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« Reply #2205 on: May 05, 2014, 01:59:46 PM »
To think people actually voted for the snake on the basis they believed what he was saying  :ROTFL
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« Reply #2206 on: May 06, 2014, 10:04:51 AM »

Even Peter thinks the deficit levy/tax is a  shocker.

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Peter Costello warns Tony Abbott that proposed budget debt levy has 'no economic benefit'

By political reporter Latika Bourke

Peter Costello is warning Prime Minister Tony Abbott against breaking his promise not to introduce new taxes, saying the proposed debt levy has "no economic benefit".

The former treasurer's concerns are being echoed by the Government's Commission of Audit head, Tony Shepherd, who says fiscal "overcorrection" could hurt business and consumer confidence.

The Government has not yet said whether it will make the changes, but is considering introducing a new levy on higher income earners, arguing everyone needs to shoulder the burden of repaying the nation's debt.

Mr Costello, who the Prime Minister named head of the Future Fund earlier this year, says the Government's rationale is "political" and not economic.

"The argument for increasing income taxes through some kind of levy is all about the politics," writes Mr Costello.

"The proposed tax levy has no economic benefit; it will detract from growth by reducing consumption."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-06/costello-says-debt-levy-plan-has-no-economic-benefit/5432472



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« Reply #2207 on: May 06, 2014, 11:03:41 AM »
I have to humbly disagree with the greatest treasurer this country ever had in Peter Costello. If we have less consumption then people for example will eat less which will mean people will lose weight which will mean less people get sick and end up in hospital meaning that health costs will fall substantially. No one should be eating anything or spending anything on anything  ;D

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« Reply #2208 on: May 06, 2014, 01:53:54 PM »
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« Reply #2209 on: May 06, 2014, 08:14:36 PM »
I have to humbly disagree with the greatest treasurer this country ever had in Peter Costello. If we have less consumption then people for example will eat less which will mean people will lose weight which will mean less people get sick and end up in hospital meaning that health costs will fall substantially. No one should be eating anything or spending anything on anything  ;D

How does this fit intimate theory


Almost half of the world's food thrown away, report finds ...
www.theguardian.com › Environment › Food
Jan 10, 2013 - As much as half of all the food produced in the world – equivalent to 2bn tonnes – ends up as waste every year, engineers ...


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« Reply #2210 on: May 07, 2014, 07:17:59 AM »
Debt levy set to be watered down to those warning over 150k yet you greenys will still complain

Great move TA now let's just water down this PPL and we are over the line at the next election

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« Reply #2211 on: May 07, 2014, 07:37:48 AM »
Debt levy set to be watered down to those warning over 150k yet you greenys will still complain

Great move TA now let's just water down this PPL and we are over the line at the next election

This is good news, means I don't have to pay the stupid tax.

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« Reply #2212 on: May 07, 2014, 07:50:28 AM »
Now the OECD slams Abbots mooted budget! This government couldnt run an effing raffle!  :nope

OECD warns government against harsh budget

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/oecd-warns-government-against-harsh-budget-20140506-zr5rk.html

A week away from the federal budget and the Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development has warned that Australia's economy is too fragile to absorb too many spending cuts.


The top economic body has also advised Australia’s economic authorities to consider intervening in the housing market to stop house prices rising too much.

The Abbott government will release its highly anticipated first budget on Tuesday, which is expected to be the harshest in years.

But the OECD – whose job it is to promote policies that will improve economic and social well-being – says the government should "avoid" pursuing too much "fiscal consolidation" at this stage in the economic cycle.

It comes after the Commission of Audit last week recommended radical spending cuts, paving the way for harsh measures around welfare, ageing and the unemployed.

But the OECD on Tuesday said resource-sector investment in Australia – which has been one of the main drivers of the economy in recent years – will keep declining as key global commodity markets cool. At the same time, non-mining parts of the economy are unlikely to pick up.

That means the Abbott government should not dampen the economy’s chance of a recovery by cutting too heavily, too quickly.

"Given the near-term uncertainties in the rebalancing of the economy away from investment in the resource sector, heavy front loading of fiscal consolidation should be avoided," the report warns.


"Against the backdrop of the projected recovery, monetary stimulus should start to be withdrawn in the first half of 2015."

The report says Australia’s economic output is projected to grow by 2.5 per cent in 2014, and nearly 3 per cent in 2015.

