World Cup 2022 Bid [merged]

[Carvels Ring]

If you consider a club to be bigger than the game, ultimately the club will suffer, but the game will continue.

This is so obvious you must be blind not to realise it.

[10 FLAGS]

You and I have a philosophical difference,  you support the game, I support Richmond FC and South Melbourne FC.

[Carvels Ring]

You and I have a philosophical difference,  you support the game, I support Richmond FC and South Melbourne FC.

Yep that's very clear.  You can support both though, without compromising.   The game will always be bigger, otherwise the game is the thing that could die. And remember, without the game there wouldn't be a South.

Nevermind, I am just hoping MV can get their poo together and make the finals.

[mightytiges]

'South is bigger and more important than the game.'

In just a few simple words you have succinctly explained why the NSL failed.

(And why clubs like South have no place in the A-League and now play in the 'Burbs)

LOL ... South has been around for 50 years and has just secured its future with a redevelopment and guaranteed financial streams, your A League clubs are up the creek without a paddle. When it all crumbles for the A League clubs, and it will crumble, South will be back.

The problem though Ramps is none of other old NSL clubs who didn't move into the A-league (not Adel Utd, Perth, Newcastle,Brisbane were/are in South's position. That's why the NSL fell over. Apart from one or two clubs the rest were financial basketcases with no supporters that were dying like flies. Was South going to play themselves every week?! lol. The whole sport was a broke thanks to Soccer Australia's dopey adminstrators. SA had its chance to reform the NSL and appeal to the mainstream when it signed that tv rights deal with Ch 7 in the late 90s but after SA promised Ch 7 it would to do so it bailed out because the NSL clubs protested and so Ch 7 put games on late at night at best or didn't show them at all. Soccer zealots have been blaming Ch 7 and the AFL ever since for that episode but it was the old SA's own fault. Ah those happy NSL days  .

In any case not sure what the NSL has to do with a World Cup bid as we were never in a position let alone a financial one to ever bid for a WC under SA/NSL's 27 year stewardship of the game.

[mightytiges]

Nice reply btw by Jake Niall in the Age today to Craig Foster's deluded bitter rants post-WC bid.


''The unpalatable truth is that if Australia cannot put together a bid without massive concessions to AFL, a game the world doesn't even know exists, we only demonstrate that we are not yet ready to host a World Cup, because we don't respect the game enough,'' Craig Foster, a round-ball game guru, wrote in The Sunday Age.

No, Craig. The game is respected enough. It just isn't self-sufficient.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/lowkey-reaction-from-afl-says-it-all-about-cup-bid-20101205-18lbc.html

[cub]

So in what comp/league does South now play?
Are they still based at lakeside? Going back when it has been converted?

[mightytiges]

So in what comp/league does South now play?
Are they still based at lakeside? Going back when it has been converted?

Victorian Premier League (highest state soccer comp.) and yep they are still based at Lakeside although I think they played at Olympic Park while the VIS redevelopment is going on. Finished 6th this year just one spot outside the finals after having points deducted for being naughty boys  .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_Premier_League#2010_League_table

[10 FLAGS]

So in what comp/league does South now play?
Are they still based at lakeside? Going back when it has been converted?

Victorian Premier League (highest state soccer comp.) and yep they are still based at Lakeside although I think they played at Olympic Park while the VIS redevelopment is going on. Finished 6th this year just one spot outside the finals after having points deducted for being naughty boys  .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_Premier_League#2010_League_table

Multi million dollar redevelopment and the club did well financially this year. all is going to plan. After the redevelopment South will be raking in big profits and the only thing left will be to see the stinking carcass that is New Football swinging in the breeze! 

[Carvels Ring]

What exactly is 'New Football?'

[Francois Jackson]

I don't know much about a league but IMO wouldn't it have been better off to have a second Melbourne team say based in Geelong instead of in Melbourne.

[Carvels Ring]

I don't know much about a league but IMO wouldn't it have been better off to have a second Melbourne team say based in Geelong instead of in Melbourne.

There was a group or consortium who tried to get this going but they were a throwback to the old ethnic clubs of the NSL.

[mightytiges]

What exactly is 'New Football?'

A term to describe Aussie Soccer post-2005:
Soccer Australia, NSL and the old ethnic clubs = "Old Soccer"
FFA, A-league and non-ethnic franchises = "New Football"

The sport should brand itself again as Soccer IMO. The stigma of the Soccer Australia admin has gone and with four football codes you need to distinguish yourself in the marketplace. However the euro-centric hardcore element mostly from Sydney hate the word Soccer.

[one-eyed]

World Cup mistake was playing it 'clean': consultant
Paul Tatnell
December 6, 2010

A key consultant on Australia's 2022 World Cup bid claims he was lied to by members of the FIFA executive committee before last week's crucial vote.

Peter Hargitay - who was rumoured to have been paid between $361,000 and $1.6 million for his services - told SBS in an interview to be screened tonight that Australia was originally promised six votes but ended up with just one.

"Before we went into the voting, we had six votes that we were assured of," Mr Hargitay said.

"We needed at least five to survive the first round. We always knew that the first round was going to be the crucial round. Of the six votes, we had one left and that one vote was claimed by two people, so you tell me what is honesty."

Mr Hargitay told News Ltd over the weekend that Football Federation Australia chairman Frank Lowy had "more access to the FIFA president [Sepp Blatter] than anybody I know because I arranged it".

He also claimed Mr Blatter "was devastated" after Australia lost.

When asked why FIFA would back Qatar despite its crippling heat and lack of infrastructure, Mr Hargitay indicated Australia could not compete with the money being offered by the resource rich nation.

"You go figure it out. What do you think? What do you think motivates people, 14 of them, to vote for a country the population of Zurich, to vote for a country that is the size of Fiji, to vote for a country where the infrastructure to play host to millions of fans still has to be created … You go figure, how can 14 men make that decision?" he told SBS.

"The most fundamental mistake we [Australia] made, and there can be no other way, is that we played it clean."

The full interview will air tonight on The World Game, 9.30pm on SBS TWO.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/world-cup-mistake-was-playing-it-clean-consultant-20101206-18m75.html

[mightytiges]

They'd have to be very naive if they didn't realise FIFA is corrupt. No surprise two delegates claimed afterwards to our bid team that they voted for us  . The Australia bid was also accused of offering pearl necklaces by the Age so we weren't totally squeaky clean ourselves. We just didn't have anything to offer politically to gain votes - no exco member, no confederation block of votes, no Oceania vote and no bottomless pockets. As for Blatter he tells every country what they want to hear and how much he loves them so I'd take what he said afterwards with a grain of salt. Qatar winning most likely keeps Bin Hammam (Qatar delegate) from challenging Blatter at the next president's vote.

[one-eyed]

The Age is back attacking the Aussie bid process. Anyone offering a case of wine?

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/fawning-to-fifa-officials-exposed-in-secret-documents-20101206-18mtq.html