Not great. Big step up to AFL.
Thought he was good, allowed Baker to be released and move up on the wing :clapping
Happy to see him get games but i am asking is playing another hbf really the most important team need atm.I think they are ironing out the wings. MacIntosh has one locked down and now trying to see who best fits the other wing having Baker play through there seeing he was exposed against Sydney with the young tall boy taking easy marks against him.
Would've been a handy addition a couple of years ago when we needed an upgrade on Morris... :shh
Should have been a free kick but so should of the countless others they missed.
I don’t think it’s reportable.
No surprise nothing to see here from the MRO.
Incident assessed:
Contact between Geelong Cats’ Joel Selwood and Richmond’s Rhyan Mansell from the third quarter of Friday night’s match between Richmond and the Geelong Cats was assessed. Selwood approaches the loose ball after it is handballed behind Richmond’s Mansell. As Mansell attempts to retreat for the ball, he is held by Geelong player Shaun Higgins in an attempt to allow his teammate Selwood to contest the ball. As Selwood approaches the ball, he turns side-on and lowers his body to take possession as Mansell reaches for the ball when high contact is made. It was determined by the Match Review Officer that Selwood was contesting the ball and his actions were not unreasonable in the circumstances. No further action was taken.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/609664/match-review-cat-fined-for-dangerous-tackle
Exactly, HKT.No surprise nothing to see here from the MRO.
Incident assessed:
Contact between Geelong Cats’ Joel Selwood and Richmond’s Rhyan Mansell from the third quarter of Friday night’s match between Richmond and the Geelong Cats was assessed. Selwood approaches the loose ball after it is handballed behind Richmond’s Mansell. As Mansell attempts to retreat for the ball, he is held by Geelong player Shaun Higgins in an attempt to allow his teammate Selwood to contest the ball. As Selwood approaches the ball, he turns side-on and lowers his body to take possession as Mansell reaches for the ball when high contact is made. It was determined by the Match Review Officer that Selwood was contesting the ball and his actions were not unreasonable in the circumstances. No further action was taken.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/609664/match-review-cat-fined-for-dangerous-tackle
Basically acknowledging 2 free kicks to Nigel.
I really am enjoying watching this kid play. He isn’t weak nor is he shy to take the game on and backs himself in, most importantly he can kick and he doesn’t take any crap from anyone.
Ticks all the boxes and we should keep playing him now.
That kind of sounds like he's still no cert to stay on the list next year...... :huh
That kind of sounds like he's still no cert to stay on the list next year...... :huh
I thought he was talking about spots in the 22 as players return from injury
That kind of sounds like he's still no cert to stay on the list next year...... :huh
I thought he was talking about spots in the 22 as players return from injury
Exactly what he was talking about.
Mansell has been extended by two years, tying him to the Club until the end of 2023.
Mansell, 21, put together an excellent debut season for Richmond, playing 13 matches as a small defender.
The former Woodville West Torrens premiership player was added to the Club’s list as a Supplementary Selection in February.
Mansell averaged 11 disposals, 2.2 tackles and 2.7 rebound 50s this year, with his defensive attributes and mindset a highlight.
“Rhyan has also worked really hard since he first joined us as a train-on player in January.
“He has thoroughly deserved the senior opportunities he received this year, and we are excited to see him continue to progress across the next two years and beyond.” - Blair Hartley.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1011636
Does anyone know if Mansell has been promoted to the senior list or will he remain as a rookie?
Cheers taz :cheers.Does anyone know if Mansell has been promoted to the senior list or will he remain as a rookie?
I dont definitively know the answer but as the hadn't specified he has been upgraded, you would assume he is still on Rookie list
One of my favourites. A modern 80’s and 90’s type player.
Hopefully he only gets a fine for his excellent work on the blonde non-binary :rollin
Played well today. Strong at the footy and uses it really well.
Wayne Carey reckons it wasn't a reportable offence.
