Exposing the Tigers' underbelly (Age)

[Diocletian]

What's griff done at sen level, someone recap I must have blinked and missed it, he can barely chalk up more than 7-8 possessions and beyond taking marks over Eddie betts types has proved next to useless when clutching marks i50. TV kicks goals even when stinking it up. He s 10 times the player griff is right now, fact.

I see old bo's forgotten to take his alzheimer's medication again.

[Loui Tufga]

I hate to bring up the Port comparison again but they were in a far worse position than we were through the compromised drafts yet they managed to choose wisely and bring actual match winners into there side, guys who can change games not just honest footballers.
Wines, Wingard, Monfries, Ebert, Impy and White are the only guys that have come into the side since they finished second last 2 seasons ago they haven't had a second or third rounder from the past 3 drafts come into the side. It's been these 6 guys plus a coach that knows what he's doing that has propelled Port up the ladder. Blaming the compromised draft is a joke.

[Willy]

Just on the Griff thing. How many games has he played? 20? less?
TV has played 4 times that.  Doesnt looks like he wants to play many more though.

[Tigeritis™©®]

I hate to bring up the Port comparison again but they were in a far worse position than we were through the compromised drafts yet they managed to choose wisely and bring actual match winners into there side, guys who can change games not just honest footballers.
Wines, Wingard, Monfries, Ebert, Impy and White are the only guys that have come into the side since they finished second last 2 seasons ago they haven't had a second or third rounder from the past 3 drafts come into the side. It's been these 6 guys plus a coach that knows what he's doing that has propelled Port up the ladder. Blaming the compromised draft is a joke.

Spot on.

At Port its;
A coach that demands the best.
All the players are on board.
He says "we will never give up!"  And that's just what they do!
Looks like everyone's on the same page
There's no big heads & its team first.

At Richmond its;
A Prima Donna Paradise!
A Ballerina Battlefield!
A Limpwristed Lickfest!
A Mediocrity Mecca!
A Sissy Society!
A Fairy Festival!
A Lollipop Lala-land!
A Nancy-boy Nirvana!
An Egg-clubs Eden!

[(•))(©™]

The culture is fuckd.

It's engrained.

The place is severely lacking genuine soul from those who matter.

More a club than a team.

[eliminator]

We are getting exposed for poor drafting decisions. Eg fail to draft a small forward and failure to invest in youth in the main draft. We have lost leg speed eg loss of White and we are paying for it. We have failed completely to recruit a genuine line breaker.

[🏅Dooks]

Its actually ridiculous.

You couldnt script poorer decision making over the last 30 years without it looking like a slapstick sports movie.

But somehow we always find a way.

Anyone sick of this poo?

[Mr Magic]

What's griff done at sen level, someone recap I must have blinked and missed it, he can barely chalk up more than 7-8 possessions and beyond taking marks over Eddie betts types has proved next to useless when clutching marks i50. TV kicks goals even when stinking it up. He s 10 times the player griff is right now, fact ...don't get me started in Hampson , he should be out of the team

10 times the player? Don't think so.
Griffiths has been good in the ruck by comparison with Ty and is also putting on a lot more pressure around the ground. Prefer Griff at CHF but yes he needs to continue to work on his game because he is a long way still from where he needs to be.
Ty has only really shown that he can really only play deep towards goal. Exactly where Jack is playing right now..

[Tigeritis™©®]

We are getting exposed for poor drafting decisions. Eg fail to draft a small forward and failure to invest in youth in the main draft. We have lost leg speed eg loss of White and we are paying for it. We have failed completely to recruit a genuine line breaker.

But why does this always happen?
Why is there always a merry-go-round of poor decisions?
Why do guys like Hardwick, nurtured at successful clubs, uncompromising on field in his toughness & endeavour only to compromise on everything he seemingly stood for?
Why do our players become Prima Donnas when they haven't achieved anything?
Why is it that we struggle so much just to make finals?
Why is it that poor drafting is seemingly always an issue?
Why is it that development is always a problem besides the $$$ the club has invested?
Why do we ask the same questions & bitch about the same issues every 3-5 years???

....its Tigeritis.
It's bad culture: A lot probably are rolling there eyes but that's what I call it.
OX says the club lost its soul and I totally agree with that. It probably happened sometime in '83 & it's progressively got worse ever since.
 
Nothing will change unless this is addressed first. I always hope that a new coach will do this and there's no way of really knowing until you see results come to fruition.
Everyone starts to play for each other, there's hardness, there's no spectators, a youngsters slots in without any disruption to team continuity, consistant performances, never give up attitudes, fight for one another, etc etc etc.

