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« Reply #4425 on: May 20, 2019, 06:27:23 PM »
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« Reply #4426 on: May 20, 2019, 07:16:22 PM »
where have the labor voters disappeared too?  :lol :lol So typical. As soon as the party suffers a devastating blow they are nowhere to be seen. Must still be crying in the corner and blaming queenslanders or others except themselves.

Phelps gone up in wentworth so that makes 75.

Certainly not crying. Disappointed in the result yes but crying definitely not.

Had a chance to improve so many things to make life better for others but the majority has "no, that's not we want" so we move on

Proud to say I stuck to the principles I have my entire life and that was not "What's in it for me " for me but what's going to be best for those who rely on us to make things better for them. So yes I voted Labour, funny though personally probably better off under the coalition but that wasn't important to me

I supported and voted  a fully funded NDIS, better deal for pensioners, better child care, better funding for schools and cancer treatments being fully covered under Medicare. Things that would make things better for others not me.

As I said the majority has said no to those things and being a democracy you accept it move on. You don't have to like it but you accept it.

This election has taught me a few things about where we sit as a nation right now.The vitriolic rants I've read on social media are scary, attacking people because they have different opinions and it is so sad. I will confess that's the most disappointing thing of all.

so if i understand what you are trying to get at. You insinuate those who voted libs did it because of some sort of benefit only they receive?

You think thats why labor lost and libs won? Nothing to do with the most pathetic leader i can remember ever put up, who based an election on a socialist mentality. Us vrs them rich vrs poor was incredible viewing, and its no wonder even after Turncoat left, he could never bridge the gap to Scomo as preferred PM. The swings were not there as they expected, because people saw through his bs. Shorten and his friends will forever be known as the people who said to the voters work hard so you are not reliant on the aged pension, and we will tax you anyway we can. Smart move  :lol :lol  You have a guy like bowen who couldnt even tell a reporter what the tax free threshold was and you expect voters to trust this mob to run a tax agenda?



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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #4427 on: May 20, 2019, 07:32:08 PM »
where have the labor voters disappeared too?  :lol :lol So typical. As soon as the party suffers a devastating blow they are nowhere to be seen. Must still be crying in the corner and blaming queenslanders or others except themselves.

Phelps gone up in wentworth so that makes 75.

Certainly not crying. Disappointed in the result yes but crying definitely not.

Had a chance to improve so many things to make life better for others but the majority has "no, that's not we want" so we move on

Proud to say I stuck to the principles I have my entire life and that was not "What's in it for me " for me but what's going to be best for those who rely on us to make things better for them. So yes I voted Labour, funny though personally probably better off under the coalition but that wasn't important to me

I supported and voted  a fully funded NDIS, better deal for pensioners, better child care, better funding for schools and cancer treatments being fully covered under Medicare. Things that would make things better for others not me.

As I said the majority has said no to those things and being a democracy you accept it move on. You don't have to like it but you accept it.

This election has taught me a few things about where we sit as a nation right now.The vitriolic rants I've read on social media are scary, attacking people because they have different opinions and it is so sad. I will confess that's the most disappointing thing of all.

Cancer treatments being fully funded? Sorry WP, but what world are you living in? I know several oncologists. None were asked if they would like to have there fees fixed and organised by the government. There would be several constitutional laws that would need to change so that people would be forced to have there fees totally controlled by the government. So if they could still charge what they thought was adequate compensation, how could the government say it was fully funded?

That was just another feel good fluff piece by the opposition trying to lie their way into government. Once again the public saw through their bs.

Labor is totally losing the plot. They may as well change their colours to a green because they have absolutely lost the working man.
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« Reply #4428 on: May 20, 2019, 08:42:57 PM »

so if i understand what you are trying to get at. You insinuate those who voted libs did it because of some sort of benefit only they receive?

You think thats why labor lost and libs won

No

I gave the reason why I voted the way I did. I know a number of people (Including family) who voted the way did based solely on which party would give them the best benefits.

