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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #195 on: July 18, 2021, 11:20:21 AM »
Chankervis was pretty amazing. I fear Chol will get toweled against Geelong though
Against who? Stanley? Ratugolea?

Not the best rucks those two just ask any Geelong fan.  :rollin

We already know IF we are able to bring pressure on ball carrier these precise controlled possession teams are suspect and the game plan always crumbles under constant pressure.

If this season has taught us anything it’s that anyone can beat anyone.

…that said I’m not confident Chol can string two good games together.  :rollin
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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #196 on: July 18, 2021, 11:34:47 AM »
Chol has all the tools to make an impact each week, he’s just too inconsistent. Unfortunately I don’t think we are in the position to not offer him a contract with our ruck situation

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #197 on: July 18, 2021, 04:20:13 PM »
1 vs 1 I don’t actually think Chol can go against Stanley. My concern with Chol is general play. He seems to struggle to stay involved. If we get a mismatch and he’s 1vs1 against Henderson he might kick a bag though!

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #198 on: July 21, 2021, 02:36:45 PM »
Leigh Matthews is adamant that the second ruck role has long been “underrated” and that having a good one can go a long way to winning games of football.

This comes after the AFL legend witnessed Richmond’s Mabior Chol tear up the Lions at Metricon Stadium last Friday with four goals, 12 hit-outs and 10 disposals as the second ruckman.

“This hit me watching the Lions play Richmond on Friday night,” Matthews told Sportsday.

“Mabior Chol was the second ruckman for Richmond and he kicked four goals and jumped well as the second ruck.

“It just hit me how important that role is.

“(Mark) Blicavs, (Rowan) Marshall, (Tim) English, (Jonathon) Ceglar - they’re not great first ruckmen, but because they can be goalkickers and flexible as Blicavs is, they are really valuable players to back up whoever the main ruckman is.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/21/matthews-highlights-an-underrated-position-in-football/

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #199 on: July 21, 2021, 07:44:35 PM »
The thing that bugs me the most is when ruckman go up unopposed and hit it straight to opposition mids. Chol does that often. Hopefully can see that disappear from his game the more experience he gets.

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #200 on: June 21, 2022, 03:12:16 PM »
Asked about Soldo, Balme replied we're "aiming for two rucks [by finals time] but we're taking it week by week".

Go to 8:00 min mark: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1010163

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #201 on: March 23, 2023, 04:09:37 PM »
Dimma in his presser today said we want Nank to take about 80% of the ruck workload. So, it's the remaining 20 to 25% (sic) we need to fill in as 2nd ruck. Dimma added that whether we play a ruck-back (Miller) or a ruck-forward (Ryan) will be horses for courses depending on how we can threaten the opposition. No mention of Soldo by the way.

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Ruckman Toby Nankervis dominated Carlton's Tom De Koning first-up but faces a sterner test against Adelaide big man Reilly O'Brien.

The Tigers opted for defender Ben Miller as a pinch-hitter but could also turn to ruck-forward Samson Ryan at the Adelaide Oval.

"It's one we're still trying to work our way through," Hardwick said.

"So it might just be horses for courses. Sometimes we might go with the ruck-back philosophy, sometimes we might go with the ruck-forward philosophy.

"We've just got to figure out what works for us, but also, what's a bit dangerous for the opposition as well. So that will change probably from week to week."

"We really like Toby in the ruck for 80 per cent of the time. So we're just trying to find that 20 to 25 per cent for that secondary ruckman."

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #202 on: March 23, 2023, 06:09:49 PM »
Pretty simple really.
Adelaide have the potential to play basically four big fwds. Walker, Fogarty and Himmelberg played last week and after what Melbourne did to us preseason you can just see sides going with a fwd ruck as well. Riley Thilthorpe probably will play as that second ruck/fwd.

If Thats the case logic would suggest we play Miller as a defender and Ryan plays as the third tall fwd/second ruck.
The real advantage of playing Ryan is Adelaide do not have a real tall backline and Ryan would certainly give us the opportunity to stretch them
and probably keep Thilthorpe occupied.

It is not that hard to figure out whats a bit dangerous for the opposition as well as working out what will work best for us..

This game McIntosh's job imo should be to totally shut Jordan Dawson out of the game by hook or by crook.
Cumberland will need to be looked after by one of their small defenders and Sonsie provides a bit of badly needed polish.

None of it will happen that would mean some lets call it tougher decisions would need to be made on favorites.
Nope better to keep the favorites and to hell with the better structure pace and polish.

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #203 on: May 10, 2023, 11:47:56 AM »
Hitouts To Advantage % rank in the AFL:              

                               RC      HO     HTA     HTA%

2. Samson Ryan       198     95       41      43.2   
3. Ivan Soldo             42     14         6      42.9

5. Ben Miller            149     50       20      40.0

45. Toby Nankervis   294   148       41      27.7


RC - total number of ruck contests.
HO - total number of hitouts.
HTA - total number of hitouts to advantage.
HTA% - percentage of hitouts that reach an intended teammate.

https://www.afl.com.au/stats/leaders?category=Stoppages&seasonId=52&roundId=-1&roundNumber=0&sortColumn=hitoutToAdvantageRate&sortDirection=descending&positions=Ruck&teams=All&benchmarking=false&dataType=totals&playerOneId=null&playerTwoId=null

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #204 on: May 10, 2023, 12:42:32 PM »
Its a long time since I have seen a Tiger ruckman hitting it down our players throats like he did last week. Enjoyed it very much.
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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #205 on: May 10, 2023, 12:53:49 PM »
Obviously they have rucked against different opposition (Soldo vs Witts only for example) but this clearly shows Ryan is a solid ruck and Nank has been very poor.

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #206 on: May 10, 2023, 06:35:41 PM »
I wish they would also include HO% to disadvantage. I know not all the blame can be set on the rucks when they tap it to the oppo as you have to make the mids accountable to some extent but there are times (soldo especially) where I see them tap unopposed straight to the other team and it infuriates me.

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #207 on: July 20, 2023, 03:09:07 PM »
Tigers’ burning question: Can they play two specialists rucks in the same team?

There was in their 2019 premiership, but not recently. However after Ivan Soldo’s impressive return game against West Coast on Sunday, the Tigers might have to revisit the tactic. In the absence of suspended co-captain Toby Nankervis, Soldo was terrific against the Eagles as he put the footy on a platter for his midfielders at stoppages in just his second AFL game of the season. Soldo kicked 1.1 from 11 disposals, seven score involvements, five tackles, five marks and four clearances, while 12 of his 41 hit-outs were to the advantage of a teammate. Nankervis will be eligible for selection again in Round 21 as the Tigers continue their unlikely late-season surge. Fox Footy’s Leigh Montagna told First Crack: “There’s still something left in the Tigers this season.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-the-blowtorch-round-19-preview-every-clubs-burning-question-fox-footy-commentators-tv-broadcast-details/news-story/157480de5607a0c1b2f95cb071016644

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #208 on: July 20, 2023, 03:22:48 PM »
Nankervis with Ryan as third tall second ruck while he is still developing.

I would have no problem if we traded Soldo out.

This week with injuries and suspension id like to see Soldo as first ruck one of Bradtke or Nyuon as kpd with riewoldt and Ryan as the third tall fwd giving ruck support.

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Re: What's our best ruck combo?
« Reply #209 on: January 06, 2024, 06:19:42 AM »