Who would be the more attractive proposition to coach: Richmond or North?

[Infamy]

Where has this mythical shinboner spirit been this year  ???. Sheesh even we flogged them. They need to rebuild and add more talented players to their ordinary list but they can't literally afford a couple of years bottoming out at the bottom of the ladder to get them. Catch 22 for North.

Don't think they need to rebuild, just keep on developing. They have one of the youngest starting 22s in the competition. Kinda surprised they got rid of Laidley to be honest, not sure they'll have the stability to attract a quality coach, they may not exist in a few years and Laidley wouldn't have costed that much to resign.

[Mr Magic]

norths list...you are kidding me...we have lids, cotch axel and now Tambling as the gilt edge to our midfield and they have

Totally agree. Only a fool (or RFC hater) would think otherwise.

[one-eyed]

Jake Niall's comparison in today's Age...

The coaching field is a competitive market, but it's also evident that clubs have different needs.

Richmond wants to win games. North needs to win friends and games, in that order. The Roos would like a decent salesman. The Tigers have just sacked their spruiker, and aren't so bothered about selling the brand — build a good team and they (the Tiger hordes) will come.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/more-ripples-in-coaching-pond/2009/06/16/1244918037038.html

[WilliamPowell]

Jake Niall's comparison in today's Age...

The coaching field is a competitive market, but it's also evident that clubs have different needs.

Richmond wants to win games. North needs to win friends and games, in that order. The Roos would like a decent salesman. The Tigers have just sacked their spruiker, and aren't so bothered about selling the brand — build a good team and they (the Tiger hordes) will come.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/more-ripples-in-coaching-pond/2009/06/16/1244918037038.html

Actually agree 100% with Jake Niall

North need a high profile coach to sell everything

What we need is a coach - who will develop our players and build for the future

[Smokey]

North need a high profile coach to sell everything

TW would be a good fit and he has recently become available.   

[wayne]

TW would be a good fit and he has recently become available.   

I wouldn't wish that on North.....

Carlton or Collingwood on the other hand..... 

[Ramps]

shinboner spirit is bulldust. it doesnt exist. its just a label to make North supporters feel better about themselves.

[blaisee]

i dont expect bux to take either job,

both will probably be offered to him

For the record, I agree with Jake Nail.

We should get a coach to coach on a two year deal, the list management should all be left to cameron, we are very lucky to be in a position were we do not need a salesman anymore

[Francois Jackson]

shinboner spirit is bulldust. it doesnt exist. its just a label to make North supporters feel better about themselves.

i remember saying that same thing to Brady Rawlings one night and he said the exact same thing.

THEY HATE THAT LABEL.

[WilliamPowell]

We should get a coach to coach on a two year deal, the list management should all be left to cameron, we are very lucky to be in a position were we do not need a salesman anymore

Spot on blaisee 

[the_boy_jake]

We should get a coach to coach on a two year deal, the list management should all be left to cameron, we are very lucky to be in a position were we do not need a salesman anymore

I'd give the coach three years.

I don't see what goals could be achieved in two. Clarkson finished 14th, 11th then 5th. Takes at least two years to get a message across IMO. Top 6 in 2012 might be a reasonable target.

[mightytiges]

Where has this mythical shinboner spirit been this year  ???. Sheesh even we flogged them. They need to rebuild and add more talented players to their ordinary list but they can't literally afford a couple of years bottoming out at the bottom of the ladder to get them. Catch 22 for North.

Don't think they need to rebuild, just keep on developing. They have one of the youngest starting 22s in the competition. Kinda surprised they got rid of Laidley to be honest, not sure they'll have the stability to attract a quality coach, they may not exist in a few years and Laidley wouldn't have costed that much to resign.

The average age the Roos had on the weekend was 24y 201d with 1785 games combined compared to our 22y 282d with 1242 games combined. So that's 2 years and 25ish games more experience per player than us. We had 14 Tigers under 23 y.o. (18 under 24) to the Roos 8.

Here's a comparison of the lists btw. The Roos 24-28y.o. age bracket is much stronger (we have the worst 24-28y.o group in the AFL) but our U24 group is better IMO and have gained more experience.

