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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #150 on: September 13, 2004, 05:25:41 PM »
with so many wise people associated with or around Richmond then why in god's name are we where we are today? ???

Good question PRR.  But why would "wise" people want to get themselves involved in the snake pit that seems to be the Richmond Boardroom?

Wise people would have better ways to spend their days than being back stabbed and having their authority diminished by influential background people.

Genuine Richmond people would be lost and swallowed up in all the politics and behind the scenes goings on to be able to make any effective contribution to the Club.

Anyone on the RFC Board would need some of these to keep themselves sane I reckon  :banghead :banghead :banghead

Might sound harsh, but wouldn't surprise if it were true.



Cant argue with that TS. You're spot on. And here lies the real problem with the RFC. There are so many Richmond people out there with outstanding qualifications to be on our board. Former players that wont go anywhere near the club. And corporate heavyweights that dont want to get involved in the mess, or claim to not have the time.

But dont go so easy on them TS. Because these guys are motballs. If they put their hand up, the members would vote for them with their feet. People like Rex Hunt, or Michael Green who is a premiership ruckman and Melb's most successful barrister.

Until these kind of ppl stick their neck out for the club, the best we get is a board that can do no worse, and recycled boardmembers that are open to argument for not having done that well either.

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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #151 on: September 13, 2004, 06:18:47 PM »
Cant argue with that TS. You're spot on. And here lies the real problem with the RFC. There are so many Richmond people out there with outstanding qualifications to be on our board. Former players that wont go anywhere near the club. And corporate heavyweights that dont want to get involved in the mess, or claim to not have the time.

But dont go so easy on them TS. Because these guys are motballs. If they put their hand up, the members would vote for them with their feet. People like Rex Hunt, or Michael Green who is a premiership ruckman and Melb's most successful barrister.

Until these kind of ppl stick their neck out for the club, the best we get is a board that can do no worse, and recycled boardmembers that are open to argument for not having done that well either.

They probably understand better than us the politics that goes on at the Club 1980 and, as much as we’d like these genuine Richmond people to nominate for the Board, I just don’t think they will while things happen the way they do.

So that’s where RFC members have to wake up to how things work behind the scenes to undermine the Club and step in and stop that sort of thing from happening.

It seems that the current Board may be doing its bit, by not caving into this ticket and handing over control to them, and nor are they caving in to any people in the background.  Anybody who wants to be on the Board needs to earn and deserve that right, by going through the correct channels and it’s up to the members, when we get that opportunity, to ensure that happens.

I agree with you, 1980, that if these Richmond people nominated they would get on the Board and if there were enough of them to nominate independently then we might finally get somewhere.  So if they won't nominate now, then it's up to the current Board and Members to change the way decisions have been made at this footy club.

Any genuine Richmond person would nominate for the Board, rather than form a ticket, because that will only achieve further division within the Club.  We want genuine leaders who can unite and bring people together.  Instead, we get people forming tickets, faceless people in the background demanding decisions be made and all this has served to do is disenfranchise members, supporters and past greats.

These people on tickets do nothing more than stroke their own egos.  Not only that, they lack vision and have nothing of real value to contribute to the Club, otherwise they couldn’t possibly see the need to go down this track.
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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #152 on: September 13, 2004, 08:33:30 PM »
You're spot on 1980 and top post TS.

I'd guess the only way we as members can change this situation is to demand we have our say instead of the background people.  And the only time we get a say is when there's an election where all of us can hold both the incumbants and challengers to account. Maybe if these genuine and talented Richmond people knew that to get on the board all they needed to do was to present themselves and ideas before the whole membership in a civilised and stable manner instead of needing to play politics and begging for approval of the background idiots, they may be more willing to put themselves up for positions in the future.
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Casey wants Turner and Matthies to leave plus add a new person next week.
« Reply #153 on: September 14, 2004, 02:11:10 AM »
Casey goes sailing on as plot thickens at Richmond
Patrick Smith
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September 14, 2004

RICHMOND president Clinton Casey is on holiday. He is in Cairo and plans a trip down the Nile. He may find himself without a paddle.

The board he left behind is not anywhere near as solid as he previously believed. Casey has been trusting to the point of naivety. He thought it best that he run to the December elections with an unchanged board to show solidity and stability. He now knows that this has been an unwise strategy.

He now wants board members Rob Turner and John Matthies to step down immediately. Casey has simply lost confidence in them and fears they are plotting directly to overthrow him. For the sake of unity he believes he has no other choice but to demand their resignations.

Casey told The Australian that Turner had been creeping in the dark to negotiate with the rival ticket led by Charles Macek and Brendan Schwab. Indeed, Turner met Schwab early last week and the football community was driven by rumours that a board challenge from within would topple Casey at last Tuesday's meeting of directors.

Casey said he believed Turner thought he might become president-elect of the Schwab ticket, but was unaware that Macek had been recruited to head Schwab's team. Turner might find he is not a member of the incumbent board or its rival.

