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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #150 on: October 07, 2004, 10:33:13 PM »
If this is true, Bomber Thompson is smoking crack...

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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #151 on: October 07, 2004, 10:58:28 PM »
Whether the deal is 11,12,16 or 12 and 16 the trade should be wrapped up ASAP. Because with one of these picks we could perhaps bundle it up with some players and make a play for the bullies pick 6, adelaides pick 8 or Carltons pick 9 and still manage to obtain a pick lower than 10 which is after all what Miller and co are after.

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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #152 on: October 07, 2004, 11:01:05 PM »
Just heard that Miller has secured 11, 12, and 16 for Ottens can anybody confirm this.

Enright>>Port >>Pick 11>>Geelong
Malony>>Melbourne >>>Pick 12>>Geelong

11,12,16 >>Richmond
Ottens>>Geelong

Deal will be done First thing tomorrow morning

If that's the deal we will have scored big time. 5 first round kids on our list in one swoop  :thumbsup.

 
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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #153 on: October 07, 2004, 11:10:30 PM »
Whether the deal is 11,12,16 or 12 and 16 the trade should be wrapped up ASAP. Because with one of these picks we could perhaps bundle it up with some players and make a play for the bullies pick 6, adelaides pick 8 or Carltons pick 9 and still manage to obtain a pick lower than 10 which is after all what Miller and co are after.

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I would keep the picks. 4-5 picks in the first 16 of the draft is a fantastic result as we have a great chance to not only get top quality kids but also improve our depth immensely.

Sports Tonight claim it's only 12 and 16.
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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #154 on: October 07, 2004, 11:20:37 PM »
Whether the deal is 11,12,16 or 12 and 16 the trade should be wrapped up ASAP. Because with one of these picks we could perhaps bundle it up with some players and make a play for the bullies pick 6, adelaides pick 8 or Carltons pick 9 and still manage to obtain a pick lower than 10 which is after all what Miller and co are after.

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I would keep the picks. 4-5 picks in the first 16 of the draft is a fantastic result as we have a great chance to not only get top quality kids but also improve our depth immensely.

Sports Tonight claim it's only 12 and 16.

That's what I'm talking about MT, for instance take pick 16 bundle it up with Rodan, chaffey or who ever and ship it off to say the dogs or who ever has a high pick available and exchange them, so our pick 16 becomes pick 6. Then we would have 1,4,6,12 etc
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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #155 on: October 07, 2004, 11:35:37 PM »
Here's a new one

Ottens to Geelong
Zantuck to Kangaroos
Maloney to Melbourne
Harding and Pick 12 to Carlton
Pick 9 and 16 to Richmond

Apparently agreed to in priciple at 8.30p.m tonight

It actually works like this -

Melbourne
Lose - Pick 12
Gain - Moloney (from Geelong)

Richmond
Lose - Ottens and Zantuck
Gain - Pick 9 (From Carlton) Pick 16 (from Geelong)

Geelong
Lose - Moloney and Pick 16
Gain - Ottens

Kangaroos
Lose - Harding
Gain - Zantuck

Carlton
Lose - Pick 9
Gain - Harding and Pick 12 (From Melbourne)
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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #156 on: October 07, 2004, 11:47:30 PM »
That's what I'm talking about MT, for instance take pick 16 bundle it up with Rodan, chaffey or who ever and ship it off to say the dogs or who ever has a high pick available and exchange them, so our pick 16 becomes pick 6. Then we would have 1,4,6,12 etc

No way the Dogs or anyone for that matter would give up pick 6 for a teen pick + Rodan, Chaffey, etc. They would only give it up for Otto himself (which I wouldn't mind if it was for picks 6 and 22 + Gilbee) or two teen picks at best. The latter although getting us a better pick denies us one less quality kid. By all reports after the top 4 kids the next 20 or so are a raffle and in that case I would keep the teen picks.
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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #157 on: October 07, 2004, 11:57:05 PM »
Just heard that Miller has secured 11, 12, and 16 for Ottens can anybody confirm this.

Enright>>Port >>Pick 11>>Geelong
Malony>>Melbourne >>>Pick 12>>Geelong

11,12,16 >>Richmond
Ottens>>Geelong

Deal will be done First thing tomorrow morning
Sounds like the rumuor I made up on BigFooty.  Sorry.  :-[

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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #158 on: October 08, 2004, 12:07:23 AM »
The Age picked it up Crumden  :thumbsup

Breaking News - The Age
October 7, 2004 - 8:50PM

Freo was also working on a three-way deal with Richmond and St Kilda that would see Black traded to Freo, Troy Simmonds move to Richmond and the Saints gain a second-round draft pick.

Should Richmond deliver its pick 20 to St Kilda in the triangular deal, that could enable the Saints to on-trade that to Carlton in exchange for Lance Whitnall.

That would then put Carlton in a position to possibly trump Geelong's bid for Richmond ruckman Brad Ottens, by offering draft picks nine and 20 for the big man.

