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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2022? [merged]
« Reply #285 on: July 11, 2022, 02:05:47 PM »
Form Ladder: Rounds 11-17
 
                  W-L       %
Geelong      6-0     158.5
Collingwood 6-0     113.6
Fremantle    5-1     117.8
Gold Coast   4-2     139.2
Sydney        4-2     120.6
Port Adel.    4-2     118.8
Carlton        3-3     121.0
W.Bulldogs   3-3     110.0
Richmond     3-3     109.9
Essendon     3-3     100.4
Brisbane      3-3       97.8
Melbourne    2-4       97.6
GWS Giants  2-4       94.3
Adelaide       2-4       88.6
St Kilda        2-4       84.2
Hawthorn     1-5       78.5
West Coast   1-5       64.5
North Melb.  0-6       48.6

https://www.afl.com.au/video/798220/-tensions-rising-for-flag-hope-blues-can-bring-cats-down

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« Reply #286 on: July 11, 2022, 11:25:30 PM »
THE DAMNING STATS BEHIND RICHMOND’S ‘ALMOST’ SEASON

By Andrew Slevison
SEN
11 July 2022


Richmond has so far endured a season of missed opportunities.

The Tigers only have themselves to blame for their current predicament which has them sitting inside the eight with four sides right behind and in hot pursuit.

On Saturday evening, they lost the near-unlosable to Gold Coast.

At one stage, Damien Hardwick’s side led by 40 points in the third quarter and 28 points at the final change, but capitulated in an almost comical way.

A lack of discipline, which has plagued them for a few years now, as well as fundamental skill errors from senior players cost them dearly.

Some inexperience and a few unlucky injuries didn’t help, but largely the damage was done by players who should know and execute better.

(And how handy would Nick Vlastuin have been against the Suns if he was not suspended for an undisciplined act).

It was the most recent mishap in a season that at times has promised plenty but has disappointed just as frequently.

The Tigers have led at three-quarter time in 14 of 16 matches this year and only have a record of 9-7 to show for it.

On five occasions they have coughed up significant leads in the third or fourth terms and lost.

Carlton (Round 1): 21 points ahead in fourth quarter. Lost.
St Kilda (Round 3): 25 points ahead in third quarter. Lost.
Sydney (Round 11): 32 points ahead in third quarter. Lost.
Geelong (Round 15): 17 points ahead in fourth quarter. Lost.
Gold Coast (Round 17): 40 points ahead in third quarter. Lost.

They also led Melbourne by nine points in the third quarter of their eventual defeat to the reigning premiers.

Then there are the opposition blowouts in games they eventually won after leading comfortably.

Collingwood, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Carlton (the Round 14 version) and West Coast all ate into larger deficits with late blasts.

It’s almost the opposite of their premiership years when they would grind teams into the ground before blowing them away late.

Take into account their three most recent defeats to Sydney by six points, Geelong by three points and the Suns by two points.

If those games went the other way, the Tigers would be on 12 wins and battling for a top four position.

But the footy gods don’t care about ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’. Actual results only, please.

Only the top two teams, Geelong and Melbourne, have won more quarters this season.

Only fourth-placed Brisbane have scored more points.

But none of that matters if you don’t capitalise on the chances you create for yourself or if you fail to make the most of it in big moments.

On top of the missed opportunities, there are injuries to deal with.

Tom Lynch is expected to miss some weeks with a hamstring, Ivan Soldo has a thumb issue, Dustin Martin and Noah Balta remain hamstrung, Trent Cotchin is nursing a broken collarbone and Kane Lambert is a week-to-week proposition with his troublesome hip.

The club is also sweating on the fitness of co-captain Toby Nankervis who hurt his knee late in the loss to the Suns.

His fitness is paramount to the fortunes of this team. Any time spent on the sidelines would be heavily felt.

“They’re getting maximum out of four or five players, they’re just waiting for some of the senior core troops to come back,” David King noted on SEN’s Whateley.

Next up is the lowly North Melbourne who were good value for a win over Collingwood on Saturday, but just forgot how to win at the death. Sounds familiar.

The Kangaroos will be chipper after that and no doubt be keen to take a scalp or two on the way home. They will present a challenge.

After that it is Fremantle, Brisbane, Port Adelaide, Hawthorn and Essendon. Wins are required.

Getting the season back on track after such a heartbreaking defeat is one of the biggest tests Hardwick, his coaching staff and players have faced of late.

