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« Reply #2040 on: February 17, 2014, 12:43:31 PM »

What goes around comes around.

The company, the cash and the split Liberal Party

By ABC's Barrie Cassidy 
Posted Fri 14 Feb 2014, 8:07am AEDT
 
When it comes to bailouts, Denis Napthine and Tony Abbott are caught in the war between economic rationalism and political pragmatism, writes Barrie Cassidy.

On the face of it, the Victorian Government's decision to bail out SPC Ardmona with a $22 million grant surely leaves the electorate confused about what fundamental beliefs underpin the Liberal Party.

How can the Liberal Party, at the federal level, insist that taxpayers' money should not be used to prop up unsustainable industries, while the same party at the state level makes a virtue of the practice?

Same party. Same company. Two very different philosophies. One undermining the other.


The difference in approach comes down to a clash between economic rationalism and political pragmatism. And how close you are to the problem.

The Abbott Government is now on a crusade to tackle the structural deficit. An important part of that strategy is to put an end to welfare dependency across the board, and business welfare is a part of that.

As difficult as it is for the Federal Government to reject the demands of struggling companies and accept the job losses that go with that, it is far more difficult for state governments at the coalface.

SPC Ardmona is a classic case in point.

The decision has shaken the Goulburn Valley and disturbed many Victorians. The same goes for Toyota's decision to leave Australia. Just substitute Shepparton for Melbourne's west.

So the Napthine Government has pledged $22 million "to transform and modernise" SPC Ardmona's operations. In return, according to the Premier, the company has pledged "to grow new markets and produce new products that better suit the modern lifestyle".

The Federal Government has lost some skin - and will probably lose even more in the short term - for trying to lay the blame for the some of the collapsing industries at the feet of the unions. The message has been exaggerated at best and not surprisingly, workers, as opposed to unions, have taken the criticisms of their pay and conditions personally.

But the Coalition now accepts that scare campaigns built around WorkChoices have made industrial reform almost impossible for governments.

Changes will have to take place from within.

To that end, the strategy is to place pressure on business everywhere to lead the way. The message is a simple one. Whether you're Qantas or Holden, don't come to us looking for help unless you are prepared to help yourselves. Do some of your own heavy lifting to reduce your overall costs.

That help won't run to subsidies any longer, but it can mean less regulation, tax breaks and an end to red and green tape.

We are about to see an example of that thinking as applied to Qantas. That company will demonstrate its industrial credentials and promise to do more. In return, the Government will try and free up some of the legislative restrictions holding it back.

And as part of the same strategy, the Government is trying to go over the heads of unions and persuade workers that at a time of growing anxiety about job security, they can do more to help themselves; essentially by eschewing some of the conditions that unions have imposed on employers.

It's a sophisticated if transparent strategy, and it can only work if the Government has the nerve to see it through longer term. And if it brings more consistency to the table.

The biggest fear for the Government must surely be that Bill Shorten and the Labor Opposition will be just as ruthless and just as shameless in prosecuting the case against the government on job losses as Tony Abbott was in prosecuting the case against Labor on the carbon tax.

At a time when all politicians were being marked down, Abbott appealed to the electorate to throw out the other lot; vote for anybody but that incompetent, big spending, high taxing rabble that runs the country.

Now Shorten is saying, vote for anybody but that cold-hearted, job-destroying mob on the other side.

Abbott introduced the disease. Now he'll need to find the antidote.

Barrie Cassidy is the presenter of ABC programs Insiders and Offsiders.
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2041 on: February 17, 2014, 04:36:31 PM »
How are the polls going for Labor?

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2043 on: February 18, 2014, 10:49:38 PM »
what a stupid article posted at top of page, fed and state have always had very different political agendas regardless of whether they are from the same party

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« Reply #2044 on: February 19, 2014, 12:13:47 AM »
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2045 on: February 19, 2014, 10:01:31 AM »
I wonder who will last as party leader longer, Abbot or Shorten

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« Reply #2046 on: February 19, 2014, 04:09:28 PM »
Jobs, jobs, jobs.

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« Reply #2047 on: February 20, 2014, 03:47:06 AM »

One term Tony. What a stuffing moron.

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Government pushed SPC to slash wages in return for bailout, union officials say
 
Ben Schneiders and James Massola

The Abbott government pressed SPC Ardmona to slash pay for workers by as much as 40 per cent under a radical bailout plan for the food processor.

Three union officials told Fairfax Media they had meetings with SPC Ardmona managing director Peter Kelly before Christmas in which Mr Kelly said he was being pressured by the Abbott government to put workers on the award if the company wanted a $25 million subsidy.

Moving workers on to the award would have dramatically cut living standards for hundreds of people at the Shepparton plant, with pay cuts of $20,000 to $30,000 a year for many. Other sources involved in the restructure have separately confirmed to Fairfax Media the Abbott government's pay push at SPC Ardmona. Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane refused to directly answer questions on the issue.