Of both Matthies and Turner, Casey said he thought neither brought anything to the table. Casey has previously asked Turner to step down but he has resisted. Not a lot is known about Matthies except that he should spend some time with his fellow board member and broadcaster Anthony Mithen and learn how the media work.

Matthies apparently believes AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou calls members of the media into his office and instructs them about what to write.

After Demetriou's week from hell, how must the AFL boss wish that was right. It isn't, of course, and it is a major concern that a member of a football board can hold such ill-conceived and fanciful theories. You wonder what other bizarre conspiracies keep him awake at night.

If Matthies took time out to think, he would realise the only body more criticised and reviled than the AFL is that of The Elephant Man.

Casey is working to restructure his board and plans to announce a new addition to his team as early as next week. Casey said the person to be appointed to the board had a superior financial background.

That will help the Tigers. Casey said the loss this year has been reassessed and will fall somewhere between $1.9 million to $2.1m. Casey's new business plan, which has the support of the AFL, will have the club return to profit within two years. A new coterie group organised around football director Greg Miller will deliver $250,000 next year.

The battle at Richmond is an odd one. Casey's board has under-performed, but has still been able to appoint Terry Wallace as coach for next year, appoint the well-credentialled Steve Wright as chief executive and its new financial direction is being closely monitored and approved by the financial gurus at AFL headquarters.

Spending on the football department has been prolific and profligate. That will be reined in next season and plans to nab a talented but expensive player will need to be prudent. The Tigers will get their talent infusion through two early draft picks.

Among the challengers are four men who have been on Tigers boards before. Schwab and Peter Welsh worked under Casey until earlier this year when they said time restraints meant they had to resign. Michael Humphris served on the Tigers board from 1986-93 when the club was broke and never finished higher than 10th.

Macek worked under president Leon Daphne and attempted to win the presidency when Daphne stood down. Under Daphne's presidency from 1993-99 the club went through three coaches - John Northey, Robert Walls and Jeff Gieschen. Danny Frawley took over in 2000. In Daphne and Macek's last three years the club finished 13th, ninth and 12th.

Macek, Humphris, Welsh and Schwab hardly come from the Tigers' glory days.

There is no doubt that Demetriou believes the nucleus of the Casey board has the nous and experience to steer the Tigers to better times. He said so publicly two weeks ago.

Certainly Casey has a better understanding of what is required to make a football club work in Melbourne. He has spent time as acting chief executive and sought the best men available to fill the coaching and CEO positions. He is about to strengthen his board.

For all that he is either a brave man or a naive one to take a holiday two months away from an election. The plot and plotters thicken.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10755763%255E12270,00.html
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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #154 on: September 14, 2004, 03:16:14 AM »
The battle lines are now definitely being drawn. Caroline Wilson vs Patrick Smith lol.

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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #155 on: September 14, 2004, 06:43:02 AM »
Two opinionated people who should be posting on a certain web site, they would find it fun there. ::)
On Patrick, he is the only negative to KB show on SEN.
He bags everyone , he should look at himself first !
As for Caroline, get a life please.

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Re: Casey wants Turner and Matthies to leave plus add a new person next week.
« Reply #156 on: September 14, 2004, 08:52:29 AM »

That will help the Tigers. Casey said the loss this year has been reassessed and will fall somewhere between $1.9 million to $2.1m. Casey's new business plan, which has the support of the AFL, will have the club return to profit within two years. A new coterie group organised around football director Greg Miller will deliver $250,000 next year.


I know a loss is not a good result - but this if true, is a good result when people have going on about $2.5 - $3 million/

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The battle at Richmond is an odd one. Casey's board has under-performed, but has still been able to appoint Terry Wallace as coach for next year, appoint the well-credentialled Steve Wright as chief executive and its new financial direction is being closely monitored and approved by the financial gurus at AFL headquarters.


Odd - good word Patrick (cannot believe I jsut praised Patrick ;D). Seriously, having the backing of the AFL is very important IMO. If this plan is that good then anyone thinking of coming in would be very very foolish to ignore it or change it.

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Among the challengers are four men who have been on Tigers boards before. Schwab and Peter Welsh worked under Casey until earlier this year when they said time restraints meant they had to resign. Michael Humphris served on the Tigers board from 1986-93 when the club was broke and never finished higher than 10th.

Macek worked under president Leon Daphne and attempted to win the presidency when Daphne stood down. Under Daphne's presidency from 1993-99 the club went through three coaches - John Northey, Robert Walls and Jeff Gieschen. Danny Frawley took over in 2000. In Daphne and Macek's last three years the club finished 13th, ninth and 12th.

Macek, Humphris, Welsh and Schwab hardly come from the Tigers' glory days.

