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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Rampstar on April 11, 2014, 09:48:30 PM
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Finished. In Failure. We are a rabble. What a complete Disappointment. But I dont only blame Hardwick, this failure is the failure in understand that when you recruit rejects from other clubs under a moneyball scenario this is what you get - CRAP!
They talk big at Tigerland but once again they have come up empty. Just complete disappointment. Dont know what to say and we pay those idiots at Punt Road to produce this type of crap. They have no pride.
So whose available in the next draft folks?
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Cant wait to hear during the week that we're gunna do this, and we're gunna do that.
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Its over TM ... Its apparent to everyone who wants to live in the reality of our situation but we are know where near it and we cant be with this list of players. There are too many average players at Richmond and Moneyball has failed.
The one I feel sorry for is Brett Deledio. He should do himself a favor and ask for a release to go to a good club and try and get a flag.
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Agreed
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I have no problem with the moneyball things, Grigg was a definite upgrade on Collins, others like Houli etc. were upgrades on what we had at the time.
The problem is that we didn't go on with it, once we improved a little, the next wave of upgrades should have happened.
Sell high, like the Pies did with Dawes and Wellingham.
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I can only laugh. Officially over. Typical giving us hope for a few years. Sick of this same poo over and over
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I have no problem with the moneyball things, Grigg was a definite upgrade on Collins, others like Houli etc. were upgrades on what we had at the time.
The problem is that we didn't go on with it, once we improved a little, the next wave of upgrades should have happened.
Moneyball only allows you to get players from the bottom of the barrel. It doesnt make any impact in terms of getting in star players who can really help your club go up the ladder.
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I have no problem with the moneyball things, Grigg was a definite upgrade on Collins, others like Houli etc. were upgrades on what we had at the time.
The problem is that we didn't go on with it, once we improved a little, the next wave of upgrades should have happened.
Moneyball only allows you to get players from the bottom of the barrel. It doesnt make any impact in terms of getting in star players who can really help your club go up the ladder.
It's hard to watch tonight, Collingwood went bottom of the barrel too with White, Young and they're carving us up.
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I have no problem with the moneyball things, Grigg was a definite upgrade on Collins, others like Houli etc. were upgrades on what we had at the time.
The problem is that we didn't go on with it, once we improved a little, the next wave of upgrades should have happened.
Moneyball only allows you to get players from the bottom of the barrel. It doesnt make any impact in terms of getting in star players who can really help your club go up the ladder.
It's hard to watch tonight, Collingwood went bottom of the barrel too with White, Young and they're carving us up.
We been scraping the moneyball barrel for 4 years ... its now coming home to roost. We have very limited numbers of quality juniors coming through.
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Disagree the 5% upgrades won't win u a premiership.
Grigg has not improved since coming to the club. If we drafted a kid who knows what he could have turned into. Sam Frost is a better footballer than Chaplin. Rookie player vs 400k dud.
Sam Lloyd been good.
Money ball is rubbish and the people need to take responsibility for doing the top up rubbish that ruined the club in the Frawley era.
Petterd
Chaplin
Edwards
Grigg
Hampson
Plus more
All average C graders. Best case scenario gets u a token finals appearance which is what we have achieved and thus have peaked.
Pathetic.
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I have no problem with the moneyball things, Grigg was a definite upgrade on Collins, others like Houli etc. were upgrades on what we had at the time.
The problem is that we didn't go on with it, once we improved a little, the next wave of upgrades should have happened.
Moneyball only allows you to get players from the bottom of the barrel. It doesnt make any impact in terms of getting in star players who can really help your club go up the ladder.
It's hard to watch tonight, Collingwood went bottom of the barrel too with White, Young and they're carving us up.
We been scraping the moneyball barrel for 4 years ... its now coming home to roost. We have very limited numbers of quality juniors coming through.
Vlastuin Lennon McBean ...
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I have no problem with the moneyball things, Grigg was a definite upgrade on Collins, others like Houli etc. were upgrades on what we had at the time.
The problem is that we didn't go on with it, once we improved a little, the next wave of upgrades should have happened.
Moneyball only allows you to get players from the bottom of the barrel. It doesnt make any impact in terms of getting in star players who can really help your club go up the ladder.
It's hard to watch tonight, Collingwood went bottom of the barrel too with White, Young and they're carving us up.
We been scraping the moneyball barrel for 4 years ... its now coming home to roost. We have very limited numbers of quality juniors coming through.
Vlastuin Lennon McBean ...
Vlastuin playing tonight. Lennon and McBean havent played and as such we dont know if they can or not. When McBean played preseason he was a long way off in terms of being able to impact games at senior level.
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Martin grimes Griffiths miles helbig Conca ellis arnot mcdonuts
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I have no problem with the moneyball things, Grigg was a definite upgrade on Collins, others like Houli etc. were upgrades on what we had at the time.
The problem is that we didn't go on with it, once we improved a little, the next wave of upgrades should have happened.
Sell high, like the Pies did with Dawes and Wellingham.
I agree with this wayne
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It's the culture of mediocrity that has to be addressed first.
You don't just give the place a new paint job.
The coach that succeeds to clean out the virus of mediocrity the club will have success.
Raise the standard. Demand success. Lift the bar. Don't accept losing or failure. Demand excellence.
I thought Hardwick was the fellow but I was wrong. He's a hard worker but too soft.
We need a new coach. Start again.
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Need at least 10 changes to the senior list at the end of the year and bring in as many quality kids as we can and try and pinch 1 or 2 from GWS and GCS if we can on the cheap. Thats what needs to happen.
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Disagree the 5% upgrades won't win u a premiership.
Grigg has not improved since coming to the club. If we drafted a kid who knows what he could have turned into. Sam Frost is a better footballer than Chaplin. Rookie player vs 400k dud.
Sam Lloyd been good.
Money ball is rubbish and the people need to take responsibility for doing the top up rubbish that ruined the club in the Frawley era.
Petterd
Chaplin
Edwards
Grigg
Hampson
Plus more
All average C graders. Best case scenario gets u a token finals appearance which is what we have achieved and thus have peaked.
Pathetic.
sorry pope but i disagree. i dont think any of those selections bar hampson are wrong or to put a better way the wrong process.
i disagree with hampson only because of where we took him considering his history. every other player has cost virtually nothing bar the salary we pay em.
there is a place for taking mature recruits and in the main weather they have worked out or not we have taken most of our mature recruits in the right place. that is as rookies, f/a and late nd picks, at the same time taking kids in the nd with decent picks.. that is until this yr.
i keep on saying it, it is all about the right balance and constantly sticking to and going thru the right processes.
in taking hampson we neglected to take a young ruckman as well.
in taking chaplin we neglected to take a young potential 1v1 kpd.
we took grigg but where is the young quick highly skilled outside kid as well. we havent taken any or maybe one when we need 2 or 3.
houli was an upgrade on blokes who couldnt hit the side of a barn. but we now revert back to taking poor kicks and playing far too many on game day.
petterd well hes one i dont understand. we didnt have many medium sized forwards but did we go after a quality junior fwd. we only had o hanlon at the time.
the other main reason why we are in strife is the almost non existent number of real decent players who have come thru the nd after the first round.
to me we still need to fix our recruiting up weather that is sack jackson or find him some real good help i dont care which all i know is we have serious problems here still and its too important an area to not address.
on the rebuild. well common sense told us all it was never anywhere near complete . it was obvious under hardwick we went from a rabble to a middling side. it was never going to take much to go wrong to miss the 8 or in our case drop back out of the 8.
making finals before the list was complete or close to complete now really hurts because we clearly thought we were further advanced than what we were and recruited for exclusively now and forgot about the bigger picture .
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Dea. Bachelor. Helbig. Elton. Arnot. And the 2012 draft have not really been given a shot at it ...
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Skata and malakies boys.
As Talking Heads sang in the 80's.
We're on a road to nowhere. :help
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Dea. Bachelor. Helbig. Elton. Arnot. And the 2012 draft have not really been given a shot at it ...
dea batchelor and helbig are in their 4th and 5th yrs respectively. make no mistake they have to be in the gun. batchelor in particular has weaknesses that just smack ya in the facehe imo hasnt got the tools to play consistently well at afl level. dea and helbig despite everything have had heaps of time to at the very least establish that they belong and are yet to do so.
elton and arnot are babies especially elton being a tall. the simple fact is there isnt one young nd pick taken after the first rnd since 2005 to now that has become a good consistent player for us.
our inability to find just 4 or 5 players here is killing us and jackson should be made accountable for it.
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They have not been played in their best spot for 6-8 weeks to see if they are any good
At least helbig and dea. Bachelor is the same draft as Conca hence should be given a chance.
Meanwhile Grigg and friends remain non droppable in the eyes of the selection panel
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Yay Ramps has got this thread back up and running again :clapping
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:help :scream
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Yay Ramps has got this thread back up and running again :clapping
After last night all aboard the Regurgitated Ramps Running Rebuild thread.
Absolutely.
That's all we need the nuff nuffs singing Danny Frawley's tiger army at 3/4 time in every match waiting for a silver lining to shine on their dull and inept lives.
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It's the culture of mediocrity that has to be addressed first.
You don't just give the place a new paint job.
The coach that succeeds to clean out the virus of mediocrity the club will have success.
Raise the standard. Demand success. Lift the bar. Don't accept losing or failure. Demand excellence.
I thought Hardwick was the fellow but I was wrong. He's a hard worker but too soft.
We need a new coach. Start again.
The culture is here to stay
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It's the culture of mediocrity that has to be addressed first.
You don't just give the place a new paint job.
The coach that succeeds to clean out the virus of mediocrity the club will have success.
Raise the standard. Demand success. Lift the bar. Don't accept losing or failure. Demand excellence.
I thought Hardwick was the fellow but I was wrong. He's a hard worker but too soft.
We need a new coach. Start again.
The culture is here to stay
It's been here for 3 decades boys.
Like Nudge from Hey Dad, never will leave.
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Yay Ramps has got this thread back up and running again :clapping
I thought youd be pleased ;D
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Cant wait to hear during the week that we're gunna do this, and we're gunna do that.
I reckon this one will hurt and they'll be fired up a bit. :lol :lol
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It's the culture of mediocrity that has to be addressed first.
You don't just give the place a new paint job.
The coach that succeeds to clean out the virus of mediocrity the club will have success.
Raise the standard. Demand success. Lift the bar. Don't accept losing or failure. Demand excellence.
I thought Hardwick was the fellow but I was wrong. He's a hard worker but too soft.
We need a new coach. Start again.
The culture is here to stay
then we are finished as a football club
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Dea. Bachelor. Helbig. Elton. Arnot. And the 2012 draft have not really been given a shot at it ...
dea batchelor and helbig are in their 4th and 5th yrs respectively. make no mistake they have to be in the gun. batchelor in particular has weaknesses that just smack ya in the facehe imo hasnt got the tools to play consistently well at afl level. dea and helbig despite everything have had heaps of time to at the very least establish that they belong and are yet to do so.
elton and arnot are babies especially elton being a tall. the simple fact is there isnt one young nd pick taken after the first rnd since 2005 to now that has become a good consistent player for us.
our inability to find just 4 or 5 players here is killing us and jackson should be made accountable for it.
Batchelor is one of many who just gets worse when he comes to the club. His best games were the first ones he played for the club. :lol Lloyd should get out now because that's as good as it will get for him here.
Martin's best games were in his first 2 years. Funny if it wasn't true :banghead
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Its like a twilight zone for players after their 3rd year. Thats why players like Deledio are underrated IMHO.
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Dea. Bachelor. Helbig. Elton. Arnot. And the 2012 draft have not really been given a shot at it ...
dea batchelor and helbig are in their 4th and 5th yrs respectively. make no mistake they have to be in the gun. batchelor in particular has weaknesses that just smack ya in the facehe imo hasnt got the tools to play consistently well at afl level. dea and helbig despite everything have had heaps of time to at the very least establish that they belong and are yet to do so.
elton and arnot are babies especially elton being a tall. the simple fact is there isnt one young nd pick taken after the first rnd since 2005 to now that has become a good consistent player for us.
our inability to find just 4 or 5 players here is killing us and jackson should be made accountable for it.
Batchelor is one of many who just gets worse when he comes to the club. His best games were the first ones he played for the club. :lol Lloyd should get out now because that's as good as it will get for him here.
Martin's best games were in his first 2 years. Funny if it wasn't true :banghead
If you saw Ablett play off half back you'd think WTF.
Not Dimma who has the foresight of playing him everywhere but where his strength lies and his best footy has been played. :help
That's why we haven't seen a standout game from him since lets say 2012.
Anyone remember the game against North by Cotch and Dusty in 2011.
These guys games and development are getting sacrificed so Titch can be at centre bounces instead so we can see how long into his 8 year career will it take for him to win a clean centre break and use the ball properly with skill and precision.
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We can't keep going through this rebuild crap, by the time we do it again Martin, Cotch, Lids, Jack will be retiring.
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It's a great thread ::)
Attack a persons weakness by trolling your own football club. About as courageous as Mcaffers effort on Cotchin :lol
Mind you Ramps is a master at attacking the exposes nerve
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Its like a twilight zone for players after their 3rd year. Thats why players like Deledio are underrated IMHO.
Lids is a testament to himself that he's got to where he is in this craphole
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Dea. Bachelor. Helbig. Elton. Arnot. And the 2012 draft have not really been given a shot at it ...
dea batchelor and helbig are in their 4th and 5th yrs respectively. make no mistake they have to be in the gun. batchelor in particular has weaknesses that just smack ya in the facehe imo hasnt got the tools to play consistently well at afl level. dea and helbig despite everything have had heaps of time to at the very least establish that they belong and are yet to do so.
elton and arnot are babies especially elton being a tall. the simple fact is there isnt one young nd pick taken after the first rnd since 2005 to now that has become a good consistent player for us.
our inability to find just 4 or 5 players here is killing us and jackson should be made accountable for it.
Batchelor is one of many who just gets worse when he comes to the club. His best games were the first ones he played for the club. :lol Lloyd should get out now because that's as good as it will get for him here.
Martin's best games were in his first 2 years. Funny if it wasn't true :banghead
If you saw Ablett play off half back you'd think WTF.
Not Dimma who has the foresight of playing him everywhere but where his strength lies and his best footy has been played. :help
That's why we haven't seen a standout game from him since lets say 2012.
Anyone remember the game against North by Cotch and Dusty in 2011.
These guys games and development are getting sacrificed so Titch can be at centre bounces instead so we can see how long into his 8 year career will it take for him to win a clean centre break and use the ball properly with skill and precision.
Everyone needs to be a plodder. No stars allowed.
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Dea. Bachelor. Helbig. Elton. Arnot. And the 2012 draft have not really been given a shot at it ...
dea batchelor and helbig are in their 4th and 5th yrs respectively. make no mistake they have to be in the gun. batchelor in particular has weaknesses that just smack ya in the facehe imo hasnt got the tools to play consistently well at afl level. dea and helbig despite everything have had heaps of time to at the very least establish that they belong and are yet to do so.
elton and arnot are babies especially elton being a tall. the simple fact is there isnt one young nd pick taken after the first rnd since 2005 to now that has become a good consistent player for us.
our inability to find just 4 or 5 players here is killing us and jackson should be made accountable for it.
Batchelor is one of many who just gets worse when he comes to the club. His best games were the first ones he played for the club. :lol Lloyd should get out now because that's as good as it will get for him here.
Martin's best games were in his first 2 years. Funny if it wasn't true :banghead
If you saw Ablett play off half back you'd think WTF.
Not Dimma who has the foresight of playing him everywhere but where his strength lies and his best footy has been played. :help
That's why we haven't seen a standout game from him since lets say 2012.
Anyone remember the game against North by Cotch and Dusty in 2011.
These guys games and development are getting sacrificed so Titch can be at centre bounces instead so we can see how long into his 8 year career will it take for him to win a clean centre break and use the ball properly with skill and precision.
Everyone needs to be a plodder. No stars allowed.
Yep its called an even spread.
