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Tigermonk

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #135 on: July 03, 2008, 09:48:19 AM »
we could have won a few games including the centenery with fitter players
would think the coach & selectors would have thought the same but thier not thinkers at all  ;D
That's the decision the match commitee have to make every week. Is Simmonds @ 70% worth more to us than Graham @ 100%.
To be honest I think you're off your rocker if you think you choose Graham in that situation.
Players from ALL clubs are managed through injuries, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Just one example off the top of my head was Chad Cornes who had been playing with his finger not fully healed from surgury on a torn tendon, plus an ongoing knee concern. He's out now that Port are out of the finals, but had they still been in the hunt you can bet he'd still be playing.

Yes l would have rested Simmonds @ 70%  for Graham at 100%,  have you seen how off timing Simmonds is in his jumping.
he cant even keep up with the game & it wont be long before he goes down in a screaming heap & lost for the year
l know players are managed with injuries & l'm against it because its the first thing a coach will fall back on in a horrible defeat like Wallet has used in his post match

Chad Cornes  :rollin he had no choice,  his got so many injuries his a laughing stock even trying to play the Tigers game  :lol
His coach is just as stupid, his making all kind of excuses this year ;D l'm sure its his very last gig  :lol

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« Reply #136 on: July 13, 2008, 03:42:17 AM »
There's an article in the Sunday Age today about the Doggies 1999 draft picks. Of course they were drafted under Wallace's reign at the Dogs by Scott Clayton. A whole 9 years later these choices are being lauded. So much for a quick rebuild.

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The class of '99
Emma Quayle | July 12, 2008 - 7:26PM

AFTER several years in Brisbane, Scott Clayton was in his first year at the Western Bulldogs when he headed off to the 1999 national draft. He went home with what may be the best-ever single draft class: Robert Murphy (pick 13), Daniel Giansiracusa (32), Patrick Wiggins (35), Mitch Hahn (37), Lindsay Gilbee (43), Patrick Bowden (58) and Ryan Hargrave (66).

Not only are five of the seven still there nine years on, but all are key players.

Perhaps the group's rivals are two clusters of Cats - Joel Corey, Paul Chapman, Cameron Ling and Corey Enright (four of seven drafted also in 1999) and the 2001 class of Jimmy Bartel, James Kelly, Charlie Gardiner, Steve Johnson, Gary Ablett, Henry Playfair, Matthew McCarthy and David Johnson.

Full article at:
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/the-class-of-99/2008/07/12/1215658195097.html
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Just for the record the Tigers 1999 draft picks were (Spud's first draft):

3.   Aaron Fiora  (78 games at RFC)
22. Ezra Poyas (9)
39. Scott Homewood (0)
52. Aaron Mills (14)
68. Ty Zantuck (68)

We traded for Leon Cameron (84) which gave the Dogs the picks they used to get Hahn and Hargrave.
We also swapped Steve McKee for Clinton King (58).

Ben Hollands (8 ) was elevated off the rookie list.

All were gone within 5 years of being recruited.

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #137 on: July 13, 2008, 02:10:19 PM »
So by that you reakon around 7 years...so with Lids, Bling, Polo, Meyer and Patto (2004 draft) that would take us to 2011. Hey isn't that when TW said we would begin our 'sustained era of success'?!

Well you could blow me down with a feather!  :o ;)

I can only dream that the footy world could be applauding any of our draft decisions in the future let alone a 'crop'.

One day.... :sleep

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #138 on: July 14, 2008, 12:27:46 AM »
The core of the side is starting to take shape. Spine of:

 * Moore CHB. Thusty FB.  One of Rance/Schultz/McGaune as the 3rd tall.
 * Riewoldt kicked 5 @ CHF and gave two off. 2nd year 19 year old KPP. Hughes (21, 3rd year KPP) also looks to have put his hand up for FF and Morton is solid.

Starting midfeild of: Deledio, Cotchin, Foley for next 12 years. Would be scary of Cogs could be thrown into the mix.

Polo, White, Edwards, Tambling, Pattison, Connors were all in the side that beat WCE by 10+ goals.

Few kids outside 22 knocking on the door too.