Hmmm..... has Patrick been reading OER? I know a number of us have been saying the same things for the last few months  :thumbsup
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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #157 on: September 14, 2004, 01:41:57 PM »

LMAOOOO@Casey getting the nod from Patrick Smith. Thats got to be the kiss of death. Or did you buy Patrick a juice bar Clinton?

The facts remian the same. Daphne administration brought back financial stability to the club. Casey undid all the good work on the financial side of things and took the club back to the days of the late 80s when it was losing money every year.

Old people dont sponser footy clubs Clinton, and running old people's homes doesnt bring corporate sponsers either. Step aside.



 

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Here we go again - Alternative gives Board 21 days to all resign
« Reply #158 on: September 29, 2004, 12:39:05 AM »
Richmond rebels deliver ultimatum to board
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September 29, 2004

The rebel Richmond Football Club ticket will force an extraordinary general meeting unless every director gives a commitment within three weeks to resign.

The rebels, led by alternative president Charles Macek and organised by former director Brendan Schwab, yesterday issued a letter of demand to the incumbent board.

It wants a written commitment from all directors within 21 days that they will resign on the date of a December general meeting, allowing a full board election, otherwise the rebel ticket will collect signatures to force an extraordinary general meeting.

"If the Richmond Football Club is forced to hold an extraordinary general meeting, it will be entirely due to the failure of the current board to honour its commitment to the Richmond members," a statement said.

Schwab said: "Should it be necessary to put that petition in place, we would have no problem in doing so."

Macek said: "The members of the Richmond Football Club have every right to expect that these public commitments will be honoured in full.

"It is extremely unfortunate that previous public commitments, including access to all RFC financial and commercial arrangements, have not been honoured by the current board."

http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/09/28/1096137237015.html?oneclick=true
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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #159 on: September 29, 2004, 12:45:50 AM »
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Will someone wake me up when it's over  :banghead
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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #160 on: September 29, 2004, 12:55:13 AM »
Bloody Beautifully said woman :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow

and so colorful too.

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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #161 on: September 29, 2004, 02:40:43 AM »
Like spoilt kiddies that can't get their own way. Mummy he made me do it so it's his fault  ::). And we have to make a choice b/w them and the current board  :help. Can we scrap the board at the RFC  ;). More trouble than its worth   :banghead.

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13.   DISQUALIFICATION OF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS

The office of a member of the Board shall be ipso facto vacated:

(g)   If the Members by Ordinary Resolution at either an Annual General Meeting or Extraordinary General Meeting vote to disqualify a member of the Board, even though the member's term has not expired.  The Members may then at any such meeting vote to appoint another party to the office of member of the Board.

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So will the resolution in the petition ask members to disqualify all current 9 members and appoint the alternative 9 in its place  ??? Great choice  ::).

The latest date for electoral nominations is 21 days before the AGM. Now if the supposed AGM election is held in the 2nd week of December then any nominating member would have until say the 3rd week of November to nominate. Why is the alternative expecting an answer a whole month earlier? More political manoeuvring ??? This ultimatum would mean a EGM would be held within 42 days.

This is getting very ugly  :-\
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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #162 on: September 29, 2004, 08:45:05 AM »
just when things are starting to get back on track ::)
Its all getting too personal.
The alternative ticket are a disgrace.

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Re: Trouble is brewing
« Reply #163 on: September 29, 2004, 10:13:22 AM »
I think this is good.  All they are requesting is that the current board members resign, so that a FULL election can take place - ie letting the members decide who should be on the board.  There's nothing wrong with that as it lets us decide. 
Does anyone have half an idea on anything?

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Re: Here we go again - Alternative gives Board 21 days to all resign
« Reply #164 on: September 29, 2004, 10:18:16 AM »
Macek said: "The members of the Richmond Football Club have every right to expect that these public commitments will be honoured in full.

"It is extremely unfortunate that previous public commitments, including access to all RFC financial and commercial arrangements, have not been honoured by the current board."

http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/09/28/1096137237015.html?oneclick=true

Struth Charles don't let the facts get in the way of a good statement ::)

Your group were told they could have access to the books if you signed an confidentiality agreement - now considering that some of the things you wanted to see included "commercial agreements" (your words not mine see above) so you should be required to sign an agreement.

If I had a commercial arrangement with the RFC (eg a sponsorship agreement) I wouldn't want every man and his dog seeing what the contract says. Get real.

And as for..  "The members of the Richmond Football Club have every right to expect that these public commitments will be honoured in full." Does that include your groups commitment not to force an EGM - or did that have conditions on it that we weren't made aware of back in July.


The alternative ticket are a disgrace.

You forgot JOKE they are a JOKE and a disgrace.

Why are these people so afraid to face the members?

I think this is good. All they are requesting is that the current board members resign, so that a FULL election can take place - ie letting the members decide who should be on the board. There's nothing wrong with that as it lets us decide.

HarryH I hope you are right - but I think you will find that the alternatives don't want to face an election
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