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Dea. Bachelor. Helbig. Elton. Arnot. And the 2012 draft have not really been given a shot at it ...
dea batchelor and helbig are in their 4th and 5th yrs respectively. make no mistake they have to be in the gun. batchelor in particular has weaknesses that just smack ya in the facehe imo hasnt got the tools to play consistently well at afl level. dea and helbig despite everything have had heaps of time to at the very least establish that they belong and are yet to do so.
elton and arnot are babies especially elton being a tall. the simple fact is there isnt one young nd pick taken after the first rnd since 2005 to now that has become a good consistent player for us.
our inability to find just 4 or 5 players here is killing us and jackson should be made accountable for it.
Batchelor is one of many who just gets worse when he comes to the club. His best games were the first ones he played for the club. :lol Lloyd should get out now because that's as good as it will get for him here.
Martin's best games were in his first 2 years. Funny if it wasn't true :banghead
If you saw Ablett play off half back you'd think WTF.
Not Dimma who has the foresight of playing him everywhere but where his strength lies and his best footy has been played. :help
That's why we haven't seen a standout game from him since lets say 2012.
Anyone remember the game against North by Cotch and Dusty in 2011.
These guys games and development are getting sacrificed so Titch can be at centre bounces instead so we can see how long into his 8 year career will it take for him to win a clean centre break and use the ball properly with skill and precision.
Everyone needs to be a plodder. No stars allowed.
Yep its called an even spread.
I reckon we've nailed an even spread of poo all over the sandwich tbh. About the only thing we've achieved in 30 years but we got there. :clapping
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Dea. Bachelor. Helbig. Elton. Arnot. And the 2012 draft have not really been given a shot at it ...
dea batchelor and helbig are in their 4th and 5th yrs respectively. make no mistake they have to be in the gun. batchelor in particular has weaknesses that just smack ya in the facehe imo hasnt got the tools to play consistently well at afl level. dea and helbig despite everything have had heaps of time to at the very least establish that they belong and are yet to do so.
elton and arnot are babies especially elton being a tall. the simple fact is there isnt one young nd pick taken after the first rnd since 2005 to now that has become a good consistent player for us.
our inability to find just 4 or 5 players here is killing us and jackson should be made accountable for it.
Batchelor is one of many who just gets worse when he comes to the club. His best games were the first ones he played for the club. :lol Lloyd should get out now because that's as good as it will get for him here.
Martin's best games were in his first 2 years. Funny if it wasn't true :banghead
If you saw Ablett play off half back you'd think WTF.
Not Dimma who has the foresight of playing him everywhere but where his strength lies and his best footy has been played. :help
That's why we haven't seen a standout game from him since lets say 2012.
Anyone remember the game against North by Cotch and Dusty in 2011.
These guys games and development are getting sacrificed so Titch can be at centre bounces instead so we can see how long into his 8 year career will it take for him to win a clean centre break and use the ball properly with skill and precision.
Everyone needs to be a plodder. No stars allowed.
Yep its called an even spread.
I reckon we've nailed an even spread of poo all over the sandwich tbh. About the only thing we've achieved in 30 years but we got there. :clapping
Only thing left is to keep piling on the skata, man v food style.
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I don't think we need a "rebuild" as such.
The club did the right thing in bringing in players like Houli, Grigg, Chaplin in a moneyball scenario bc they were upgrades on what we had, the problem is to continue improving we need(ed) to upgrade those types and we don't. I don't have a problem right at this stage of our evolution in having the likes of Pettard, Grigg, Houli on the list as backup, and in a year add Chaplin to that list too. Players like McDonough, Lennon, Helbig, Arnott, Gordon, Elton, Miles, Lloyd need to be given a red hot and fair chance NOW to see if they will be some of those upgrades. If not at least we find out and we can then either move them on first or move on the likes of Pettard, Grigg etc if the aforementioned show something.. Our problem has been that Dimma continues to play these guys who are reasonable as depth players but that have obvious flaws, ahead of the young guys who then become disenchanted and couldn't give a flying stuff. (imo)
This has to stop and has to stop now. Dimma can still salvage this and move fwd with our list and his career but he needs to make the calls now otherwise he will go down with the ship bc players like Grigg, Chaplin, Edwards, pettard, Newman & Vickery will ultimately let him down. Simply not up to it.
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Risks need to be taken. Need to test out and give experience to younger players. There was no reason for Arnot to be the sub. If Grigg was not going to be dropped he should have been the sub. Newman should not be played week in week out. McDonough should be given a run at the senior level to prove himself. Helbig, Lloyd, Miles if he is elevated and Lennon should all be given a good spell in the seniors. I would rather see the club try youth than sticking to the current formula which isn't working.
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That's what we all want and should expect elim. Lets find out how good our drafting has been by playing these young untried guys instead of the same ol same ol who are continually found lacking when the heat is on
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I don't think we need a "rebuild" as such.
The club did the right thing in bringing in players like Houli, Grigg, Chaplin in a moneyball scenario bc they were upgrades on what we had, the problem is to continue improving we need(ed) to upgrade those types and we don't. I don't have a problem right at this stage of our evolution in having the likes of Pettard, Grigg, Houli on the list as backup, and in a year add Chaplin to that list too. Players like McDonough, Lennon, Helbig, Arnott, Gordon, Elton, Miles, Lloyd need to be given a red hot and fair chance NOW to see if they will be some of those upgrades. If not at least we find out and we can then either move them on first or move on the likes of Pettard, Grigg etc if the aforementioned show something.. Our problem has been that Dimma continues to play these guys who are reasonable as depth players but that have obvious flaws, ahead of the young guys who then become disenchanted and couldn't give a flying stuff. (imo)
This has to stop and has to stop now. Dimma can still salvage this and move fwd with our list and his career but he needs to make the calls now otherwise he will go down with the ship bc players like Grigg, Chaplin, Edwards, pettard, Newman & Vickery will ultimately let him down. Simply not up to it.
agreed. No need to rebuild. We have a lot out. But we need to keep turning more guys over. Find out if Helbig can play. Trade Batch and Grigg. Someone else will be in our position of 2010 and need to upgrade. E.g. Melbourne.
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In regards to claws point
Players taken in the national draft are as follows. In regards to my point: we are apparently writing these types off - but have they been given six to eighth game in the favoured position to prove themselfs?
09: griffiths Astbury. Dea. Grimes
10: bachelor. Helbig.
11: Elton. Arnot. Ohanlon.
12: mcintosh. McBean. Mcdonuts. Williams.
13: Gordon. Llyod. Bannfield. Thomas.
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Like Malthouse said years ago - you're always rebuilding, though I'd expand on that further by saying good clubs don't rebuild, they just renovate regularly.
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Our rebuilds need to be major renovations but they are just always work in progress.
Richmond rebuilds are like the Western Ring Road. Never complete always infuriating.
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I don't think we need a "rebuild" as such.
The club did the right thing in bringing in players like Houli, Grigg, Chaplin in a moneyball scenario bc they were upgrades on what we had, the problem is to continue improving we need(ed) to upgrade those types and we don't. I don't have a problem right at this stage of our evolution in having the likes of Pettard, Grigg, Houli on the list as backup, and in a year add Chaplin to that list too. Players like McDonough, Lennon, Helbig, Arnott, Gordon, Elton, Miles, Lloyd need to be given a red hot and fair chance NOW to see if they will be some of those upgrades. If not at least we find out and we can then either move them on first or move on the likes of Pettard, Grigg etc if the aforementioned show something.. Our problem has been that Dimma continues to play these guys who are reasonable as depth players but that have obvious flaws, ahead of the young guys who then become disenchanted and couldn't give a flying stuff. (imo)
This has to stop and has to stop now. Dimma can still salvage this and move fwd with our list and his career but he needs to make the calls now otherwise he will go down with the ship bc players like Grigg, Chaplin, Edwards, pettard, Newman & Vickery will ultimately let him down. Simply not up to it.
agreed. No need to rebuild. We have a lot out. But we need to keep turning more guys over. Find out if Helbig can play. Trade Batch and Grigg. Someone else will be in our position of 2010 and need to upgrade. E.g. Melbourne.
Not twitch tambling? I'm hoping that's an oversight on your behalf
It's players like him which is why we are a pathetic club
Nahas another fine example. Many called his culling when he was in his so called prime
2 yrs later gone for nothing
Make the calls early and then you get your upgrades
Titch Tambling has more value down at the blue oyster bar than at the draft table
Biggest omosessuale to don the yellow and black since I can remember
However lets just gift him 200 games.
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Can you imagine Titch 200 games the same as Michael Roach.
Says it all really as to why we are an field basket case of a footy club.
My number 8 Esso jumper is groaning with discontent.
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It's a great thread ::)
Attack a persons weakness by trolling your own football club. About as courageous as Mcaffers effort on Cotchin :lol
Mind you Ramps is a master at attacking the exposes nerve
the people who work and earn money from the Richmond Football Club and that includes Players, Coaches and Administrators should be ashamed and embarrassed at the early season form shown by our players. Their wages and salaries are paid for by us the members and sponsors. Every year we turn up, every year we pay money, every year they ask us for more and we pay it, every year their is a new project to fund and we fund it, and every year for the past 34 years our players and administators who are paid by us FAIL US!
If you want to attack me for exposing the weakness thats fine, if you want to attack me for trolling the club thats fine as well AND I tell you this its absolutely fine because every year I pay my money and every year when they want more I pay more, and every year, every single year for the last 34 they fail me and you and every other supporter of the club Australia wide.
They should be embarrassed about their performances. In season 2014 its been nothing short of disgraceful and I make no apology for that :cheers
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In regards to claws point
Players taken in the national draft are as follows. In regards to my point: we are apparently writing these types off - but have they been given six to eighth game in the favoured position to prove themselfs?
09: griffiths Astbury. Dea. Grimes
10: bachelor. Helbig.
11: Elton. Arnot. Ohanlon.
12: mcintosh. McBean. Mcdonuts. Williams.
13: Gordon. Llyod. Bannfield. Thomas.
nd picks since jackson has been there after the first round
05 hughes 24, casserley 40.
06 edwards 26, connors 58, peterson 60, collins 73.
07 putt 51,
08 26 post, hislop 58 (m),
09 griffiths, astbury 35, dea 44, taylor 51, webberley 67, nason 71 (m),
10 batchelor 30, helbig 47, macdonald 51, derickx 63 (m).
11 elton 26, arnot 55,
12 mcintosh 31, mcbean 33, mcdonough 42.
13 gordon 50 (m), lloyd 66 (m).
if just 50% of thses blokes had or were to make it it would mean another 13 decent to very good players on our list and we dont have problems. imo there is not one proven player among the lot of em.
edwards has over 100 games but is mediocre. griffiths and astbury are only now starting to show a bit but have miles to go. i wouldnt like to comment on players after 2010 as they deserve time imo but none have made it or established themselves.
failing to find our fair share of solid to very good players in the nd is killing us and making it very hard to build GOOD depth and find enough quality. we just have to fix this area.
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I don't think we need a "rebuild" as such.
The club did the right thing in bringing in players like Houli, Grigg, Chaplin in a moneyball scenario bc they were upgrades on what we had, the problem is to continue improving we need(ed) to upgrade those types and we don't. I don't have a problem right at this stage of our evolution in having the likes of Pettard, Grigg, Houli on the list as backup, and in a year add Chaplin to that list too. Players like McDonough, Lennon, Helbig, Arnott, Gordon, Elton, Miles, Lloyd need to be given a red hot and fair chance NOW to see if they will be some of those upgrades. If not at least we find out and we can then either move them on first or move on the likes of Pettard, Grigg etc if the aforementioned show something.. Our problem has been that Dimma continues to play these guys who are reasonable as depth players but that have obvious flaws, ahead of the young guys who then become disenchanted and couldn't give a flying stuff. (imo)
This has to stop and has to stop now. Dimma can still salvage this and move fwd with our list and his career but he needs to make the calls now otherwise he will go down with the ship bc players like Grigg, Chaplin, Edwards, pettard, Newman & Vickery will ultimately let him down. Simply not up to it.
pretty much agree.
i look at it as, we are very much still in rebuild about half way thru ive said s much plenty of times. but got ahead of ourselves. our problem is we take mature players to fix or improve a problem we have now, which is fine, but in taking that mature player we do nothing about the longer term.
an example of this is hampson.
26 yr old back up mostly, we keep orren and our nuber one ruckman in maric is 28 and battling injuries. for sure take a hampson type but ffs rookie or draft a promising kid who looks capable of doing what ivan does.
i can do this scenario with just about every mature player we have taken.
and its all well and good me saying this but if you cant get a decent percentage of your nd picks rights it becomes almost impossible to do this. it leaves just one option and thats take an inordinate amount of mature types.
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the recruiting has shown very little ability in picking 2nd, 3rd or 4th round draft selection prospects who turn out to be any good. All they do is play safe with R1 selections and then sit back and claim they have had some huge success. Picking 1st round selections is easy. I remember even in here in the predraft phantom draft discussion me, gerkin and afew others wanted Dunstan who is a top quality player in the making. Anyone can pick 1st round selections.
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It's a great thread ::)
Attack a persons weakness by trolling your own football club. About as courageous as Mcaffers effort on Cotchin :lol
Mind you Ramps is a master at attacking the exposes nerve
the people who work and earn money from the Richmond Football Club and that includes Players, Coaches and Administrators should be ashamed and embarrassed at the early season form shown by our players. Their wages and salaries are paid for by us the members and sponsors. Every year we turn up, every year we pay money, every year they ask us for more and we pay it, every year their is a new project to fund and we fund it, and every year for the past 34 years our players and administators who are paid by us FAIL US!
If you want to attack me for exposing the weakness thats fine, if you want to attack me for trolling the club thats fine as well AND I tell you this its absolutely fine because every year I pay my money and every year when they want more I pay more, and every year, every single year for the last 34 they fail me and you and every other supporter of the club Australia wide.
They should be embarrassed about their performances. In season 2014 its been nothing short of disgraceful and I make no apology for that :cheers
:thumbsup :cheers :bow :clapping :gotigers
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the recruiting has shown very little ability in picking 2nd, 3rd or 4th round draft selection prospects who turn out to be any good. All they do is play safe with R1 selections and then sit back and claim they have had some huge success. Picking 1st round selections is easy. I remember even in here in the predraft phantom draft discussion me, gerkin and afew others wanted Dunstan who is a top quality player in the making. Anyone can pick 1st round selections.
Picking first round picks should be easy but that has not always proven right in the case of this club
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I don't think we need a "rebuild" as such.
The club did the right thing in bringing in players like Houli, Grigg, Chaplin in a moneyball scenario bc they were upgrades on what we had, the problem is to continue improving we need(ed) to upgrade those types and we don't. I don't have a problem right at this stage of our evolution in having the likes of Pettard, Grigg, Houli on the list as backup, and in a year add Chaplin to that list too. Players like McDonough, Lennon, Helbig, Arnott, Gordon, Elton, Miles, Lloyd need to be given a red hot and fair chance NOW to see if they will be some of those upgrades. If not at least we find out and we can then either move them on first or move on the likes of Pettard, Grigg etc if the aforementioned show something.. Our problem has been that Dimma continues to play these guys who are reasonable as depth players but that have obvious flaws, ahead of the young guys who then become disenchanted and couldn't give a flying stuff. (imo)
This has to stop and has to stop now. Dimma can still salvage this and move fwd with our list and his career but he needs to make the calls now otherwise he will go down with the ship bc players like Grigg, Chaplin, Edwards, pettard, Newman & Vickery will ultimately let him down. Simply not up to it.
agreed. No need to rebuild. We have a lot out. But we need to keep turning more guys over. Find out if Helbig can play. Trade Batch and Grigg. Someone else will be in our position of 2010 and need to upgrade. E.g. Melbourne.
Not twitch tambling? I'm hoping that's an oversight on your behalf
It's players like him which is why we are a pathetic club
Nahas another fine example. Many called his culling when he was in his so called prime
2 yrs later gone for nothing
Make the calls early and then you get your upgrades
Titch Tambling has more value down at the blue oyster bar than at the draft table
Biggest omosessuale to don the yellow and black since I can remember
However lets just gift him 200 games.
free agent is he not. Hopefully he leaves on his own accord.
