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Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« on: April 14, 2009, 11:41:47 AM »
As a club we need to start planning for the future. Planning in footy, is about making decisions Now not for the Now, but for the future, you cant really tell how it works out for 3 or 4 years until your draftees have gone through the process. It seems apparent now that the drafting of 2004, 2005 and 2006 has failed and failed miserably. So the planning for the future should really start now, trade and draft strategies need to be worked on. A new coach seems inevitable.

The questions are many IMHO

1) Do we get rid of Wallace now or do we wait, if we wait - we could miss out on a good coach going forward.

2) Do we tank, to get the last of the concessions before GC comes in

3) Do we retire all the old blokes together in one hit, or do we retire half this year and half next year

4) What to do with blokes like Hughes, Edwards, McMahon and co. (and all the others)

5) Who can we trade out

6) What are our trade priorities - Ie. Who are the trade targets to come to Richmond

7) Football policy- do we go with a policy of picking blokes who can kick footy properly

And im sure theres heaps of other questions that need to be looked at.

In 2004, 2005 and 2006 we were failed by the recruiting of Miller and company. We shouldnt let it happen again.

AND LASTLY on the Issue of MILLER

At the end of the year, I will be forwarding a resolution to the club for the AGM. The resolution will be that no paid employee of the footy club can be on the board of directors. The disgraceful situation we had with Miller should never happen again. You cant have a General Manager (Wright) appraing the work of an employee and that employee sitting on the board appraising Wright.

It was just a disgrace. And RFC members should also accept responsibility for that, the members fell hook line and sinker for that rubbish. It cant be allowed to happen again.

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Re: Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2009, 04:46:11 PM »
what if we win the next 10 games straight, rather than panicking like you are you would be creaming your pants.

typical over reaction, its rnd 3, lets just wait til the half way mark and make an informed decision and make the right call when there is calm, not a rash quick decision based on emotion panic fear and hysteria

lets sit back and look and some facts, we played good footy for most the game v geelong and 1 quarter v the dogs. ok its not good enough, but its proof we can do it, we just have to find out why we cannot keep that level up for 4 quarters.

i wonder how all you panic merchants were thinking at quarter time yesterday!!!! no one was think tanking sacking and rubbish, we were thinking what a great start and if we maintain this we will cream the dogs, well we didnt we stuffed up and must find out why!
not make rash decisions based on emotion.

ffs some ppl on here  just make u wanna :banghead :banghead :banghead


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Re: Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2009, 06:46:03 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I knew Id get a response from you  :lol

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Re: Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2009, 08:30:37 PM »
We have too start figuring it out though!

Hughes and JON come in , stay in and are on notice, fail and you are gone come the end of season.

enough of pussy footing around with these guys it is costing us BIG TIME.

Who else is there? I would also chuck in collins, gone are the days of hanging int the ressies for 3-4-5 years, you can play or you idiot.

Way too many list cloggers - Cogs in after 1 more vfl match, if he is gunna come back he will show us! otherwise as much as I hate to say Bye also ......

WHO ELSE?

Shculz NOT GOOD ENOUGH - Edwards NOT GOOD ENOUGH  King NOT GOOD ENOUGH Bowden circle work going nowhere, were we not supposed to be taking the dogs on - ROFLMFAO@ that one.

On the coaching seriously Hardwick is my man, CAMPbell may be a tiger but how can you implore guys to be tough and at it when you weren't yourself. Seriously these kids would be laughing inside at hime trying to inspire if they jnew/saw how he played. As good a player as he was he was a softc0ck.

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Re: Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2009, 10:49:32 PM »
1) Do we get rid of Wallace now or do we wait, if we wait - we could miss out on a good coach going forward.
Achieves nothing to sack him now. Just more money out of the door (paying him out and then paying a caretaker) which would be better spent elsewhere (recruiting and development) and no list changes can be made until October anyway.

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2) Do we tank, to get the last of the concessions before GC comes in
Well if play like we have against the Blues and Dogs against most sides then we won't have to  :-\.

