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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #120 on: May 28, 2008, 11:14:12 AM »
same goes with tambo although i see him as a totally different player to lids in style and position.

I think Tambo would have a little more improvement than Lids in him. He's only just developing the body he needs for AFL where Lids could lose a bit of bulk now his being played predominantly in the mid field.

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #121 on: May 28, 2008, 11:15:02 AM »
I wish we could ignore their drafting number and 'potential' and judge each player on their current form, comparing them with every other player on our and other teams lists. If we did that Lids and Blinger would compare very well and we would not always be expecting more!

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #122 on: May 28, 2008, 11:36:00 AM »
I expect more from both of them because they are only kids.

Time will bring further hardness and maturity that will make them even more solid and dangerous than they are now. I am happy with both of their progress and expect no more than they are producing at this time in their careers. I am very happy with the comparisons with their peers.

Even so I do expect them to improve. This will happen, it is nothing they need to do, further experience will improve them. I watch our cubs, not just these two, with growing excitement.

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« Reply #123 on: May 28, 2008, 12:07:10 PM »
he will start producing in the next year or two
the likes of Judd, Cooney, Ablett, Bartel, Ling, Harvey, Stevens, Burgoynes, Kerr, Embley, Penny, & many more (too many to list) are all great competitors & your not just going to shove them aside & beat them down without some games, strength & planning behind you.
Also counts on the Ruckmen you got getting the ball to them, this is most important  ;D so you cant hurt anyone if the Ruckmen aint winning the ball or tapping it to you ( Hence Brad Ottens )  ;D
You also got to study the opposition ruckman videos & then to top it off you got to have the most important players the blockers in Tuck, Johnson, & Hyde who lay thier bodies on the line every week that lets players like Foley, Deledio, Tambling, White, & Brown to break away from the centre.
So in all,  you got to look at the whole thing, of these guys playing games together & getting it right themselves before anyone is going to produce a match winning player
Watch old Eagles replays you see it plain & clear  ;D when looking for it instead of following the ball all the times you see the ones who lay the blocks before the ruck contest & are mainly the ones who are first to dive on the ball to block it in if all other fails
Deledio will be playing like Cooney in time to come, remember these players are picking up opponants drilled to stop them every games.
Thier is no easy role being a midfielder in any game  :thumbsup

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #124 on: May 28, 2008, 12:51:17 PM »
I wish we could ignore their drafting number and 'potential' and judge each player on their current form, comparing them with every other player on our and other teams lists. If we did that Lids and Blinger would compare very well and we would not always be expecting more!
Yep.  If we had picked them up as rookies we would all be very busy peeing in each other's pockets about how good they are.

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #125 on: May 28, 2008, 04:54:02 PM »
Name        YOB  Debut   Games         Goals         Average
                                 08/career     08/career   Disposals 08

Lids           87  2005    09/71          10/50         23.89
Ablett        84  2002    08/133        11/176        27.38
Cooney      85  2004    09/96          14/104        26.11
Griffen       86  2005    09/60          07/23         18.89
Judd         83  2002    09/143         08/146        23.22

Just looking here im happy with where he is at for a kid who is only JUST 21.  Maybe he lacks a little consistency but show me any kids that dont.


Yep. Lids output in raw numbers at the same age is decent. In fact better disposal wise.

Cooney at the same age (2006) averaged 19 disposals. At the same AFL experience (2007) 21 disposals.
Ablett at the same age and AFL experience (2005) averaged 18.
Judd at the same age (2004) average 21; at the same experience (2005) 23. Mind you Judd was already Brownlow medallist.

The difference b/w them and Lids at this stage is Lids has rarely taken a game by the scruff of the neck as a goalkicking pack-bursting mid. The advantage they have over Lids though is they were playing in finals sides so others around them shared the workload. Our midfield for the next decade is still in its embryonic stage.
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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #126 on: May 28, 2008, 05:39:00 PM »
I wish we could ignore their drafting number and 'potential' and judge each player on their current form, comparing them with every other player on our and other teams lists. If we did that Lids and Blinger would compare very well and we would not always be expecting more!
Yep.  If we had picked them up as rookies we would all be very busy peeing in each other's pockets about how good they are.

Very pruductive compent smokey though I prefer to keep my pockets well out of your pee range if I can thanks.

I think it is worth while comparing players, just at mightytigers just did in the post above, at their current level, age and performance rather than being disappointed that they are not superstars already. All young players have plenty of potential and hopefully clubs who picked players with a high draft choice will get great players in the long run but if Foley is any example, it really depends upon the player themselves.

I'm happy with Lids at the moment. He is playing well. If he improves more in the future it will be a bonus.

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #127 on: May 28, 2008, 05:46:10 PM »
Our midfield for the next decade is still in its embryonic stage.

Indeed.

 - Deledio, Brett  71 21yr 1mth
 - Foley, Nathan  58 22yr 8mth
 - Cotchin, Trent  2 18yr 1mth
 - Tambling, Richard  62 21yr 8mth

You would think that would be the core.

 - Edwards, Shane  22 19yr 7mth
 - White, Matthew  25 21yr 1mth

Of our best half dozen best young mids only Foley is over 21yoa. Drafting from the rookie list pre-2004 draft.

It'll be intersting to see of the remaining makes it, but age-wise, all have time. Outside the RFC XXII at this stage but should be pushing for spots and also in 22 and under age range.