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In regards to claws point
Players taken in the national draft are as follows. In regards to my point: we are apparently writing these types off - but have they been given six to eighth game in the favoured position to prove themselfs?
09: griffiths Astbury. Dea. Grimes
10: bachelor. Helbig.
11: Elton. Arnot. Ohanlon.
12: mcintosh. McBean. Mcdonuts. Williams.
13: Gordon. Llyod. Bannfield. Thomas.
nd picks since jackson has been there after the first round
05 hughes 24, casserley 40.
06 edwards 26, connors 58, peterson 60, collins 73.
07 putt 51,
08 26 post, hislop 58 (m),
09 griffiths, astbury 35, dea 44, taylor 51, webberley 67, nason 71 (m),
10 batchelor 30, helbig 47, macdonald 51, derickx 63 (m).
11 elton 26, arnot 55,
12 mcintosh 31, mcbean 33, mcdonough 42.
13 gordon 50 (m), lloyd 66 (m).
if just 50% of thses blokes had or were to make it it would mean another 13 decent to very good players on our list and we dont have problems. imo there is not one proven player among the lot of em.
edwards has over 100 games but is mediocre. griffiths and astbury are only now starting to show a bit but have miles to go. i wouldnt like to comment on players after 2010 as they deserve time imo but none have made it or established themselves.
failing to find our fair share of solid to very good players in the nd is killing us and making it very hard to build GOOD depth and find enough quality. we just have to fix this area.
Given the issue at hand is hard wick, how much point is there going back to the times of Cleve Hughes and travel casserly
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It's a great thread ::)
Attack a persons weakness by trolling your own football club. About as courageous as Mcaffers effort on Cotchin :lol
Mind you Ramps is a master at attacking the exposes nerve
the people who work and earn money from the Richmond Football Club and that includes Players, Coaches and Administrators should be ashamed and embarrassed at the early season form shown by our players. Their wages and salaries are paid for by us the members and sponsors. Every year we turn up, every year we pay money, every year they ask us for more and we pay it, every year their is a new project to fund and we fund it, and every year for the past 34 years our players and administators who are paid by us FAIL US!
If you want to attack me for exposing the weakness thats fine, if you want to attack me for trolling the club thats fine as well AND I tell you this its absolutely fine because every year I pay my money and every year when they want more I pay more, and every year, every single year for the last 34 they fail me and you and every other supporter of the club Australia wide.
They should be embarrassed about their performances. In season 2014 its been nothing short of disgraceful and I make no apology for that :cheers
Oh cry me a river ya drama queen.....
Weren't you the same guy that wanted a personal letter before you joined? I'd say your membership is highly conditional on your ego getting massaged.
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Way too much spin at Punt Rd
Players not good enough
Club falls in love with them
Agree with Ramps 100%
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Way too much spin at Punt Rd
Players not good enough
Club falls in love with them
Agree with Ramps 100%
I don't mind the occasional spin but it must be backed up by decent performances. The problem is if all you get is spin, it starts to sicken you.
The players are either not good enough or not well coached - it has to be one of the two or both. I suspect it is far more the former as I'm sure Hardwick doesn't sit there and say don't chase, harass, block for your teammate, be front and square at contests, run hard and make position for your teammate to kick it to you, stand up for your captain when he is being consistently scragged, run away from contests, stay in front of your man etc etc.......
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the recruiting has shown very little ability in picking 2nd, 3rd or 4th round draft selection prospects who turn out to be any good. All they do is play safe with R1 selections and then sit back and claim they have had some huge success. Picking 1st round selections is easy. I remember even in here in the predraft phantom draft discussion me, gerkin and afew others wanted Dunstan who is a top quality player in the making. Anyone can pick 1st round selections.
Picking first round picks should be easy but that has not always proven right in the case of this club
In all honesty, and not just because we have been putrid this year, IMO our first round draft picks have been pretty average-
Vickory, have to say he has been a 5 out of 10, plays some good games but way to inconsistent.
Cotch, star, 10, our only genuine A grader.
Dusty, massive tick for mine, 8, and could be anything.
Conca, been ok at best, sh4t kick, but has a go, 6
Ellis, from day one I haven't rated him, gets easy kicks and even then goes sides with them most of the time, to scared to make a mistake, 4
Vlastuin, big tick until the other night, seemed like a different player, but still a tick, 7
Lennon, to early to tell, but I'll be honest, looks to be a long way off, and that's ok.
So that's one star and two very good players out of 7 so far.
Still a chance for that to change but if I'm honest with myself I'm only hopefully about maybe one more.
Just my take.
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the recruiting has shown very little ability in picking 2nd, 3rd or 4th round draft selection prospects who turn out to be any good. All they do is play safe with R1 selections and then sit back and claim they have had some huge success. Picking 1st round selections is easy. I remember even in here in the predraft phantom draft discussion me, gerkin and afew others wanted Dunstan who is a top quality player in the making. Anyone can pick 1st round selections.
Picking first round picks should be easy but that has not always proven right in the case of this club
In all honesty, and not just because we have been putrid this year, IMO our first round draft picks have been pretty average-
Vickory, have to say he has been a 5 out of 10, plays some good games but way to inconsistent.
Cotch, star, 10, our only genuine A grader.
Dusty, massive tick for mine, 8, and could be anything.
Conca, been ok at best, sh4t kick, but has a go, 6
Ellis, from day one I haven't rated him, gets easy kicks and even then goes sides with them most of the time, to scared to make a mistake, 4
Vlastuin, big tick until the other night, seemed like a different player, but still a tick, 7
Lennon, to early to tell, but I'll be honest, looks to be a long way off, and that's ok.
So that's one star and two very good players out of 7 so far.
Still a chance for that to change but if I'm honest with myself I'm only hopefully about maybe one more.
Just my take.
Out of the list - only Vickery atm looks like a poor choice at 8. To be fair on Ellis, he was choice 15, so nowhere near a top 10 pick and GC had taken the 17 year olds so he was even lower than that. Not many have done better than him overall who where selected after him.
Apart form Heppell not many have been as good as Conca and he has had several injuries to interrupt his development.
Vlastuin is a gem but played like he was still concussed the other night.
Lennon has had knee surgery but I rated him as a junior and was picked outside the top 10. Also copped an ankle 2 weeks ago. Far too early to tell.
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the recruiting has shown very little ability in picking 2nd, 3rd or 4th round draft selection prospects who turn out to be any good. All they do is play safe with R1 selections and then sit back and claim they have had some huge success. Picking 1st round selections is easy. I remember even in here in the predraft phantom draft discussion me, gerkin and afew others wanted Dunstan who is a top quality player in the making. Anyone can pick 1st round selections.
Picking first round picks should be easy but that has not always proven right in the case of this club
In all honesty, and not just because we have been putrid this year, IMO our first round draft picks have been pretty average-
Vickory, have to say he has been a 5 out of 10, plays some good games but way to inconsistent.
Cotch, star, 10, our only genuine A grader.
Dusty, massive tick for mine, 8, and could be anything.
Conca, been ok at best, sh4t kick, but has a go, 6
Ellis, from day one I haven't rated him, gets easy kicks and even then goes sides with them most of the time, to scared to make a mistake, 4
Vlastuin, big tick until the other night, seemed like a different player, but still a tick, 7
Lennon, to early to tell, but I'll be honest, looks to be a long way off, and that's ok.
So that's one star and two very good players out of 7 so far.
Still a chance for that to change but if I'm honest with myself I'm only hopefully about maybe one more.
Just my take.
Out of the list - only Vickery atm looks like a poor choice at 8. To be fair on Ellis, he was choice 15, so nowhere near a top 10 pick and GC had taken the 17 year olds so he was even lower than that. Not many have done better than him overall who where selected after him.
Apart form Heppell not many have been as good as Conca and he has had several injuries to interrupt his development.
Vlastuin is a gem but played like he was still concussed the other night.
Lennon has had knee surgery but I rated him as a junior and was picked outside the top 10. Also copped an ankle 2 weeks ago. Far too early to tell.
Conca is massively over rated by people at Richmond IMO. You may want to take a look at his draft if you think only Heppell has been better. All three picks after him are miles better than him.
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I just had a look at that draft, I have counted 13 conservatively that I rate better players now than Reece and probably another 5 to 10 that IMO will be better. It was actually a really good draft.
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I just had a look at that draft, I have counted 13 conservatively that I rate better players now than Reece and probably another 5 to 10 that IMO will be better. It was actually a really good draft.
Who are these 13?
Maybe Prestia but he hasn't had any injuries to hinder his development. Certainly not Lucas Cook. Isaac Smith is 2 years older so it's difficult to compare. Lynch really hasn't set the game on fire. Atley has been ok but goes missing when it counts. Ben Jacobs is into his second club. Matthew Watson better than Conca?
Ok Jack Darling - but you can say the same for 16 other teams and he was in trouble with the law at the time.
Give Reece a chance with a full preseason before you pass judgement. I think that's the only way to be fair.
I'm giving him that chance.
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It's a great thread ::)
Attack a persons weakness by trolling your own football club. About as courageous as Mcaffers effort on Cotchin :lol
Mind you Ramps is a master at attacking the exposes nerve
the people who work and earn money from the Richmond Football Club and that includes Players, Coaches and Administrators should be ashamed and embarrassed at the early season form shown by our players. Their wages and salaries are paid for by us the members and sponsors. Every year we turn up, every year we pay money, every year they ask us for more and we pay it, every year their is a new project to fund and we fund it, and every year for the past 34 years our players and administators who are paid by us FAIL US!
If you want to attack me for exposing the weakness thats fine, if you want to attack me for trolling the club thats fine as well AND I tell you this its absolutely fine because every year I pay my money and every year when they want more I pay more, and every year, every single year for the last 34 they fail me and you and every other supporter of the club Australia wide.
They should be embarrassed about their performances. In season 2014 its been nothing short of disgraceful and I make no apology for that :cheers
Oh cry me a river ya drama queen.....
Weren't you the same guy that wanted a personal letter before you joined? I'd say your membership is highly conditional on your ego getting massaged.
Considering my length of membership Id say you were wrong. I also wanted the club to do what its done for the last 25 years at least and thats send out membership forms so you are wrong. You are also wrong with your attitude to the club. Its supporters like you who let the club off the hook for their diabolical performance. Youre just another apologist for the failures of the club over the last 34. Dont be such a suckhole HRT, you come across as just another suck up to the administrators at the RFC. :cheers
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Said it the other week but IMV the person who should be under the microscope more than anyone right now is Blair Hartley.
He is the one who said lets get Grigg, Houli, Chaplin.
He is the one who said its Ok if we lose White he's replaceable but as yet we haven't replaced him(even Dimma admitted that a pre match coterie function on Friday night).
He's the one who says we should give up draft picks and use it on the FAgents. His job is to build our list, analyse it and improve it. He's is also a major player in telling the recruiting guys what type of players to target.
Based on what we've seen so far this year you have to question what the hell he is doing and whether he has too much say
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Said it the other week but IMV the person who should be under the microscope more than anyone right now is Blair Hartley.
He is the one who said lets get Grigg, Houli, Chaplin.
He is the one who said its Ok if we lose White he's replaceable but as yet we haven't replaced him(even Dimma admitted that a pre match coterie function on Friday night).
He's the one who says we should give up draft picks and use it on the limpents. His job is to build our list, analyse it and improve it. He's is also a major player in telling the recruiting guys what type of players to target.
Based on what we've seen so far this year you have to question what the hell he is doing and whether he has too much say
He did well with Grigg and HOuli at the time. Problem is we settled. We keep extending contracts rather than trading and upgrading.
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Hartley probably just feels like he has to produce one of these types of signing every year to justify his job. In the end Grigg, Houli, Chaplin etc etc are just not players that can help us to a flag. Hartley should be scheming up ways to raid GWS and GCS of some youngsters not bringing in 25yo+ rejects from other clubs.
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Hartley probably just feels like he has to produce one of these types of signing every year to justify his job. In the end Grigg, Houli, Chaplin etc etc are just not players that can help us to a flag. Hartley should be scheming up ways to raid GWS and GCS of some youngsters not bringing in 25yo+ rejects from other clubs.
I'd rather we just draft our own stars. They cost a stuff load less. It's the Geelong way. If only numb nuts would play the kids we draft rather than the spuds he forces us to rookie. :banghead
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I just had a look at that draft, I have counted 13 conservatively that I rate better players now than Reece and probably another 5 to 10 that IMO will be better. It was actually a really good draft.
Who are these 13?
Maybe Prestia but he hasn't had any injuries to hinder his development. Certainly not Lucas Cook. Isaac Smith is 2 years older so it's difficult to compare. Lynch really hasn't set the game on fire. Atley has been ok but goes missing when it counts. Ben Jacobs is into his second club. Matthew Watson better than Conca?
Ok Jack Darling - but you can say the same for 16 other teams and he was in trouble with the law at the time.
Give Reece a chance with a full preseason before you pass judgement. I think that's the only way to be fair.
I'm giving him that chance.
Remember this draft was in 2010, not last year. Conca has had ample time, let's not use injury as his excuse.
Simple kicking and ball handling do not get set back by injury, and I'm afraid Reece is suspect in both pretty important areas of our great game.
Here is my list of people I would do a straight swap for today-
J. Caddy
D.Heppell
D.Prestia
S. Atley
I. Smith
J. Darling
K. Harper
J. Howe
G. Horlin-Smith
L. Parker
T. Liberatore
T. McDonald
A. Johnson
P. Puoplo
And here is my list of players I think will be better than Reece
J. Pitt
T. Lynch
B. Smedts
M. Wallis
C. Guthrie
C. O'Shea
Now I know that your not going to agree with them all and that's fine too but there is 20 odd names that were all drafted after Reece. He is very limited IMO. Doesn't mean I don't like him but I can see we made a mistake taking Reece at pick 6. Can you?....now?
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Said it the other week but IMV the person who should be under the microscope more than anyone right now is Blair Hartley.
He is the one who said lets get Grigg, Houli, Chaplin.
He is the one who said its Ok if we lose White he's replaceable but as yet we haven't replaced him(even Dimma admitted that a pre match coterie function on Friday night).
He's the one who says we should give up draft picks and use it on the limpents. His job is to build our list, analyse it and improve it. He's is also a major player in telling the recruiting guys what type of players to target.
Based on what we've seen so far this year you have to question what the hell he is doing and whether he has too much say
Knew Blair when he worked at Essendon editing videos
Horrified when he turned up at Punt Rd
People just get a job as there in the " mates club" system
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I just had a look at that draft, I have counted 13 conservatively that I rate better players now than Reece and probably another 5 to 10 that IMO will be better. It was actually a really good draft.
Who are these 13?
Maybe Prestia but he hasn't had any injuries to hinder his development. Certainly not Lucas Cook. Isaac Smith is 2 years older so it's difficult to compare. Lynch really hasn't set the game on fire. Atley has been ok but goes missing when it counts. Ben Jacobs is into his second club. Matthew Watson better than Conca?
Ok Jack Darling - but you can say the same for 16 other teams and he was in trouble with the law at the time.
Give Reece a chance with a full preseason before you pass judgement. I think that's the only way to be fair.
I'm giving him that chance.
Remember this draft was in 2010, not last year. Conca has had ample time, let's not use injury as his excuse.
Simple kicking and ball handling do not get set back by injury, and I'm afraid Reece is suspect in both pretty important areas of our great game.
Here is my list of people I would do a straight swap for today-
J. Caddy
D.Heppell
D.Prestia
S. Atley
I. Smith
J. Darling
K. Harper
J. Howe
G. Horlin-Smith
L. Parker
T. Liberatore
T. McDonald
A. Johnson
P. Puoplo
And here is my list of players I think will be better than Reece
J. Pitt
T. Lynch
B. Smedts
M. Wallis
C. Guthrie
C. O'Shea
Now I know that your not going to agree with them all and that's fine too but there is 20 odd names that were all drafted after Reece. He is very limited IMO. Doesn't mean I don't like him but I can see we made a mistake taking Reece at pick 6. Can you?....now?