That would be more attractive than Geelong's best offer of selections 12 and 16, with the Tigers adamant they required a single-figure draft pick and another first rounder in exchange for Ottens.

The Cats could get their hands on pick 12 - currently held by Melbourne - by trading a player to the Demons, possibly midfielder Brent Moloney.

Geellong could improve their hand by dealing a player to Port Adelaide in exchange for pick 11, with the Power believed to be willing to offer up that selection for a ready-made player.

The Ottens deal had moved painfully slowly after Geelong spurned an early-week swap with Collingwood that would have yielded pick seven.

The Magpies were now thought to be keen to pick up Hawthorn's uncontracted All Australian backman Joel Smith, but could be concerned at Richmond's pole position in the pre-season draft if the Simmonds-Black deal was completed.

That could force the Magpies into trading draft selection seven and/or a player to Hawthorn to complete the deal.

Trade week finishes at 2pm on Friday with a flurry of last-minute deals anticipated.

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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #159 on: October 08, 2004, 12:20:20 AM »
Here's a new one

Ottens to Geelong
Zantuck to Kangaroos
Maloney to Melbourne
Harding and Pick 12 to Carlton
Pick 9 and 16 to Richmond

Apparently agreed to in priciple at 8.30p.m tonight

It actually works like this -

Melbourne
Lose - Pick 12
Gain - Moloney (from Geelong)

Richmond
Lose - Ottens and Zantuck
Gain - Pick 9 (From Carlton) Pick 16 (from Geelong)

Geelong
Lose - Moloney and Pick 16
Gain - Ottens

Kangaroos
Lose - Harding
Gain - Zantuck

Carlton
Lose - Pick 9
Gain - Harding and Pick 12 (From Melbourne)

We better be getting something else with this, otherwise we've lost Ottens and Zantuck for only two picks :banghead
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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #160 on: October 08, 2004, 12:43:03 AM »
Agree fwoy plus the Cats are only giving up a player + a pick. They should be sending a player (Enright say) to the Power and pass Port's pick 11 along as well as picks 9 and 16 to us. 
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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #161 on: October 08, 2004, 01:15:01 AM »
Ottens poised to join Cats as Hawthorn brace for key loss
Greg Denham
October 08, 2004

A COMPLICATED five-club trade deal last night should today result in disgruntled Richmond ruckman Brad Ottens being released to Geelong.

And the exodus of high-profile players from Hawthorn could continue today with defender-midfielder Joel Smith contemplating a lucrative offer to join Collingwood.

The Ottens deal could send Richmond's Ty Zantuck to the Kangaroos, Geelong's Brent Moloney to Melbourne and Kangaroos forward Leigh Harding to Carlton and fulfil the Tigers' requirement as they gain overall selections nine (from the Blues) and 16 from the Cats. Carlton will move back three places in the draft and have accepted selection 12 from Melbourne, which originally came from West Coast to secure Adelaide's Tyson Stenglein. The deal includes a number of other draft selections swaps.

The 27-year-old Smith could follow Nathan Thompson out the door at Glenferrie Oval, three days after his vice-captain quit to join the Kangaroos.

Smith is on holiday in Bali and was last night expected to sleep on his offer from Collingwood and make a decision today whether to join his third club.

Hawthorn was last night resigned to losing Smith only days after chief executive Jason Dunstall believed the Hawks were close to agreeing to terms of a new contract for the two-time All-Australian.

Smith's manager Ricky Nixon yesterday said he believed a trade could be arranged between the two clubs today. "The ball's in Joel's court," Nixon said. "Collingwood just came out of the blue and offered him a lucrative three-year deal."

Collingwood may give up its first pick, No.7 overall, and swap it with pick No.10 which Hawthorn received from the Kangaroos for Thompson, starting a rebuilding phase which will enable the Hawks to enter the draft with the prime selections two, five and possibly seven. Fremantle yesterday clinched a deal allowing Josh Carr to leave Port Adelaide and join the Dockers on a three-year contract.

After much debate during the week, Port Adelaide accepted Fremantle's first three draft selections -- picks 11, 27 and 43 -- to release Carr, who will join his brother Matthew.

The Port Adelaide premiership vice-captain will be contracted for the next four years.

The Dockers remain confident a deal could be finalised today to secure Heath Black from St Kilda. Black started his career as a Docker but moved to St Kilda at the end of 2001. Whatever compensation Fremantle receive from Richmond for losing Troy Simmonds, probably a late first-round pick or an early second-round selection, will be offered to the Saints for Black.

And after unsuccessfully attempting to satisfy Richmond's requirements for Ottens, the Swans reverted to plan B yesterday and recruited back-up Melbourne ruckman Darren Jolly. Sydney provided the Demons with its first pick in the draft, No.15.

Aaron Shattock, a member of Brisbane's 2002 premiership team, is expected to return home to Adelaide to join Port Adelaide today after a meeting with coach Mark Williams.

