The rebuilding is NOT taking long.

[Little Jackie]

the problem wiith many of us tiger fans, becaus ewe love our club with so much passion, is that we really really overrate our team, list and coach

fACTS ARE WE ARE S H I T !

THE SOONER MILKLER AND WALLAVE GOES THE BETTER

terry shoule be sued for fraud, he lied and deceived not just the club and board but all us fans.  B A S T A R D

Listen fools.

You said the same thing 4years ago bout Frawley. And the same thing for 30 years.

At least let this coach finsh his contract before sacking him.

Listen fool. we had to put up with  honoring Dannys contract and now you say honour Wallets, what drugs are you on.
Can tell you that at least Danny got us to finals, Wallet is taking us no where, and I cant wait till round 12, they may want to rename it ""exit round"" when the biggest fraud coach of all time gets the chop!
Mate you could not be serious could you ?????
Where is Wallets game plan I might add

Less than 4 wins this year wouldn't be bad for the club long term. We missed out on proper rebuilding draft pcks in 05/06 so another top 3 pick along for Wallaces 5th year wouldnt hurt. I still think we are a Hawkins/Kruzer/Franklin/Cloke type kpp or ruckman short. The WA black dude would be nice to develop along side Patto for a decade.

We have a decent U25 line up that has largly been put together in 4 years.

McMahon Thursfeild Polak
King Rance Newman*
Cotchin Cogs* Deledio
Connors Hughes Morton
Edwards Schultz* Riewoldt
Pattison Tambling Foley*
Polo Raines* McGaune Jackson*

Only 6 of those from pre-wallace days.

If the players Wallace traded for; McMahon, Morton, Polak don't make it he he should be sacked. More so the high draft picks in his time in charge; Rance, Cotchin, Deledio, Hughes, Reiwoldt, Pattison, Tambling, Polo.

But he should be allowed the 5 years to get it together. We started in a very poor postion.

We also have a developing deapth group
 - White, Graham, casserly, JON, Collins, Collard, Putt, Gorudis, Meyer
chances are some of these players should come good, also.

The problem is the senior crop.
 - Richo, Brown, Johnson, Bowden, Simmonds, Tuck, Pettifer
 - Hyde, Moore, Howatt, Silvestre, Cartledge, Tivendale

However, we cannot sort this out overnight. In the best U22 side 13 of the players are 21 or under.

It takes time because the list was so pish. Yes mistakes have been made it seems; Meyer, Tambling, JON etc. but some of em might come good, and we have also had some handy trades and late picks.

Deledio was Wallaces #1 pick in his first year. Deledio is still 20!

Is it comedy week it melbourne.
mate, you have NO IDEA.
This is the funniest thread I have ever read.
It could be Terrys son who is writing it

[Little Jackie]

You can't forever blame Spud or others for that matter, otherwise we should be be blaming Francis Bourke from half time in the 1982 Grand Final and those who allowed Wood Cloke and Raines to defect to other clubs. Sure some of those responsible for our mediocrity should not be allowed to go anywhere near any footy club again but ULTIMATELY Terry convinced our board in 2004 that he WAS the man TO COACH US OUT OF THE WILDERNESS. His reasoning


1. Wanted to wake the sleeping giant that is RFC
2. Our list was better than Hawthorn's
3. Our recruiting will be better
4. His attacking coaching style will be attractive to the eye
5. 16 goals a game on average
6. His game plan would put us in a position to win more games of football.

Now lets see the results to each of the criteria  Terry mentioned as his blueprint for success.

1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

But of course we all know too too well how Terry has gone as the proof has been in his pudding.
Sure previous admins may have some part to play in the monumental task Terry has taken on, but Terry took it on, on his own terms and he is FAILING WOEFULLY under his own terms.
You live by the sword you die by the sword. SIMPLE.

Totally agree!