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3) Do we retire all the old blokes together in one hit, or do we retire half this year and half next year
Nup. Bowden and Johnson will retire this year. The other 4 you make a decision at the end of the year but most likely at least 2 of them will still be around next year.

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4) What to do with blokes like Hughes, Edwards, McMahon and co. (and all the others)
Jordie has another year on his contract and no one will trade for him so we're stuck with him in 2010. All list decisions should be made at the end of the season not after 3 rounds. A question now is who will stand up and deliver for the team.

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5) Who can we trade out
Depends on what other clubs want (they won't want our duds) and what we are willing to give up in return for their offers. This year there'll be no first round picks up for trade that's for sure. It's too early to talk trades after 3 rounds  :-\ but IMO there'll be very few trades again this year given it's the last draft before GC hog the 2010 draft.

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6) What are our trade priorities - Ie. Who are the trade targets to come to Richmond
None. How about we do something novel at Richmond and not trade any of our picks away for once  ::). We've picked up only 5 kids in the past two drafts. Now they are good kids but nowhere near enough. Need to load up again this year with a minimum of 5 or 6 in the National draft.

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7) Football policy- do we go with a policy of picking blokes who can kick footy properly
That should be a given with any draftee but you want more than just a good kick (on both feet). They need size, natural footy ability and smarts as well. No point being a good kick yet not having a clue on how to use the footy under game pressure. Being too specific is what lead to us drafting Fiora ahead of Pavlich also.

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In 2004, 2005 and 2006 we were failed by the recruiting of Miller and company. We shouldnt let it happen again.
Lack of resources. Everything was left to Miller and Beck before/with him. It was amateur hour expecting just one or two individuals to have detailed knowledge of 100s of kids right around the country. We were still recruiting like we were back in the 60s/70s.

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AND LASTLY on the Issue of MILLER

At the end of the year, I will be forwarding a resolution to the club for the AGM. The resolution will be that no paid employee of the footy club can be on the board of directors. The disgraceful situation we had with Miller should never happen again. You cant have a General Manager (Wright) appraing the work of an employee and that employee sitting on the board appraising Wright.

It was just a disgrace. And RFC members should also accept responsibility for that, the members fell hook line and sinker for that rubbish. It cant be allowed to happen again.
Sorry Ramps I disagree with you portioning blame to RFC members for that situation. We didn't send this club broke in the 80s from which the club is still recovering from 25 years later. If we had the money to delegate responsibility to numerous staff and provide them with the necessary resources required to run a professional AFL club then we would have. We were trying to run this club on the smell of an oily rag with Miller wearing so many hats he could have opened his own hattery. The current admin which the members finally had a vote on have put the club back in its best shape off-field in 3 decades. Still along way to go and it hasn't delivered onfield success but that's not the RFC members fault either. We've honoured our part of the bargain providing record memberships over the past couple of years.
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Re: Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2009, 12:25:49 AM »
We were trying to run this club on the smell of an oily rag with Miller wearing so many hats he could have opened his own hattery.
Don't know if this was intentional, but it's very funny either way as he did. His company made the members hats for a couple of years there.

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Re: Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2009, 04:41:44 AM »
Will you support my resolution MT?

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Re: Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2009, 07:37:37 AM »
Will you support my resolution MT?

Actually your resolution is an interesting one Ramps

Over at the Bombers Jackson their CEO is on the board these days and I reckon that is a good thing for that club. Under your resolution that wouldn't be possible. I suppose in a way what it comes down to is who do you're trying to block out

1) Do we get rid of Wallace now or do we wait, if we wait - we could miss out on a good coach going forward.

I don't believe in sacking coach never have never will, especially mid-season.

And although I understand your feelings I think everyone needs to just settle down a bit, take a deep breath and above all else take some of the emotion out of it. I said before I am gutted about this weeks loss but the emotional has to come out. 