Caddy is rubbish. Harper hasn't had a kick. McDonald can't kick for poo.
You're taking the pee naming F/S players
And further taking the pee with Jayden Pitt. I'll let you figure out why he will NEVER EVER be a better player than Reece.
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I just had a look at that draft, I have counted 13 conservatively that I rate better players now than Reece and probably another 5 to 10 that IMO will be better. It was actually a really good draft.
Who are these 13?
Maybe Prestia but he hasn't had any injuries to hinder his development. Certainly not Lucas Cook. Isaac Smith is 2 years older so it's difficult to compare. Lynch really hasn't set the game on fire. Atley has been ok but goes missing when it counts. Ben Jacobs is into his second club. Matthew Watson better than Conca?
Ok Jack Darling - but you can say the same for 16 other teams and he was in trouble with the law at the time.
Give Reece a chance with a full preseason before you pass judgement. I think that's the only way to be fair.
I'm giving him that chance.
Remember this draft was in 2010, not last year. Conca has had ample time, let's not use injury as his excuse.
Simple kicking and ball handling do not get set back by injury, and I'm afraid Reece is suspect in both pretty important areas of our great game.
Here is my list of people I would do a straight swap for today-
J. Caddy
D.Heppell
D.Prestia
S. Atley
I. Smith
J. Darling
K. Harper
J. Howe
G. Horlin-Smith
L. Parker
T. Liberatore
T. McDonald
A. Johnson
P. Puoplo
And here is my list of players I think will be better than Reece
J. Pitt
T. Lynch
B. Smedts
M. Wallis
C. Guthrie
C. O'Shea
Now I know that your not going to agree with them all and that's fine too but there is 20 odd names that were all drafted after Reece. He is very limited IMO. Doesn't mean I don't like him but I can see we made a mistake taking Reece at pick 6. Can you?....now?
Caddy is rubbish. Harper hasn't had a kick. McDonald can't kick for poo.
You're taking the pee naming F/S players
And further taking the pee with Jayden Pitt. I'll let you figure out why he will NEVER EVER be a better player than Reece.
:clapping
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It's a great thread ::)
Attack a persons weakness by trolling your own football club. About as courageous as Mcaffers effort on Cotchin :lol
Mind you Ramps is a master at attacking the exposes nerve
the people who work and earn money from the Richmond Football Club and that includes Players, Coaches and Administrators should be ashamed and embarrassed at the early season form shown by our players. Their wages and salaries are paid for by us the members and sponsors. Every year we turn up, every year we pay money, every year they ask us for more and we pay it, every year their is a new project to fund and we fund it, and every year for the past 34 years our players and administators who are paid by us FAIL US!
If you want to attack me for exposing the weakness thats fine, if you want to attack me for trolling the club thats fine as well AND I tell you this its absolutely fine because every year I pay my money and every year when they want more I pay more, and every year, every single year for the last 34 they fail me and you and every other supporter of the club Australia wide.
They should be embarrassed about their performances. In season 2014 its been nothing short of disgraceful and I make no apology for that :cheers
Oh cry me a river ya drama queen.....
Weren't you the same guy that wanted a personal letter before you joined? I'd say your membership is highly conditional on your ego getting massaged.
Considering my length of membership Id say you were wrong. I also wanted the club to do what its done for the last 25 years at least and thats send out membership forms so you are wrong. You are also wrong with your attitude to the club. Its supporters like you who let the club off the hook for their diabolical performance. Youre just another apologist for the failures of the club over the last 34. Dont be such a suckhole HRT, you come across as just another suck up to the administrators at the RFC. :cheers
What the stuffing heck are you crapping on about? Where am I sucking up to the admin of the club?
And what the hell does your length of membership have to do with it? I've been a member for 35 years but I don't ram in down someone's throat like a John Holmes movie.
Your like a Shane Edwards hand pass, looks good in close but still completely misses the mark.
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your clapping HRT for making a statement which was full of untruths and mistatements :lol
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Said it the other week but IMV the person who should be under the microscope more than anyone right now is Blair Hartley.
He is the one who said lets get Grigg, Houli, Chaplin.
He is the one who said its Ok if we lose White he's replaceable but as yet we haven't replaced him(even Dimma admitted that a pre match coterie function on Friday night).
He's the one who says we should give up draft picks and use it on the limpents. His job is to build our list, analyse it and improve it. He's is also a major player in telling the recruiting guys what type of players to target.
Based on what we've seen so far this year you have to question what the hell he is doing and whether he has too much say
He did well with Grigg and HOuli at the time. Problem is we settled. We keep extending contracts rather than trading and upgrading.
Grigg has refused to chase and tackle since he arrived just like he did atCarlton
As for the extending of contracts, have a guess has input in that too? Yep good old Blair
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Just saw the brilliant Heppel get out run by Johnston of Freo who was cantering....
Conca would have caught him easily......
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In regards to claws point
Players taken in the national draft are as follows. In regards to my point: we are apparently writing these types off - but have they been given six to eighth game in the favoured position to prove themselfs?
09: griffiths Astbury. Dea. Grimes
10: bachelor. Helbig.
11: Elton. Arnot. Ohanlon.
12: mcintosh. McBean. Mcdonuts. Williams.
13: Gordon. Llyod. Bannfield. Thomas.
nd picks since jackson has been there after the first round
05 hughes 24, casserley 40.
06 edwards 26, connors 58, peterson 60, collins 73.
07 putt 51,
08 26 post, hislop 58 (m),
09 griffiths, astbury 35, dea 44, taylor 51, webberley 67, nason 71 (m),
10 batchelor 30, helbig 47, macdonald 51, derickx 63 (m).
11 elton 26, arnot 55,
12 mcintosh 31, mcbean 33, mcdonough 42.
13 gordon 50 (m), lloyd 66 (m).
if just 50% of thses blokes had or were to make it it would mean another 13 decent to very good players on our list and we dont have problems. imo there is not one proven player among the lot of em.
edwards has over 100 games but is mediocre. griffiths and astbury are only now starting to show a bit but have miles to go. i wouldnt like to comment on players after 2010 as they deserve time imo but none have made it or established themselves.
failing to find our fair share of solid to very good players in the nd is killing us and making it very hard to build GOOD depth and find enough quality. we just have to fix this area.
Given the issue at hand is hard wick, how much point is there going back to the times of Cleve Hughes and travel casserly
i would have thought that was obvious when discussing francis jackson.
so we are full circle and back to blaming the the coach, it has nothing to do with the catlle at his disposal.
maybe just maybe the out look should be, we won 15 games with that list last yr what an achievement. perhaps he should be getting kudos.
is hardwick the issue at hand. maybe but that does not mean there are not more relevant issues.
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I just had a look at that draft, I have counted 13 conservatively that I rate better players now than Reece and probably another 5 to 10 that IMO will be better. It was actually a really good draft.
Who are these 13?
Maybe Prestia but he hasn't had any injuries to hinder his development. Certainly not Lucas Cook. Isaac Smith is 2 years older so it's difficult to compare. Lynch really hasn't set the game on fire. Atley has been ok but goes missing when it counts. Ben Jacobs is into his second club. Matthew Watson better than Conca?
Ok Jack Darling - but you can say the same for 16 other teams and he was in trouble with the law at the time.
Give Reece a chance with a full preseason before you pass judgement. I think that's the only way to be fair.
I'm giving him that chance.
Remember this draft was in 2010, not last year. Conca has had ample time, let's not use injury as his excuse.
Simple kicking and ball handling do not get set back by injury, and I'm afraid Reece is suspect in both pretty important areas of our great game.
Here is my list of people I would do a straight swap for today-
J. Caddy
D.Heppell
D.Prestia
S. Atley
I. Smith
J. Darling
K. Harper
J. Howe
G. Horlin-Smith
L. Parker
T. Liberatore
T. McDonald
A. Johnson
P. Puoplo
And here is my list of players I think will be better than Reece
J. Pitt
T. Lynch
B. Smedts
M. Wallis
C. Guthrie
C. O'Shea
Now I know that your not going to agree with them all and that's fine too but there is 20 odd names that were all drafted after Reece. He is very limited IMO. Doesn't mean I don't like him but I can see we made a mistake taking Reece at pick 6. Can you?....now?
Caddy is rubbish. Harper hasn't had a kick. McDonald can't kick for poo.
You're taking the pee naming F/S players
And further taking the pee with Jayden Pitt. I'll let you figure out why he will NEVER EVER be a better player than Reece.
I would be interested to hear what other people think of Caddy compared to our Reece?
On the father sons that I mentioned I thought if you offered a first round choice for a player the team who's dad played their would have to match that round draft pick? Not sure what happens when there are two F/S but Tom is a million miles ahead of Reece and went in the second round when we had pick 5?
And on Jayden Pitt I got him mixed up with that other skinny kid from Port, Jasper Pittard. My mistake.
Anyway there is another 15 odd names so I assume you think they are better than Reece?
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I just had a look at that draft, I have counted 13 conservatively that I rate better players now than Reece and probably another 5 to 10 that IMO will be better. It was actually a really good draft.
Who are these 13?
Maybe Prestia but he hasn't had any injuries to hinder his development. Certainly not Lucas Cook. Isaac Smith is 2 years older so it's difficult to compare. Lynch really hasn't set the game on fire. Atley has been ok but goes missing when it counts. Ben Jacobs is into his second club. Matthew Watson better than Conca?
Ok Jack Darling - but you can say the same for 16 other teams and he was in trouble with the law at the time.
Give Reece a chance with a full preseason before you pass judgement. I think that's the only way to be fair.
I'm giving him that chance.
Remember this draft was in 2010, not last year. Conca has had ample time, let's not use injury as his excuse.
Simple kicking and ball handling do not get set back by injury, and I'm afraid Reece is suspect in both pretty important areas of our great game.
Here is my list of people I would do a straight swap for today-
J. Caddy
D.Heppell
D.Prestia
S. Atley
I. Smith
J. Darling
K. Harper
J. Howe
G. Horlin-Smith
L. Parker
T. Liberatore
T. McDonald
A. Johnson
P. Puoplo
And here is my list of players I think will be better than Reece
J. Pitt
T. Lynch
B. Smedts
M. Wallis
C. Guthrie
C. O'Shea
Now I know that your not going to agree with them all and that's fine too but there is 20 odd names that were all drafted after Reece. He is very limited IMO. Doesn't mean I don't like him but I can see we made a mistake taking Reece at pick 6. Can you?....now?
Caddy is rubbish. Harper hasn't had a kick. McDonald can't kick for poo.
You're taking the pee naming F/S players
And further taking the pee with Jayden Pitt. I'll let you figure out why he will NEVER EVER be a better player than Reece.
:clapping
You ask me to name some player and I give you 20 names and you come back with clapping. You are obviously a really interesting person to have a conversation with. Glad I bothered.
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I just had a look at that draft, I have counted 13 conservatively that I rate better players now than Reece and probably another 5 to 10 that IMO will be better. It was actually a really good draft.
Who are these 13?
Maybe Prestia but he hasn't had any injuries to hinder his development. Certainly not Lucas Cook. Isaac Smith is 2 years older so it's difficult to compare. Lynch really hasn't set the game on fire. Atley has been ok but goes missing when it counts. Ben Jacobs is into his second club. Matthew Watson better than Conca?
Ok Jack Darling - but you can say the same for 16 other teams and he was in trouble with the law at the time.
Give Reece a chance with a full preseason before you pass judgement. I think that's the only way to be fair.
I'm giving him that chance.
Remember this draft was in 2010, not last year. Conca has had ample time, let's not use injury as his excuse.
Simple kicking and ball handling do not get set back by injury, and I'm afraid Reece is suspect in both pretty important areas of our great game.
Here is my list of people I would do a straight swap for today-
J. Caddy
D.Heppell
D.Prestia
S. Atley
I. Smith
J. Darling
K. Harper
J. Howe
G. Horlin-Smith
L. Parker
T. Liberatore
T. McDonald
A. Johnson
P. Puoplo
And here is my list of players I think will be better than Reece
J. Pitt
T. Lynch
B. Smedts
M. Wallis
C. Guthrie
C. O'Shea
Now I know that your not going to agree with them all and that's fine too but there is 20 odd names that were all drafted after Reece. He is very limited IMO. Doesn't mean I don't like him but I can see we made a mistake taking Reece at pick 6. Can you?....now?
Caddy is rubbish. Harper hasn't had a kick. McDonald can't kick for poo.
You're taking the pee naming F/S players
And further taking the pee with Jayden Pitt. I'll let you figure out why he will NEVER EVER be a better player than Reece.
:clapping
You ask me to name some player and I give you 20 names and you come back with clapping. You are obviously a really interesting person to have a conversation with. Glad I bothered.
Can you bloody well read? The clapping was that I agreed with tigs2011 post. It wasn't directed at you. You named a random 20 players that anyone could have got off the internet. You hardly put any thought into explaining why you said any of them were better than Conca. By the way, Conca has had injuries since he came to Richmond. The were related to bone spurs in both feet. This has not allowed him to have a full preseason since he has been at the club. Do some proper research before posting.
If you want to get personal about being interesting or not just whack off. I don't need people like you being demeaning in a sarcastic way.
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The let the best HFF leave too easy. Dmac kicked another lazy 8 yesterday & gave a few off. Got to get this lad back.
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The let the best HFF leave too easy. Dmac kicked another lazy 8 yesterday & gave a few off. Got to get this lad back.
Dmac is a stuffing sook who will never play AFL. Who cares about him kicking goals in the country.
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The let the best HFF leave too easy. Dmac kicked another lazy 8 yesterday & gave a few off. Got to get this lad back.
Dmac is a stuffing sook who will never play AFL. Who cares about him kicking goals in the country.
if RFC dont go after him again, then l'm afraid another club like Collingwood who had 2 goes for him will get him back to the AFL. He is way too good to be playing down here. he runs them down at half pace. The lad is a champion in the making. His tagged every week & he breaks them with his fitness. He is fit thats for sure
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If he wants to play in the AFL again he should be at Port Melbourne or another VFL club.
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I just had a look at that draft, I have counted 13 conservatively that I rate better players now than Reece and probably another 5 to 10 that IMO will be better. It was actually a really good draft.
Who are these 13?
Maybe Prestia but he hasn't had any injuries to hinder his development. Certainly not Lucas Cook. Isaac Smith is 2 years older so it's difficult to compare. Lynch really hasn't set the game on fire. Atley has been ok but goes missing when it counts. Ben Jacobs is into his second club. Matthew Watson better than Conca?
Ok Jack Darling - but you can say the same for 16 other teams and he was in trouble with the law at the time.
Give Reece a chance with a full preseason before you pass judgement. I think that's the only way to be fair.
I'm giving him that chance.
Remember this draft was in 2010, not last year. Conca has had ample time, let's not use injury as his excuse.
Simple kicking and ball handling do not get set back by injury, and I'm afraid Reece is suspect in both pretty important areas of our great game.
Here is my list of people I would do a straight swap for today-
J. Caddy
D.Heppell
D.Prestia
S. Atley
I. Smith
J. Darling
K. Harper
J. Howe
G. Horlin-Smith
L. Parker
T. Liberatore
T. McDonald
A. Johnson
P. Puoplo
And here is my list of players I think will be better than Reece
J. Pitt
T. Lynch
B. Smedts
M. Wallis
C. Guthrie
C. O'Shea
Now I know that your not going to agree with them all and that's fine too but there is 20 odd names that were all drafted after Reece. He is very limited IMO. Doesn't mean I don't like him but I can see we made a mistake taking Reece at pick 6. Can you?....now?
Caddy is rubbish. Harper hasn't had a kick. McDonald can't kick for poo.
You're taking the pee naming F/S players
And further taking the pee with Jayden Pitt. I'll let you figure out why he will NEVER EVER be a better player than Reece.
