Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal

[Harry]

A thought that has just popped into my head.  If we can mend the bridges with Ottens and persuade him to stay on AND we get Simmonds in the psd for nothing, then all of a sudden we would have a lethal ruck/forward line.

[WilliamPowell]

A thought that has just popped into my head.  If we can mend the bridges with Ottens and persuade him to stay on AND we get Simmonds in the psd for nothing, then all of a sudden we would have a lethal ruck/forward line.

True HarryH - They reckon we offered Freo pick 20 for Simmonds - by Friday Freo will take that deal - actually they should take it now. Unless of course they want Fiora or Chaffey as part of the deal. Then we should take the deal

[Harry]

I don't know why we would throw pick 20 at Freo for Simmonds when we have them bent over.  Pick 20 is a bloody good pick and is virtually a first rounder.  It gives us access to another u18 all australian.  We got Cogs at 25 FFS, and our first pick last year was at 21 !!   Just because we have a few early picks, lets not just throw away our other picks willy nilly.

IMO having numerous picks in the 20's and 30's is just as important than the early ones.  Geelong rebuilt its list with mid to early range picks and we need to stock up as many as we can get. 

This is why I would settle for picks 16, 32 and an early second rounder (say 21 or 22) for Ottens.  We need to think depth !!  We need to think long term.  We are not just 2 or 3 quality young players away from being a good side.  We are some 12 -15 good players away.

[mightytiges]

Agree Harry. I'd rather give them Chaffey and Fiora than pick 20. Freo were mad to say no.

[Rodgerramjet]

But I wouldn't think we would take it up MT. If we don't get the top ten and an additional 1 st rounder It will be straight to the PSD for Mr Ottens. Miller won't back down from here and I wouldn't expect him to (unless pick 7 goes elswhere and gets taken off the table as has been done with 6,8,9 and 10)  in fact I would be quite shocked if he did. Either get what we want or send him to the PSD, I have no problem with that.

[Fishfinger]

According to Sportal the Bulldogs have said they would trade pick 6 and Gilbee for Ottens if a deal with Geelong is not done.

http://http://www.sportal.com.au/football.asp?i=news&id=57232

[mightytiges]

According to Sportal the Bulldogs have said they would trade pick 6 and Gilbee for Ottens if a deal with Geelong is not done.

Chuck in their second pick (22) and it's a deal. If that's too much then add Ty, Chaffey or Fiora to the equation. That would give us picks 1,4,6,20,22 

[Fishfinger]

That would give us picks 1,4,6,20,22 

MT I think it's likely we'll send pick 20 to Freo for Simmonds, as originally offered. Freo should accept rather than lose him for nothing.
That would leave us still holding the ace in the Ottens negotiations in the form of PSD pick 1. Geelong and Sydney would then know that Ottens will be going nowhere without compensation acceptable to Richmond. I think they would up their offer.

[Puntroadroar]

If Richmond play the stubborn act for Ottens and we lose him for nothing then this club has well and truely gone down the $hitter.

And if we are forced to redraft Ottens with the 1st pick in the PSD then it will confirm to me that we are a joke.

This whole thing is starting to get up my nose.

[froars]

Agree entirely PRR - forced to redraft Ottens and lose out everywhere else - and then in the end be left with a player on our list we didn't rate - who didn't want to play for us - and at what cost!

[Jackstar]

dont panic, a deal will be done

[Fishfinger]

I agree Jackstar. It would be the best outcome for all parties.
I also think that if a deal is not done Ottens will realise he is staying at Richmond and re-sign before the PSD. Not ideal, but if Freo accept pick 20 for Simmonds it would mean we'd have Simmonds, Ottens and still hold PSD pick 1.

[Bulluss]

Chris Connelly was on SEN this morning and he was saying they are very keen to get Heath Black back from the Saints.

It has been reported that the Saints would be happy to recieve a early pick around 20 for him.

It is plain and simple

Simmonds to Richmond

Black to Freo; and

Pick 20 to Saints.

Pick 1 free for whoever has a fall out

[Disco]

I agree Jackstar. It would be the best outcome for all parties.
I also think that if a deal is not done Ottens will realise he is staying at Richmond and re-sign before the PSD. Not ideal, but if Freo accept pick 20 for Simmonds it would mean we'd have Simmonds, Ottens and still hold PSD pick 1.

What a scenario this would be!!

Miller might yet weave his magic, although Notto needs to come to his senses...

I hope something can be done with Gilbee and Bowden.

[om21]

Pick 6 and Gilbee for Otto.....................


WHERE DO WE SIGN?

Can we just pee this bloke off once and for all?