As for others, don't know and don't really care. People make choices and they have to live with them. Said it before we move on. The next 3 years will be interesting

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Nothing to do with the most pathetic leader i can remember ever put up, who based an election on a socialist mentality. Us vrs them rich vrs poor was incredible viewing, and its no wonder even after Turncoat left, he could never bridge the gap to Scomo as preferred PM. The swings were not there as they expected, because people saw through his bs. Shorten and his friends will forever be known as the people who said to the voters work hard so you are not reliant on the aged pension, and we will tax you anyway we can. Smart move  :lol :lol  You have a guy like bowen who couldnt even tell a reporter what the tax free threshold was and you expect voters to trust this mob to run a tax agenda?

Funny I remember somewhere in this thread you said Gillard was the worst  :lol

Don't know how to break this to you but this country has been divided "us -v- them", "rich -v- poor" for a very long time.

Politicians from both sides have been preaching division for ages and guess what we get division which we have now. In the last 10 years one of the worst has been the bloke who got turfed out on his backside on Saturday

Interested to know what you mean re your comment "Tax you anyway we can" . What in particular? Franking credits, negative gearing or the non existent death tax? Because you know the death tax was posted on FB so that one had to be true  ;D
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« Reply #4429 on: May 20, 2019, 08:51:01 PM »

Cancer treatments being fully funded? Sorry WP, but what world are you living in? I know several oncologists. None were asked if they would like to have there fees fixed and organised by the government. There would be several constitutional laws that would need to change so that people would be forced to have there fees totally controlled by the government. So if they could still charge what they thought was adequate compensation, how could the government say it was fully funded?

That was just another feel good fluff piece by the opposition trying to lie their way into government. Once again the public saw through their bs.

Labor is totally losing the plot. They may as well change their colours to a green because they have absolutely lost the working man.

So I'm right in assuming you didn't vote Labor  ;D

So am I right to suggest in your view they didn't have one decent policy?

End of the day...

We believe what we want it believe Andy by extension we beleive what we know to be true.

 I'll leave it at that  :thumbsup
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« Reply #4430 on: May 20, 2019, 10:01:37 PM »

so if i understand what you are trying to get at. You insinuate those who voted libs did it because of some sort of benefit only they receive?

You think thats why labor lost and libs won

No

I gave the reason why I voted the way I did. I know a number of people (Including family) who voted the way did based solely on which party would give them the best benefits.

As for others, don't know and don't really care. People make choices and they have to live with them. Said it before we move on. The next 3 years will be interesting

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Nothing to do with the most pathetic leader i can remember ever put up, who based an election on a socialist mentality. Us vrs them rich vrs poor was incredible viewing, and its no wonder even after Turncoat left, he could never bridge the gap to Scomo as preferred PM. The swings were not there as they expected, because people saw through his bs. Shorten and his friends will forever be known as the people who said to the voters work hard so you are not reliant on the aged pension, and we will tax you anyway we can. Smart move  :lol :lol  You have a guy like bowen who couldnt even tell a reporter what the tax free threshold was and you expect voters to trust this mob to run a tax agenda?

Funny I remember somewhere in this thread you said Gillard was the worst  :lol

Don't know how to break this to you but this country has been divided "us -v- them", "rich -v- poor" for a very long time.

Politicians from both sides have been preaching division for ages and guess what we get division which we have now. In the last 10 years one of the worst has been the bloke who got turfed out on his backside on Saturday

Interested to know what you mean re your comment "Tax you anyway we can" . What in particular? Franking credits, negative gearing or the non existent death tax? Because you know the death tax was posted on FB so that one had to be true  ;D

Sorry this was different, and you know it. They had a socialist agenda that veered too far left and it sensationally backfired.