The government has been pushing struggling companies such as Toyota and SPC Ardmona to overhaul their workplace agreements as it has repeatedly warned about high wages, which has become a key political issue. That is despite the wage price index growing at just 2.6 per cent last year, the slowest growth in the 16-year history of the series


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-pushed-spc-to-slash-wages-in-return-for-bailout-union-officials-say-20140219-3314e.html#ixzz2tmrsD4PQ


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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2048 on: February 20, 2014, 06:42:41 AM »
Going by what I've read lately he probably wanted cuts to penalties. Touch them and I'll go stuffing berserk.

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« Reply #2049 on: February 20, 2014, 06:49:29 AM »
Going by what I've read lately he probably wanted cuts to penalties. Touch them and I'll go stuffing berserk.

Did you vote for him?

Feel free to tell me get stuffed.

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« Reply #2050 on: February 20, 2014, 07:00:34 AM »
No, I can't stand the prick  :chuck.

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« Reply #2051 on: February 20, 2014, 12:50:48 PM »

No money for Ford, Toyota, SPC etc but The Manly Sea Eagles get $10million.

Guess who is No One ticket holder of the Sea Eagles?

All this with a new WA Senate election looming


Tony Abbott Opposition leader bites Tony Abbott PM
 
February 15, 2014

Mike Carlton
 
'Any government which makes it harder to manufacture cars is making it harder for us to continue to be a first world economy because without cars, without steel, without aluminium, without cement, we don't have these manufacturers in Australia, we are not really a sophisticated economy any more.''
These thoughtful words, taken from the Liberal Party website, were uttered by none other than Tony Abbott after one of his fancy dress tours of the Ford production line at Geelong in 2011.

My, how things change. In his few short months in government, Abbott has seen off the entire Australian car making industry, with the loss of who knows how many tens of thousands of jobs and an even chance of plunging Victoria and South Australia into at least a local recession. There goes his sophisticated economy. It's a unique achievement, unmatched by any incoming government.

Given that the usual claque of chattering economists is now saying that this was inevitable - they'd all foreseen it years ago, etc, and no bad thing, blah blah - you'd think this is something Abbott might have touched on during the election campaign. But no, not a hint. You might also think that he and his Industry Minister, Ian ''Chainsaw'' Macfarlane, would have had some policy or plan in place for dealing with this tectonic shift.

No to that, too. They haven't a clue. As so often happens, the best the Prime Minister could do was to heap platitude upon banality. The Toyota workers would go ''from good jobs to better jobs'', he intoned glibly, as if that would fix everything. Chainsaw blathered on about creating ''a framework''.

When in doubt, blame the trade unions. This is a habit so deeply ingrained in the Liberal DNA that facts are irrelevant. Abbott first tried it on after the troubles at SPC Ardmona, making such extravagant claims about the supposedly feather bed working conditions at its factory in Shepparton that the local MP, Sharman Stone, one of his own backbenchers, publicly called him a liar. You don't see that happen a lot with prime ministers.

But with that Bourbon talent he has for learning nothing and forgetting nothing, Abbott was at it again when Toyota pulled the pin. Union intransigence had driven the company to the wall, a refrain taken up by Joe Hockey, who claimed Toyota executives had privately told him that very thing last year. That, too, fell in a heap when the company issued a statement to say that: ''Toyota Australia has never blamed the union for its decision to close its manufacturing operations by the end of 2017, neither publicly or in private discussions with any stakeholders.'' Oops.

Ah, but the age of entitlement is over, we're told. Unless you happen to be a needy football club, that is. During the election campaign, Abbott promised $5 million to the Brisbane Broncos - owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp, no less - to ''kick-start the revitalisation'' of their ''sporting precinct at Red Hill''. The Manly Sea Eagles were offered $10 million to renovate Brookvale Oval, which just happens to be in Abbott's electorate of Warringah and where he's the number one ticket holder. We shall see if those juicy bits of pork-barrelling make it through the coming federal budget.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-opposition-leader-bites-tony-abbott-pm-20140214-32r1i.html#ixzz2tp3PumTk
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« Reply #2052 on: February 20, 2014, 01:59:52 PM »
Another moron Liberal.

Medicare is funded by the taxpayers on a percentage of their salary. So the people who earn more already pay more.

This government is full of fools.
 

Medicare plans: Health Minister Peter Dutton flags overhaul, calls for discussion on GP co-payments

Health Minister Peter Dutton has flagged an overhaul of Medicare, suggesting Australians who can afford it should pay more for their healthcare.

Mr Dutton has used a major speech to declare he wants there to be a frank, fearless and far-reaching discussion about the health system.

He says the current system is unsustainable and he wants to "modernise and strengthen" Medicare.

He has told the ABC's 7.30 program there needs to be discussion around co-payments.

"Commonwealth and state governments contribute 92 cents in the dollar for those treated in the public system," he said.

"Therefore, one important job of the Abbott Government is to grow the opportunity for those Australians who can afford to do so to contribute to their own healthcare costs.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/peter-dutton-flags-medicare-overhaul/5270940
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2053 on: February 20, 2014, 02:22:13 PM »
Not sure it needs it's own thread  :-\

Couldn't it have just been added to the politics thread  ;D
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2054 on: February 20, 2014, 02:45:23 PM »

Merge away, mon capitaine

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