Lance Whitnall remains contracted to Carlton for 2005 but negotiations with St Kilda for a trade will enter the final day.

Nixon, who is Whitnall's manager, last night expressed doubts as to whether a deal will be done.

"I doubt whether it's going to happen," he said. "Carlton appear unrealistic in what they want."

The Blues could today be tempted by St Kilda's first-round selection, No.17.

Kangaroos midfielder Jess Sinclair is on the verge of agreeing to terms for a new two-year contract to remain at Arden Street.

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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #162 on: October 08, 2004, 01:39:30 AM »
I don't rate Zantuck as anything more than a 4th round pick anyway so I am satisfied with this deal (picks 9 and 16).








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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #163 on: October 08, 2004, 01:50:11 AM »
Ottens set to join Geelong
By Jake Niall, Stephen Rielly
October 8, 2004


Brad Ottens heads to Geelong in a complicated trade deal.

Brad Ottens was poised to become a Geelong player last night in the culmination of a deal involving five clubs.

The key to the yet-to-be ratified deal was Melbourne obtaining Geelong's young midfielder Brent Moloney while Carlton arranged to swap first- and second-round draft picks, giving the Tigers the critical pick inside the draft's top 10 that they made an unconditional part of any Ottens trade.

Should the deal go ahead, as expected, the Tigers would get picks nine and 16 in return for Ottens, Melbourne would obtain Moloney, while, in exchange for picks nine and 25, Carlton receives picks 12, 20 and 36.

The Blues would also land Kangaroo Leigh Harding, while the Roos would receive Richmond's Ty Zantuck. The Kangaroos have already spoken to Zantuck, who has strong family connections with the club, at which his father Shane and uncle Arnold Briedis both played.

The most crucial portion of the deal, however, is Geelong's decision to forgo Moloney - whom the club regarded highly - to secure Melbourne's first-round draft pick (No. 12).

Once Geelong had shown a willingness to part with one of its fleet of capable young midfielders, the Ottens trade gathered momentum yesterday.

 Moloney is understood to have accepted the trade, having reacted emotionally when an upset Mark Thompson informed him that he was earmarked as the sacrificial Cat.

Richmond now has picks one, four, nine, 16 and 25 and is a strong chance to acquire Troy Simmonds through the pre-season draft, with the Dockers adamant they won't accept any offering that won't deliver Heath Black. Richmond's pick 25 appears to be all that is on offer.

Richmond's insistence on a pick inside the top 10 is believed to be based on its desire to draft one of three promising young talls to replace Ottens.

The Ottens trade followed the completion of yesterday's other major trading domino in which Port premiership midfielder Josh Carr went to Fremantle.

While the Ottens proposal was intricate, the Carr deal was straightforward - Fremantle's first three draft choices, picks 11, 27 and 43, were sent to Port, which had insisted on greater compensation but relented when informed that Carr was prepared to go into the pre-season draft.

The premiers said they were "disappointed" to lose Carr and admitted the fear of losing him for nothing, like Nick Stevens last year, had forced the deal.

"Whilst we could have made another statement and sent Josh to the draft, we believe that for the long-term benefit of the club it is important that we receive some compensation for Josh and look to use that to bring quality to our playing stocks," Port list manager Mick Moylan said.

"The result certainly isn't ideal for our club, but unfortunately the current rules don't allow for proper compensation for quality players who wish to change clubs."

It was no surprise that Melbourne gave up pick 12 for Moloney, considering that earlier yesterday the Demons had obtained Sydney's first draft choice, No. 15, in exchange for ruckman Darren Jolly, whom the Blues had also been keen on.

The Demons were able to trade Jolly, having effectively replaced the ruckman with a younger follower-forward, ex-Eagle Paul Johnson, who was traded for pick 29.

Port Adelaide has acquired Brisbane's Aaron Shattock, a one-time premiership player (2002), in exchange for Port's second-round pick, No. 35.

West Coast's Chad Morrison is another potential candidate for the pre-season draft, his future unclear last night. Morrison, who is returning home to Melbourne, had expressed interest in Collingwood and the Kangaroos, but the latter didn't have the draft choice the Eagles craved, while the Magpies were unwilling to give up their second-round pick.

Melbourne's Peter Walsh was set to join Port yesterday as part of the Carr trade, before the Power declined to include the Demon defender in the trade.

Kangaroo Jess Sinclair, who is out of contract and a potential trade, is likely to remain with the Roos next season.
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Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
« Reply #164 on: October 08, 2004, 01:57:30 AM »
The Age version costs us even more  :-\.

We gain picks 9, 16 and 25 for Otto, Zantuck and picks 20 and 36. Giving us picks 1,4,9,16,25 (Miller the kooky mathematician who likes his sequences of powers squared ;D)

Then we would either have to use pick 25 to get Simmonds (as part of the Black deal) or pick him up in the PSD.

If we trade for Troy that'll leave us with picks 1, 4, 9, 16 then a big jump to 52  :-\.
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