Rawlings must get the job next year

[Hellenic Tiger]

Hardwick is our man plain and simple.

[Go Richo 12]

Was Knighter the coach of the Bendigo Bombers when he got the job?
Seems a little to familar to Jade guys if we want to use the Knights scenario!
Im a convert to Jade, but i can see valuable points in everyones argument and refuse to criticise those who dont want Rawlings. I just hope we all get behind him if he gets the job! If Hardwick gets the job then he'll have my support as he is a quality candidate too!

[Go Richo 12]

Daniel, you are twisting words to suit your own agenda again! I am basing my thoughts on the progress of the younger players not win/loss ratio! Wins do wallpaper over cracks, i agree, but for the first time in recent history it seems to be the younger players who are influencing the game not the older ones! That must be good!

Read what you just wrote & think what you said Go Richo

infact its a old player in Ben Cousin controlling the game every week setting up the younger players cause there to dumb to grasp that you must run hard & win the ball. tell me 1 young player who runs hard like old Cousins

I fully agree TM! Thats why recruiting Ben has been such a blessing! But Ben coming to the club and improving the standard of play of the Tigers is more an indightment on the predecessor than Rawlings.

[WilliamPowell]

Was Knighter the coach of the Bendigo Bombers when he got the job?

Yes he was

Seems a little to familar to Jade guys if we want to use the Knights scenario!
Im a convert to Jade, but i can see valuable points in everyones argument and refuse to criticise those who dont want Rawlings. I just hope we all get behind him if he gets the job! If Hardwick gets the job then he'll have my support as he is a quality candidate too!

I agree GR12 - whoever they appoint it is imperative that we get behind the new coach.

I have my own view on who should get the gig from the day Wallace left the building   Had a gut feel for who was the right person and I haven't changed my view but certainly have taken on board peoples arguments for and agaisnt the various candidates

Hardwick is our man plain and simple.

This is interesting - so many people are saying this but why? I am not so sure  

You make some good points WP and I agree that the best person should get the job BUT everything I have seen points to Hardwick being something special.

When Kighter got the Essendon job it was only by a whisker and that he had a more positive opinion  of the Essendon list, he also was the assistant coach at the club.

Since then Hardwick has won a flag at Hawthorn and I believe from what I have heard there are some similarities to how he went about it and 1980 with Sheeds.

Rawlings has done all the right things so far but there is a suggestion that its not just not Jade but the relief of TW moved on that is assisting the club at the moment. Rawlings has not had to deal with the tough times yet and might still be very good but I still like the experience, hardness and hunger for success that Harwick would bring. If Hardwick got the job I would love to see Rawlings get the Coburg job back though.

Have to say comparing to Sheeds in 1981 doesn't sit well for mine camboon

Have to also say I would love someone to explain how things are pointing to Hardwick being something special?

Just because he's played in 2 premiership sides doesn't carry as much weight with me as obviously it does with others. There are plenty of former premeirship players who have gone onto coach and have been terrible coaches (Watson, Hart anyone)

As I said I keep coming back to Paul Roos

[Ramps]

A coach needs to have a fair bit of mongrel, on the surface Jade doesnt show this, even as a player he didnt exhibit this, Hardwick on the other hand ....

As for Watson and Hart - they were superstars but they really didnt exhibit the mongrel element.

Richmond is a dog eat dog environment. The bloke who gets the job needs to swing the axe hard and fast, he needs to take no prisoners, and he needs to adopt a 'no sacred cows' philosophy.

[Infamy]

I'd like an example other than Paul Roos. There are plenty of examples of well credentialled assistants who've gone on to become successful premiership coaches at senior level, but Paul Roos seems to be the only example of a caretaker who didn't win a flag as a player or assistant but went on to coach a Premiership.

[Smokey]

A coach needs to have a fair bit of mongrel, on the surface Jade doesnt show this, even as a player he didnt exhibit this, Hardwick on the other hand ....

