How was beating Melbourne 'good'?

[Judge Roughneck]

Pick #10 is better than pick #3?

05
3 - B. Dowler - 3 games.
10 - S. Hurn - 36 games.

Incorrect.

Xavier Ellis was 3. Dowler 6.

04
3 - T. Williams - 18 games.
10 - M. Bate - 39 games.

Williams was pick #6, not pick #3. And will be a gun CHB.

Pick #3 was Ryan Griffen. Gun.

03
3 - K. Bradley - 53 games.
10 - B. Stanton - 88 games.

Bradley was pick #6.

02
3 - J. Brennan - 71 games.
10 - J. Laycock - 50 games.

Brennan is a gun. Laycock is a hack.

01
3 - A. Sampi - 78 games.
10 - N. Del Santo - 132 games.

pick #3 was Chris Judd. lol Sampi was #5 or so.

So looking at this, the only year where Pick 10 wasn't better than Pick 3 was in 2002 and players that could have been taken at Pick 10 that year include B. Schammer, D. Bell, T. Selwood, W. Minson, J. Rivers, D. Merrett, B. Staker, A. Selwood and R. Shirley.

Not much of a case for tanking or losing, especially to a side that has more pressing issues with confidence and learning to win games.

I disagree.

[Moi]

Pick #10 is better than pick #3?

You got me thinking Bentleigh so I did a bit of checking and it makes interesting reading.  Here is the difference in Pick 3 and Pick 10 from the last 7 drafts (I didn't include 2007 as they are all still too new to be a valid comparison):

06
3 - L. Hansen - 3 games.
10 - N. Brown - 10 games.

05
3 - B. Dowler - 3 games.
10 - S. Hurn - 36 games.

04
3 - T. Williams - 18 games.
10 - M. Bate - 39 games.

03
3 - K. Bradley - 53 games.
10 - B. Stanton - 88 games.

02
3 - J. Brennan - 71 games.
10 - J. Laycock - 50 games.

01
3 - A. Sampi - 78 games.
10 - N. Del Santo - 132 games.

00
3 - D. Smith - 21 games.
10 - A. McGrath - 104 games.

So looking at this, the only year where Pick 10 wasn't better than Pick 3 was in 2002 and players that could have been taken at Pick 10 that year include B. Schammer, D. Bell, T. Selwood, W. Minson, J. Rivers, D. Merrett, B. Staker, A. Selwood and R. Shirley.

Not much of a case for tanking or losing, especially to a side that has more pressing issues with confidence and learning to win games.

Great work, Smokey 

[Judge Roughneck]

The question is - do you want to win a flag (long term success) or winning meaningless games against Melbourne types (short term gain).

I think it is more important at this stage of our list's development to learn how to win and gain the confidence and strength that goes with that, regardless of who we beat.

If we were blooding Connors, Collins types then Id agree. But we are stil playing Hyde and Bowden.

[Judge Roughneck]

Pick #10 is better than pick #3?

You got me thinking Bentleigh so I did a bit of checking and it makes interesting reading.  Here is the difference in Pick 3 and Pick 10 from the last 7 drafts (I didn't include 2007 as they are all still too new to be a valid comparison):

06
3 - L. Hansen - 3 games.
10 - N. Brown - 10 games.

05
3 - B. Dowler - 3 games.
10 - S. Hurn - 36 games.

04
3 - T. Williams - 18 games.
10 - M. Bate - 39 games.

03
3 - K. Bradley - 53 games.
10 - B. Stanton - 88 games.

02
3 - J. Brennan - 71 games.
10 - J. Laycock - 50 games.

01
3 - A. Sampi - 78 games.
10 - N. Del Santo - 132 games.

00
3 - D. Smith - 21 games.
10 - A. McGrath - 104 games.

So looking at this, the only year where Pick 10 wasn't better than Pick 3 was in 2002 and players that could have been taken at Pick 10 that year include B. Schammer, D. Bell, T. Selwood, W. Minson, J. Rivers, D. Merrett, B. Staker, A. Selwood and R. Shirley.