Death tax was a crock of poo, thats not what i was talking about as i never heard any of them mention it. The other tax grabbing initiatives were a disgrace, effectively telling the voters dont bother investing because you are rich and we are out to get you. They tried and failed to convince tradies that there dependants/partners now have to pay min 30% tax on distributions, so suck it up and pay it, or pay an accountant to wind it up and start again. How about the unfortunate people who recently set up super funds were not being grandfathered for franking credit purposes, but others were  :lol I personally had no issue with franking credits removal, IF it didnt affect the low income earners who were NOT receiving the aged pension. What i hated was they didnt allow a self funded low income retiree the same GF benefits as a pensioner, instead they were labelled by some as rorting the system. You cant give a chop out to some retirees and not others when the net income is the same or less in some cases.

The alp thought they could tax their way to an election victory, but thankfully the australian people were not that stupid.

Yes Gillard was the worst...............UNTIL this loser stepped up to the plate then he become numero uno.

Can i add albo has already flagged he will dismiss the tax grabbing agenda and listen to its voters so thats a good start. :thumbsup I also think some of those things you mentioned (ndis and childcare)are very important so i hope some money is directed there soon.
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« Reply #4431 on: May 20, 2019, 10:28:19 PM »

Cancer treatments being fully funded? Sorry WP, but what world are you living in? I know several oncologists. None were asked if they would like to have there fees fixed and organised by the government. There would be several constitutional laws that would need to change so that people would be forced to have there fees totally controlled by the government. So if they could still charge what they thought was adequate compensation, how could the government say it was fully funded?

That was just another feel good fluff piece by the opposition trying to lie their way into government. Once again the public saw through their bs.

Labor is totally losing the plot. They may as well change their colours to a green because they have absolutely lost the working man.

So I'm right in assuming you didn't vote Labor  ;D

So am I right to suggest in your view they didn't have one decent policy?

End of the day...

We believe what we want it believe Andy by extension we beleive what we know to be true.

 I'll leave it at that  :thumbsup
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I never said they didn't have a single decent policy too.
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« Reply #4432 on: May 20, 2019, 11:13:02 PM »
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Yes Gillard was the worst...............UNTIL this loser stepped up to the plate then he become numero uno.


Shorten made Gillard look like Maggie Thatcher... :shh
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« Reply #4433 on: May 21, 2019, 07:45:41 AM »
The election results haven't been finalised and we are already being told we might have to wait 12 months for the promised tax cuts.

I expect an economic downturn over the next year will mean we will be told that we can't afford the tax cuts.

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« Reply #4434 on: May 21, 2019, 08:32:27 AM »
The election results haven't been finalised and we are already being told we might have to wait 12 months for the promised tax cuts.

I expect an economic downturn over the next year will mean we will be told that we can't afford the tax cuts.

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« Reply #4435 on: May 21, 2019, 08:50:16 AM »
So WP is the only labor voter prepared to show up on here??  :lol

Disappeared like a fart in the wind they have
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« Reply #4436 on: May 21, 2019, 08:50:16 AM »
The election results haven't been finalised and we are already being told we might have to wait 12 months for the promised tax cuts.

I expect an economic downturn over the next year will mean we will be told that we can't afford the tax cuts.
In other news the senate look like blocking the cuts......
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« Reply #4437 on: May 21, 2019, 10:13:24 AM »
So WP is the only labor voter prepared to show up on here??  :lol

Disappeared like a fart in the wind they have

I'm still here. And still fighting the good fight.

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Which fight is that? The one for the worker or rhe one for the Greens? They aren't necessarily the same. Labor's challenge is to look after both and they haven't done that for a long time.
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« Reply #4438 on: May 21, 2019, 10:28:05 AM »



The fight against inter-generational inequality.


The fight for real action on climate change.


The fight for a fully funded NDIS.


The fight against greed (think unsustainable franking credits and unfair negative gearing).


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« Reply #4439 on: May 21, 2019, 10:48:36 AM »
we hope bowen and co keep fighting that good fight you just you just mentioned, especially the last one, because it means the greens/alp will not be in government for 6 years, min

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