Richmond president Peggy O’Neal says Tigers united behind coach Hardwick (H-Sun)

[1980]

just curious about you decide it is the vast majority?

Just answered that question to WP.
You put 60,000 members in a room and the vast majority will say Hardwick needs to go as he is taking us backwards in the past couple of years.

that doesn't answer how you came to the conclusion. it is merely another assumption similar to the first.

So how do you draw this conclusion?

So I take it you are assuming the exact opposite of what I am proposing? That most Richmond supporters think we will win a premiership with Damian Hardwick? Common say it.

[1980]

Hawthorns president grew up a RFC supporter , the swans former prez was previously a board member of WC, spare me of the rhetoric. Why have these guys presided over successful clubs, coz they're successful people 

He was a Hawks supporter as a teenager. Read your own articles.

And how well did we do with Clinton Casey who was an Essendon supporter?

Whether you like it or note, Eddie has proven to be the best president in the AFL. We would be a different club if we had that type of passion running the club.

And all of this is despite the point. What I said was that Richmond, much more so than other clubs, and especially due to its turbulent history, needs a Richmond supporter as a president. Someone who doesnt stupidly mistake the vast majority for being a noisy minority.

Naturally it's important that they're a legit RFC supporter to ensure their interions are honorable  however I'd argue it's even more important that they have a vision of  what success takes and even more importantly the horsepower to get it done . Flags aren't won by clubs that are a basket case off field , only a few years ago were 5 million in debt having to play games in cairns to compensate for the loss of the royal hotel. We re far from that now and have the off field stability that wouldn't be out of place amongst premierships clubs.
On field now needs to catch up , which is generally always the case , nothing strange there

Yes I agree BJ we need both but we obviously right now have one without the other. Most presidents seem to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Just not ours maybe.

[1980]

Just answered that question to WP.

You put 60,000 members in a room and the vast majority will say Hardwick needs to go as he is taking us backwards in the past couple of years.

How can you really make an assumption as to what  60k individuals would do? Again massive generalisation

In answer to your question I have no idea what over 60k people would decide. Not even going to pretend that I know. Don't think you can claim to know either.

Yeah you do. But you just dont want to agree with me.

We are talking about RFC supporters and their reactions to dud coaches like Geischen, Frawley, Wallace etc. Its not difficult to predict how they will now react to another dud coach like Hardwíck if the club keeps defending him and accusing legitimately disappointed supporters of being a "noisy minority". You know the history as well as I do. The only possible generalisation here is that you might believe that Richmond supporters have over the past 5 years changed into Demons supporters and could not GAF about losing as long as there is snow on the slopes.

 
   

[Phil Mrakov]

Just answered that question to WP.

You put 60,000 members in a room and the vast majority will say Hardwick needs to go as he is taking us backwards in the past couple of years.

How can you really make an assumption as to what  60k individuals would do? Again massive generalisation

In answer to your question I have no idea what over 60k people would decide. Not even going to pretend that I know. Don't think you can claim to know either.

it's a no brainer that the majority would want him gone. Absolute no brainer. Whoever says otherwise really has no stuffen clue

[WilliamPowell]

Yeah you do. But you just dont want to agree with me.
 
We are talking about RFC supporters and their reactions to dud coaches like Geischen, Frawley, Wallace etc. Its not difficult to predict how they will now react to another dud coach like Hardwíck if the club keeps defending him and accusing legitimately disappointed supporters of being a "noisy minority". You know the history as well as I do. The only possible generalisation here is that you might believe that Richmond supporters have over the past 5 years changed into Demons supporters and could not GAF about losing as long as there is snow on the slopes.
 

No I don't. Has nothing to do with not wanting to agree with you.
 
I simply don't know what the majority of people want
 
Was speaking to a couple of people last week at different times. One who I thought would be pro sacking because has never rated Hardwick, never wanted him as coach but now reckon he's doing OK with the cattle his got. Then the other one who's never believed in sacking coaches saying he has to go. Two people who's view are completely different to what I thought would be
 
So I am not going to make assumptions of what people may or may not want. I've got my view on what should happen and that's the only view along with others views on this forum that I know for sure.
 
Do the majority on this forum want him gone? Easy answer is YES.
 
Are we the majority of Richmond supporters? That answer is clearly NO.
 
So again I don't believe you can claim the "Majority" want something when you, me or anyone else cannot speak for them because none of us know

[Go Richo 12]

There are probably more people on this forum that don't want Hardwick sacked but they don't say as much because of the vitriol that would follow.
I don't want Hardwick sacked, a contract is a contract and it must be honoured. However, a contract extension is not what I want at this stage either.

[1980]

Yeah you do. But you just dont want to agree with me.
 
We are talking about RFC supporters and their reactions to dud coaches like Geischen, Frawley, Wallace etc. Its not difficult to predict how they will now react to another dud coach like Hardwíck if the club keeps defending him and accusing legitimately disappointed supporters of being a "noisy minority". You know the history as well as I do. The only possible generalisation here is that you might believe that Richmond supporters have over the past 5 years changed into Demons supporters and could not GAF about losing as long as there is snow on the slopes.
 

No I don't. Has nothing to do with not wanting to agree with you.
 
I simply don't know what the majority of people want
 
Was speaking to a couple of people last week at different times. One who I thought would be pro sacking because has never rated Hardwick, never wanted him as coach but now reckon he's doing OK with the cattle his got. Then the other one who's never believed in sacking coaches saying he has to go. Two people who's view are completely different to what I thought would be
 
So I am not going to make assumptions of what people may or may not want. I've got my view on what should happen and that's the only view along with others views on this forum that I know for sure.
 
