Francis Jackson and the recruiters

[peggles]

Melbourne and Freo are now ahead of us because they (finally) cleared out all their dead wood and replaced it with lots of kids, not recycles. Get enough kids in, and you'll get some good ones. We at Richmond select so few kids that the chances of getting good ones is small compared to other sides.

Craig Cameron's career is on the line this off season, simple as that. Huge opportunity to do the right thing instead of short-term fixes to protect jobs.

would not agree that melbourne and freo are ahead of us now.

[peggles]

The smokie for me for us in the 2nd round is Ben Griffiths, hopefully he lasts that long. Depending on what pick we get in R1 it should be Butcher or Scully, beyond that its too hard to tell at the moment

i've been trying to keep an eye on ben griffiths as well. unfortunately he's been a bit injury prone and hasn't been able to get on the field.
maybe that will enable us to pick him up on the cheap.

certainly we need to finish with less than 5 wins, preferably with the wooden spoon, and get our 3 picks in the top 20.

[Francois Jackson]

The smokie for me for us in the 2nd round is Ben Griffiths, hopefully he lasts that long. Depending on what pick we get in R1 it should be Butcher or Scully, beyond that its too hard to tell at the moment

i've been trying to keep an eye on ben griffiths as well. unfortunately he's been a bit injury prone and hasn't been able to get on the field.
maybe that will enable us to pick him up on the cheap.

certainly we need to finish with less than 5 wins, preferably with the wooden spoon, and get our 3 picks in the top 20.

3 picks?????

[Jackstar is back]

Would never ever have gone for JON or Patterson, Patterson was hopeless for Northern Knights.

He was B&F for the Northern Knights in 2004 and CHF in the TAC Team of the year, even captained the TAC side.

Not saying he was the right pick, however not many players from that draft after pick 7 are any good.

he averaged 7 possesions a game in the 4 games he was tagged, give me a break will you. Wouldnt give rats arse what B & F he won

[jezza]

would not agree that melbourne and freo are ahead of us now.

Your opinion, but I'd take either list over ours right now.

[camboon]

Cant agree that Patto is a bad choice, he consistently performs at good (not great) level week in week out and carried the ruck against larger bigger and older blokes when he was developing. He had about 20 possies against Sydney and we dropped him in a bad move as we no one to bring the ball to ground in the hole or to do the second lead up the ground forward. I don't think anyone would accuse him of not competing and he was recruited as a CHF, why not give him a go there.

Now my favorite subject, why do we let coaches have a say in recruitment at all, it would seem they choose for the short term gain of themselves instead of the long term gain of the club.

No more national draft pick for rejects from other clubs, they never work out. If you want to pick up players from other clubs wait for the pre season draft - note Port Adelaide.

If we finish down the bottom and have lots of room in the salary cap, lets be smart this time about how we go about it. (Miller tried too hard and stuffed it last time )

Trade off players for the right price if possible for draft picks - this one get harder and harder - Please take note Richmond recruiters, clubs don't let good players go as a rule unless they  have baggage.

I believe we are going to have allot of player turned over this year - but remember there are only so many that can be moved on!!!!

Hopefully our recruiters do their due diligence and are not too ego driven to ask the opinion of other connected people who have a reasonable knowledge. I would sure as hell be asking the two Kevin's allot of questions Sheean and Sheedy. The time to be putting in the research would have well and truly started by now in earnest as if we don't get it right this time year heaven help us. Ultimately they will make the decision but pray they know exactly what we are getting.

Through all this Richmond needs to show strong leadership and not be bullied by the media or hysteria and needs to think with their heads instead of their hearts or we are still going to gashing our teeth about the same crap in the next 5 year plan.

[bojangles17]

Melbourne and Freo are now ahead of us because they (finally) cleared out all their dead wood and replaced it with lots of kids,

I dont buy that,  I believe we have 2/3 of a winning structure with a massive viod in the front half...the reality is two players could fix that...our defence , midfield and rucks are stocked with young promising players...Melbourne has holes all over the place and their stocks are for the most part unknown ...so no more or less better placed than we are with the likes of Post Vickery and Gourdis so to speak

[Stripes]

Good post Camboon but Patto hasn't set the world on fire to date and has been a good honest plodder in the ruck. Perhaps he will prove me wrong playing at CHF but I think he may be too slow for the position.

Patto reminds me a bit of Kingy - huge heart, leaves nothing out on the field but lacks the skills and talent to cement a spot in a quality team.

Sorry mate, I know you love the bloke

Stripes

[Infamy]

Would never ever have gone for JON or Patterson, Patterson was hopeless for Northern Knights.

He was B&F for the Northern Knights in 2004 and CHF in the TAC Team of the year, even captained the TAC side.

Not saying he was the right pick, however not many players from that draft after pick 7 are any good.

he averaged 7 possesions a game in the 4 games he was tagged, give me a break will you. Wouldnt give rats behind what B & F he won

Either his team mates were rubbish (plus most of the TAC that year), or perhaps there was more you didn't see, he best form was in the 2nd half of the year
As I said, I'm not saying he was the right pick, but its not like he was a left field selection, he had pretty decent credentials for a junior tall

Looking at the rest of the draft that year, it's not like there's many players outperforming him, not even close

In fact, care to name who you thought we should have picked that year? Looking at the 2004 draft in hindsight, after pick 7 if you take out Father Son picks and Richmond players then there would be 13 guys that I'd even consider having on the list, that's out of over 70 selections that year.

