IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]

[Ramps]

Do you think that Hawthorn would of won last years flag without Franklin. In effect Franklin was there priority pick as they would have taken Roughead anyway.

[cub]

Sorry. Legally we can't even muck around referring to you know what as it's puts OER at risk.

[Smokey]

Do you think that Hawthorn would of won last years flag without Franklin. In effect Franklin was there priority pick as they would have taken Roughead anyway.

When did they tank?

[Ramps]

2004 and 2005

[Mopsy]

'Tanking' is like 'Wanking' a very poor short solution to the problem.

[big tone]

'Tanking' is like 'Wanking' a very poor short solution to the problem.

I think the point is it gets the job done! 

[Smokey]

2004 and 2005

In 2004 Hawthorn won 4 games and finished 15th above us.  They won 2 games in the first 8 and then lost the next 10 in a row.  So what week was it in that outstanding run that they started to tank?  They won 2 of their last 6 games (beating the 14th and 16th teams) and were only beaten by teams above them (by 80, 44, 17 and 65) - hardly tanking.

In 2005 they won 5 games and finished 14th above Collingwood and Carlton.  They won 3 of their first 9 and then lost the next 7 in a row.  So what week was it in that sterling run did they start their tank? They won 2 of their last 6 games (beating the 13th and 16th teams) and only lost to teams above them on the ladder in the other 4 (by 48, 41, 4 after kicking 13 2nd half goals, and 54) - again, hardly tanking.

In the last quarter of both seasons they lost every game they should have, against teams that should have beaten them, by margins that required no tanking.  Nope, move on, no tanking here.

As I said - "no team has ever ever ever ever won a flag by tanking and it's not about to happen anytime soon".

[Hellenic Tiger]

'Tanking' is like 'Wanking' a very poor short solution to the problem.

Most of us have been wanking since 1980.

Maybe tanking is a modern alternative medicine.

Nothing conservative has been working since then.

Malakies.

[Hellenic Tiger]

2004 and 2005

In 2004 Hawthorn won 4 games and finished 15th above us.  They won 2 games in the first 8 and then lost the next 10 in a row.  So what week was it in that outstanding run that they started to tank?  They won 2 of their last 6 games (beating the 14th and 16th teams) and were only beaten by teams above them (by 80, 44, 17 and 65) - hardly tanking.

In 2005 they won 5 games and finished 14th above Collingwood and Carlton.  They won 3 of their first 9 and then lost the next 7 in a row.  So what week was it in that sterling run did they start their tank? They won 2 of their last 6 games (beating the 13th and 16th teams) and only lost to teams above them on the ladder in the other 4 (by 48, 41, 4 after kicking 13 2nd half goals, and 54) - again, hardly tanking.

In the last quarter of both seasons they lost every game they should have, against teams that should have beaten them, by margins that required no tanking.  Nope, move on, no tanking here.

As I said - "no team has ever ever ever ever won a flag by tanking and it's not about to happen anytime soon".

In rd 21 2005 we beat them at the dome by 4 points coming back twice from 5 goal plus margins. I think it got to 41 points in the third quarter that day. Even Fat Harry Taylor was making us look sloppy that day. If that day was not a tank I'll barrack for Carlton.

Even in other games the tank may not have been blatant as Carlton v Essendon in 2007 but I am sure the club knew what they were doing experimenting with line ups. The difference between other clubs tanking and us is the coach. Clarkson was given time to get a list competitive enough with the full support of the board same with Worsfold at the Eagles whereas at Richmond regardless of the list too many people from outside the caoching and playing group stick their nose in those affairs and for the most part the fans would have gone beserk. After coming as the Messiah in August 04 the ferals would have been wanting to kill him had we won 10 games in his first two seasons also had he wanted to go down that path anyway.

[Smokey]

2004 and 2005

In 2004 Hawthorn won 4 games and finished 15th above us.  They won 2 games in the first 8 and then lost the next 10 in a row.  So what week was it in that outstanding run that they started to tank?  They won 2 of their last 6 games (beating the 14th and 16th teams) and were only beaten by teams above them (by 80, 44, 17 and 65) - hardly tanking.

In 2005 they won 5 games and finished 14th above Collingwood and Carlton.  They won 3 of their first 9 and then lost the next 7 in a row.  So what week was it in that sterling run did they start their tank? They won 2 of their last 6 games (beating the 13th and 16th teams) and only lost to teams above them on the ladder in the other 4 (by 48, 41, 4 after kicking 13 2nd half goals, and 54) - again, hardly tanking.

In the last quarter of both seasons they lost every game they should have, against teams that should have beaten them, by margins that required no tanking.  Nope, move on, no tanking here.

As I said - "no team has ever ever ever ever won a flag by tanking and it's not about to happen anytime soon".

In rd 21 2005 we beat them at the dome by 4 points coming back twice from 5 goal plus margins. I think it got to 41 points in the third quarter that day. Even Fat Harry Taylor was making us look sloppy that day. If that day was not a tank I'll barrack for Carlton.

Even in other games the tank may not have been blatant as Carlton v Essendon in 2007 but I am sure the club knew what they were doing experimenting with line ups. The difference between other clubs tanking and us is the coach. Clarkson was given time to get a list competitive enough with the full support of the board same with Worsfold at the Eagles whereas at Richmond regardless of the list too many people from outside the caoching and playing group stick their nose in those affairs and for the most part the fans would have gone beserk. After coming as the Messiah in August 04 the ferals would have been wanting to kill him had we won 10 games in his first two seasons also had he wanted to go down that path anyway.

Yep, a team that won a total of 5 games, had the second lowest total of points scored for the year and the 4th highest points against is in such control of it's destiny that it deliberately chucks a game from 41 points up on a team above it on the ladder and this doesn't raise a murmur in the media.  And Clarkson spent this whole season tanking to get himself the club-sanctioned extra pick.  And this extra pick was the difference in them winning the 2008 flag.  Yeah right.

[Tigermonk]

Smokey ol fella your wasting your time mate  They cant take it in 

[Ramps]

Long live a winning culture.

We dont need picks.

We showed how good we are today.

We absolutely slaughtered the worst team in the competition.

It was just bad luck we didnt win by a nonchalent 10 goals.

Nevermind, next week we'll slaughter our next opposition.

Great win today.

[mat073]

WCE 44...Ess 19

Lets see the Eagles lose this.

[Ramps]

Well atleast if WCE wins thats one less pick in the order.

[mightytiges]

Eagles 29 points up at half-time. Although we need them to win to push us up the draft order I won't hold my breath.

Interesting stuff today with Bailey today flipping his whole forward and back lines around. It was like watching the U10s where everyone gets a go in every position lol.  You should have heard the Demon supporters ringing into SEN afterwards thanking Jordie and Richmond  .