In past years, you would have faith that the Tigers could answer the challenge.

With what has gone on at stages this year, who knows?

“All I know is you don’t want to play Richmond in September,” King added.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/11/the-damning-stats-behind-richmonds-almost-season/

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2022? [merged]
« Reply #287 on: July 11, 2022, 11:30:52 PM »
The Run Home after Rd 17

Max Laughton
Fox Sports
July 11th, 2022


8. RICHMOND (9-7, 116.4%)

Remaining games

Round 18: North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium

Round 19: Fremantle at Marvel Stadium

Round 20: Brisbane Lions at the MCG

Round 21: Port Adelaide at Adelaide Oval

Round 22: Hawthorn at the MCG

Round 23: Essendon at the MCG

Historic chance of playing finals from current record: 67%

Remaining fixture difficulty: 14th-hardest

We’re still relatively confident the Tigers will play finals - that 0.7 projected win gap between themselves and the Saints, given they’re currently on the same win total, is huge.

But their fall-from-ahead loss to Gold Coast keeps them vulnerable if they get bogged down in that tricky three-week stretch against Fremantle, Brisbane and Port Adelaide, clearly the three hardest games left on their fixture.

Win just one and Richmond should play finals, with a very healthy percentage and a likely haul of 13 wins once they account for the Kangaroos, Hawks and Bombers.

But lose all three and they could be passed if St Kilda gets its act together, or by the Suns who have four very winnable games left and would only need one upset to reach that magical 13.

Things are at least a little bit nervy now, when if they’d held onto even some of that 40-point lead, they would’ve essentially been safe.

Fox Footy’s projection: 12.8 wins, finishing 8th


PROJECTED FINAL LADDER

1. Geelong (15.8 projected wins)
2. Melbourne (15.4)
3. Fremantle (15.3)
4. Brisbane   (14.5)
5. Collingwood (14.05)
6. Carlton (14)
7. Sydney Swans (13.75)
8. Richmond (12.8 )
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9. St Kilda (12.1)
10. Gold Coast Suns (11.45)
11. Western Bulldogs (11.2)
12. Port Adelaide (10.95)
13. Hawthorn (7.9)
14. Adelaide Crows (7.65)
15. Essendon (7.5)
16. GWS Giants (7.4)
17. West Coast Eagles (3.8 )
18. North Melbourne (2.35)

PROJECTED WEEK 1 OF FINALS

First Qualifying Final (1st hosts 4th): Geelong Cats vs Brisbane Lions at the MCG

First Elimination Final (5th hosts 8th): Collingwood vs Richmond at the MCG

Second Elimination Final (6th hosts 7th): Carlton vs Sydney Swans at the MCG

Second Qualifying Final (2nd hosts 3rd): Melbourne vs Fremantle at the MCG

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-the-run-home-after-round-17-predicted-ladder-top-eight-finals-ladder-predictor-analysis-fixture/news-story/92246e7d44b922cf06899c43452f83a1

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2022? [merged]
« Reply #288 on: July 11, 2022, 11:48:40 PM »
The very optimistic view ...


It’s actually pretty straightforward. #Top4Tiges

We run the table.
Pies lose 2 of their last 3.
Blues drop to Lions & Cats.
Lions dusted by us & Dees.
Swans (away) get eaten by Freo
= Geelong hosting us at the G in a QF.  Giddy up

https://twitter.com/rfcswallace/status/1546356951604310017

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2022? [merged]
« Reply #289 on: July 12, 2022, 01:16:52 AM »
Kingy makes some very good points here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAaYOGp56-I

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2022? [merged]
« Reply #290 on: July 12, 2022, 08:55:24 AM »
Yeah that's fair.

Although if Nank can get up I wonder if we play him vs North just so that Soldo is back the week after and then rest him.

Ryan will get mauled by Goldy and Xerri

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« Reply #291 on: July 12, 2022, 11:20:21 AM »
There’s a week bye before first week finals right? We still need buffer to stay in the 8. Also being in the 8 I believe is good for the club financially? So it’s of my opinion we can’t be to cavalier with resting key players. I’m not saying play injured players, that’s terrible for the long term for both club and players but say if a player was 95% right I wouldn’t say take a week off to freshen up with us barely in the 8.


