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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #450 on: July 22, 2009, 06:29:26 PM »
3aw asked for a comment from Frawley (coaches association), Adrian Anderson and Demetriou about tanking.

Spud - "no comment"

Anderson - "no comment, I'm heading into a function"

Demetriou - "I'm bored with it all, bored talking about it, and I can't be bothered commenting"

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Grant Thomas attacks AFL tanking stance (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #451 on: July 23, 2009, 02:38:56 AM »
Grant Thomas attacks AFL tanking stance
Mark Robinson | July 23, 2009

FORMER coach Grant Thomas has lashed AFL boss Andrew Demetriou as the tanking issue gained more momentum yesterday. "Absolutely there is tanking," Thomas said.

"I don't think there is any doubt and anybody who doesn't think there is any doubt is delusional and putting their head in the sand.

"Andrew Demetriou is treating the stakeholders of the game, be it the supporters, the members and anyone else involved, with a deal of disrespect."

The controversial former St Kilda coach and Demetriou have opposing views on several subjects, significantly umpires, and Thomas understands Demetriou's stance to uphold and promote the game.

But he is staggered the AFL not only ignores the contentious tanking issue but claims it doesn't exist.

"Don't poke crap down our throats and tell us to eat it," Thomas said yesterday.

Thomas said Terry Wallace's revelations in yesterday's Herald Sun were "refreshingly honest" and "hopefully a fillip for Andrew Demetriou to acknowledge, finally, there is an issue".

Thomas coached the Saints from midway through 2001 and was sensationally sacked after the 2006 season.

They finished 15th in '01 with four wins and then won five games and had a draw in '02, again finishing 15th.

The Saints have been aided by priority selections.

In the 2000 draft, they secured Nick Riewoldt with a priority selection at No. 1 and Justin Koschitzke with pick No. 2. In 2001, Luke Ball was taken at No. 2 with a priority selection.

Thomas said yesterday he had not tanked as coach.

"Fortunately, and I can say this honestly, when I was coaching St Kilda early days, or when I was director of footy early days, we didn't have to put in place any strategies or tactics to lose. We were so damned bad we couldn't win," he said.

In 2000, the Saints finished last, five wins below the 15th-placed team, Collingwood, which took Alan Didak at No. 3.

"We were out on our own. We weren't competing with anyone else," Thomas said.

"Hand on heart, we never mentioned tanking. We didn't have to because we couldn't win. We were absolutely, unadulterated terrible."

Thomas said tanking was not as contentious an issue at the start of the century as it was now, mainly because the importance and professionalism of the draft was not of today's standards.

"Now it's become so sophisticated and recruiting has become so good, there is absolute confidence you are going to get a damn good player in the top half a dozen and that's why the race is now on," he said.

"The competition splits in half at a particular time of the year. One half is aiming for finals and premierships and the other half is aiming for draft picks.

"That's not every club, but you have to ask one question: If you're playing in your first final next week, would you put this guy out for surgery? The answer is no."

So detrimental was tanking to the game, Thomas argued players were caught up in the issue.

"Players try 100 per cent, but they also, subconsciously, because of motivation, planning, preparation, training, strategy, tactics, rotations, match-ups, etc, they start to get the drift as well and their intensity drops off," he said.

"And a half per cent drop off from all of your team is greater than 10 per cent across the team and 10 per cent across the team is enough to get you beat."

Poor games by bottom teams also affects the top of the ladder, Thomas said, citing Round 22 last year.

St Kilda beat Essendon by 108 points to win fourth spot from Adelaide by less than 1 per cent.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25822023-19742,00.html

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Jade Rawlings promises no tanking (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #452 on: July 23, 2009, 03:39:15 PM »
Jade Rawlings promises no tanking
AAP | July 23, 2009 12:28pm

JADE Rawlings has dismissed any notion of the Tigers "tanking" matches following recent claims by his predecessor Terry Wallace.

Rawlings refused to buy into the debate on whether lowly-placed clubs purposely tried not to win late-season matches to gain access to a priority draft pick.

But he promised the Tigers would not be doing so on his watch, and the team would be doing everything possible to beat Essendon in their clash on Sunday.

"I don't buy into the tanking thing. Anyone who's watched us play, we've been in positions the last five weeks where we could have won and should have won," Rawlings said.

"After the way (Essendon) got us earlier this year, my priority is picking a team that can knock them over on Sunday."

Wallace admitted to the Herald Sun that he and his coaching staff let their final match of the 2007 season against St Kilda run its natural course with minimal input.

Richmond lost the match, ensuring they would get pick two in that year's national draft, with which they selected star midfielder Trent Cotchin.

The Tigers also got a priority second-round pick in 2007 which was used on tall utility Alex Rance.

Rawlings said Cotchin and fellow midfield gun Ben Cousins would return for Sunday's match after missing last weekend's draw with North Melbourne because of illness.

Rawlings is also attempting to strengthen his claims to take the Richmond coaching job on a full-time basis from next season.

He is caretaker until the end of this year.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25823989-19742,00.html

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #453 on: July 23, 2009, 06:44:39 PM »
No coach is going to come out publicly and say yep we're tanking.

