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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2004, 04:40:45 PM »
Nothing has been proven that anything underhanded has happened with our finances.  So I can only look at what has happened and is happening with the current administration and compare it to what Schwab offers, which isn’t much, if anything.

Exactly TS - what do or have they offered? Nothing, nada, nil, zippo, zilch. I have said it before Schwab is big on telling us what is wrong but not big on presenting solutions
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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2004, 04:50:14 PM »

There are two parties here squabbling. The incumbents and the challengers. How you can be pi$$d off with just one of the sides is beyond me. They both suck. Just because Swab underwhelms you doesnt mean Casey should escape criticism for running the club into the ground and being a crap president.


And that is the biggest problem 1980 - there are only 2 parties and from the 2 we have, each of us has to make a choice. Do we go with what we have or go with those who have been part of the decision making process, walked away and now want to come back.

Personally I ticked off with Casey and his board because we are going to lose $2 million this year - which means we will be in debt (not by $ 2m but in debt none the less) for the first time in a number of years. However, Casey and his board have not walked away - they have put together a business plan (that has the backing of the AFL) that will claw us out of this mess we are in. One of the most pleasing part of this plan for my view point is finally thay are not going to rely on the teams on field performance to try and make a profit. For far to long gate receipts and the hope the team is going to perfrom has dominated the Clubs thinking. Whether, people want to acknowledge it or not Brendan Schwab and Peter Welsh were members of the boards that used this archaic thinking. And it has cost us.

Then we have Schwab who continues to tell us nothing new but what we already know. He tells us the figures are bad - we know it. He has told us that "we will need strong medicine" but hasn't explained what the storng medicine is going to be except hinting that it may involve cost cutting. the cost cutting has already started. So it appears he constantly tells us what we arleady know. The Schwab ticket has offered nothing in terms of policy or strategies all they do is offer up the same old same old - nothing new. Oops I tell a lie - they offer us a female on their ticket as if to say here's a good reason to vote for us. What a surprise it was that one of the first articles from Caro on her return from Greece was the latest instalment in the "Schwab take-over". As I said nothing new just the same old same old.

So we have 2 choices.

BG25, said it perfectly the other day - Casey's money and ego wont let the Tigers fail. Can Schwab offer us the same guarantees - the answer is NO and as a result  with the 2 choices available Casey gets my vote.

 

This is the most sensible post I've read on this issue. Thanks

However, this is not a case of a crap pres against a couple of guys that walked away and now want to come back. These couple of guys resigned in protest at how the pres was running the club, how much money it was losing.

We've all got reason to be disappointed with what swab ended up producing. The expectation all year was that a lot of Tiger heavies would be on the ticket. There were business leaders like Macek and Daphne all publicaly saying the same things swab is saying now, that the club was in deep trouble financially, that Casey had a lot too answer for. And there were a lot of Tigers supporters posting on BF and other sites about getting rid of Casey.

So the fact that swab came up empty is reason enough to dismiss him. And I agree with this. But gee, Casey getting clapped these days doesnt sit well with me either.








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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2004, 05:22:42 PM »
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By Caroline Wilson
- with Jake Niall

Schwab's challenge looks certain to expand by one tomorrow to give his ticket the required nine members to remove Casey.



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I hope it's someone with good business acumen to give the alternative what it seems to be lacking.
Accountants and lawyers are smart so important for a business, but their world of living by the bottom-line and covering @rses from every legal angle can be totally impersonal and removed from the work that is required to reach goals.

There seems to be a conflict stopping John Ilhan from jumping on board (Motorola sponsorship?), but he is the type of innovative and successful businessman who I think could make the Schwab ticket better able to run the club if they won the election.


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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2004, 05:52:44 PM »

Just read on foxsports than Macek is set to replace Swab as leading the challenge.

Interested to know if those supporting Casey over swab, will support Casey over Macek...


Macek told The Australian last night he would make a decision this week about whether to join Schwab's ticket in readiness for the December general meeting.

"I've been encouraged by family, friends and supporters to make a commitment to the club," Macek said. "If I join Brendan's ticket, and they want me to stand as president, I certainly wouldn't rule that out."

Macek, a member of the Telstra and Wesfarmers boards and chairman of the Financial Reporting Council, said in June he was highly concerned about the direction of Richmond.

"Concerned with a capital C," he said. "I believe a fish rots from the head and I believe this administration has failed the football club."