Do the majority on this forum want him gone? Easy answer is YES.
 
Are we the majority of Richmond supporters? That answer is clearly NO.
 
So again I don't believe you can claim the "Majority" want something when you, me or anyone else cannot speak for them because none of us know

Ok so we agree to disagree on what you think the majoroty of Richmond supporters want.

But thats not what I asked you. In the historical context of the Richmond footy club, which you are extremely well versed in. And with the benefit of hindsight. Did the vast majority of supporters want Frawley and Wallace sacked in their 5th year of coaching? And why would these same supporters now behave any differently after 5 years of Hardwick? 

 

[No More]

Lets get a petition happening to turf out the board

[WilliamPowell]

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Ok so we agree to disagree on what you think the majoroty of Richmond supporters want.

But thats not what I asked you. In the historical context of the Richmond footy club, which you are extremely well versed in. And with the benefit of hindsight. Did the vast majority of supporters want Frawley and Wallace sacked in their 5th year of coaching? And why would these same supporters now behave any differently after 5 years of Hardwick?

Actually don't think that's what you asked but anyways....

FWIW and IMHO

Frawley = Yes, we'd clearly gone backwards
Wallace = Yes, same as above

Hardwick = will repeat what I've said before I don't know.  I don't think he has the same level of support as he had say end of 2013 but does that equate to the "majority"? again my answer is I don't know

[RedanTiger]

While the vast majority may (though I doubt it) say Hardwick needs to go, you then have the problem of what follows. The choice of a replacement would create more factions than you can imagine. It's the same trick that Howard used to neuter the Republican cause. Give them a number of options and watch them fragment. Or try the Islamic factions.

"taking us backwards in the past couple of years" is just factually incorrect. He's got us to finals in the last couple of years. I don't think that's been achieved in decades at Richmond.

I can really appreciate where WP is coming from.
We were among the less than 10 members who voted against the board changing the constitution to allow them to appoint a third of the board.
You either voted for it or condoned by abstaining. Suck it up and accept it - the board and sponsors control this club not the members.

[Chuck17]

"taking us backwards in the past couple of years" is just factually incorrect. He's got us to finals in the last couple of years. I don't think that's been achieved in decades at Richmond.

Thanks for the timely reminder.

I have had to explain to the simple minded on here many times the statistical trend on a linear plot graph on our trend over the last five years.

[Penelope]

just curious about you decide it is the vast majority?

Just answered that question to WP.
You put 60,000 members in a room and the vast majority will say Hardwick needs to go as he is taking us backwards in the past couple of years.

that doesn't answer how you came to the conclusion. it is merely another assumption similar to the first.

So how do you draw this conclusion?

So I take it you are assuming the exact opposite of what I am proposing? That most Richmond supporters think we will win a premiership with Damian Hardwick? Common say it.

How do you come to that half wit conclusion?

Oh I see you have assumed that I make assumptions like yourself, and that there is only two possibilities at that.
You have just dragged yourself into George Bush type stupidity

Seems as you find it easier to come up with simpleton conclusions rather than answer a simple question, here's something to ponder...

what do you call it when one person bags someone else for making an unsupported assumption, then makes the exact opposite unsupported assumption themselves to say the first person was wrong?

[Chuck17]

just curious about you decide it is the vast majority?

Just answered that question to WP.
You put 60,000 members in a room and the vast majority will say Hardwick needs to go as he is taking us backwards in the past couple of years.

that doesn't answer how you came to the conclusion. it is merely another assumption similar to the first.

So how do you draw this conclusion?

So I take it you are assuming the exact opposite of what I am proposing? That most Richmond supporters think we will win a premiership with Damian Hardwick? Common say it.

How do you come to that half wit conclusion?

Oh I see you have assumed that I make assumptions like yourself, and that there is only two possibilities at that.
You have just dragged yourself into George Bush type stupidity

Seems as you find it easier to come up with simpleton conclusions rather than answer a simple question, here's something to ponder...

what do you call it when one person bags someone else for making an unsupported assumption, then makes the exact opposite unsupported assumption themselves to say the first person was wrong?

A OER forum?

[RedanTiger]

Thanks for the timely reminder.

I have had to explain to the simple minded on here many times the statistical trend on a linear plot graph on our trend over the last five years.

Simply because I noted a factually incorrect assumption - taking us backwards - does not mean I support Hardwick.
The "statistical trend on a linear plot graph on our trend" means nothing.
Competitive sport is rife with evidence that trends mean nothing. Simply within the AFL look at Port, Suns, Carlton, Bulldogs, Saints, Eagles, Adelaide, Lions, Giants.*
That's half the competition defying trends based on last year.

* at this point

[Chuck17]

Thanks for the timely reminder.

I have had to explain to the simple minded on here many times the statistical trend on a linear plot graph on our trend over the last five years.

Simply because I noted a factually incorrect assumption - taking us backwards - does not mean I support Hardwick.
The "statistical trend on a linear plot graph on our trend" means nothing.
Competitive sport is rife with evidence that trends mean nothing. Simply within the AFL look at Port, Suns, Carlton, Bulldogs, Saints, Eagles, Adelaide, Lions, Giants.*
That's half the competition defying trends based on last year.

* at this point

Of course, but it is important that people blurting out untruths are brought up quick smart