:clapping
You ask me to name some player and I give you 20 names and you come back with clapping. You are obviously a really interesting person to have a conversation with. Glad I bothered.
Can you bloody well read? The clapping was that I agreed with tigs2011 post. It wasn't directed at you. You named a random 20 players that anyone could have got off the internet. You hardly put any thought into explaining why you said any of them were better than Conca. By the way, Conca has had injuries since he came to Richmond. The were related to bone spurs in both feet. This has not allowed him to have a full preseason since he has been at the club. Do some proper research before posting.
If you want to get personal about being interesting or not just whack off. I don't need people like you being demeaning in a sarcastic way.
Can I bloody well read? How old are you! You put I little figure of someone clapping! What I read from that is you are boring. You asked me a direct question and I gave you an answer. No need to go into detail about 20 players I would prefer over Reece. And if you don't like being treated like a d/ckhead don't act like one. :clapping
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I just had a look at that draft, I have counted 13 conservatively that I rate better players now than Reece and probably another 5 to 10 that IMO will be better. It was actually a really good draft.
Who are these 13?
Maybe Prestia but he hasn't had any injuries to hinder his development. Certainly not Lucas Cook. Isaac Smith is 2 years older so it's difficult to compare. Lynch really hasn't set the game on fire. Atley has been ok but goes missing when it counts. Ben Jacobs is into his second club. Matthew Watson better than Conca?
Ok Jack Darling - but you can say the same for 16 other teams and he was in trouble with the law at the time.
Give Reece a chance with a full preseason before you pass judgement. I think that's the only way to be fair.
I'm giving him that chance.
Remember this draft was in 2010, not last year. Conca has had ample time, let's not use injury as his excuse.
Simple kicking and ball handling do not get set back by injury, and I'm afraid Reece is suspect in both pretty important areas of our great game.
Here is my list of people I would do a straight swap for today-
J. Caddy
D.Heppell
D.Prestia
S. Atley
I. Smith
J. Darling
K. Harper
J. Howe
G. Horlin-Smith
L. Parker
T. Liberatore
T. McDonald
A. Johnson
P. Puoplo
And here is my list of players I think will be better than Reece
J. Pitt
T. Lynch
B. Smedts
M. Wallis
C. Guthrie
C. O'Shea
Now I know that your not going to agree with them all and that's fine too but there is 20 odd names that were all drafted after Reece. He is very limited IMO. Doesn't mean I don't like him but I can see we made a mistake taking Reece at pick 6. Can you?....now?
Caddy is rubbish. Harper hasn't had a kick. McDonald can't kick for poo.
You're taking the pee naming F/S players
And further taking the pee with Jayden Pitt. I'll let you figure out why he will NEVER EVER be a better player than Reece.
I would be interested to hear what other people think of Caddy compared to our Reece?
On the father sons that I mentioned I thought if you offered a first round choice for a player the team who's dad played their would have to match that round draft pick? Not sure what happens when there are two F/S but Tom is a million miles ahead of Reece and went in the second round when we had pick 5?
And on Jayden Pitt I got him mixed up with that other skinny kid from Port, Jasper Pittard. My mistake.
Anyway there is another 15 odd names so I assume you think they are better than Reece?
libba had a first round bid on him. Wallis had a higher one bid. Therefore they got one with 1st and one with 2nd. Pittard is also irrelevant. There are some in your second list that I wouldn't take over Reece but the ones in the first list I didn't mention I agree with.
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I don't care for your list I care for one player
Heppell
Was ours all the way yet for some incredible idiotic decision we decide to take a c grader in Conca
Gee I was hoping eagles took him now we are stuck with him
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WGAF!?
Seriously. Nobody is gonna do anything about it.
Suck it up ladies.
The club is poo
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WGAF!?
Seriously. Nobody is gonna do anything about it.
Suck it up ladies.
The club is poo
Yep
That's the truth
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I don't care for your list I care for one player
Heppell
Was ours all the way yet for some incredible idiotic decision we decide to take a c grader in Conca
Gee I was hoping eagles took him now we are stuck with him
Yep.... argument begins and ends with Heppell. Every other name is irrelevent.
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I expect this thread will get a a run on in the next 3 weeks. Lets hope the players can flook say 2 wins from the next 3 games but we are playing like a bunch of sheilas who are peeed at the pub and are giggling themselves silly talking about there husbands and whose been rooting whose husband and how they can manage it to not get caught. What a disgrace.
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I don't care for your list I care for one player
Heppell
Was ours all the way yet for some incredible idiotic decision we decide to take a c grader in Conca
Gee I was hoping eagles took him now we are stuck with him
Yep.... argument begins and ends with Heppell. Every other name is irrelevent.
disagree. conca was not the only contentious pick that draft. i argued long and hard that we should activate our tambling pick as i thought a kid called lycett would be there abouts, as it was he went one pick before our second rounder. and we ended up with batchelor.
there was two mids i wanted with the batchelor pick mitch hallahan and a kid called luke parker. i for one could not believe we took batchelor where we did and i can tell you now there was plenty of others as well.
how would heppell , lycett and parker look in a tiger jumper.
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I don't care for your list I care for one player
Heppell
Was ours all the way yet for some incredible idiotic decision we decide to take a c grader in Conca
Gee I was hoping eagles took him now we are stuck with him
Yep.... argument begins and ends with Heppell. Every other name is irrelevent.
disagree. conca was not the only contentious pick that draft. i argued long and hard that we should activate our tambling pick as i thought a kid called lycett would be there abouts, as it was he went one pick before our second rounder. and we ended up with batchelor.
there was two mids i wanted with the batchelor pick mitch hallahan and a kid called luke parker. i for one could not believe we took batchelor where we did and i can tell you now there was plenty of others as well.
how would heppell , lycett and parker look in a tiger jumper.
I wasn't that disappointed with Conca over Heppell at the time. So I think it's unfair (for me) to bag the club about it in hindsight. But stuff me the Luke Parker pick was glaringly obvious at the time. We now have to recruit hacks like Thomas because we have no inside mids. :banghead
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I don't care for your list I care for one player
Heppell
Was ours all the way yet for some incredible idiotic decision we decide to take a c grader in Conca
Gee I was hoping eagles took him now we are stuck with him
Yep.... argument begins and ends with Heppell. Every other name is irrelevent.
disagree. conca was not the only contentious pick that draft. i argued long and hard that we should activate our tambling pick as i thought a kid called lycett would be there abouts, as it was he went one pick before our second rounder. and we ended up with batchelor.
there was two mids i wanted with the batchelor pick mitch hallahan and a kid called luke parker. i for one could not believe we took batchelor where we did and i can tell you now there was plenty of others as well.
how would heppell , lycett and parker look in a tiger jumper.
I wasn't that disappointed with Conca over Heppell at the time. So I think it's unfair (for me) to bag the club about it in hindsight. But stuff me the Luke Parker pick was glaringly obvious at the time. We now have to recruit hacks like Thomas because we have no inside mids. :banghead
yeah tell me about it. still dirty we didnt take heppell as well though.
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The argument about who we should've taken at pick 6 begins & ends with Heppell.
Heppell & Parker were so obvious it wasn't funny. Jackson & Hartley were too clever by half in that draft.
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I expect this thread will get a a run on in the next 3 weeks. Lets hope the players can flook say 2 wins from the next 3 games but we are playing like a bunch of sheilas who are peeed at the pub and are giggling themselves silly talking about there husbands and whose been rooting whose husband and how they can manage it to not get caught. What a disgrace.
The irony.
Gotta hand it to ya - it's working :thumbsup
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I'm sure if this thread doesn't get a run on there will be another 50 new ones that do.
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The argument about who we should've taken at pick 6 begins & ends with Heppell.
Heppell & Parker were so obvious it wasn't funny. Jackson & Hartley were too clever by half in that draft.
Ok. So that has made the whole team ignore the team plan, not chase, not harass the opposition, not block for your team mate, not put in maximum effort........
People are getting so simplistic around here, it's not funny.
Did you see Heppell against Freo? He was poo. Slower than an injured snail.
That's what happens when the players around you don't play well either. Same with Conca. He needs everyone around him to lift including himself.
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I'm sure if this thread doesn't get a run on there will be another 50 new ones that do.
Not before this one gets to 100 posts and another Century Topic for the Rampstar ;D
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I don't care for your list I care for one player
Heppell
Was ours all the way yet for some incredible idiotic decision we decide to take a c grader in Conca
Gee I was hoping eagles took him now we are stuck with him
Yep.... argument begins and ends with Heppell. Every other name is irrelevent.
disagree. conca was not the only contentious pick that draft. i argued long and hard that we should activate our tambling pick as i thought a kid called lycett would be there abouts, as it was he went one pick before our second rounder. and we ended up with batchelor.
there was two mids i wanted with the batchelor pick mitch hallahan and a kid called luke parker. i for one could not believe we took batchelor where we did and i can tell you now there was plenty of others as well.
how would heppell , lycett and parker look in a tiger jumper.
Can l tell you something ;D All drafts have promising players come draft time. They are watched for several years by clubs to fit into roles or are shaped into other roles. Nobody knows how they are going to fair until they have been chucked into the bigtime with the big boys who's bodies are fit & mentally ready to handle the rigors of AFL football. One good hit can stop progress & stall a career if not mentally end it. Tambling was a victim of this as everyone put too much expectations on him, Instead remembering he was a kid from the outback who even have trouble adapting to the cold weather. Media destroyed him & pressure got to him. He also was a father at a very young age so with mentioning just those few things he was struggling on top of injuries & coming to a club in turmoil & near brokee expecting him to be the next Maurice Rioli just dont happen sometimes. Coming down from NT in the TAC playing one game is nothing as the excitedment would have anyone walking on water on a waterlogged oval. l can tell you he had something special thats for sure seeing it with my own eyes. l have seen a hundred players walk away from AFL football because of the pressure put on them while they still study for life after football & leaving the family home which affects everyone. Every parent knows this who's child has left home. So its no different with young footballers. You can garble on about people who draft these players to clubs of every AFL club but they are only working on what they are watching are these kids who are about to have their whole lifes changed. Money is not the most important part of a footballer. Those that fall into depression from the change of life are preyed on by drug dealers who pump them up & make them feel better & ends their career. But in saying all that. Clubs can only draft players by what they are producing on the field. They are young fella's living at home enjoying life & being looked after their parents & can walk the streets after games enjoying life. Once they are drafted its not fun anymore & its a fulltime job with media & hungry fans who want nothing but the best & who only want one thing. A flag at all costs. Now l would really like to add a few other things but l can't because legally l can't put up names & others things l know that go on but surely you can figure it out ;D
BTW: Conca had not even played a single senior game prior to being drafted ;D Heppell was a ready made footballer with the best training facility going round but ;D
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Who is this new poster?
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I'm sure if this thread doesn't get a run on there will be another 50 new ones that do.
I must say I am partial to a good Ramps rebuild thread, the ones that poo me are all the one word title ones that pop up a couple of hours after a loss
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I'm sure if this thread doesn't get a run on there will be another 50 new ones that do.
Not before this one gets to 100 posts and another Century Topic for the Rampstar ;D
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If only it was about you vre!!
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The argument about who we should've taken at pick 6 begins & ends with Heppell.
Heppell & Parker were so obvious it wasn't funny. Jackson & Hartley were too clever by half in that draft.
Ok. So that has made the whole team ignore the team plan, not chase, not harass the opposition, not block for your team mate, not put in maximum effort........
People are getting so simplistic around here, it's not funny.
Did you see Heppell against Freo? He was poo. Slower than an injured snail.
That's what happens when the players around you don't play well either. Same with Conca. He needs everyone around him to lift including himself.
Yeah yeah "Footsteppell's a soft girl wif gay hair and plays for dem gay bummers lol!1!!!1!" .... must've been another a player with the same name and funny haircut that I saw run his arse off all day against Fremantle in summer-like conditions.
If you think Conca's anywhere near as good as Heppell you're delusional. Not even the same class.
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The argument about who we should've taken at pick 6 begins & ends with Heppell.
Heppell & Parker were so obvious it wasn't funny. Jackson & Hartley were too clever by half in that draft.
Ok. So that has made the whole team ignore the team plan, not chase, not harass the opposition, not block for your team mate, not put in maximum effort........
People are getting so simplistic around here, it's not funny.
Did you see Heppell against Freo? He was poo. Slower than an injured snail.
That's what happens when the players around you don't play well either. Same with Conca. He needs everyone around him to lift including himself.
Yeah yeah "Footsteppell's a soft girl wif gay hair and plays for dem gay bummers lol!1!!!1!" .... must've been another a player with the same name and funny haircut that I saw run his arse off all day against Fremantle in summer-like conditions.
If you think Conca's anywhere near as good as Heppell you're delusional. Not even the same class.
Didn't say he was. But only a fool would think that all our problems are due to the difference in talent between Conca and Heppell. And Heppell is slow in leg speed - something we have already in spades!
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When Heppell actually does something other than hit up a target 15-20 metres away, run and gather and do the same I will take note, I think he is grossly overated like Gibbs was in his first few years. In a couple of years he will be exposed like Gibbs has been, people will be wondering why such a high draft pick never breaks lines with kicking or run and doesn't hurt opposition teams. Not saying Conca is better, he needs to step it up, but sick of hearing about the heppell love affair, he's no gun just an average player. There is a reason why opposition coaches don't tag him, = no hurt factor, watch him closely instead of listening to flog commentary by Dennis and Bruce.
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The argument about who we should've taken at pick 6 begins & ends with Heppell.
Heppell & Parker were so obvious it wasn't funny. Jackson & Hartley were too clever by half in that draft.
Ok. So that has made the whole team ignore the team plan, not chase, not harass the opposition, not block for your team mate, not put in maximum effort........
People are getting so simplistic around here, it's not funny.
Did you see Heppell against Freo? He was poo. Slower than an injured snail.
That's what happens when the players around you don't play well either. Same with Conca. He needs everyone around him to lift including himself.
Yeah yeah "Footsteppell's a soft girl wif gay hair and plays for dem gay bummers lol!1!!!1!" .... must've been another a player with the same name and funny haircut that I saw run his arse off all day against Fremantle in summer-like conditions.
If you think Conca's anywhere near as good as Heppell you're delusional. Not even the same class.
Wow that sound amazing
I assume EFC won by ten goals?
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:lol ^ thats a huge bitch :lol
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Some are getting ahead of themselves as per usual.
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When Heppell actually does something other than hit up a target 15-20 metres away, run and gather and do the same I will take note, I think he is grossly overated like Gibbs was in his first few years. In a couple of years he will be exposed like Gibbs has been, people will be wondering why such a high draft pick never breaks lines with kicking or run and doesn't hurt opposition teams. Not saying Conca is better, he needs to step it up, but sick of hearing about the heppell love affair, he's no gun just an average player. There is a reason why opposition coaches don't tag him, = no hurt factor, watch him closely instead of listening to flog commentary by Dennis and Bruce.
I love how differently people see our game and it's players. I see it so differently to you Tony on this occasion. Although I too think Gibbs is over rated but I would still swap him for Reece.
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When Heppell actually does something other than hit up a target 15-20 metres away, run and gather and do the same I will take note, I think he is grossly overated like Gibbs was in his first few years. In a couple of years he will be exposed like Gibbs has been, people will be wondering why such a high draft pick never breaks lines with kicking or run and doesn't hurt opposition teams. Not saying Conca is better, he needs to step it up, but sick of hearing about the heppell love affair, he's no gun just an average player. There is a reason why opposition coaches don't tag him, = no hurt factor, watch him closely instead of listening to flog commentary by Dennis and Bruce.
I love how differently people see our game and it's players. I see it so differently to you Tony on this occasion. Although I too think Gibbs is over rated but I would still swap him for Reece.