It's not just bad decisions, those decisions are a by product of poor culture.
At Richmond it's worse than any club.
Because of us, starved of success as we are we go crazy with excitement at anything remotely positive and that frenzy blinds the club of the its true status. 

We need a strong leader that can withstand the overlay of hype and stand firm on the foundations of excellence he implements at the beginning. Someone who is uncompromising with high standards of excellence and will not waver from its coarse.
Only someone with strong convictions that is willing to see through the frenzy that masks mediocrity.

I hope we can find someone before the throngs of supporters we have turn apathetic to footy. I know my teenage kids aren't like me and I reckon when I get grand kids it might already be too late.

I truly thought Hardwick was the one but he's totally blinded. He had the disease and he already a goner.
Who can be this footy savior for us?

[YellowandBlackBlood]

We are getting exposed for poor drafting decisions. Eg fail to draft a small forward and failure to invest in youth in the main draft. We have lost leg speed eg loss of White and we are paying for it. We have failed completely to recruit a genuine line breaker.

But why does this always happen?
Why is there always a merry-go-round of poor decisions?
Why do guys like Hardwick, nurtured at successful clubs, uncompromising on field in his toughness & endeavour only to compromise on everything he seemingly stood for?
Why do our players become Prima Donnas when they haven't achieved anything?
Why is it that we struggle so much just to make finals?
Why is it that poor drafting is seemingly always an issue?
Why is it that development is always a problem besides the $$$ the club has invested?
Why do we ask the same questions & bitch about the same issues every 3-5 years???

....its Tigeritis.
It's bad culture: A lot probably are rolling there eyes but that's what I call it.
OX says the club lost its soul and I totally agree with that. It probably happened sometime in '83 & it's progressively got worse ever since.
 
Nothing will change unless this is addressed first. I always hope that a new coach will do this and there's no way of really knowing until you see results come to fruition.
Everyone starts to play for each other, there's hardness, there's no spectators, a youngsters slots in without any disruption to team continuity, consistant performances, never give up attitudes, fight for one another, etc etc etc.

It's not just bad decisions, those decisions are a by product of poor culture.
At Richmond it's worse than any club.
Because of us, starved of success as we are we go crazy with excitement at anything remotely positive and that frenzy blinds the club of the its true status. 

We need a strong leader that can withstand the overlay of hype and stand firm on the foundations of excellence he implements at the beginning. Someone who is uncompromising with high standards of excellence and will not waver from its coarse.
Only someone with strong convictions that is willing to see through the frenzy that masks mediocrity.

I hope we can find someone before the throngs of supporters we have turn apathetic to footy. I know my teenage kids aren't like me and I reckon when I get grand kids it might already be too late.

I truly thought Hardwick was the one but he's totally blinded. He had the disease and he already a goner.
Who can be this footy savior for us?

I'm probably on the same wavelength as you my friend but I am prepared to give Hardwick till the end of the year to show us if he has the kahunas to make the tough decisions.  This is only because he had us finishing 5th at the end of the home and away season last year.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.

[(•))(©™]

Its actually ridiculous.

You couldnt script poorer decision making over the last 30 years without it looking like a slapstick sports movie.

But somehow we always find a way.

Anyone sick of this poo?

Yes, Dookles.
I'm so sick of it that i had to grow up.
Its like, if you take all the grief one has in their personal lives, the RFC consistently represent all those negative emotions and anxieties and display them as a sobering reminder, good things DON'T come to those who wait !

[Owl]

magic thats a cop out. Look at the pies as an example and see how their under 50 gamers are coping with the big league.

No one forced them to play Maric last when clearly he wasnt right. No one forced them to get rid our only fast runner. No one forces them to play the same blokes week in week out then when poo hits the fan they have to run around and start picking youngsters. No one forces them to recruit Graham and not attempt to Mcevoy. No one forces them to recruit Thomas and then select him ahead of Miles.

Pies team who played Essendon Anzac day. I put this in because this is a team with a few stars but many players who play for their jumper. I soldier out one soldier in is what clarkson says.


Dayne Beams   
Sidebottom   
Dane Swan   
Jamie Elliott   
Luke Ball   
Clinton Young            
Harry Lumumba   
Tyson Goldsack   
Tom Langdon          
Brodie Grundy   
Jarrod Witts   
Travis Cloke   
Jesse White   
Brent Macaffer   
Josh Thomas    
Jarryd Blair   
Nick Maxwell   
Lachlan Keeffe   
Alan Toovey
Jack Frost   
Alex Fasolo

its called pride, endeavour and willingness to work for your teammates. Outside of about 3 players our playing list are weak as pee and are like that because the coach allows them to be.