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,10691088-23211,00.html


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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2004, 05:59:02 PM »
Would Schwab stand down as the leader of the ticket in favour of Charles?
If so, what kind of leader is he anyway if he would fold so early and easily?  I'd probably vote for Charles, but i definitely will not vote for Schwab .  I'm so sick of seeing kids of great people think they can repeat the deeds of their fathers.  You're no Alan Schwab, Brendan.  Neither was Cameron.  I'm sure they're nice people, but get the hell out of trying to run our club. 

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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2004, 06:17:52 PM »
I wonder if Schwab's seen the writing on the wall if he remained leader of the alternative. Then again he's not standing down completely off the ticket. Nor is Welsh. Wasn't Macek a former board member anyway under Daphne?

Names don't mean much to me anyway. I want to see detailed outlines of their future plans for the RFC and so far the alternative ticket has only complained about things we already know; not what they plan to do differently to the incumbants.


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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2004, 06:24:10 PM »
Charles is a nice man.  Likes a drink back at the social club with his wife Jill who is president of a VFA club which i can't remember now - so he gets my vote there 'cos he'll mix with the masses.  Is a very successful businessman.  Charisma?  Questionable.  Passionate Richmond?  I think so.  Good speaker as we've heard before, but i would like to hear what he has to say as well about what he wants for the future, how he can reduce our debt etc.  I really think anyone bar Mickey Mouse could lead our club now we've got Wallace on board - i'm sure membership will increase just with his appointment, and as we win more games, the revenue will flow.

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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2004, 06:27:02 PM »
i always got the feeling that Schwab never wanted to be president, he wanted to be involved but was just the person who got the ball rolling. This could really change things i reckon, Macek has been involved under Daphne and the club was really travelling well off field at that time.

I think Casey would be worried now.

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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2004, 08:08:33 PM »
They read a press release on SEN from the Schwab camp while I was driving home - it said that Charles Macek would (if the Schwab ticket was sucessful) be the new Richmond President and Brendan would be Vice-President. De ja vu :P

They interviewed Charles and he said amongst other things that the finances were bad but we don't know how bad, that the last 2-3 years the club had its very fabric destroyed( :-\ not sure what that means), tried to explain why he quit the board in 1999 but said it was long story but the short version was he quit to make the transistion from the Daphne board to the Casey board smooth and then said something about Clinton not wanting him (another comment that I didn't quite understand). Was critical that directors don't travel intersate when the team does. Personally I thought this was a strange comment because when you are financially in the doghouse I would have thought saving money was more important than Directors flying interstate. Was also critical of the alternatives having to sign a confidentiality agreement before seeing the books - he said that defeated ther purpose of them being able to tell us what's wrong down there.

But he did make some sense when he said that the alternative ticket would consider the financial implcations on the Club before calling an EGM. His arguement being, the cost of running an EGM and then within a month having an AGM may not be a wise thing considering our financial situation.

Channel 7 also interviewed Schwab and he said now there was absolutely no reason why Casey shouldn't resign because a viable alternative had come forward


I wonder if Schwab's seen the writing on the wall if he remained leader of the alternative. Then again he's not standing down completely off the ticket. Nor is Welsh. Wasn't Macek a former board member anyway under Daphne?


Yes I think Schwab may have got the message that he absolutely no chance of winning an election. Smartest thing he's done since he started his ticket.

Yes Charles Macek was on the board from 1995 to 1999 when he resigned. He also said on SEN that he was part of the board during the SOS campaign.


Just read on foxsports than Macek is set to replace Swab as leading the challenge.

Interested to know if those supporting Casey over swab, will support Casey over Macek...

Honeestly after hearing him on SEN - the answer to that 1980 is no - not until he puts forward his plans for the future of the RFC - until then I still cannot support the alternative. Macek like Schwab told me whats wrong but didn't give me any idea how he/they intend to fix it.


i always got the feeling that Schwab never wanted to be president,

I disagree with you here Bully - I think he wanted to be President but he has realised he had no hope of winning. I am sure all his people out there  ;) have been telling him that
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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2004, 10:08:05 PM »
I am sick of all this crap. Unfortunately ALL particapants in this soap opera have overshadowed what the RFC is all about, winning games of football.
I am sick of reading absolute dribble of opinions of NOBODIES on other forums rant and rave about crap.

Facts of the matter are as follows.