Fair enough BT, beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. Also, just bc I call someone over rated doesn't mean I think they're no good :)
Heppell's no dud(far from it!) I've mentioned before that imo his strengths are: hes a very good reader of the play, is genuinely a one grab player in traffic, fantastic link player and has leadership qualities in abundance, weaknesses: kicking has no penetration, is very slow and is not a gamebreaker. I just don't get the massive excitement? Solid player right now, comfortably ahead of Conca - and have no doubts he will develop into a very good player but don't see him as an A grader. Having said that, Im not going to write off Conca just yet due to injury, but will admit Im underwhelmed(his kicking concerns me). Have a sneaking suspicion he has scope to close the gap significantly over the next few years but that's just my opinion.
I actually think Gibbs is a very good player(although hes down on form this season) but the first 3-4 years of his career he was being hailed a superstar similar to what we're seeing with Heppell. Then when his star failed to reach the heights the commentators and experts kept predicting he'd reach, he started coming in for a heap of criticism. He's simply not a superstar but he is an accomplished very good player - I'd take him in a heartbeat.
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Didn't say he was. But only a fool would think that all our problems are due to the difference in talent between Conca and Heppell. And Heppell is slow in leg speed - something we have already in spades!
didnt think anyone at all has suggested that all of our problems can be laid at the conca heppel decision. . nice deflection anyway.
id say failing to use the nd well is a part of our problems. reaching for players is a part of that.
for some posters failing to take heppell was an example of how we should do better. it was a small part of the overall picture. at the time taking conca was considered a real big reach by many and not just supporters either. we didnt just reach with one pick that day but did it twice. sheesh the batchelor decision was even frowned upon by that defender of all draft kids sheahan of all people, who never criticises any thing to do with kids.
those who criticised taking conca at the time have every right to criticise now.
as for the nd heres a list of players nm have taken from 05 to 2010 with 2nd and 3rd rounders wont go past 2010 as it is still a bit early to call and like most of our kids from 11 onwards they will need deserve time to establish themselves properly. as such like us from 2011 nm have no established 2nd and 3rd rnd picks.
why nm dunno they were a side around us last yr and there have been lots of comparisons between us. while i havent done the exercise id say the majority of sides in the comp would have a far better strike rate than us with 2nd 3rd rounders from 05 to 2010.
anyway
swallow, goldstein, thomas, will throw in pick 82 here as its aaron edwards who we ended up with. thompson and grima their kpds, greenwood, wright, black, anthony bastinac, harper.
you know only a fool would deny our nd recruiting leaves a lot to be desired and we need to be much better.
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Didn't say he was. But only a fool would think that all our problems are due to the difference in talent between Conca and Heppell. And Heppell is slow in leg speed - something we have already in spades!
didnt think anyone at all has suggested that all of our problems can be laid at the conca heppel decision. . nice deflection anyway.
id say failing to use the nd well is a part of our problems. reaching for players is a part of that.
for some posters failing to take heppell was an example of how we should do better. it was a small part of the overall picture. at the time taking conca was considered a real big reach by many and not just supporters either. we didnt just reach with one pick that day but did it twice. sheesh the batchelor decision was even frowned upon by that defender of all draft kids sheahan of all people, who never criticises any thing to do with kids.
those who criticised taking conca at the time have every right to criticise now.
as for the nd heres a list of players nm have taken from 05 to 2010 with 2nd and 3rd rounders wont go past 2010 as it is still a bit early to call and like most of our kids from 11 onwards they will need deserve time to establish themselves properly. as such like us from 2011 nm have no established 2nd and 3rd rnd picks.
why nm dunno they were a side around us last yr and there have been lots of comparisons between us. while i havent done the exercise id say the majority of sides in the comp would have a far better strike rate than us with 2nd 3rd rounders from 05 to 2010.
anyway
swallow, goldstein, thomas, will throw in pick 82 here as its aaron edwards who we ended up with. thompson and grima their kpds, greenwood, wright, black, anthony bastinac, harper.
you know only a fool would deny our nd recruiting leaves a lot to be desired and we need to be much better.
If you read the thread properly claw, you would have noticed that the root of all evil was being levied at pick 6 in 2010. I simply said that was not the case.
We are not alone in missing picks that we should have got correct.
Since you are a keen scholar of the ND, why don't you tell us right now who we should be considering for 2nd to 5th rounds in the ND at the end of this year.
Go on. I'll take a note of all the kids and then in 3 years see how well you've picked them.
We are all waiting to hear who you think we should take or at least start considering NOW…….
It's all yours claw…...
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Leaving Conca out of it, Heppel is still a gay footballer
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When Heppell actually does something other than hit up a target 15-20 metres away, run and gather and do the same I will take note, I think he is grossly overated like Gibbs was in his first few years. In a couple of years he will be exposed like Gibbs has been, people will be wondering why such a high draft pick never breaks lines with kicking or run and doesn't hurt opposition teams. Not saying Conca is better, he needs to step it up, but sick of hearing about the heppell love affair, he's no gun just an average player. There is a reason why opposition coaches don't tag him, = no hurt factor, watch him closely instead of listening to flog commentary by Dennis and Bruce.
I love how differently people see our game and it's players. I see it so differently to you Tony on this occasion. Although I too think Gibbs is over rated but I would still swap him for Reece.
Fair enough BT, beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. Also, just bc I call someone over rated doesn't mean I think they're no good :)
Heppell's no dud(far from it!) I've mentioned before that imo his strengths are: hes a very good reader of the play, is genuinely a one grab player in traffic, fantastic link player and has leadership qualities in abundance, weaknesses: kicking has no penetration, is very slow and is not a gamebreaker. I just don't get the massive excitement? Solid player right now, comfortably ahead of Conca - and have no doubts he will develop into a very good player but don't see him as an A grader. Having said that, Im not going to write off Conca just yet due to injury, but will admit Im underwhelmed(his kicking concerns me). Have a sneaking suspicion he has scope to close the gap significantly over the next few years but that's just my opinion.
I actually think Gibbs is a very good player(although hes down on form this season) but the first 3-4 years of his career he was being hailed a superstar similar to what we're seeing with Heppell. Then when his star failed to reach the heights the commentators and experts kept predicting he'd reach, he started coming in for a heap of criticism. He's simply not a superstar but he is an accomplished very good player - I'd take him in a heartbeat.
Yer agree with most of that.
With Heppell I see a bloke that still is very young doing it pretty easy at the level. You say he is slow but he always has time to get rid of the footy, and that's something stars of the game do, they make it look easy. Look at Pendlebury, he doesn't look quick but always has time.
The other thing I rate about Heppell is the fact he doesn't try to do to much with the footy, he gets it, and gives it off and then does it again. No fuss and doesn't try and he a hero. Other than his sh5t hair there is no real 'look at me' with him. He gets the job done and with no fan fair.
Heppell is a solid B grader now and IMO will be A grade before too long. Now I hate Essendon with a passion but can genuinely see they have a star on their hands.
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When Heppell actually does something other than hit up a target 15-20 metres away, run and gather and do the same I will take note, I think he is grossly overated like Gibbs was in his first few years. In a couple of years he will be exposed like Gibbs has been, people will be wondering why such a high draft pick never breaks lines with kicking or run and doesn't hurt opposition teams. Not saying Conca is better, he needs to step it up, but sick of hearing about the heppell love affair, he's no gun just an average player. There is a reason why opposition coaches don't tag him, = no hurt factor, watch him closely instead of listening to flog commentary by Dennis and Bruce.
I love how differently people see our game and it's players. I see it so differently to you Tony on this occasion. Although I too think Gibbs is over rated but I would still swap him for Reece.
Fair enough BT, beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. Also, just bc I call someone over rated doesn't mean I think they're no good :)
Heppell's no dud(far from it!) I've mentioned before that imo his strengths are: hes a very good reader of the play, is genuinely a one grab player in traffic, fantastic link player and has leadership qualities in abundance, weaknesses: kicking has no penetration, is very slow and is not a gamebreaker. I just don't get the massive excitement? Solid player right now, comfortably ahead of Conca - and have no doubts he will develop into a very good player but don't see him as an A grader. Having said that, Im not going to write off Conca just yet due to injury, but will admit Im underwhelmed(his kicking concerns me). Have a sneaking suspicion he has scope to close the gap significantly over the next few years but that's just my opinion.
I actually think Gibbs is a very good player(although hes down on form this season) but the first 3-4 years of his career he was being hailed a superstar similar to what we're seeing with Heppell. Then when his star failed to reach the heights the commentators and experts kept predicting he'd reach, he started coming in for a heap of criticism. He's simply not a superstar but he is an accomplished very good player - I'd take him in a heartbeat.
Yer agree with most of that.
With Heppell I see a bloke that still is very young doing it pretty easy at the level. You say he is slow but he always has time to get rid of the footy, and that's something stars of the game do, they make it look easy. Look at Pendlebury, he doesn't look quick but always has time.
The other thing I rate about Heppell is the fact he doesn't try to do to much with the footy, he gets it, and gives it off and then does it again. No fuss and doesn't try and he a hero. Other than his sh5t hair there is no real 'look at me' with him. He gets the job done and with no fan fair.
Heppell is a solid B grader now and IMO will be A grade before too long. Now I hate Essendon with a passion but can genuinely see they have a star on their hands.
I too think he is ok and makes good decisions with the ball.. However, I have seen him twice now give up chasing someone who wasn't that fast. It looked bad. I hate it when one of ours do it. On the weekend it was Michael Johnston who he put no pressure on at all and just gave up. I said at the time, Conca would not have given up and probably would have caught him or at least pressured him with his disposal. He is not a game breaker that some are saying he is. He is a solid footballer. I still think that Conca has a higher ceiling as a game breaker. However, I admit he is behind Heppell at the moment. Maybe if Heppell had bone spurs and torn off the bone hamstring injuries , he too would have had his development delayed. I hope Reece gets an injury free run to develop confidence in his body and hence his football.
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Leaving Conca out of it, Heppel is still a gay footballer
He's not Gay he's just a nice guy ;)
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When Heppell actually does something other than hit up a target 15-20 metres away, run and gather and do the same I will take note, I think he is grossly overated like Gibbs was in his first few years. In a couple of years he will be exposed like Gibbs has been, people will be wondering why such a high draft pick never breaks lines with kicking or run and doesn't hurt opposition teams. Not saying Conca is better, he needs to step it up, but sick of hearing about the heppell love affair, he's no gun just an average player. There is a reason why opposition coaches don't tag him, = no hurt factor, watch him closely instead of listening to flog commentary by Dennis and Bruce.
I love how differently people see our game and it's players. I see it so differently to you Tony on this occasion. Although I too think Gibbs is over rated but I would still swap him for Reece.
Fair enough BT, beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. Also, just bc I call someone over rated doesn't mean I think they're no good :)
Heppell's no dud(far from it!) I've mentioned before that imo his strengths are: hes a very good reader of the play, is genuinely a one grab player in traffic, fantastic link player and has leadership qualities in abundance, weaknesses: kicking has no penetration, is very slow and is not a gamebreaker. I just don't get the massive excitement? Solid player right now, comfortably ahead of Conca - and have no doubts he will develop into a very good player but don't see him as an A grader. Having said that, Im not going to write off Conca just yet due to injury, but will admit Im underwhelmed(his kicking concerns me). Have a sneaking suspicion he has scope to close the gap significantly over the next few years but that's just my opinion.
I actually think Gibbs is a very good player(although hes down on form this season) but the first 3-4 years of his career he was being hailed a superstar similar to what we're seeing with Heppell. Then when his star failed to reach the heights the commentators and experts kept predicting he'd reach, he started coming in for a heap of criticism. He's simply not a superstar but he is an accomplished very good player - I'd take him in a heartbeat.
I think Jobe Watson also was slow and had no penetration on his kicks when he first appeared. These days I'd take Jobe in a heartbeat over pretty much anyone in our team, Cotch excluded. The trick is your picking and then nurturing talent and Essendon seems to be good at that and we aren't. Good players have unflapability about them, Jobe got his from his father. I'm happier we now interview the players for character but I am really wondering about Francis Jackson now.
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When Heppell actually does something other than hit up a target 15-20 metres away, run and gather and do the same I will take note, I think he is grossly overated like Gibbs was in his first few years. In a couple of years he will be exposed like Gibbs has been, people will be wondering why such a high draft pick never breaks lines with kicking or run and doesn't hurt opposition teams. Not saying Conca is better, he needs to step it up, but sick of hearing about the heppell love affair, he's no gun just an average player. There is a reason why opposition coaches don't tag him, = no hurt factor, watch him closely instead of listening to flog commentary by Dennis and Bruce.
I love how differently people see our game and it's players. I see it so differently to you Tony on this occasion. Although I too think Gibbs is over rated but I would still swap him for Reece.
Fair enough BT, beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. Also, just bc I call someone over rated doesn't mean I think they're no good :)
Heppell's no dud(far from it!) I've mentioned before that imo his strengths are: hes a very good reader of the play, is genuinely a one grab player in traffic, fantastic link player and has leadership qualities in abundance, weaknesses: kicking has no penetration, is very slow and is not a gamebreaker. I just don't get the massive excitement? Solid player right now, comfortably ahead of Conca - and have no doubts he will develop into a very good player but don't see him as an A grader. Having said that, Im not going to write off Conca just yet due to injury, but will admit Im underwhelmed(his kicking concerns me). Have a sneaking suspicion he has scope to close the gap significantly over the next few years but that's just my opinion.
I actually think Gibbs is a very good player(although hes down on form this season) but the first 3-4 years of his career he was being hailed a superstar similar to what we're seeing with Heppell. Then when his star failed to reach the heights the commentators and experts kept predicting he'd reach, he started coming in for a heap of criticism. He's simply not a superstar but he is an accomplished very good player - I'd take him in a heartbeat.
I think Jobe Watson also was slow and had no penetration on his kicks when he first appeared. These days I'd take Jobe in a heartbeat over pretty much anyone in our team, Cotch excluded. The trick is your picking and then nurturing talent and Essendon seems to be good at that and we aren't. Good players have unflapability about them, Jobe got his from his father. I'm happier we now interview the players for character but I am really wondering about Francis Jackson now.
It's called culture.
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The argument about who we should've taken at pick 6 begins & ends with Heppell.
Heppell & Parker were so obvious it wasn't funny. Jackson & Hartley were too clever by half in that draft.
Ok. So that has made the whole team ignore the team plan, not chase, not harass the opposition, not block for your team mate, not put in maximum effort........
People are getting so simplistic around here, it's not funny.
Did you see Heppell against Freo? He was poo. Slower than an injured snail.
That's what happens when the players around you don't play well either. Same with Conca. He needs everyone around him to lift including himself.
Yeah yeah "Footsteppell's a soft girl wif gay hair and plays for dem gay bummers lol!1!!!1!" .... must've been another a player with the same name and funny haircut that I saw run his arse off all day against Fremantle in summer-like conditions.
If you think Conca's anywhere near as good as Heppell you're delusional. Not even the same class.
Wow that sound amazing
I assume EFC won by ten goals?
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So Sandilands mowing down Colyer proves Heppell was poo?
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Didn't say he was. But only a fool would think that all our problems are due to the difference in talent between Conca and Heppell. And Heppell is slow in leg speed - something we have already in spades!
didnt think anyone at all has suggested that all of our problems can be laid at the conca heppel decision. . nice deflection anyway.
id say failing to use the nd well is a part of our problems. reaching for players is a part of that.
for some posters failing to take heppell was an example of how we should do better. it was a small part of the overall picture. at the time taking conca was considered a real big reach by many and not just supporters either. we didnt just reach with one pick that day but did it twice. sheesh the batchelor decision was even frowned upon by that defender of all draft kids sheahan of all people, who never criticises any thing to do with kids.
those who criticised taking conca at the time have every right to criticise now.
as for the nd heres a list of players nm have taken from 05 to 2010 with 2nd and 3rd rounders wont go past 2010 as it is still a bit early to call and like most of our kids from 11 onwards they will need deserve time to establish themselves properly. as such like us from 2011 nm have no established 2nd and 3rd rnd picks.
why nm dunno they were a side around us last yr and there have been lots of comparisons between us. while i havent done the exercise id say the majority of sides in the comp would have a far better strike rate than us with 2nd 3rd rounders from 05 to 2010.
anyway
swallow, goldstein, thomas, will throw in pick 82 here as its aaron edwards who we ended up with. thompson and grima their kpds, greenwood, wright, black, anthony bastinac, harper.
you know only a fool would deny our nd recruiting leaves a lot to be desired and we need to be much better.