 - Raines, Andrew  53 22yr 2mth
 - Jackson, Daniel  40 22yr 1mth
 - Polo, Dean  26 21yr 9mth
 - Morton, Mitch  18 21yr 3mth
 - Meyer, Danny  17 21yr 9mth
 - Oakley-Nicholls, Jarrad  7 20yr 3mth
 - Connors, Daniel  4 19yr 8mth
 - Collard, Clayton (R)  1 19yr 5mth
 - Casserly, Travis  0 21yr
 - Collins, Andrew  0 19yr 6mth

Players are going to be much better 24 than they are 22. We have a number of players in this age range and by end of 2009 should be inproving at a good rate together. Our spine is still a worry but future midfeild should hold its own.
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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #128 on: May 29, 2008, 06:49:04 PM »
A couple of those aren't mids but it does show how young and inexperienced a list we have and we need to be patient. Lids has done well to play 71 out of 75 possible games by 21 y.o.
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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #129 on: May 29, 2008, 07:47:00 PM »
 :lol :lol Nathan Foley the old bloke at 22yrs & 8mths

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #130 on: May 29, 2008, 09:49:47 PM »
:lol :lol Nathan Foley the old bloke at 22yrs & 8mths

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #131 on: June 01, 2008, 05:11:42 PM »
How did we all rate Lids' game of 32 possies and 2 goals?


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« Reply #132 on: June 01, 2008, 08:22:45 PM »
It was slippery and he made a few errors like the rest but he did far more than any other team mate.

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #133 on: June 02, 2008, 07:16:17 AM »
He was ok, he did have 20 of his 32 touches in the second half when the heat was off the game.

Needs to produce this kind of footy when the heat of the contest is still on.

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #134 on: June 07, 2008, 02:28:45 AM »
Deledio right on the pace
Lyall Johnson | June 7, 2008

IN TALES concerning rites of passage or boys maturing to men, you'll often hear the line, "But there comes a time in every lad's life …" which marks the turning point of the story.

For Brett Deledio, Richmond's 2004 No. 1 draft choice, the line might have a double-barrelled conclusion. For starters, Deledio's tale could probably continue, "… when he gets sick of being judged against others who were selected in the same draft", or equally, "… when he starts to establish himself in his own right and is not judged on the number he was selected at in the draft".

The former came to a head last year when Lance Franklin was emerging and the Hawks had just given the undersized Tigers a touch-up, "Buddy" and Jarryd Roughead sharing nine goals.

The Age columnist Robert Walls criticised the Tigers' draft choices and in the cross-hairs was Deledio (among others) who, he suggested, hadn't developed quickly enough. While Walls was probably correct, he was also premature, given Deledio had only just turned 20, was the youngest player taken in his draft year and effectively up to a year junior in mind and body to his fellow draftees.

Deledio took exception to the comments, perhaps showing his age, and has decided to black-ban The Age as a result. Thus, we won't be hearing from him here.

But what Walls noted about him — that he had not "learnt how to gut-run to shake a tag" — is in fact part of what Deledio has achieved this year, confirming that he has also begun to "establish himself in his own right".

According to Champion Data, Deledio this season has become one of the Tigers' "go-to" players, averaging a career-high and team-high 25 disposals a match. He also leads the team in handballs, inside-50s and score assists and ranks second in long kicks, uncontested possessions and handball-receives.

Also noteworthy is where he is getting his possessions — the 77.3% he gets in the midfield and 13.8% in the forward line show his role is far less defensive than it was a year ago.

"Really consistent" was how coach Terry Wallace described him last week but added that his improvement was still very much a work in progress. His body has developed into a strong midfielder's shape but the next step is to learn to use his pace and power to take on opponents and break open matches.

In many respects, the path ahead involves emulating teammate Nathan Foley, who shot into the elite when he released his pace.

"He's not that dissimilar to Nathan," Wallace said. "There's not a quicker player in the competition and I don't think he necessarily uses that break-out pace to the best advantage he can. I think he plays a really consistent, good game of footy but the next level is for him to use the dynamics he has got, the sheer power in his game.

"He's really got the ability to mark over and above his size (and is) a superior athlete to a lot of blokes going around. Buddy Franklin is that as a key-position player, Brett's a superior athlete to a lot of the midfielders.

"Early in a player's career, as a coach, you drive to games wondering whether he is going to be a seven-and-a-half out of 10 or a five out of 10. He's bringing to the table really even performances now. It's fair to say he hasn't necessarily had those break-out games, but that's the next level."

According to Wallace, that lesson will not be long in being learned, as Deledio, who is completing a coaching course, is, says Wallace, "a leader … who strives and wants to get better".

So should Deledio have taken Walls' opinion the way he has?

"He's his own person in that he is strong enough that if someone says do it a certain way, if he doesn't believe it is the right way, he'll say it. He's more of a leader and if you have got that pride in yourself, you're not that accepting," Wallace said. "I'm not saying he's not accepting. You might listen and take it on board, it doesn't mean you have to like it.

"But I think people sometimes get the wrong idea of him. He's sort of got that metrosexual Browny-type super-confident image but he's quieter than that as a person. And that, being quiet in himself, that's even another level that he can go to in terms of being more confident on-field.

"He's just a good country boy. Should he have been upset with the criticism? Well, he's a very proud kid and very proud of his footy heritage and his Dad and how he played the game and his upbringing in general and footy upbringing. And when you get that stuff shoved down your throat all the time …"

While the legacy of being a No. 1 draft choice is that, more than everyone else, he will be judged on his draft number, Wallace said he hopes that would become irrelevant as Deledio continued to perform well.

"I've always believed that you are judged more year-to-year than player-to-player," he said. "Some of the champions of the game haven't been No. 1 or No. 4, they all come in different sizes or shapes. We're happy with our lot, but would you like to have some of the other lot as well? Absolutely you would, we're all greedy. Otherwise, we're very pleased with his progress."

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/deledio-right-on-the-pace/2008/06/06/1212259117518.html?page=fullpage