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #139 on: July 14, 2008, 07:32:28 AM »
The core of the side is starting to take shape. Spine of:

 * Moore CHB. Thusty FB.  One of Rance/Schultz/McGaune as the 3rd tall.
 * Riewoldt kicked 5 @ CHF and gave two off. 2nd year 19 year old KPP. Hughes (21, 3rd year KPP) also looks to have put his hand up for FF and Morton is solid.

Starting midfeild of: Deledio, Cotchin, Foley for next 12 years. Would be scary of Cogs could be thrown into the mix.

Polo, White, Edwards, Tambling, Pattison, Connors were all in the side that beat WCE by 10+ goals.

Few kids outside 22 knocking on the door too.


Your must be kidding.
Mentioning Schulz and Tambling, Tambling was a disgrace yesterday. Had 2 kicks up to 3/4 time.   . If anyone was to star, yesterday was the day for him

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #140 on: July 14, 2008, 10:02:10 AM »
You see jack people on here refuse to budge when it comes to tambling.

Its like his a protected specie or something.

he has not deserved his spot in the side in the last month and should be dropped immediately...
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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #141 on: July 14, 2008, 10:11:30 AM »
You see jack people on here refuse to budge when it comes to tambling.

Its like his a protected specie or something.

he has not deserved his spot in the side in the last month and should be dropped immediately...

have to agree with that,ritchie hasnt done much for awhile and wallet has to be consistent with his dropping of players.
lm really starting to think ritchie is a fp or hf flanker.

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #142 on: July 14, 2008, 10:33:55 AM »
The core of the side is starting to take shape. Spine of:

 * Moore CHB. Thusty FB.  One of Rance/Schultz/McGaune as the 3rd tall.
 * Riewoldt kicked 5 @ CHF and gave two off. 2nd year 19 year old KPP. Hughes (21, 3rd year KPP) also looks to have put his hand up for FF and Morton is solid.

Starting midfeild of: Deledio, Cotchin, Foley for next 12 years. Would be scary of Cogs could be thrown into the mix.

Polo, White, Edwards, Tambling, Pattison, Connors were all in the side that beat WCE by 10+ goals.

Few kids outside 22 knocking on the door too.


Your must be kidding.
Mentioning Schulz and Tambling, Tambling was a disgrace yesterday. Had 2 kicks up to 3/4 time.   . If anyone was to star, yesterday was the day for him

Unfortunately Jacko is right again. Tambling seems to think that giving of little slinky type handpasses 6 or 7 times a game is acceptable. UM NO IT ISNT. Tambling should be finding the footy 25 times again on average the way the game is being played these days and more often than not Tambling doesnt get past 15 most of which dont hurt the opposition. At the moment- he has no hurt factor - ZERO - when it comes to his possessions.

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #143 on: July 14, 2008, 12:36:14 PM »
yes l see no excuse for Richi Tambling apart from his coach
his slacked off & should be getting the ball alot more & hurting the opposition
maybe going back to Coburg will re-invent his hunger & show him what his got

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #144 on: July 26, 2008, 11:34:21 PM »
Young players tonight:

Brett Deledio (4th year)
Richard Tambling (4th)
Jack Riewoldt (2nd)
Shane Edwards (2nd)
Mitch Morton (4th)
Matthew White (3r)
Trent Cotchin (1st)
Daniel Jackson (5th)
Nathan Foley (5th)
Adam Pattison (4th)
Luke McGuane (4th)
Will Thursfield (4th)
 
 
 

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #145 on: July 28, 2008, 03:10:00 AM »
Young players tonight:

Brett Deledio (4th year)
Richard Tambling (4th)
Jack Riewoldt (2nd)
Shane Edwards (2nd)
Mitch Morton (4th)
Matthew White (3r)
Trent Cotchin (1st)
Daniel Jackson (5th)
Nathan Foley (5th)
Adam Pattison (4th)
Luke McGuane (4th)
Will Thursfield (4th)
Cleve (3rd), Polo (4th), Connors (2nd) have contributed well in recent games also.