Wayne Carey reckons it wasn't a reportable offence.
Snotting a campaigner like this little gimp isn't a reportable offence - it's a community service!:lol :rollin :clapping :clapping
Thanks Rhyan, gain $200, proceed straight to GO! :thumbsup
Tend to agree, not a good look and looks pretty average behaviour IMOWayne Carey reckons it wasn't a reportable offence.
Yeah and I agree but...
There's been a few this year where Carey and others have said incidents are not reportable and the MRO (with sign off by Scott his Boss) have charged players anyway
So based solely on that I reckon he is in strife
I haven’t been watching much footy this year so far (PhD and 2 kids under 3). Did I miss something with Ginnivan? Other than having a punchable face has he done something which has made him public enemy?PHD, I'm impressed. What field is it in?
Thanks for the kind words. Neuroscience. Specifically on the retina. Trying to improve the way we can transmit information through the eye because even though bionic eye implants exist the current models are crap:gobdrop :clapping super impressive
Thanks for the kind words. Neuroscience. Specifically on the retina. Trying to improve the way we can transmit information through the eye because even though bionic eye implants exist the current models are crap
:lol :lol :lol
In all seriousness you’re too kind. It’s just basic science. But trying to get fundamental data so whenever we build the next gen bionic eye the rationale is we have a better idea on how to hook it up t the brain.
But speaking of not seeing anything, is ginnivan’s main offence is he has a punchable face? It doesn’t phase me either way, I’m happy to jump on the bandwagon.
BF rumour that he said something racist to Edwards..
Had a very quiet game imo but then again he only had 67% tog.There for forward half pressure and defence but did not lay a fwd 50 tackle the other small fwd rioli only had 1 as well.
Nekminit, dropped.
Despite playing his role really really well? Huh
Nekminit, dropped.
Despite playing his role really really well? Huh
Nekminit, dropped.
Despite playing his role really really well? Huh
Don't listen to a word mate. Bloke acts like he's an assistant coach
Would really like for them to play him in his natural role as a defender and leave the fwd half for natural fwds.
#betterthancumberlandhow
Pressure on ball carrier and doesn’t give up on contests.#betterthancumberlandhow
#betterthancumberlandhow
#castagnaisbetterthanrichoPressure on ball carrier and doesn’t give up on contests.#betterthancumberlandhow
You’ve still got time to delete this tigraI stand by it.
You’ve still got time to delete this tigraI stand by it.
Granted it was a terrible set shot but he chases and tackles all game and doesn’t give up in a contest.
I’ve seen plenty miss those btw.
Our mids and defence lost us this game not Mansell.
VFL next week is what you deserve.
Ok yes he should have but gee, we shouldn’t get smashed in the clearances like we did in the last 10 minutes. Our mids were putrid yet again. Mansell didn’t cost us the game, our mids and Nank cost us the game.:clapping :clapping :clapping
Ok yes he should have but gee, we shouldn’t get smashed in the clearances like we did in the last 10 minutes. Our mids were putrid yet again. Mansell didn’t cost us the game, our mids and Nank cost us the game.:clapping :clapping :clapping
And I would add that our defence is also to blame.
Most of all our “leaders” need to take a good look at their game tonight they were rubbish.
I still stand by my opinion on Mansell. What he lacks in flair & skill he makes up with never say die attitude for four quarters. He won’t take a backwards step or pull out of a contest and will pressure the opponent for the whole game.#betterthancumberland
Rhyan Mansell had a shot at goal late in the game that could have sealed it for Richmond, but it went out on the full.
"He's one of those guys who tries his backside off," Hardwick said.
"At least he put himself in the position to have the shot on goal."
Source: AAP (https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/afl/hardwick-fumes-after-horrible-tigers-fall-to-bombers/ar-AA1bs8g2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d8a1ba3aa7d748349187d56bfd0fca4e&ei=5).
For all of his pressuring of opponents he managed 2 tackles???????????