All I will say on this one is that sacking Wallace is more likely to cost you the best avaialble coach, if you think the best available coach is going to take over mid-season. Using hardwick as an example i doubt vey much indeed that he would not take the job on mid-season because it makes him look bad.... SO in the interim we install a caretaker and history tells us that caretaker wins say 9-10 games they will get the gig end of story and doesn't necessarily means we have the best coach
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Re: Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2009, 11:31:58 AM »
Will you support my resolution MT?

Actually your resolution is an interesting one Ramps

Over at the Bombers Jackson their CEO is on the board these days and I reckon that is a good thing for that club. Under your resolution that wouldn't be possible. I suppose in a way what it comes down to is who do you're trying to block out

1) Do we get rid of Wallace now or do we wait, if we wait - we could miss out on a good coach going forward.

I don't believe in sacking coach never have never will, especially mid-season.

And although I understand your feelings I think everyone needs to just settle down a bit, take a deep breath and above all else take some of the emotion out of it. I said before I am gutted about this weeks loss but the emotional has to come out. 

All I will say on this one is that sacking Wallace is more likely to cost you the best avaialble coach, if you think the best available coach is going to take over mid-season. Using hardwick as an example i doubt vey much indeed that he would not take the job on mid-season because it makes him look bad.... SO in the interim we install a caretaker and history tells us that caretaker wins say 9-10 games they will get the gig end of story and doesn't necessarily means we have the best coach

You actually raise an interesting point with Essendon- Isnt Jackson the CEO? That would make it different to what we had going at RFC. In this case- the resolution would need to ensure that the CEO can be on the board - BUT NO ONE ELSE- the whole point is not to have an employee of the club - who is under the direction of the CEO or any of the CEOs subordinates being on the board.

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Re: Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2009, 01:19:14 PM »
You actually raise an interesting point with Essendon- Isnt Jackson the CEO? That would make it different to what we had going at RFC. In this case- the resolution would need to ensure that the CEO can be on the board - BUT NO ONE ELSE- the whole point is not to have an employee of the club - who is under the direction of the CEO or any of the CEOs subordinates being on the board.

That was the point I was trying (albeit badly) to make. At Essendon their CEO Jackson is now on thier board while still a paid employee of the club.

Granted it is a very different scenario to what we had the RFC. I am just questioning whether your resolution is workable.

I don't think you could a resolution that says the CEO can be on the board but no other paid employee can. I would think it would need to be a blanket across the board "no paid employee" or it wouldn't be workable.

And if you go down that path you have an issue with not being able to have a really good operator (in Essendon's case Jackson) available to be a member of the board
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Re: Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2009, 10:40:24 PM »
We were trying to run this club on the smell of an oily rag with Miller wearing so many hats he could have opened his own hattery.
Don't know if this was intentional, but it's very funny either way as he did. His company made the members hats for a couple of years there.
LOL I forgot about that Infamy  ;D.

Will you support my resolution MT?
I don't have a problem with executive directors being on a board as it's not unusual in major companies but yep you shouldn't have the situation where the CEO isn't on the board yet a subservient of his is.
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Re: Planning for 2012, 2013 and 2014 Starts Now IMHO
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2009, 05:47:58 PM »
what if we win the next 10 games straight, rather than panicking like you are you would be creaming your pants.

typical over reaction, its rnd 3, lets just wait til the half way mark and make an informed decision and make the right call when there is calm, not a rash quick decision based on emotion panic fear and hysteria

lets sit back and look and some facts, we played good footy for most the game v geelong and 1 quarter v the dogs. ok its not good enough, but its proof we can do it, we just have to find out why we cannot keep that level up for 4 quarters.

i wonder how all you panic merchants were thinking at quarter time yesterday!!!! no one was think tanking sacking and rubbish, we were thinking what a great start and if we maintain this we will cream the dogs, well we didnt we stuffed up and must find out why!
not make rash decisions based on emotion.

ffs some ppl on here  just make u wanna :banghead :banghead :banghead



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