If you read the thread properly claw, you would have noticed that the root of all evil was being levied at pick 6 in 2010. I simply said that was not the case.
We are not alone in missing picks that we should have got correct.
Since you are a keen scholar of the ND, why don't you tell us right now who we should be considering for 2nd to 5th rounds in the ND at the end of this year.
Go on. I'll take a note of all the kids and then in 3 years see how well you've picked them.
We are all waiting to hear who you think we should take or at least start considering NOW…….
It's all yours claw…...
fair enough and my bad on the root of all evil comments my apologies.
on the demand for picks now there is a whole season to go before the nd plus national champs combines and so on, until i see them all at the same level at the same time ie champs its impossible.
you can be rest assured i will name the players i want before the draft this yr until then you will just have to wait.
but if you want to start a comparison now heres a list of the players i advocated we take this yr in the draft.
12/ acres, dunstan, i opted for acres as hes a wa boy and id seen a bit.
32/ george hewitt yep as you know im no hampson fan and still wish we had that pick.
50/ jonathan marsh wa boy.
66 eli templeton.
do you want the f/a's as well. chapman and laidler.
or rookies. i didnt really look at this too hard arguing that we should have looked at lloyd gordon and miles here. did want darcy cameron a junior ruckman and i liked sully a kpd. and josh waldhuter was in my sights to name a few.
or how about trades i put up
longer + 25 for 12 and steak knives. longer went to stkilda for 25 and 41 or 51 cant be botherd looking it up so pick 12 would imo have got the job done. do that trade and it goes
longer 12
dumont 25
hewitt 32
marsh 50
templeton 66.
come close to the draft or end of yr i will have my say weather it be informed or not. a few of the wa boys i like are,
tyler kietel a 193cm forward we could do with a kpf. hes agile a very strong mark and has arrogance.
if looking for a dynamic sml fwd/mid look no further than jarrad pickett. i dont look at smls to much but this kid has real talent.
i will be watching darcy cameron a fair bit, a ruckman who i thought should have been drafted last yr. hes playing seniors this yr.
ryan lim is a mid from claremont i really like but i have some concerns atm about how hit and miss his kicking is. i dont think its a terminal problem.
theres plenty others bradley walsh from peel and his teamate winton. but until i see plenty more and actually see how they stack up gainst other kids from around the country i wont be calling names.
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so have you seen any of the wa boys this year yet claw and how they shaping up as draft prospects?
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so have you seen any of the wa boys this year yet claw and how they shaping up as draft prospects?
yep ive seen a few not just this yr either. and there is plenty of them shaping up as draft prospects. theres at least a dozen id like to get my hands on. then theres some 19 21 yr olds who i have thought would get drafted and didnt ie darcy cameron, ben sokol is another. that i will probably have more interest in.
this yr will be the first yr in a fair while where i will get to see a fair bit of all wa prospects and have a better ability to have a more informed opinio andn more confidence in my predictions.
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Thanks claw.
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yep ive seen a few not just this yr either. and there is plenty of them shaping up as draft prospects. theres at least a dozen id like to get my hands on.
Might want to rephrase that Claw?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
And if you can play you can play.
And all that.
;D
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yep ive seen a few not just this yr either. and there is plenty of them shaping up as draft prospects. theres at least a dozen id like to get my hands on.
Might want to rephrase that Claw?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
And if you can play you can play.
And all that.
;D
I see what you did there! ;D :shh
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PROVEN CORRECT ONCE AGAIN! 100% CORRECT!
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Where are the apologists? Nowhere to be seen these last few weeks. The club is rooted in my opinion. Serious change needs to happen.
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Where are the apologists? Nowhere to be seen these last few weeks. The club is rooted in my opinion. Serious change needs to happen.
Clapping the players with black and yellow streamers and good will messages on large pieces of cardboard as they drive out of the MCG carpark.
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Memo to RFC: Rebuilds don't work if you use the same shoddy materials as before.
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Memo to RFC: Rebuilds don't work if you use the same shoddy materials as before.
thats actually true ;D
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in fairness to hardwick if hes sacked and he wont be im not even sure if he should be, the next coach will have a very good base to start from imo. hardwicks time at our club has not been a failure.
plenty of good has come out of hardwicks and gales time at the club.
thing is we do need to continue to turn over personel to continue the growth.maybe hardwick has taken us as far as he can and its time for someone else to take us to the next level. on that im prepared to wait and see for just a little while longer.
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Off field is due to us Claw not them
What good have they done in curious from an onfield and list perspective
Some facts
We are still mentally weak so that's the same
We still took shortcuts so that's the same
Supporters still open their wallets so that's the same
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Off field is due to us Claw not them
What good have they done in curious from an onfield and list perspective
Some facts
We are still mentally weak so that's the same
We still took shortcuts so that's the same
Supporters still open their wallets so that's the same
fair enough angus fair enough.
id still argue the list is in a fair better shape now than when hardwick found it. in fact i reckon even i could make us a regular top 8 side inside of 3 yrs. a lot of the building blocks are there.
its only my opinion but i really do think hardwick has got well in front of himself. he needs to reasses learn from the mitake do the hard yards go backwards and get the ship on course again.
that is if hes allowed to learn from his mistakes.
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Its a pain to see the like ofnport dogs saints rebuild with youth and talent when we are seemingly stagnating / going backwards
Ray Charles could see the blokes that every week should be dropped and yet are not
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Its a pain to see the like ofnport dogs saints rebuild with youth and talent when we are seemingly stagnating / going backwards
Ray Charles could see the blokes that every week should be dropped and yet are not
once again i will ask. are we prepared to lose probably by bigger nmargins and go backwards by collectively giving games to the eltons arnots mcintoshs helbigs ohanlons deas gordons etc .
we have atm a better chance of winning games with most of the hacks we complain about than playing a shedload of kids.
there is a price to pay by playing kids. are you prepared to pay that price.
i for one dont care if we win or lose as long as we get games into the younger blokes but in doing so id like to see us remain competetive and that means continuing to play some of those experienced bigger bodies who we would like to cut. we do have to balance out what we do.
by the way port have about 12 players from other clubs its not just been youth, mature recruits has been a part of their recruiting strategy. stkilda would have 12 14 mature recruits and players from other clubs.
dogs well they have about 8.
richmond well we would have 15 odd mature players from state leagues and other clubs. our problem is not in taking older players though i think in recent yrs we have taken too many id argue the quality of players taken is the issue and that goes for nd picks as well.
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Im with you Claw, season is over play the kids
losing by 17 points yesterday or losing by 80 against the hawks. Same same IMO but at least you go down playing kids like Lions yesterday so id rather that than the former
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But we are better than past year.....
And we invest $$$$$ into the footy department....
We play drums before the start of games......
And we played a final last year.......
We are a big four club.......
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Im with you Claw, season is over play the kids
losing by 17 points yesterday or losing by 80 against the hawks. Same same IMO but at least you go down playing kids like Lions yesterday so id rather that than the former
Its time for them to upgrade Miles and bring in the likes of McIntosh and McBean even if they arent ready start giving them games. Its time to see if we have anymore kids capable of becoming AFL footballers over the next year or two.
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The need to clear the decks and play the kids - and get more kids - should've been abundantly clear to the football department straight after the final siren of last year's EF.
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Watching GC today. They are miles ahead of us.
We need to start again we are miles away as are Carlton.
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We play drums before the start of games......
And that's another thing. I wish we would eff those fricken drummers off for good. Aussie sport doesn't need that kind of Yankee hype and hoopla, and what exactly are Ringo and co. announcing anyway? That the worst team currently in the AFL are meandering out to embarrass their fans on the big stage again?? Perhaps a more apt introduction to the stadium for the kind of slop the paper Tigers are serving up these days would be to have a lone wino drop his pants and let loose with a sustained bum trumpet note through the PA system.
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The need to clear the decks and play the kids - and get more kids - should've been abundantly clear to the football department straight after the final siren of last year's EF.
can tell you it wasn't and it wasn't for most people on this site who lauded the teams great year.
To me it was clear as day. Walked away from that match and thought we have not improved at all and i stand by that comment till this day. Even with the 15 wins i still say we did not improve last year because we were still mentally fragile and all teams look at us as easy beats.
The football department are a bunch of soft c-o-c-k-s who are probably all touching each others date as we speak. Losers.
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hi guys, you have all kept me entertained, informed and amused for a while now,so i thought it was it was about time i jumped in and joined the circus. i would have hoped to have come in at a better time, but it is what it is. i walked out of the MCG on Saturday, and all i could feel was bitter disappointment, and a hollow feeling in the guts that's all to familiar to Richmond people. before the game, like most i felt our season was at the crossroads and was curious to see how our team would respond and what we were made of, as i needed answers to many of my questions. AND I GOT THEM!!! we have too many players on our list that play some decent games, suck us in and do enough to get a contract from our club, but what we don't have enough of are the kind of players that are going to take us to the promised land. selfless team players with desire and fortitude who have the will to do what it takes to win a hard game of footy when things aren't going our way. i appreciate some of the good work Benny and Damien have done under almost impossible circumstances with the difficulty involved in rebuilding the worst list in the AFL during the draft concessions , this cannot be forgotten,but mistakes were made by the football department along the way. i believe the coach has overestimated the capabilities of the list, which is understandable if supporters do it but fatal to club success if a coach gets it wrong. after what happened on Saturday it seems club and coach are genuinely surprised gutted at the events that unfolded, so i am interested to see what our coach will do. will he stay the coarse? will favorites go ? and so on and so on....................... its harsh i know but when some thing not working someone has to pay. cometh the hour cometh the man Damien, you have done a fairly good job up till now but what you do next will determine our future success. what are you going to do Damien? we are all waiting. by the way love the tigers and am sticking fat no matter what, no person or administration can change that. GO TIGERS.
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Good post. :clapping
I have no faith anymore anything will change. The club will talk about change and things getting better and us showing signs bla bla effing bla. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Watching GC today. They are miles ahead of us.
We need to start again we are miles away as are Carlton.
Realyyyyyyyy I wonder why
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I think we only need to rebuild half the side this time rather than all the side. Got to look at the positives... ;D
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I think we only need to rebuild half the side this time rather than all the side. Got to look at the positives... ;D
Do your patients know your hanging out with us here on OER instead of looking after there ailments? ;D
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I think we only need to rebuild half the side this time rather than all the side. Got to look at the positives... ;D
Do your patients know your hanging out with us here on OER instead of looking after there ailments? ;D
There are more ailments on here than in any doctor's waiting room in the country! ;D
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I think we only need to rebuild half the side this time rather than all the side. Got to look at the positives... ;D
Do your patients know your hanging out with us here on OER instead of looking after there ailments? ;D
Thank goodness for mobile phone Internet! In between patients, I quickly visit OER to have a laugh (or cry).....
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Football department has no balls !.
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I'll miss Ramps
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just head to the airport for a while. the whine of the jet engines wont quite be in the same league, but should partially fill the void.
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:lol
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:P
I'll miss Ramps
he got banned due to the drafting of corey ellis?
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:PI'll miss Ramps
he got banned due to the drafting of corey ellis?
Sounds a bit harsh Bents
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think he may have lost his rag?
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Can we get him back as a mature age rookie? ;D
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Can we get him back as a mature age rookie? ;D
Money ball 👌
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Cotchin won the toss and pointed into the wind.
Defer the blame of you must.
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Cotchin won the toss and pointed into the wind.
Defer the blame of you must.
Yep, cost us 13 goals.
Pretty good thread by Ramps.
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Cotchin won the toss and pointed into the wind.
Defer the blame of you must.
Yep, cost us 13 goals.
Pretty good thread by Ramps.
Good thread. Lots of laughs. Some good comedy. Good angles. Where is the bludger by the way? Who is going to troll the likes of HRT Blaisee and Alberto and the rest of the gang happy with the ongoing failures of the Richmond Football Club. ;D
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Say "No More"
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Cotchin won the toss and pointed into the wind.
Defer the blame of you must.
Yep, cost us 13 goals.
Pretty good thread by Ramps.
Good thread. Lots of laughs. Some good comedy. Good angles. Where is the bludger by the way? Who is going to troll the likes of HRT Blaisee and Alberto and the rest of the gang happy with the ongoing failures of the Richmond Football Club. ;D
Will you pick up the slack? ;D
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Cotchin won the toss and pointed into the wind.
Defer the blame of you must.
Yep, cost us 13 goals.
Pretty good thread by Ramps.
Good thread. Lots of laughs. Some good comedy. Good angles. Where is the bludger by the way? Who is going to troll the likes of HRT Blaisee and Alberto and the rest of the gang happy with the ongoing failures of the Richmond Football Club. ;D
i know you wont/dont want to understand, but just because someone doesnt indulge in self flagulation and whine like a biatch doesnt mean they are happy with something.
some people simply understand that there is no point in getting upset about things they cannot control.
others though, they only find happiness, of sorts, in misery, and they seek and embrace it like a long lost relative.
http://www.wikihow.com/Tie-a-Hangmans-Noose
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And we all know that misery loves company
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Cotchin won the toss and pointed into the wind.
Defer the blame of you must.
Yep, cost us 13 goals.
Pretty good thread by Ramps.
Good thread. Lots of laughs. Some good comedy. Good angles. Where is the bludger by the way? Who is going to troll the likes of HRT Blaisee and Alberto and the rest of the gang happy with the ongoing failures of the Richmond Football Club. ;D
Will you pick up the slack? ;D
Only when I have time ;D
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just on the thread title. it bugs me. there is no such thing as a rebuild.
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just on the thread title. it bugs me. there is no such thing as a rebuild.
Time to give the club a chance to prove itself. :gotigers
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just on the thread title. it bugs me. there is no such thing as a rebuild.
Not quite true. Teams should ALWAYS be rebuilding. The difference is to what extent. Major rebuild or minor rebuild.
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just on the thread title. it bugs me. there is no such thing as a rebuild.
Not quite true. Teams should ALWAYS be rebuilding. The difference is to what extent. Major rebuild or minor rebuild.
from the 2009 list or wallaces demise and the new reign of hardwick we have just 8 players left.
from 2009 the other clubs go
ad - 8 left.
br - 6
ca - 11
co - 10
es - 12
fr - 16
ge - 13
hac-12
m - 8
nm - 13
pa - 9
stk - 6
syd - 7
wc - 12
wb - 9
it seems lists are evolving at a similar rate regardless of ladder position.
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RFC revels in decimation.
It's only mediocre decimation tho, not total.
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As opposed to decimation from whiney bitch slapping
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As opposed to decimation from whiney bitch slapping
:lol
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keep wracking up the posts gentlemen, I had big dreams for this thread at the start and now I am sight of a double century. :cheers
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A good ol Dooks pyramid should get the post count up.
vvvvvvv You know what to do lads! vvvvvvv
:)
:) :)
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Allrighty the rebuild has failed as Dusty and Rance have left
How do we go about the rebuild, where do we start, who has to go?
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Allrighty the rebuild has failed as Dusty and Rance have left
How do we go about the rebuild, where do we start, who has to go?
Sack Hardwick, get Malthouse then trade or delist everyone except Cotchin.
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Is sheedy available?
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yessss
GET SHEEDY
GET SHEEDY
GET SHEEDY.
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Woosha... :thumbsup
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We would be mental not to go after Malthouse
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Seriously though, for all the nonsense in this thread the title is generally correct.
We need to be working on a deal with Bomber Thompson asap so he doesn't get snapped up by another club before Hardwick hits the wall.
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can we be stoned to death for saying the names of these messiahs out loud?
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He's not the messiah, he's just a naughty boy
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Seriously though, for all the nonsense in this thread the title is generally correct.
We need to be working on a deal with Bomber Thompson asap so he doesn't get snapped up by another club before Hardwick hits the wall.