We had a coach that couldnt coach and had a poor list -no-one would disagree there
this caused a down turn in gate receipts and overall revenue- FACT.
the club relied on revenue from gaming venues which fell way short of forecasts thus causing massive shortfall- FACT.

And the last fact is that Total number of all posters from PRE and OER and any other forums are about 1%  of the total membership of the RFC club, FACT !

What do the other 99% think of the RFC  ? Answer. they dont really care. All they want is to see the Tigers in the finals.

We dont here boo from the Essendon, West Coast, Kangaroos or most other Presidents or board memebers do we.
Dont see the Kanagaroo supporters jumping up and down about there losses, do we?
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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2004, 11:36:23 PM »
Clinton has just come out of the monthly board meeting. Talking footy said he's going to face the challenge head on with the plan ticked off by the AFL. The board tonight agreed to the plan. Obviously no sign of an internal dispute within the incumbant board towards Casey as some people were trying to make out.

Forget to mention that Casey intends to make a public statement on the issue tomorrow.
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Macek spearheads takeover bid
« Reply #56 on: September 08, 2004, 01:41:09 AM »
Macek spearheads takeover bid
By Jake Niall
realfooty.theage.com.au
September 8, 2004

The forces opposing Richmond president Clinton Casey have made their boldest move yet, installing corporate heavyweight and former Richmond director Charles Macek as their presidential candidate in place of his running mate Brendan Schwab.

Schwab's group, believing that Macek's corporate and business connections make him a more electable president than Schwab, yesterday confirmed that its seven-strong ticket had expanded to nine, while placing Macek at the head of the ticket.

Macek, a former director under the previous Leon Daphne administration, had been in discussions with Schwab for some time and has been a trenchant critic of the Casey board.

When Casey came to power, one of his first acts was to request that Macek step aside. Macek had expressed a desire to be president then.

Macek said yesterday that once he had been persuaded to join the challenge, the rest of the group, including Schwab, felt he had the best credentials to be the prospective president.

Macek, who is on the board of Telstra and Wesfarmers, is a friend of the AFL's senior commissioner, Colin Carter, also a Wesfarmers director, and the Schwab camp believed his corporate connections would make the club more marketable to members and sponsors. Macek's record suggests he takes a hardline on corporate governance and on a separation between the board and the executive.

He said the challengers wanted the entire board replaced by their group of nine, which, following Macek's addition, has four people who have served as club directors in the past - Macek, Schwab, former football director Peter Welsh and liquidation specialist Mike Humphris. The ticket also includes a woman, lawyer Sharon Hall, and former premiership player Bryan Wood.

Casey and the board met last night and heard a presentation from the club's new chief executive, Steve Wright, on the club's financial position. But the Macek-Schwab challenge, which, if successful, would result in a complete cleanout of the current board, was not discussed in detail. Casey is about to head overseas for more than a month.

As of earlier this week, Casey had indicated his wish to continue as president. At least one director, Rob Turner, was believed to be considering his position.

The group of nine challengers yesterday repeated the claim that Casey had failed to honour the July agreement between the camps and called on him and the board to step aside.

"I don't see how there's any leeway," said Macek, when asked if there was still room for one of the current board to join his camp.

Unless Casey and the board step aside, the Macek-led group will stand against it at the annual meeting in December.

Macek said it would be his preference to have the election, should it be necessary, then, rather than at an earlier extraordinary general meeting, which would cost the club tens of thousands of dollars.

He said his group supported the appointments of Terry Wallace - as negotiated in the July "truce" between the factions - and of chief executive Steve Wright. He also offered an endorsement of influential football director Greg Miller.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/09/07/1094530611386.html
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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2004, 10:12:24 AM »
Casey's had his go in the sun and it's time he passed the baton in a peaceful manner.  He said he'd do so if a viable alternative came along.  Macek appears to fit the bill.  Hat's off to Schwab for putting the club ahead of his ego, something Casey isn't able to do.  2.4 Mill is a massive loss in one year, especially when you are the RFC with our supporter base.  Plain and simple mismanagement. 
Does anyone have half an idea on anything?

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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2004, 10:35:15 AM »
Casey and the current board can walk if they want to, but surely having a board election is both peaceful - and allows the members to have their say. Private deals done to arrange handovers from one group to the next serve only to disenfranchise the members.

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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2004, 11:00:47 AM »
Macek, another disgruntled EX- BOARD member.
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