[Tigermonk]

thats a great post HT74 it summed it up greatly l'm in fits of laughter 

[Ramps]

whoever the new coach is should make a statement by sacking the older players on masse and trading blokes like McMahon for anything we can get. The senior core at Richmond will never achieve success, its time to get rid of them before they pass on there attitudes to cotchin and rance and co.

[Francois Jackson]

whoever the new coach is should make a statement by sacking the older players on masse and trading blokes like McMahon for anything we can get. The senior core at Richmond will never achieve success, its time to get rid of them before they pass on there attitudes to cotchin and rance and co.

everyone should read and take note of these words. how true ramps!!!

our older players have gotta go and go now. petts, bowden, richo, johnson, hyde, tivs among others.
if we want to run like the hawks we need to rid our club of the nick holland, john barker and richi vandenburg types.

can everyone see THEY ARE THE CANCER!!
our young players become infested with poor leadership and no skills, because of these players.
the final straw for me was last week, sugar handballing off to petts inside 50. what a leader, what a guy!!!

We may make the finals by 2011 but only if these pathetic footballers leave our rfc and go play with lance whitnall in darwin.

[Stripes]

The name TW on this site is like holding a red rag up to a bull - in they charge!

Our young players will continue to bear the brunt of the pressure for the rest of their careers. We no one to take the heat off them and even if we sacked the senior players now it would make no difference to their performances because it would not free them up any more than they are now.

Getting rid of our average senior players would get rid of some of the bad examples though and give room to recruit...but in reality players like Richo, Brown, Simmonds, Bowden, Johnson and even Tuck and Petts will all be there, baring injury, next year. We just can't recruit enough players in one year to replace them even if they were all playing terribly and we just really wanted to.

In 3 years time our list will appear to improve markedly as our 20/21 year olds mature and can finally compete with the senior players from other clubs. Our new recruits then will suddenly appear fantastic and come on quickly (much better/faster than those Lids, Bling, Foley, Pattison etc did ) because the opposition will finally not be focusing on them, as the teams best players, but on our more mature players - Lids etc.

Its just all about time and even if you feel our recruits are average, we will have no idea until we are able to compete as a team on level playing terms. And as we all hate being told that won't we until we have our current 18 - 21 year old players continue to gain experience and reaching the mid-year (premiership age : 21 - 24) together. So we need to wait between 3 adn 5 years before we can expect or even hope for any consistant success.

Wallace will not be with us by then but the next coach will seem like a coaching mastermind.

Footballs a funny culture

Stripes

[Delediodelight]

I posted this on bigfooty in response to some posts, so i'll post it here too:
RICHMONDs Round 1 team this year:
B l King, Thursfield, Bowden
HB l Newman, Polak, Moore
C l Tambling, Tuck, Raines
HF l Pettifer, Richardson, McMahon
F l Deledio, Schulz, Brown
R l Simmonds, Johnson, Foley
Int from l Jackson, Hughes, Pattison, Howat
EM l Hyde, Morton, Edwards
 
Realistic Tigers 2010 team:

B | Daniel Connors - Will Thursfield - Jake King
HB | Alex Rance - Graham Polak - Jordan McMahon
C | Chris Newman - Mark Coughlan - Brett Deledio
HF | Mitch Morton - Cleve Hughes - Richard Tambling
F | Shane Edwards - Jay Schulz - Jack Riewoldt
R | Adam Pattison - Trent Cotchin - Nathan Foley
Int from| Dean Polo - Jarrad Oakley Nicholls - Kelvin Moore - Angus Graham - David Gourdis - Travis Casserly - Andrew Collins - Danny Meyer - Daniel Jackson - Matt White - Luke McGuane

point of interest:
-Get ride of McMahon
 
-At the moment when in doubt or just as a preference play the kids with the bodies who could handle AFL
 
Jack riewoldt rules future team:
 