Putting yourself in positions is no exuse where not playing auskick very poor response.
Tagger is the only role I'd give him at AFL level if we had a reasonably fit list. The kind who you don't mind if they get suspended. :shh
Cumberland has taken dumps with more football ability.
Cumberland has taken dumps with more football ability.I'm not going to dispute what you've seen with your own eyes.
Tom Morris told me :shhCumberland has taken dumps with more football ability.I'm not going to dispute what you've seen with your own eyes.
He's always right there with a scoop.Tom Morris told me :shhCumberland has taken dumps with more football ability.I'm not going to dispute what you've seen with your own eyes.
Granted it was Not his best game but I wouldn’t be dropping him for Cumbersome just yet
I think he got some attributes I like and as Dio has suggested might possibly make a decent tagger one day.
But I would persist with him in the forward role for the rest of the season and let him develop and I’ll back him in that he will make it.
#betterthancumberland
He pressure acts are normally very good in F50 but he was not up to standard vs Port.Granted it was Not his best game but I wouldn’t be dropping him for Cumbersome just yet
I think he got some attributes I like and as Dio has suggested might possibly make a decent tagger one day.
But I would persist with him in the forward role for the rest of the season and let him develop and I’ll back him in that he will make it.
#betterthancumberland
So let me understand you instead of developing your skills in the 2's and getting promoted on ability Mansell should develop his game in the I's and stink it up for the rest of the
season because we need to develop him?????
If he is applying defensive pressure why is he averaging less than 3 tackles a match?
Mistake to sub him off. Was hard as nails all games and his pressure was very high.
#betterthancumberland
Hard aa nails this kid. Work rate is elite. :clapping
A few on here with egg on the face this week :rollin
#betterthancumberland
Reckon he’ll cop weeks. Aish didn’t come back on.
Incidental contact. Nothing else he could do. Ball was in dispute so he couldn’t tackle had to protect himselfIf Butler gets a week, then Mansell does as well. But both will get off on appeal
The system being what it is right now = farcical
He will cop at least 1 or 2 weeks. Didn't think he should but that's what will happen IMHO
His case is hurt by 2 things Aish was concussed and as Basil harped on about He lost his headband
i think mansell should challenge and perhaps get a few more weeksStrange, he spoke very highly of you
he is a d grade footballer.
What a surprise MRO Michael Christian contradicting himself and his own decisions ::).:clapping :clapping
In 2021, Joel Selwood and Mansell collided both going for the ball. Selwood turned his body (correct technique) while Mansell didn't going head first (Dimma at the time said it was poor technique). Christian cleared Selwood of any wrongdoing.
The AFL's match review officer has cleared Geelong captain Joel Selwood of any wrongdoing in his collision with Richmond's Rhyan Mansell.
Selwood turned his body while picking up the in-dispute ball on Friday night, inadvertently making contact with Mansell's head.
The incident was scrutinised by match review officer Michael Christian, but he found Selwood was contesting the ball and his actions "were not unreasonable".
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7244031/afl-match-review-officer-clears-selwood/
The Mansell-Aish incident is no different. Loose ball and both players were running at pace from opposite directions for the ball. Mansell turned his body at the last second as he had been told to do by not only our coaches but also by the same MRO only two years earlier. Aish didn't turn his body (poor technique) and came off second best. That's not Mansell's fault.
This is what I would be arguing to the Tribunal if I was the RFC counsel. Mansell showed correct technique going for the loose ball as the MRO ticked off for Selwood only two years ago when it was Mansell on the receiving end. While Aish didn't. We need to educate all footballers to use the correct technique (turning the body side-on) to avoid head collisions and concussion incidents; not punish those players that already do.
Hannon (AFL): If this does not constitute a bump, what is it then?
Hannon (AFL): At the point of the bump, Mansell wasn't contesting the ball. If he was, it wasn't reasonable to contest the ball in the way he did.
Hannon (AFL) says Mansell could've tackled Aish. Alternatively, he could've slowed "even slightly".