Not much of a case for tanking or losing, especially to a side that has more pressing issues with confidence and learning to win games.

Great work, Smokey 

[richmondrules]

Pick #10 is better than pick #3?

You seriously wanted to lose 11 games in a row? Sorry, that's not for me, I'm a simple soul and I like winning.

The question is - do you want to win a flag (long term success) or winning meaningless games against Melbourne types (short term gain).

I don't see why they should be mutually exclusive.

[Ramps]

If Carlton finish with a pick in the pick 8 or pick 9 region, then Richmond will be able to trade for it. Carlton still white hot for Newman. I imagine draft picks will be involved, whether Carlton get another pick or there is a swapping of later round picks i dont know. 

[Francois Jackson]

If Carlton finish with a pick in the pick 8 or pick 9 region, then Richmond will be able to trade for it. Carlton still white hot for Newman. I imagine draft picks will be involved, whether Carlton get another pick or there is a swapping of later round picks i dont know. 

that rumour is gaining some serious momentum.

that combined with the blues need for some mature backman, the fev connection, id say it just might be on the cards.

if a top 10 pick was thrown up should we take it??

id say yes but have we got enough quality back there to fill his spot. not sure we have

[Ramps]

I just put forward what I heard, im not saying that we will trade Newman, I dont know that, all Ive said is that people are saying that Carlton want Newman and at this stage it looks like they will trade for him, as to whether or not we trade with them, thats another question, and I dont have the answer to that.

[Smokey]

If we were blooding Connors, Collins types then Id agree. But we are stil playing Hyde and Bowden.

Yep, fair point.  The only thing I will say to it is that at least they are making them fight hard to earn a spot and that will benefit them in the long run.

[Ekto]

How was beating Melbourne 'good'?

2 more points than we got against the dirty dogs, and 4 more points than we should have got against the weak Saints.

You don't draw pictures on scorecards or ladders, you just post results, especially in a game in which it is vital to win, such as this one against the Demons.

[Smokey]

snipped it all just to respond.

I gave my reasons for listing the picks I did in an earlier post.  Most of these #3's weren't available to the side coming 14th.

Not much of a case for tanking or losing, especially to a side that has more pressing issues with confidence and learning to win games.
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I disagree.

What I like about forums.   

[Tigermonk]

I think it is more important at this stage of our list's development to learn how to win and gain the confidence and strength that goes with that, regardless of who we beat.

very important that we win games to lift confidence & moral around the club & among the supporters 

[Judge Roughneck]

Pick #10 is better than pick #3?

I don't see why they should be mutually exclusive.

Due to the system that the AFL is - with the salary cap and drafting system it rewards losing games. top 3 picks are like gold. We are a rebuilding side. It think it is pretty easy to put together.

People talk how good Deledio and Cotchin... often are the same people who are against tanking. Irony IMO.

[wayne]

If Carlton finish with a pick in the pick 8 or pick 9 region, then Richmond will be able to trade for it. Carlton still white hot for Newman. I imagine draft picks will be involved, whether Carlton get another pick or there is a swapping of later round picks i dont know. 

The Blues and the Hawks would be prime teams to raid for high draft picks.

I actually hope Carlton really over-achieve and are a bit careless with their picks, thinking they're not far off and trade them away for a bunch of duds.

[Francois Jackson]

If Carlton finish with a pick in the pick 8 or pick 9 region, then Richmond will be able to trade for it. Carlton still white hot for Newman. I imagine draft picks will be involved, whether Carlton get another pick or there is a swapping of later round picks i dont know. 

The Blues and the Hawks would be prime teams to raid for high draft picks.

I actually hope Carlton really over-achieve and are a bit careless with their picks, thinking they're not far off and trade them away for a bunch of duds.

i think they r still very far off the mark, however only in their defensive area. i believe they have all positions covered except here.

in saying that, fev goes down and its goodbye calrton