B | Luke McGuane - Will Thursfield - Andrew Raines
HB | Dean Polo - Alex Rance - Daniel Connors
C | Daniel Jackson - Brett Deledio - Shane Edwards
HF | Mitch Morton - Cleve Hughes - Richard Tambling
F | Clayton Collard - Jack Riewoldt - Dean Putt
R | Angus Graham- Trent Cotchin - Nathan Foley
Int | David Gourdis - Adam Pattison- Mat White - Jay Schulz
 
Discuss
 
Points of interest:
-This is a long term team so i'm going to say swap Cartledge for JON or Graham. firstly you dont need 3 ruckmen, exception is if you have Graham and Pattison rotating in ruck/bench and we develop Putt as a power forward/back up back up. First change
 
-Also having three talls on the bench isn't a good idea. so Collins could come into the team or some future draft picks. so one of Schulz or Gourdis will make way for this player. And Swap Raines and Conners, Because I'd rather have conners silky skills delivering the ball into the forward 50
 
 
Looking at both teams where do we draft/trade:
 
Trades: -Tuck he has some moderate trade value aswell we can get a younger player in his position
 
could get 3rd round draft pick
 
-Pettifer he is a bit of a inconsistent, plays well when the team is going well ect. Morton get fill the void or conners.
 
could get 2nd or 3rd round draft pick
 
Fremantle Ruckmen Rob Warnock is out of contract at year end, just food for thought 206cm, but if it comes to him or Natanui its the latter one everytime.
 
Delists: I want to give Meyer this year to recover and hopefully towards the end of the season show some form and give him next year to make seniors or be cut loose.
Delist Hyde and Tiva, they play well at coburg and then are in seniors the next week, they should dominate coburg but they struggle at AFL. And delist any of the juniors not putting in the hard yards. And get a decent list of rookies, Collard is ok investment, and Cartledge is insurance.
 
Draft:(hopefully priority pick)
-In and under midfielders, who can get the hard ball and feed it out
-Key Forward a 195cm + and the Frame to fillout to about 100kg For back up plan if Hughes, Riewoldt, Shultz, Putt or Gourdis Don't make it.
-Speedy high disposal rate GOOD DISPOSAL SKILLS
-Tall tap ruckmen, who has good skills around the ground.
 
Who's available:-Daniel Rich -Jack Ziebell -Micheal Hurley -Nick Natanui -Chris Yarran -Mitchell Banner -Hamish Hartlett -Matthew Broadbent – Nick Surban?

[Judge Roughneck]

Many of you are very stupid.

[Little Jackie]

Many of you are very stupid.

Dont get ahead of yourself, will you.
One win against pathetic opposition. Good to see us win but please dont get too carried away like some imbeciles

[Judge Roughneck]

Many of you are very stupid.

Dont get ahead of yourself, will you.
One win against pathetic opposition. Good to see us win but please dont get too carried away like some imbeciles

2 wins against 2 pathetic opposition.

How did McMahon go? Should be traded for what ever we can get for him yeah?

[Little Jackie]

Many of you are very stupid.

Dont get ahead of yourself, will you.
One win against pathetic opposition. Good to see us win but please dont get too carried away like some imbeciles

2 wins against 2 pathetic opposition.

How did McMahon go? Should be traded for what ever we can get for him yeah?

Give me a break, you will find that 99% of his possesions were uncontested

[Judge Roughneck]

*sigh*

[Moi]

Keep the faith Bentleigh-esque 

[Fishfinger]

Give me a break, you will find that 99% of his possesions were uncontested

75% (24 out of 32).

So what?

The club has made it clear he was recruited to improve the quality of our disposal.
84% effective this week. 88% effective against the skunks.

[Ramps]

Many of you are very stupid.

Dont get ahead of yourself, will you.
One win against pathetic opposition. Good to see us win but please dont get too carried away like some imbeciles

2 wins against 2 pathetic opposition.

How did McMahon go? Should be traded for what ever we can get for him yeah?

Yep Im sticking with my comments, I cant see how we're are gonna win a flag with McMahon IMHO.