However, some economic slack will remain and the unemployment rate – at a relatively-high 5.8 per cent – will not begin to fall until the second half of next year.

That means there will be little inflation pressure, which supports the Reserve Bank’s decision on Tuesday to keep interest rates at historic lows of 2.5 per cent.

But the OECD report says Australia’s economic authorities should not "rule out" manipulating mortgage lending rules as a "targeted means" to cool the housing market if house prices continue to rise.

It says the RBA’s decision to keep interest rates at record lows has been important for Australia’s economic recovery, but it has led to a search for return by investors that "requires close prudential oversight of markets".

"Tellingly, investors account for much of the recent increase in the number of housing-loan approvals," the report says.

The OECD report also points out that the Abbott government’s decision to hand $8 billion dollars to the Reserve Bank to help the RBA top up its reserve fund has contributed to the Abbott government’s projected deficit.
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« Reply #2213 on: May 07, 2014, 08:01:48 AM »
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« Reply #2214 on: May 07, 2014, 08:08:05 AM »
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« Reply #2215 on: May 07, 2014, 08:30:43 AM »
Is WP there?
Just wanted to hear your thoughts on TA plans to cut middle welfare

Surely even you being as biased as you are are happy he took this stance or you going to deflect to other issues

stuff ALP has stuffed this country up

Yes I am here

Let's just a get a few things clear though

Firstly the bulk of these middle class welfare payments were introduced by the Howard Govt - you know amongst other things that liltte thing called the baby bonus? That was a Howard Govt policy not Labors. It was then and is today a joke. It was wrong and it was never sustainable. The Audit commission report makes mention of these things

All political parties are guilty of throwing money at those who didn't need it. They have all increased welfare payments overtime to win voters. Suggest you remove your bias to towards the last govt and acknowledge that fact. They are all guilty of it

Am I happy that they going to cut some middle class welfare payments? Yes but and this isn't being biased I am angry that he is going to keep his Paid Parental leave Scheme. Yes it's been watered down but it shouldn't be introduced at all. If things are so dire as Hockey & Abbott keep banging on about then why go ahead with it? Oh that's right we dont break our promises. But wait a minute..... more on that later

God help the disabled, who knows what his plans are for the NDIS, seeing the Audit commission has recommended changes to that

As for what he intends to do pensions going forward. Well that borders on criminal.

I have said this before there is 2 groups that deserve as much help as they can get and thats pensioners & the disabled. Based on what's been reported about the upcoming budget he is failing them and that's a disgrace. That's not biased or political that is about treating those less fortunate the right way

And isn't it fantastic to see he is a typical pollie breaking promises.

No new taxes he bellowed pre election.

Now we are likely to have to pay a new levy. Which when using Tony's logic is in fact a tax because when the Floods levy was introduced Tony said that was a tax not a levy. But now it seems it is a levy not a tax.

So yes happy he is getting rid of some middle class welfare but would be happier if he flicked his stupid Pd Parental Leave Scheme, flicked some of the perks still afford to retired pollies and showed all us that the "age of entitlement" is indeed over across the board not just in certain places

sorry WP but you are biased and so is your opinion esp re: PPL where mine is not otherwise i would be furious with the debt levy which i am not and applauding the proposed PPL scheme.

Why didnt your beloved Labour attempt to remove the scheme? Facts are most developed countries have something similar in particular the best performing ones who have a larger . I don't agree with the abbott proposal but the current form is fine.

so the new tax levy is being watered down to those over 150k and your thoughts on that are?

re:  pensioners
Hasn't the eligibility age of 65 been the same for 100 years, so you would think with medicine we are living longer so IMO it should be adjusted with life expectancy. 

While we are at it, include the family home as an asset.
Sorry but there are middle/high class Australians with 2/3/4 million dollar homes paid off, receiving the full pension and that's wrong. 
I say follow the audit and include the family home regardless of value.

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« Reply #2216 on: May 07, 2014, 09:05:22 AM »


U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 06 May 2014 at 11:04:36 PM GMT is:
$ 1 7 , 4 7 5 , 6 9 4 , 4 2 0 , 4 7 9 . 7 4

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« Reply #2217 on: May 07, 2014, 09:08:13 AM »
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« Reply #2219 on: May 10, 2014, 10:17:01 AM »
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