Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer

[torch]

lol ... seriously seriously people ...

who do we blame ???

i blame the players ...

full stop ...

[Ramps]

Our club needs to play these players till the end of the year in the hope that they may be worth something at the end of the year although that is unlikely.

RICHMOND NEEDS TO TANK!

RICHMOND NEEDS TO LOSE EVERY SINGLE GAME FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON!

RICHMOND NEEDS TO GET 3 TOP 20 PICKS.

Our future going forward depends on us doing this right. If we cant be disciplined enough to tank for 11 Weeks then we are dropkicks.

[Francois Jackson]

Our club needs to play these players till the end of the year in the hope that they may be worth something at the end of the year although that is unlikely.

RICHMOND NEEDS TO TANK!

RICHMOND NEEDS TO LOSE EVERY SINGLE GAME FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON!

RICHMOND NEEDS TO GET 3 TOP 20 PICKS.

Our future going forward depends on us doing this right. If we cant be disciplined enough to tank for 11 Weeks then we are dropkicks.

ramps u have been saying this all year and im starting to feel the same way, slowly slowly.

what do we gain from beating minnows melbourne, essendon and perhaps carlton if we r lucky?

nothing thats what. square one!!

if we cant beat a top 10 side then we should tank. we have so much to gain if we do..
like i said unless we dont beat at least 2 top sides this year this year has been a complete waste, especially if we finish mid table

[Darth Tiger]

In fairness to Hyde he did have a good May in run-with roles on similar body types to himself, the problem on Sunday is that he does not have the tools to go with a duel Brownlow Medallist with pace, height & flair. IMHO it was poor coaching to leave him on the spit as long as they did, because it was obvious that they did not have plan B, C or D.  The ? vs Goodes debate was an interesting thread which had no real solution, other than Hyde would not be the preferred match-up yet Wallace went with it for 2-1/2 quarters.

Hyde will probably be sacrificed this week, however he has never been an elite midfield run-with player and was playing his best footy as an aggressive running goalkicking runner off the HB line taking the 4th or 5th midfielder, something that Raines, Cotchin, Jackson, Polo, Morton etc are well capable of in preference to Petts & Bowden or MacMahon.

RFC should continue to play youth and play boldly rather than take "safe" selection options on guys that have not produced consistent match winning contributions in their 8 years + at the club..

[Judge Roughneck]

In fairness to Hyde he did have a good May in run-with roles on similar body types to himself, the problem on Sunday is that he does not have the tools to go with a duel Brownlow Medallist with pace, height & flair. IMHO it was poor coaching to leave him on the spit as long as they did, because it was obvious that they did not have plan B, C or D.  The ? vs Goodes debate was an interesting thread which had no real solution, other than Hyde would not be the preferred match-up yet Wallace went with it for 2-1/2 quarters.

Hyde will probably be sacrificed this week, however he has never been an elite midfield run-with player and was playing his best footy as an aggressive running goalkicking runner off the HB line taking the 4th or 5th midfielder, something that Raines, Cotchin, Jackson, Polo, Morton etc are well capable of in preference to Petts & Bowden or MacMahon.

RFC should continue to play youth and play boldly rather than take "safe" selection options on guys that have not produced consistent match winning contributions in their 8 years + at the club..

So what is Hydes role in the 22? A ok tagger, when he is tagging a small, not overly fast midfielder? Is that good enough from a mid20s player given our current state?

[Darth Tiger]

So what is Hydes role in the 22? A ok tagger, when he is tagging a small, not overly fast midfielder? Is that good enough from a mid20s player given our current state?

Good question - Does Wallace & Chocko as midfield coach know ?

Pinch hitter & leader at Coburg would be a prime option, but how many good trainers do you keep on the list ?  Hyde & Howat are 2 too many IMHO !!

IMHO, Hyde would be better qualifying for the VFL finals where he can make a more consistent contribution to RFC, but then again he might take votes from Tivva in the Liston.

[tigersalive]

In fairness to Hyde he did have a good May in run-with roles on similar body types to himself, the problem on Sunday is that he does not have the tools to go with a duel Brownlow Medallist with pace, height & flair. IMHO it was poor coaching to leave him on the spit as long as they did, because it was obvious that they did not have plan B, C or D.  The ? vs Goodes debate was an interesting thread which had no real solution, other than Hyde would not be the preferred match-up yet Wallace went with it for 2-1/2 quarters.