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tribunal-news-2023-live-updates-hearings-blog-results-james-sicily-tackle-dan-butler-tackle-rhyan-mansell-bump-suspensions-video/news-story/c133cd1a4f1e299dad13b5a6469283d2).
Is Dan Andrew’s running this??Hannon (AFL): If this does not constitute a bump, what is it then?
Hannon (AFL): At the point of the bump, Mansell wasn't contesting the ball. If he was, it wasn't reasonable to contest the ball in the way he did.
Hannon (AFL) says Mansell could've tackled Aish. Alternatively, he could've slowed "even slightly".
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tribunal-news-2023-live-updates-hearings-blog-results-james-sicily-tackle-dan-butler-tackle-rhyan-mansell-bump-suspensions-video/news-story/c133cd1a4f1e299dad13b5a6469283d2).
Then Aish could have "slowed even slightly" as well? What a ridiculous argument ::).
Wonder what would happen if the 2 players collected and concussed each other, would they both face the tribunal? Because it’s a matter of 0.1 seconds away from it being potentially that way or mansell being concussed.Yep, it's ridiculous what the AFL rep. is suggesting.
Surely we have to appeal...Let's hope so. We can't allow this to go through unchallenged.
Whateley then questioned the Graham sling tackle (which was the umps fault for being too slow to blow the whistle).
Johnson was resisting the tackle, his arms weren't pinned, and he made no attempt to dispose of the ball. The whistle should have been blown straight away; not wait until the player is turned 720 degrees. If you watch old replays of footy from 40 years ago like the 1980 GF, the umps would blow the whistle as soon as the ball stopped moving. The Umps nowdays waiting for the ball to come out is a key contributor to these late sling tackles.
Whateley then questioned the Graham sling tackle (which was the umps fault for being too slow to blow the whistle).
I thought Graham was lucky not to be cited. And I don't agree that a slow whistle is permission or encouraging players to bounce a head into the turf. Players have to be better at resisting that motion.
Reasons for decision:If that wasn't two players simply running at top speed from opposite directions to contest a loose ball then the game now is no longer Aussie Rules.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fyff5i5aIAA9HeS?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/DavidZita1/status/1668548431105904640
The AFL's match review officer has cleared Geelong captain Joel Selwood of any wrongdoing in his collision with Richmond's Rhyan Mansell.
Selwood turned his body while picking up the in-dispute ball on Friday night, inadvertently making contact with Mansell's head.
The incident was scrutinised by match review officer Michael Christian, but he found Selwood was contesting the ball and his actions "were not unreasonable".
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7244031/afl-match-review-officer-clears-selwood/
Mansell: I don't think I had any other option but to protect myself.
Hannon (AFL): You could've tackled him?
Mansell: I don't believe I could've.
Hannon (AFL): You could've slowed?
Mansell: Not at the speed we were going at.
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tribunal-news-2023-live-updates-hearings-blog-results-james-sicily-tackle-dan-butler-tackle-rhyan-mansell-bump-suspensions-video/news-story/c133cd1a4f1e299dad13b5a6469283d2).
Sicily copped 3 weeks as well out of interest.
https://twitter.com/DavidZita1/status/1668585401475563521
Jack Ziebell, a tough, at the ball footballer was criticised for not going at the ball or tackling an opposition player in a head on contest at the weekend.https://twitter.com/ncb_cfc/status/1668612216541810692
James Sicily wins a HTB free for what the commentator described as a great tackle. 3 weeks
This is the modern game 🤷♂️
As if the game wasn’t hard enough to play already 🤦♂️https://twitter.com/ncb_cfc/status/1668614219946921990
I'm guessing we will challenge the Tribunal's judgement that it wasn't a contested loose ball. When you look at the vision, at no stage does Aish have clean possession of the ball (so tackling him wasn't an option for Mansell). Then there's the speed element. A modern footballer can sprint at around 11 m/s. The Tribunal expected Mansell to alter his speed and course barely one metre away. That's only 0.09 secs to make a decision which is unrealistic. Then add the unpredictability of the last bounce of the ball just before the collision where the ball lands on its point and changes direction. If the bouncing ball's trajectory had remained the same (bouncing away from Aish and towards Mansell) then the outcome would've been obviously different.
