, Jesse Smith, Matt Rosa, Chris Knights?! He was playing VFL early on this year ::).
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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2007, 01:51:46 PM »

What has Roughead done to stay in the top 10 ahead of Thursty, Nathan Ablett, Jesse Smith, Matt Rosa, Chris Knights?! He was playing VFL early on this year ::).

I think Egan is a little too high in his top ten.

Going back to the 2001 draft, they still chop and change. Would Ablett, Hodge or Bartel have been that high in Robbo's Rejig this time last year?

Next year Tambling could rocket into the top 5, Griffen gets his form back, Polo has a brilliant year and  :pray Danny Meyer has a blinder and the top ten completely changes again.

I guess Roughead is only in the top ten at this stage because of the slower development of others.
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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2007, 01:57:25 PM »
Here's the 2004 one:

2004 Actual Draft
1. Deledio
2. Roughead
3. Griffen
4. Tambling
5. Franklin
6. Williams
7. Lewis
8. Meesen
9. Russell
10. Egan

Robbos 2004 Draft
1. Franklin (5)
2. Cloke (fs)
3. Egan (62)
4. Foley (r)
5. Lewis (7)
6. Deledio (1)
7. Pearce (r)
8. Griffen (3)
9. Roughead (2)
10. Morris (r)

What has Roughead done to stay in the top 10 ahead of Thursty, Nathan Ablett, Jesse Smith, Matt Rosa, Chris Knights?! He was playing VFL early on this year ::).

Silly list. Love it when Journos just make things up.  ::)

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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2007, 04:45:10 PM »
buddy makes roughead look good.

on his own it aint that great but still a mile better than tambling.

he would barely make it into a top 20 in my book.

needs a lift and needs to work harder
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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2007, 06:56:30 PM »
Here's the 2004 one:

2004 Actual Draft
1. Deledio
2. Roughead
3. Griffen
4. Tambling
5. Franklin
6. Williams
7. Lewis
8. Meesen
9. Russell
10. Egan

Robbos 2004 Draft
1. Franklin (5)
2. Cloke (fs)
3. Egan (62)
4. Foley (r)
5. Lewis (7)
6. Deledio (1)
7. Pearce (r)
8. Griffen (3)
9. Roughead (2)
10. Morris (r)

What has Roughead done to stay in the top 10 ahead of Thursty, Nathan Ablett, Jesse Smith, Matt Rosa, Chris Knights?! He was playing VFL early on this year ::).

Silly list. Love it when Journos just make things up.  ::)

Gotta put some footy in the paper other than Ben Cousins and Roos on the Gold Coast. These things are just silly as players fortunes fluctuate from year to year much like the tennis rankings. The way I see it a star is a star. If Roger Federer gets injured and misses half the season and finishes at the end of the year at number 100 in the ATP race is he no better than the guy who finished in 99th spot who was ranked 468 twelve months earlier. Roughhead was in a reasonable side this year and he was a reasonable foil for Franklin once Hawthorn got on a good run. When things eased off for them he was not as effective but that's the problem with rankings such as these as others in your team can make you look good or not as bad as you are depending on whether you win or lose. Could we expect a similar one from Caro in The Age post draft having a subtle go at Marshmallow Man ?

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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2007, 10:57:27 PM »
A typical Mark Robinson article - states the obvious while showing he is full of hot air
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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2007, 11:39:08 PM »
With all the bagging we cop over the 2004 draft, if only in every draft did we end up with 2 Tigers in the best 6 in hindsight.
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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2007, 09:27:40 AM »
With all the bagging we cop over the 2004 draft, if only in every draft did we end up with 2 Tigers in the best 6 in hindsight.

thats true but unfortuantely the whole tambling vrs buddy debate will stick for years to come.
I dont care too much for buddy i just want tambling to lift and try harder. this has got to be his year..
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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2007, 11:00:42 AM »
Tambling I believe is a late bloomer and in the next year or two people start to see what he is really capable of.

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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2007, 12:09:28 PM »
Tambling I believe is a late bloomer and in the next year or two people start to see what he is really capable of.

I'm not too worried about Tambo to be honest. He will be a handy player no doubt.

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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 03:15:32 AM »
Buckley's hope with Clayton's choice
21 November 2007   Herald Sun
Mark Stevens

The graph, compiled by Champion Data draft expert Adrian Caruso, shows No. 1 is the safest pick in terms of games played (since 1997) despite the perception that other picks in the top five have provided more value.

Pick    Average games
1        100.4 
2         84.5
3         75.7
4         57.5
6         38.7
10       30.9
35        3.3     ("cursed pick")

Pick 38 has produced more games played than both No. 4 and No. 6.

In other findings:

FOURTEEN of the top 26 players taken in the 1997 national draft were traded to another club.

THE least successful pick in the top 20 has been 17. Only one player taken at No. 17 has played more than 25 games: Geelong's James Kelly (108).

PICK No. 43 has been a good bargain choice with Adam Goodes (1997), Lindsay Gilbee (1999), Mark Williams (2000) and Andrew Swallow (2005) all snared with the third-round choice.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22794522%255E19742,00.html

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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2007, 03:04:19 PM »
lol ...

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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2007, 07:29:52 PM »


THE least successful pick in the top 20 has been 17. Only one player taken at No. 17 has played more than 25 games: Geelong's James Kelly (108).

The only time pick 17 has been successful is the time we traded it away.  :banghead

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Re: Draft day is a giant gamble (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2007, 10:56:06 PM »
Chaffey was picked up with "cursed" pick 35. We got one right lol.

It says something that our earliest National Draft selection still with us is Petts (#9, 2000). No one over 25 years old  :P.

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