Hyde will probably be sacrificed this week, however he has never been an elite midfield run-with player and was playing his best footy as an aggressive running goalkicking runner off the HB line taking the 4th or 5th midfielder, something that Raines, Cotchin, Jackson, Polo, Morton etc are well capable of in preference to Petts & Bowden or MacMahon.

RFC should continue to play youth and play boldly rather than take "safe" selection options on guys that have not produced consistent match winning contributions in their 8 years + at the club..

Uh fair enough Hyde got owned by Goodes but he also got barely any of the ball himself.

He's been crap for three weeks straight after 2 good weeks.


Its time to go.

[Stripes]

Hyde and Petts needs to return to Coburg. They add no additional value to the team or structure. Other younger players can fill there roles and develop in confidence and ability with consistent experience. Players such as Polo, Jackson, Collins and Connors should be given time in this role over Hyde and Morton should take Petts role. That is a given.

Bowden is not fast, skilful or tall enough to successfully play as a half-forward/forward pocket. I hope Collard gains enough fitness and discipline to slot into this role eventually but until then we need Polak and Hughes filling this role. If neither work out here then move Polak to the backline and move Schulz forward. He would be better in our F50 now that he would not have to compete with the big Richo.

Tucky is filling a hole at the moment and will remain in his current role until we have someone with the size and strength to replace him. With Johnsons injury that will more than likely be quite some time yet.

I am all for have experience and size around the ground to support our developing youth but when the older players are being outplayed by our youth and offer little in the way of leadership - we need to make the tough call and prepare for our future.

Stripes

[blaisee]

Shultz played his best game for the club on Sunday

He worked hard for four quarters, and was rewarded with a goal at the end

He has improved a heap this year.

Some posters need to take of the blinkers and form opinions on observations as opposed to long held biases.

[Tigermonk]

l knocked Shultz last year & this year early saying his a good VFL player but not a AFL player
he has lifted his work rate this year & is performing better than others give credit
l gave him credit this weekend l seen half the game  & was stunned when Wallace benched him at one stage if the game
l think Shultz & many other players problems stem from not being coached properly & not knowing where they are going to play on gameday & get shuffled around all too often

l seriously beleive & l say this till they go is Wallace, Royal, Rawling, King, are not the ones to coach Richmond

[Francois Jackson]

Shultz played his best game for the club on Sunday

He worked hard for four quarters, and was rewarded with a goal at the end

He has improved a heap this year.

Some posters need to take of the blinkers and form opinions on observations as opposed to long held biases.

no your credit credit where credit is due. he has not been one of our worst by any means.

against the swans i thought he, newy and lids were our best 3.

we have bigger problems at the minute than him, thats for sure

[Hellenic Tiger]

Our club needs to play these players till the end of the year in the hope that they may be worth something at the end of the year although that is unlikely.

RICHMOND NEEDS TO TANK!

RICHMOND NEEDS TO LOSE EVERY SINGLE GAME FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON!

RICHMOND NEEDS TO GET 3 TOP 20 PICKS.

Our future going forward depends on us doing this right. If we cant be disciplined enough to tank for 11 Weeks then we are dropkicks.

Starting to agree.
Have beaten Carlton 11th Essendon 14th Freo 15th. Big deal in this years comp.
Carlton only are 1 win ahead of us as they have beaten Freo and Coll and lost to Essendon when everyone in footyland except this forum thought they were a top 4 team.
Just not up to it. Some good signs there for us but need to add depth to our list and early draft picks to ensure success in 3 to 4 years time otherwise we will go full circle under the tenure of Terry and the incumbent coach will inherit a list not as bad as what Spud left it but one that at best would be middle of road and will never ever bring home the ultimate glory.

[mightytiges]

It's hard to see us losing every game when we have games against Melb x2, Ess, Freo as well as Carl and WC to come.

[richmondrules]

It's hard to see us losing every game when we have games against Melb x2, Ess, Freo as well as Carl and WC to come.

Should see us around 9 wins and 11th or 12th on the ladder. Pretty well as expected.

[wayne]

Our club needs to play these players till the end of the year in the hope that they may be worth something at the end of the year although that is unlikely.

RICHMOND NEEDS TO TANK!

RICHMOND NEEDS TO LOSE EVERY SINGLE GAME FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON!

RICHMOND NEEDS TO GET 3 TOP 20 PICKS.

Our future going forward depends on us doing this right. If we cant be disciplined enough to tank for 11 Weeks then we are dropkicks.

We're not going to make the 8, we're still nowhere near good enough to take on the big boys, 3 top 20 picks in '08.... make it happen Terry!!