I dont particulary like Buckely persona but he is a perfectionist in everything he does. The way he speaks the way he act  in public and he would demand excellence from his club as was evident last year when he offloaded some favourite sons.

Dimma will be joining the centrelink queue very soon unless he adopts a similar stance.

He joined our clubs all guns blazing we are "not taking short cuts" but gee look at us now.

i reckon he is as weak and timid  as Titch Tambling

Can we ban this man for gushing over these scumbag arseholes?  I nearly threw up, im still dry reaching, this is stuffing blasphemy on a tigers site !

[eliminator]

There is a cultural problem at Richmond in relation to how we play football. When the chips are down too much is left to too few. The financial side of the club is now well managed. Gale is an astute operator as is the President. Maric is the spiritual leader at the club. Maric is one of the few at the club who can rise to a challenge eg his goal against Carlton last year. Maric was recruited from out of the club. In recent times the most inspiration players at the club have come from other clubs eg Broderick from Fitzroy and Tuck from Hawthorn. It appears to me in the current side apart from Jack Dustin, Jackson(only since the last season) Lids and Cotch the more senior players who have started their careers at the Tigers have not developed into influential players eg Shane Edwards. This year we are without Tuck. Tuck although he may not have been the most skilled player led from the front and had an outstanding work ethic. His battle to get into the senior side over the last years of him playing at the club showed what a true professional footballer should be. The young players need to be modelled on that sort of attitude.  It appears to me that Hardwick is only reacting when under pressure from the media eg dropping Vickery. Hardwick to change the culture needs to be proactive and ruthless. No player should be safe from being dropped and he should reward only those who show they are prepared to put their body on the line when things are not going right.

[the claw]

come seasons end when the dust settles on a poor yr and the club goes to the nd and brings in 4 or 5 new kids there will be those singing there praises. the same ones every yr expecting things to get better with the exact same people in charge of things. we could sack hardwick because of poor performance but we can sure as hell keep our recruiting manager and list manager and even praise em up.

what is that old saying it goes like this

its the epitomy of madness to do the same things over and over expecting different results.

unless we identify the real problem first and change things we have no chance of improving and changing things.

imo supporters target every yr the wrong people. sack hardwick sack the president but what we should be demanding every 4 or 5 yrs is a Totally INDEPENDENT REVIEW of  the  WHOLE FOOTY DEPT. WITH RECRUITING AND LIST MANAGEMENT THE PRIMARY TARGETS.
If we did this last yr im certain jackson hartley and others would be at least on notice if not gone.

it has been patently clear that we have never ever had a list that is genuinely top 8 some of us did say that ;last yr. we are a middling team always have been and we are in the mix with a whole pile of clubs who will go straight past us if we cant at least acknowledge where the list is really at.

[Tigeritis™©®]

come seasons end when the dust settles on a poor yr and the club goes to the nd and brings in 4 or 5 new kids there will be those singing there praises. the same ones every yr expecting things to get better with the exact same people in charge of things. we could sack hardwick because of poor performance but we can sure as hell keep our recruiting manager and list manager and even praise em up.

what is that old saying it goes like this

its the epitomy of madness to do the same things over and over expecting different results.

unless we identify the real problem first and change things we have no chance of improving and changing things.

imo supporters target every yr the wrong people. sack hardwick sack the president but what we should be demanding every 4 or 5 yrs is a Totally INDEPENDENT REVIEW of  the  WHOLE FOOTY DEPT. WITH RECRUITING AND LIST MANAGEMENT THE PRIMARY TARGETS.
If we did this last yr im certain jackson hartley and others would be at least on notice if not gone.

it has been patently clear that we have never ever had a list that is genuinely top 8 some of us did say that ;last yr. we are a middling team always have been and we are in the mix with a whole pile of clubs who will go straight past us if we cant at least acknowledge where the list is really at.

I agree with you Claw.
With a regular independent review then every one is always on notice. I like it. It should be done every year like preventative maintenance schedules.

I know I go on about it but Culture is the most important thing to a club IMHO.
If the bar is consistently raised and everyone is striving for excellence then improvement will be achieved in every department. 

The bar is too low at Punt road. Mediocrity is allowed and it's the disease that blinds reality & kills success.