The Big Richo is right. The rest of you should accept the reality of your situations ;D
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Everyone is forgetting the potential that Denis Pagan could and should be out next coach. I'd bring back Swooper Northey as development coach and KB as the conditioning coach.
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Don't want bomber in any capacity now...he was part of a culture I want nothing to do with the tiges
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Everyone is forgetting the potential that Denis Pagan could and should be out next coach. I'd bring back Swooper Northey as development coach and KB as the conditioning coach.
I like it
It has a feeling of getting back to our beginnings
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Everyone is forgetting the potential that Denis Pagan could and should be out next coach. I'd bring back Swooper Northey as development coach and KB as the conditioning coach.
I like it
It has a feeling of getting back to our beginnings
Would also be quite fitting for Hardwick to be replaced by his first very AFL coach from his North Melbourne U'19 days.
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I'd like to throw Tony Shaw's name into the mix.
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We could dig up Jeansy to be football director
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I'd like to throw Tony Shaw's name into the mix.
and smoke it?
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Barassi still has a lot to offer.
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I'd like to throw Tony Shaw's name into the mix.
and smoke it?
:rollin
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Brad Green will be poached from Carlton, and will head up the mix
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Sheedy is the man. I know a lot of Essendon supporters and after years of listening to them complain of the the hacks he persisted with and the way he had his favorites, often these said hacks, i have no doubt this exactly what this forum needs.
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Sheedy is the man. I know a lot of Essendon supporters and after years of listening to them complain of the the hacks he persisted with and the way he had his favorites, often these said hacks, i have no doubt this exactly what this forum needs.
You mean the whiney old moles wouldn't need any new material ?
It's a win win scenario
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Finished. In Failure. We are a rabble. What a complete Disappointment. But I dont only blame Hardwick, this failure is the failure in understand that when you recruit rejects from other clubs under a moneyball scenario this is what you get - CRAP!
They talk big at Tigerland but once again they have come up empty. Just complete disappointment. Dont know what to say and we pay those idiots at Punt Road to produce this type of crap. They have no pride.
So whose available in the next draft folks?
Big draft , trade period next one ...
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Don't need a rebuild, need another 3-4 very good players and 3-4 of the crap we have now to leave.
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I have changed my mind ;D
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Don't need a rebuild, need another 3-4 very good players and 3-4 of the crap we have now to leave.
We should gets games into mcbean. C ellis. Astbury. Mcintosh. Lennon etc types imo
I pray we are aggressive in the offseason
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Bump.
I feel like I'm watching the sequel to a really crap horror movie.
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Still don't get why we drafted Arnot Dea elton helbig McBean types if we are just going to play Dimma mates every year
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Mcbeans not ready mate. Keep up FFS
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The club is stuffed or the fans are deluded if we hold out hope on Mc Bean.
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The club is stuffed or the fans are deluded if we hold out hope on Mc Bean.
Let's just leave Chaplin at full forward for another five years
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The club is stuffed or the fans are deluded if we hold out hope on Mc Bean.
Let's just leave Chaplin at full forward for another five years
C'mon bents, disingenuous post that. Jack is our full forward and doing a fine job. The way I see it,Mc Bean has to do better than either Jack or Ty. Ty is the obvious choice but I think his ruck work is far superior to Mc Beans. Maybe Lloyds spot? He isn't doing too badly either.
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The club is stuffed or the fans are deluded if we hold out hope on Mc Bean.
Let's just leave Chaplin at full forward for another five years
C'mon bents, disingenuous post that. Jack is our full forward and doing a fine job. The way I see it,Mc Bean has to do better than either Jack or Ty. Ty is the obvious choice but I think his ruck work is far superior to Mc Beans. Maybe Lloyds spot? He isn't doing too badly either.
::)
Chf
Call it what u want
It's a hairy big usless monkey that has the turnin circle of a boat, the agility of a MS sufferer lost clogging in the fwd 50
There is no reason McBean cannot play Chaplins spot outside of the coach being a moron
Dimma has already conceded multiple times he is playing Lloyd as a key forward...
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Go Richo I think you are the dulluded one son. No one is holding out hope on anything this club has produced.
What we want is for bean to get the same opportunities as the rest of the selfish scared little fgts who we have given many chances to. If he is not up to it well guess what he joins the rest of the spuds we have.
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The club is stuffed or the fans are deluded if we hold out hope on Mc Bean.
Let's just leave Chaplin at full forward for another five years
C'mon bents, disingenuous post that. Jack is our full forward and doing a fine job. The way I see it,Mc Bean has to do better than either Jack or Ty. Ty is the obvious choice but I think his ruck work is far superior to Mc Beans. Maybe Lloyds spot? He isn't doing too badly either.
::)
Chf
Call it what u want
It's a hairy big usless monkey that has the turnin circle of a boat, the agility of a MS sufferer lost clogging in the fwd 50
There is no reason McBean cannot play Chaplins spot outside of the coach being a moron
Dimma has already conceded multiple times he is playing Lloyd as a key forward...
There is another reason why McBean doesn't get played and that him not being good enough. I am not saying Chaplin should be playing though, sadly I think Batch is a better option. Even Elton? But honestly these blokes aren't exactly banging the door down. I just hope for an injury free Grimes whom I think would be close to our most underrated player.
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The club is stuffed or the fans are deluded if we hold out hope on Mc Bean.
Let's just leave Chaplin at full forward for another five years
C'mon bents, disingenuous post that. Jack is our full forward and doing a fine job. The way I see it,Mc Bean has to do better than either Jack or Ty. Ty is the obvious choice but I think his ruck work is far superior to Mc Beans. Maybe Lloyds spot? He isn't doing too badly either.
::)
Chf
Call it what u want
It's a hairy big usless monkey that has the turnin circle of a boat, the agility of a MS sufferer lost clogging in the fwd 50
There is no reason McBean cannot play Chaplins spot outside of the coach being a moron
Dimma has already conceded multiple times he is playing Lloyd as a key forward...
There is another reason why McBean doesn't get played and that him not being good enough. I am not saying Chaplin should be playing though, sadly I think Batch is a better option. Even Elton? But honestly these blokes aren't exactly banging the door down. I just hope for an injury free Grimes whom I think would be close to our most underrated player.
So what's the other option? Play tex walker or j roughed forward? Guess what
It not a question if he's good enough
The question is - is he less Shyte or more Shyte than the current option, overpaid hack old troy
Hampson grigg Chaplin Houli are not good enough yet worshipped by the club like demigods
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Go Richo I think you are the dulluded one son. No one is holding out hope on anything this club has produced.
What we want is for bean to get the same opportunities as the rest of the selfish scared little fgts who we have given many chances to. If he is not up to it well guess what he joins the rest of the spuds we have.
I understand your position but honestly Bean is not in our next premiership team either. And I agree, we do have some scared little bunch of sticks.
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The club is stuffed or the fans are deluded if we hold out hope on Mc Bean.
Let's just leave Chaplin at full forward for another five years
C'mon bents, disingenuous post that. Jack is our full forward and doing a fine job. The way I see it,Mc Bean has to do better than either Jack or Ty. Ty is the obvious choice but I think his ruck work is far superior to Mc Beans. Maybe Lloyds spot? He isn't doing too badly either.
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Chf
Call it what u want
It's a hairy big usless monkey that has the turnin circle of a boat, the agility of a MS sufferer lost clogging in the fwd 50
There is no reason McBean cannot play Chaplins spot outside of the coach being a moron
Dimma has already conceded multiple times he is playing Lloyd as a key forward...
There is another reason why McBean doesn't get played and that him not being good enough. I am not saying Chaplin should be playing though, sadly I think Batch is a better option. Even Elton? But honestly these blokes aren't exactly banging the door down. I just hope for an injury free Grimes whom I think would be close to our most underrated player.
So what's the other option? Play tex walker or j roughed forward? Guess what
It not a question if he's good enough
The question is - is he less Shyte or more Shyte than the current option, overpaid hack old troy
Hampson grigg Chaplin Houli are not good enough yet worshipped by the club like demigods
Once again, I see your point. However, I reckon Chol wants it more than Bean.
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Go Richo I think you are the dulluded one son. No one is holding out hope on anything this club has produced.
What we want is for bean to get the same opportunities as the rest of the selfish scared little fgts who we have given many chances to. If he is not up to it well guess what he joins the rest of the spuds we have.
I understand your position but honestly Bean is not in our next premiership team either. And I agree, we do have some scared little bunch of sticks.
He's 21
He kicked 5 goals today.
Won Victorian football league medals for kicking the most goals
He may well not make it but wouldn't it be nice to try for once before we delist him in stead of playing the same list blocking flogs every week
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Go Richo I think you are the dulluded one son. No one is holding out hope on anything this club has produced.
What we want is for bean to get the same opportunities as the rest of the selfish scared little fgts who we have given many chances to. If he is not up to it well guess what he joins the rest of the spuds we have.
I understand your position but honestly Bean is not in our next premiership team either. And I agree, we do have some scared little bunch of sticks.
He's 21
He kicked 5 goals today.
He has was medals for kicking the most goals
He may well not make it but wouldn't it be nice to try for once before we delist him in stead of playing the same list blocking flogs every week
Fair enough. Like I said, I can see where you're coming from.
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Successful clubs are able to turnaround their rebuilds relatively quickly (within a couple of years) because they have a strong core with depth during their successful times. Once that successful period is over, the younger members of that squad become the older core of the next successful period. So when these clubs drop down the ladder and bring in a wave of high draft pick talent, they are actually adding these new kids to an already existing core. Hawthorn, for instance, added Buddy, Roughead, Lewis, Birchall, Rioli to an existing young core of Hodge, Mitchell, Sewell, Bateman, Croad, Campbell Brown, etc. They've remained on top since with smart trades and FA deals.
Our attempt at "rebuilding" in 2005 was started from scratch with no young core (unlike the Hawks). We stuffed up the 2004-5 drafts completely aside from Lids, so the start got pushed back to the end of 2006 and we were still "rebuilding" by the start of Dimma's reign at the end of 2009. We were able to build a decent core with Cotch, Lids, Jack, Rance, Dusty and trading in Ivan, while we brought in some experience via other trades and FA. This moved us from a bottom side up to the upper-middle region of the ladder by 2013. However, we really needed a second wave of top early-draft talent and/or a Hawthorn-like smart trades/FA scenario to boost the quality of our list and depth to become a top 4 side. Without either scenario, we have stagnated over the past 3 years and as a result still rely on the same core we had 3 years ago.
With good runs in terms of injuries, we've been able to play all of our core and hence our best 22 most weeks over a H/A season which has covered enough over our depth and quality deficiencies to have us finishing between 5th-8th. However, the heat of finals and now injuries to our key core players have exposed our list deficiencies and over-reliance on our core players.
A mini-rebuild, where we drop down and pick up a second wave of high-end draft talent wouldn't be the worst thing to happen. It doesn't help though that we have already given up a 2016 second rounder thanks to the Yarran/Gold Coast trades.
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Disagree the 5% upgrades won't win u a premiership.
Grigg has not improved since coming to the club. If we drafted a kid who knows what he could have turned into. Sam Frost is a better footballer than Chaplin. Rookie player vs 400k dud.
Sam Lloyd been good.
Money ball is rubbish and the people need to take responsibility for doing the top up rubbish that ruined the club in the Frawley era.
Petterd
Chaplin
Edwards
Grigg
Hampson
Plus more
All average C graders. Best case scenario gets u a token finals appearance which is what we have achieved and thus have peaked.
Pathetic.
Nothing wrong with moneyball to fix short term holes in the list.
Hardwick's problem is he forgets this and gets comfortable with the moneyballer and forgets to develop the player we drafted to fix the hole in the first place.
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Woosha... :thumbsup
So we have missed out on this bloke and we have missed out on Roo's who would have been great. Who is left, what about throwing the kitchen sink at Clarkson at the end of the year.... :clapping
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Get KB
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Gotta stuff him off
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As the years tick by Father Time stops for no one rance. Deledio. Cotchin. All get another year closer to hanging up the boots.
What's most gratin for Richmond faithful as the premiership window slams shut is what could of been
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Finished. In Failure. We are a rabble. What a complete Disappointment. But I dont only blame Hardwick, this failure is the failure in understand that when you recruit rejects from other clubs under a moneyball scenario this is what you get - CRAP!
They talk big at Tigerland but once again they have come up empty. Just complete disappointment. Dont know what to say and we pay those idiots at Punt Road to produce this type of crap. They have no pride.
So whose available in the next draft folks?
Of the players in the 25 age range plus:
Richmond boast
A Moore.
Hunt
Morris
Houli
Grigg
Hampson
Chaplin
A remarkable quantity of deadwood in the senior rAnks
Contrast this with opposition lists. They difference are stark a senior players at other clubs often add skill experience class ... As opposed to being a burden
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Finished. In Failure. We are a rabble. What a complete Disappointment. But I dont only blame Hardwick, this failure is the failure in understand that when you recruit rejects from other clubs under a moneyball scenario this is what you get - CRAP!
They talk big at Tigerland but once again they have come up empty. Just complete disappointment. Dont know what to say and we pay those idiots at Punt Road to produce this type of crap. They have no pride.
So whose available in the next draft folks?
Of the players in the 25 age range plus:
Richmond boast
A Moore.
Hunt
Morris
Houli
Grigg
Hampson
Chaplin
A remarkable quantity of deadwood in the senior rAnks
Contrast this with opposition lists. They difference are stark a senior players at other clubs often add skill experience class ... As opposed to being a burden
Wowee is all I can say.
Not one player I would keep.
We are in trouble.
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It's a hairy big usless monkey that has the turnin circle of a boat, the agility of a MS sufferer lost clogging in the fwd 50
I loled when he turned that Melbourne defender inside out.
Time to give it away if Chaplin does it to you
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Finished. In Failure. We are a rabble. What a complete Disappointment. But I dont only blame Hardwick, this failure is the failure in understand that when you recruit rejects from other clubs under a moneyball scenario this is what you get - CRAP!
They talk big at Tigerland but once again they have come up empty. Just complete disappointment. Dont know what to say and we pay those idiots at Punt Road to produce this type of crap. They have no pride.
So whose available in the next draft folks?
Of the players in the 25 age range plus:
Richmond boast
A Moore.
Hunt
Morris
Houli
Grigg
Hampson
Chaplin
A remarkable quantity of deadwood in the senior rAnks
Contrast this with opposition lists. They difference are stark a senior players at other clubs often add skill experience class ... As opposed to being a burden
Wowee is all I can say.
Not one player I would keep.
We are in trouble.
Yep ... Delist that group
Trade the next next group: conca. Bellis. Bachelor. Griffiths. Vickery. ...
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I have no problem with the moneyball things, Grigg was a definite upgrade on Collins, others like Houli etc. were upgrades on what we had at the time.
The problem is that we didn't go on with it, once we improved a little, the next wave of upgrades should have happened.
Sell high, like the Pies did with Dawes and Wellingham.
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April
2014
:whistle
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I have no problem with the moneyball things, Grigg was a definite upgrade on Collins, others like Houli etc. were upgrades on what we had at the time.
The problem is that we didn't go on with it, once we improved a little, the next wave of upgrades should have happened.
Sell high, like the Pies did with Dawes and Wellingham.
^^^^
April
2014
:whistle
You must have way to much time in your hands.
Get a job :thumbsup
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I have no problem with the moneyball things, Grigg was a definite upgrade on Collins, others like Houli etc. were upgrades on what we had at the time.
The problem is that we didn't go on with it, once we improved a little, the next wave of upgrades should have happened.
Sell high, like the Pies did with Dawes and Wellingham.
^^^^
April
2014
:whistle
Fair assessment at the time. Upgrade that lot over two preseasons and we're in a much better position than we are in now
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Not sure if serious
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Not sure if serious
You disagree? Our next upgrades could have been Treloar for Grigg, Clarke for Maric/Hampson, someone else for Houli and you don't think we'd be better off now? We'd still need to invest in the kids but those top up players should have been improved on
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Oh yeah
I reread it