Amazing how the Dees this week suddenly lose all these key players to injury when playing another bottom 6 club ::)

In: Cheney, P. Johnson, Miller, Newton, Valenti, Whelan, McKenzie, Bail

Out: Brock McLean (knee), Mark Jamar (quad), Brad Green (scaphoid), Jack Grimes (back), Russell Robertson
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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #454 on: July 23, 2009, 08:42:13 PM »
Tanking is for losers

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #455 on: July 23, 2009, 08:45:25 PM »
Yes it is Jack but Tuck dropped?  We are now officially tanking.

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #456 on: July 23, 2009, 08:56:12 PM »
WP is 100% correct with her thoughts, we are losers.
Why we are trying for an extra pick, for what ??  Another JON :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
We have no idea what we are doing, the recruiting is a shambles,how is Thosmon and Hislop going and what picks we trade for them :banghead
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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #457 on: July 24, 2009, 01:02:44 AM »
JON wasn't a priority pick so why keep bringing him into it  ???. He was also drafted with our one man many hats Miller recruiting department.

As for tanking being for losers - yep I'm sure Hawthorn, St Kilda, Bulldogs, Carlton and Collingwood are regreting being losers and wish they could hand back their priority picks to be winners  :wallywink.
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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #458 on: July 24, 2009, 01:06:41 AM »
No Tab here in the Greek islands or i would be putting my house on the Tigers
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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #459 on: July 24, 2009, 02:08:06 AM »
JON wasn't a priority pick so why keep bringing him into it  ???. He was also drafted with our one man many hats Miller recruiting department.
Can't blame Miller for everything, Francis Jackson rated him highly also

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Demetriou's head stuck in sand (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #460 on: July 24, 2009, 02:43:50 AM »
Andrew Demetriou's head stuck in sand
Mike Sheahan | July 24, 2009

LET'S see where the power resides at the AFL Commission table. Is it with one man, chief executive Andrew Demetriou? Or is the commission prepared to exert its ultimate power at his expense?

Surely the two must be at odds on the tanking issue.

Demetriou has declared the priority pick stays, come hell or high water; the commission simply cannot allow the current conundrum to continue.

He won't back away because it seems he doesn't back away from anything that carries his endorsement. Right or wrong.

It must take a stand. Protect the image of the game.

The priority pick must go. The AFL is losing the battle of perceptions. Badly.

The priority pick has become a matter of perception, and that perception is the game is being seriously harmed by the annual debate.

Demetriou (and Kevin Bartlett) aside, there is no one in football who doesn't believe certain clubs have done less than their best to win games that threatened to cost them priority picks or the highest possible place in the draft.

Both Demetriou and Bartlett resort to the line that players, most recently Ted Richards, risk life and limb to win games.

Of course they do. I have heard no one accuse players of doing less than their best.

Leigh Matthews supported them on 3AW last night: "So long as the players on the field are trying, I'm comfortable, to be honest," he said.

Matthews should know better. It's not about the players, it's about those who pick teams, set strategies, and make changes during a game. Plus those who command the ear of the coach leading into games.

It is completely naive of Demetriou and Bartlett - and anyone on the commission with the same view - to dismiss tanking talk.

Demetriou's head is so deep in the sand, he should be able to see China.

Of course he is seen to win any public debate, for no one at club level is prepared to own up, and those of us who know why aren't prepared to expose them.

AFL Commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick should know that a certain club close to his heart made several bizarre decisions during games late in the 2007 season.

Will Fitzpatrick stand up to Demetriou? Not sure, but we will be interested to find out.

Let's remind him that Carlton secured Matthew Kreuzer and Chris Judd in the 2007 national draft by virtue of the fact it finished 15th (with fewer than five wins).

The only reasonable conclusion open to the commission, if it is brave enough, is to over-rule Demetriou and retreat to the only pure system.

The commission should remove the priority picks after the 2009 national draft and revert to the original plan, to give the worst clubs the highest picks in order.

No compromises. As soon as compromise enters the equation, exploitation will follow.

The immediate problem is the entry of Gold Coast and West Sydney to the competition, but the priority picks in principle surely are doomed.

The issue has been debated long enough. The solution now rests with those who control the game.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25826516-19742,00.html

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #461 on: July 24, 2009, 04:47:06 AM »
Shame we've got a bloke in charge of this competition who's so out of touch with reality and thinks there's no problem.
Demetriou has to go
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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #462 on: July 24, 2009, 07:14:59 AM »
Maybe he's towing the company line. (??)
He argued for priority picks to be removed in 2005 and the proposal was rejected by the AFL Commission.
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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #463 on: July 24, 2009, 07:21:09 AM »
Maybe he's towing the company line.
He argued for priority picks to be removed in 2005 and the proposal was rejected by the AFL Commission.
With the head of the commission being Mike Fitzpatrick  :banghead

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #464 on: July 24, 2009, 07:40:31 AM »
JON wasn't a priority pick so why keep bringing him into it  ???. He was also drafted with our one man many hats Miller recruiting department.
Can't blame Miller for everything, Francis Jackson rated him highly also

Francis Jackson still reckons he will come good, LOL