But to some nothing has changed in the past 4 years  ::).
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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #146 on: July 28, 2008, 01:22:34 PM »
Young players tonight:

Brett Deledio (4th year)
Richard Tambling (4th)
Jack Riewoldt (2nd)
Shane Edwards (2nd)
Mitch Morton (4th)
Matthew White (3r)
Trent Cotchin (1st)
Daniel Jackson (5th)
Nathan Foley (5th)
Adam Pattison (4th)
Luke McGuane (4th)
Will Thursfield (4th)
Cleve (3rd), Polo (4th), Connors (2nd) have contributed well in recent games also.

But to some nothing has changed in the past 4 years  ::).

And those same "some" have called for heads to roll because of our poor recruiting!  Miller might have made some mistakes (I wasn't what I would call a fan) but I think he was unfairly blamed for poor recruiting when in fact his recruiting record would stand up to almost every other club.

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #147 on: July 28, 2008, 03:08:42 PM »
Tambling had a brilliant game. That must have embarassed some...a bit like Bowden's goal spree did to me.  :-[

The difference is though is that Bowden is at the Twilight of his career while Bling is still improving. Bling could well be our captain in future years if the club reports are to be believed! :outtahere

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #148 on: July 28, 2008, 03:16:32 PM »
For months Ive been saying that the list only has the ability to reach the bottom rungs of the 8 consisitently. I believe that some people at Richmond also believe that to be the case and thats one of the reasons for the review and for the changes.

Richmond cant just be happy to make the 8. Football clubs do not exist to make the 8. Football clubs like Richmond should exist so that it can win Premierships. We dont have a good enough list, the problem will also be excasserbated when Richo and Browny retire.

The football department and recruiting area needed to put in place a strategy that would see 2 clear waves of younger players coming through, unfortunately that is not the case, we only have 1 wave of younger players and a group of senior players that will be leaving the game shortly. Richmond needs to fill some holes that have been left open and we need to find another group of 5 or 6 young players to create a 2nd wave. Thats why change needs to happen, because if we get it wrong, we wont ever get past 7th or 8th place.

Richmond still has plenty of rebuilding to do.

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Re: The rebuilding is NOT taking long.
« Reply #149 on: July 28, 2008, 08:38:25 PM »
Ramps, you are concerned about replacing the older players. I say you have nothing to fear.  :P

Richo is a unique player and an undeniable champion (and an enigma too!) but since we have moved him from the forwardline we have never been more unpredictable and scored more highly. We now look for the best avenue to goal rather than the same path to goal. We have a broad spread of contributors and Richos absence from the F50 has allowed us to develop a forward structure rather than just a power forward. We have a group of forwards who are developing and learning to work together to assist or kick a winning score and the best part is that they are all younger than 21! Throw in Edwards and even Collard crumbing and we finally have a strong forward team rather than just a strong forward.

Browny is a tremendous finisher (like Bowden in fact) particularly around his body but he struggles to lose a defender now days. Morton reminds me alot of Browny and could fill his role in the future as could Collard potentially.

Johnson will not be a big lose in my opinion. I think Lids, Cogs, Connors, Jackson or even White could all fill his midfield buffering role if required and the leadership he offers Foley could step in to replace quite easily.

Bowden has had a few excellent weeks but is quickly slowing down, is unaccountable and negative. Someone like Rance or Gourdis will easily replace Bowden.

Simmo will be the hardest to replace in the next few years. Patto is great at giving Simmo a rest but will struggle to fill the No. 1 ruck role leaving only Gus and Putt potentially to fill his role. This is why trading for Warnock should be a priority I feel becasue it is the area we are most vulnerable in Simmo's absence.


I also believe we have the two 'waves' you refer to. The '04 draft (Lids, Bling, Meyer, Polo and Patto) coupled with White, Foley, McGuane and Thursfield who were also taken around the same time plus the '07 draft (Cotchin, Rance, Putt and Gourdis) coupled with Morton and Collard is the two waves you are after. Add to this players of similiar age such as Riewoldt, Moore, Schulz, Edwards who are all playing in the first plus players such as King, Meyer, Polo, Raines, Cogs, Connors, Collins, Hughes, JON, Casserly and Gus who are all developing and pushing for selection.

I think our list is looking very good and with some extra draft and trades over the next few years we are no where near finished developing. The future is looking bright and I think time in the top 4 playing off for the flag is fast becoming a reality.

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