Ross Lyon, Neil Craig, Paul Roos, Mark Thompson, Alistair Clarkson.  Not too much mongrel in that successful lot.  Firm in their belief however.............

[Go Richo 12]

A coach needs to have a fair bit of mongrel, on the surface Jade doesnt show this, even as a player he didnt exhibit this, Hardwick on the other hand ....

As for Watson and Hart - they were superstars but they really didnt exhibit the mongrel element.

Richmond is a dog eat dog environment. The bloke who gets the job needs to swing the axe hard and fast, he needs to take no prisoners, and he needs to adopt a 'no sacred cows' philosophy.

I think the fact that Rawlings has doomed a few names to the Burgers is proof enough that he has some mongel! Smokey, what about Knights? Not much mongrel there either!

[Ramps]

Clarkson and Craig exhibit more than enough mongrel- Clarkson cleaned out the list at Hawthorn asap, his media appearances show he is a tough character. Thomsons playing record- Essendon premiership player, back pocket- tough as nails.

Only Roos is one candidate who probably didnt fit the categories.

[Smokey]

Smokey, what about Knights? Not much mongrel there either!

He hasn't done enough for me to class him as successful yet.

[Smokey]

Clarkson and Craig exhibit more than enough mongrel- Clarkson cleaned out the list at Hawthorn asap, his media appearances show he is a tough character. Thomsons playing record- Essendon premiership player, back pocket- tough as nails.

Only Roos is one candidate who probably didnt fit the categories.

So if this 'mongrel' can be defined by cleaning out lists or being 'media tough' then how can you judge a prospective coach who hasn't yet that that opportunity?  Would you have said Craig was a 'mongrel' before he was made coach at Adelaide?  I think you have confused strength of character and firmness of belief for 'mongrel'.  And as for Clarkson and Thompson being players with 'mongrel'?  Nah, sorry.

[bojangles17]

Hardwicks CV says it all. Premiership player at Essendon, Premiership Player at Port Adelaide. Premiership Assistant Coach Port Adelaide, Premiership Assistant Coach Hawthorn. Knights got the job coz he told the Essendon board that they had a good list and could make the 8. Also Port Adelaide seem happy to offer Hardwick there coaching job after Williams finishes.
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how many useless coaches do you need reminding were premiereship players...if I heeded your pearls of wisdom TW should have remained in the job

[WilliamPowell]

I'd throw Ross Lyon in the had no real success as a player but is doing a good job as a coach and he showed some mongrel by dropping the likes of Del Santo and Montagna - probably turned their careers around to a degree

Although the jury is still out in a huge way I don't think anyone can say Ratten had any mongrel in him

Neale Daniher was a reasonable coach and he wasn't a "mongrel" on the field either

[bojangles17]

"mongrel" c'mon, what kinda neanderthel view is that, we may as well have a rock ape as coach...the dynamic of this job has changed since the 70s when all one needed were a few scalps on the belt and vwala...the demands of this job involve managing 40-50 people ...this takes a decent callibre of person...and 3 goals in a GF or a mongrel of a bloke just wont cut it otherwise Roger merret would have been a fantastic coach...hope that clears it up

[Infamy]

how many useless coaches do you need reminding were premiereship players...if I heeded your pearls of wisdom TW should have remained in the job

It's not just his playing career though, he's been assistant at a premiership side too

I'd throw Ross Lyon in the had no real success as a player but is doing a good job as a coach and he showed some mongrel by dropping the likes of Del Santo and Montagna - probably turned their careers around to a degree

Although the jury is still out in a huge way I don't think anyone can say Ratten had any mongrel in him

Neale Daniher was a reasonable coach and he wasn't a "mongrel" on the field either

Ross Lyon - Midfield coach at Sydney for their Premiership in 2005 after arriving in 2004
Ratten - Remind me if he ever wins anything, very average coach if you ask me
Daniher - We don't want a "reasonable" coach