They would be 13. Bate 14. Monfries 21. Murphy 23. Rusling 24. Van Berlo 32. Prismall 37. Le Cras 40. Maric 45. Sherman 53. Taylor 56. Knights 58. Moran & 62. Egan

A few maybes even in that bunch and a couple who have terrible injury runs as well. We didn't miss out on that much, they are the best of a bad bunch.

[camboon]

Fair enough, but how about offering a suggested CHEF, Vickery, Putt or Cleave, Sarge! I will back Patto to contest all day long against these blokes to allow the crumbers to come onto the game.

Note the Saints - cant stand him, bit Milne and Kossy seem to make a mess of other teams defense.

Anyway I see a bit of Drew Petrie in him and Petrie didn't develop until he had been in the system for a few years.

[big tone]

Just to add to a disapointing start to the year imo is the fact that there is not even much left on our list we haven't seen yet. A few talls, ie Vickory, Post and maybe Putt (all by the sounds of it are a fair way off) but after that who is there? Rance has been outstanding, Gus has shown signs and Collins has been pretty good but who will be our next player to come in and make a difference?
All this tells me is we have not drafted enough kids over the last 1, 2, 3, years. We should realisticly have about 8 to 10 kids running around at Coburg leaning their trade and pushing for selection.
As somebody else has stated, the more kids you draft, whatever the pick number, the better chance you have of finding a few good ones. No more depth picks please, just young kids who can kick. (and run really fast)

[mightytiges]

I reckon we have taken a step forward under FJ...dont dismiss the impact of the coach on recruiting, he requests certain types that need to fill holes on the list EG McMahon and more recently Hislop and thomo

I'm not blaming FJ for McMahon, Hislop and Thomson. His main job is to bring young talent to the club via the U18s. But Cameron as football manager should carry the can for the latter two. He was employed to take list management decisions out of short-term whims of the coach. Now either he supported the decision to trade picks away to top-up or if he didn't support it then he didn't have the ticker to stand up to the coach when the coach is meant to be answerable to him not the other way around. Either way it is bad recruiting policy  .

When you look at our side even on the weekend despite the poor loss many were 3rd round and later National draft picks - Cousins, Tuck, Newman, Jackson, Moore, Foley, Graham, White, Nahas, McGuane and Collins. Add Connors, Thursty, Raines and Browne who have also played this year and may have a future at Punt Rd and it's very dumb to trade away these picks away every year. Only Morton via a trade has showed any decent form in his time at the club and he's now in and out of the side  but at least he has talent if he starts working harder. We've traded our 3rd round pick away in the past 3 drafts. It's just dumb not putting your faith in the draft when the draft is the only means to access the best kids and bring them to your club.

[Francois Jackson]

I reckon we have taken a step forward under FJ...dont dismiss the impact of the coach on recruiting, he requests certain types that need to fill holes on the list EG McMahon and more recently Hislop and thomo

I'm not blaming FJ for McMahon, Hislop and Thomson. His main job is to bring young talent to the club via the U18s. But Cameron as football manager should carry the can for the latter two. He was employed to take list management decisions out of short-term whims of the coach. Now either he supported the decision to trade picks away to top-up or if he didn't support it then he didn't have the ticker to stand up to the coach when the coach is meant to be answerable to him not the other way around. Either way it is bad recruiting policy  .

When you look at our side even on the weekend despite the poor loss many were 3rd round and later National draft picks - Cousins, Tuck, Newman, Jackson, Moore, Foley, Graham, White, Nahas, McGuane and Collins. Add Connors, Thursty, Raines and Browne who have also played this year and may have a future at Punt Rd and it's very dumb to trade away these picks away every year. Only Morton via a trade has showed any decent form in his time at the club and he's now in and out of the side  but at least he has talent if he starts working harder. We've traded our 3rd round pick away in the past 3 drafts. It's just dumb not putting your faith in the draft when the draft is the only means to access the best kids and bring them to your club.

well that might shut a few people up on here who still think trading for Thompson and Hislop was a good choice.

The need was for draft picks not supposed inside players who cant even get a game.

we stuffed up plain and simple

[peggles]

The smokie for me for us in the 2nd round is Ben Griffiths, hopefully he lasts that long. Depending on what pick we get in R1 it should be Butcher or Scully, beyond that its too hard to tell at the moment

i've been trying to keep an eye on ben griffiths as well. unfortunately he's been a bit injury prone and hasn't been able to get on the field.
maybe that will enable us to pick him up on the cheap.

certainly we need to finish with less than 5 wins, preferably with the wooden spoon, and get our 3 picks in the top 20.

3 picks?????

yes 3 picks.  say we get the wooden spoon with less than 5 wins, we also get a priority pick at the end of the first round.  hence we'd have pick 1, 17 and 18.  u

[Danog]

The smokie for me for us in the 2nd round is Ben Griffiths, hopefully he lasts that long. Depending on what pick we get in R1 it should be Butcher or Scully, beyond that its too hard to tell at the moment

i've been trying to keep an eye on ben griffiths as well. unfortunately he's been a bit injury prone and hasn't been able to get on the field.
maybe that will enable us to pick him up on the cheap.

certainly we need to finish with less than 5 wins, preferably with the wooden spoon, and get our 3 picks in the top 20.

3 picks?????

First round, priority pick for 2nd round, 2nd round.