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« Reply #292 on: July 12, 2022, 11:49:52 AM »
Power Rankings after Round 17

Max Laughton
Foxsports
12 July 2022


1. Geelong
2. Melbourne
3. Fremantle
4. Brisbane

5. RICHMOND (9-7, 116.4%)

Last week’s ranking: 5

Look, that was a bad loss given the context of holding a 40-point lead. But we’re buying Richmond stock if you’re selling it. The Tigers still should’ve beaten the Suns - they won by 25 points on expected score - and it’s worth remembering just how bad their outs were for that game. Throw Vlastuin, Dusty or Lambert back into that side and they probably hold on. They may be without a veteran ruckman for this week but it’s an OK week to cop that sort of injury crisis. The Tigers are pretty unlikely to make the top four at this point, but they’ve only lost three games since Anzac Day - and all three by a kick.


6. Sydney
7. Carlton
8. Collingwood
9. Gold Coast
10. W.Bulldogs
11. St Kilda
12. Port Adelaide

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-power-rankings-after-round-17-analysis-highlights-ladder-top-eight-every-club-ranked-predictions/news-story/d344a8af9b50421b8e9c7ea2ff1fb36e

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2022? [merged]
« Reply #293 on: July 13, 2022, 04:02:58 AM »
The run home: Where the contenders stand in the race for the top eight

Jon Pierik
The Age
July 12, 2022


8 Richmond

Eighth, 9 wins, 7 losses
36 points, 116.4%


Run home:
North Melbourne (Marvel) W
Fremantle (Marvel) W
Brisbane (MCG) W
Port Adelaide (AO) L
Hawthorn (MCG) W
Essendon (MCG) W.

We say: They suddenly appear wobbly. The post-siren loss to the Suns could be haunting, exacerbated by injuries to key big men, but they do have a favourable draw. However, they need to find a way to secure at least three, possibly four, more wins and even rely on percentage. That should begin against the Kangaroos, but a potentially bruising three weeks then await against the Dockers, Lions, and a pivotal trip to face the hungry Power.


How the ladder might look

Jon Pierik's predicted ladder at the end of the home-and-away season.

Team   Points
 Geelong   72
 Fremantle   68
 Melbourne   64
 Brisbane   64
 Sydney   60
 Carlton   56
 Collingwood   56
 Richmond   52
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 Gold Coast   48
 St Kilda   48
 Port Adelaide   44
 Western Bulldogs   40
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-run-home-where-the-contenders-stand-in-the-race-for-the-top-eight-20220709-p5b0cc.html

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2022? [merged]
« Reply #294 on: July 13, 2022, 11:07:12 AM »
Someone tell the writer that 36 + 4 x 5 = 56 not 52. Would probably have us finishing 6th.

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« Reply #295 on: July 15, 2022, 08:53:22 PM »
I see a 10 goal thumping of North incoming. Somehow, with the Doggies smashing the Saints, we are going to end up a game inside the 8 with a percentage of 120+. Long story short--we will be making finals from here. They need to get everyone's bodies right and then play a four-game season and see what happens.

The best I can see is losing in a prelim at this stage. We don't have the steel to get it done this year. A wasted year. (Could have finished top of the ladder very easily.)

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« Reply #296 on: July 15, 2022, 09:58:43 PM »
I see a 10 goal thumping of North incoming. Somehow, with the Doggies smashing the Saints, we are going to end up a game inside the 8 with a percentage of 120+. Long story short--we will be making finals from here. They need to get everyone's bodies right and then play a four-game season and see what happens.

The best I can see is losing in a prelim at this stage. We don't have the steel to get it done this year. A wasted year. (Could have finished top of the ladder very easily.)

Great outcome tonight

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« Reply #297 on: July 16, 2022, 10:30:53 AM »
I see a 10 goal thumping of North incoming. Somehow, with the Doggies smashing the Saints, we are going to end up a game inside the 8 with a percentage of 120+. Long story short--we will be making finals from here. They need to get everyone's bodies right and then play a four-game season and see what happens.

The best I can see is losing in a prelim at this stage. We don't have the steel to get it done this year. A wasted year. (Could have finished top of the ladder very easily.)

If we make it a 4 week season and we have our players right mentally and physically we can still win it all but my doubt is that we dont close sides out when we are 4 or 5 goals up so we cant be sure of ourselves mentally.

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« Reply #298 on: July 16, 2022, 07:23:48 PM »
Can’t beat the bottom side, says it all really

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« Reply #299 on: July 16, 2022, 07:25:22 PM »
Close thread. Its all over.