North Melbourne

Age (current number of games)

33: Simpson (300)
30: Harvey (269)
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28: Harding (123), Jones (147), Rawlings (191), Watt (154)
27: Harris (144)
26: Petrie (166), Power (117), Pratt (92)
25: Edwards (38 ), Firrito (117), Gibson (55), Hale (112)
24: McIntosh (69), Wells (130)
23: Grima (4), McMahon (41), J.Smith (5), Thompson (18)
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22: Campbell (41), Lower (32), J.W.Smith (27), Swallow (52), Obst# (3)
21: Adams (2), Riggio (10), Thomas (47), Urquhart (25), Wright (4), Wundke (-)
20: Anthony (-), Goldstein (8 ), Greenwood (3), Hansen (19), Tarrant (-), Warren (8 ), Delaney# (-), Gartlett# (1), Meredith# (-)
19: Benjamin (-), Ross (9), Speight# (-), White# (-)
18: O'Keefe (-), Ziebell (10)

Oldies: 2
Prime: 18
Young: 20 + 6 rookies

Games
200+:    2
150-199: 3
100-149: 7
50-99:   3
25-49:   8
1-24:   12 + 2 rookies
0:       5 + 4 rookies

Height
200+:    [3] Goldstein, Hale, McIntosh
195-199: [4] Hansen, Petrie, J.Smith, Tarrant
190-194: [9] Firrito, Grima, Power, J.W.Smith, Thompson, Watt, Wundke, Delaney#, Obst#
185-189: [13] Anthony, Benjamin, Gibson, Jones, Lower, O'Keefe, Pratt, Riggio, Simpson, Warren, Wright, Ziebell, White#
180-184: [12] Edwards, Greenwood, Harding, Harris, McMahon, Rawlings, Swallow, Thomas, Urquhart, Wells, Meredith#, Speight#
<180:    [5] Adams, Campbell, Harvey, Ross, Gartlett#


Richmond

Age (current number of games)

34: Richo (282)
31: Bowden (265), Brown (213), Cousins (244), Simmonds (188)
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27: Coughlan (89), Newman (145), Pettifer (113), Tuck (103)
26: McMahon (141)
25: King (35), Moore (58), Polak (106)
24: Schulz (71), Silvester# (-)
23: Jackson (59), Foley (82), Pattison (59), Raines (56), Thursfield (44)
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22: Deledio (96), Graham (10), Polo (42), Thomson (28), Hughes (16), McGuane (44), Morton (40), Tambling (85), White (48)
21: Hislop (11), JON (12), Nahas# (9)
20: Collins (9), Connors (10), Edwards (37), Putt (-), Riewoldt (36), Gilligan# (-), Gourdis# (-)
19: Cotchin (19), Post (-), Rance (8 ), Vickery (1), Browne# (1)


Oldies: 5
Prime: 14 + 1 rookie
Youth: 20 + 4 rookies

Games
200+:     4
150-199:  1
100-149:  5
50-99:    9
25-49:    9
1-24:     9 + 2 rookies
0:        2 + 3 rookies

Height
200+:    [4] Putt (202), Graham (200), Vickery (200), Browne# (205)
195-199: [3] Pattison (198), Simmonds (197), Richo (197)
190-194: [10] Polak (194), Post (194), Hughes (193), Schulz (193), Rance (192), Riewoldt (192), McGuane (191), Thursfield (191), Gourdis# (193), Silvester# (191)
185-189: [13] Moore (189), Deledio (189), Tuck (189), Bowden (188), JON (188), Jackson (187), Johnson (187), Polo (187), Coughlan (186), Cotchin (185), Hislop (185), McMahon (185), Morton (185)
180-184: [9] Collins (184), Connors (184), Raines (184), Thomson (184), Newman (183), Pettifer (183), Brown (182), Edwards (180), Tambling (180)
<180:    [5] White (179), Foley (177), King (174), Gilligan# (177), Nahas# (176)

[Smokey]

Very interesting info MT, thanks for the effort in putting it together.

Given that there are only 2 confirmed coaching opportunities for 2010, I suppose the million $ question is "which of these 2 lists would you prefer to coach"?  Looking at both lists in that light, I really believe ours is light years ahead of theirs.

[blaisee]

Very interesting info MT, thanks for the effort in putting it together.

Given that there are only 2 confirmed coaching opportunities for 2010, I suppose the million $ question is "which of these 2 lists would you prefer to coach"?  Looking at both lists in that light, I really believe ours is light years ahead of theirs.

what we have that they will never have is a long term future in Melbourne, nevertheless bux wont go to either club IMHO

[mightytiges]

Very interesting info MT, thanks for the effort in putting it together.

Given that there are only 2 confirmed coaching opportunities for 2010, I suppose the million $ question is "which of these 2 lists would you prefer to coach"?  Looking at both lists in that light, I really believe ours is light years ahead of theirs.

Not if you ask the journos  . They just come out with the 6 blokes over 30 line as though we are a old side yet ignore we have a younger 22 going around than North and we flogged them just 6 weeks ago. Take a 30 y.o. Brent Harvey out of the Roos' side and they've fallen to pieces. He's their only A grader.