I’m so pleased the club is appealing :gotigersThat's why we landed Taranto and Hopper.
I am genuinely surprised they are challenging but very glad that they are;DI'm guessing we will challenge the Tribunal's judgement that it wasn't a contested loose ball. When you look at the vision, at no stage does Aish have clean possession of the ball (so tackling him wasn't an option for Mansell). Then there's the speed element. A modern footballer can sprint at around 11 m/s. The Tribunal expected Mansell to alter his speed and course barely one metre away. That's only 0.09 secs to make a decision which is unrealistic. Then add the unpredictability of the last bounce of the ball just before the collision where the ball lands on its point and changes direction. If the bouncing ball's trajectory had remained the same (bouncing away from Aish and towards Mansell) then the outcome would've been obviously different.
Give the Club a call MT, they could use you on the defence team ;D
And this is the result of two players both not turning their bodies when contesting a loose ball from opposite directions. Both players end up smashing their heads together :P.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/LloydJuddCollision.gif)
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1668943422051467264
Imagine if both Mansell and Aish moving at much higher velocity did this. It would've been car crash-like with injuries to match :help
Crazy and dangerous stuff by the AFL to now demand players open themselves up or slow down "slightly" at contests rather than turning their bodies and protecting themselves going for the ball.
Actually, if the appeal fails, the Club could potentially take this to WorkSafe as OHS at every workplace states the first duty of every employee is to protect themself which is what Mansell was doing. It was Aish who didn't and as a result he came off second best.
Can you represent rhyan?My experience is judges aren't fans of people without law degrees acting for the defence. You need a gun qualified defence lawyer like Carlton has :-\.
And this is the result of two players both not turning their bodies when contesting a loose ball from opposite directions. Both players end up smashing their heads together :P.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/LloydJuddCollision.gif)
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1668943422051467264
Imagine if both Mansell and Aish moving at much higher velocity did this. It would've been car crash-like with injuries to match :help
Crazy and dangerous stuff by the AFL to now demand players open themselves up or slow down "slightly" at contests rather than turning their bodies and protecting themselves going for the ball.
Actually, if the appeal fails, the Club could potentially take this to WorkSafe as OHS at every workplace states the first duty of every employee is to protect themself which is what Mansell was doing. It was Aish who didn't and as a result he came off second best.
And this is the result of two players both not turning their bodies when contesting a loose ball from opposite directions. Both players end up smashing their heads together :P.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/LloydJuddCollision.gif)
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1668943422051467264
Imagine if both Mansell and Aish moving at much higher velocity did this. It would've been car crash-like with injuries to match :help
Crazy and dangerous stuff by the AFL to now demand players open themselves up or slow down "slightly" at contests rather than turning their bodies and protecting themselves going for the ball.
Actually, if the appeal fails, the Club could potentially take this to WorkSafe as OHS at every workplace states the first duty of every employee is to protect themself which is what Mansell was doing. It was Aish who didn't and as a result he came off second best.
Here's an example of both players ( one being Cotch :thumbsup ) turning their bodies at the point of collision so there's no head contact and no one gets hurt nor concussed.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/CotchToughness.gif)
The Club should show both videos tonight as examples of what happens when the wrong technique is used (both Lloyd & Judd) and when the correct technique used (both Cotch & Eagles player). Mansell should not be blamed let alone suspended for using the correct technique in a loose ball contest when Aish didn't, and the latter came off second best.
And this is the result of two players both not turning their bodies when contesting a loose ball from opposite directions. Both players end up smashing their heads together :P.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/LloydJuddCollision.gif)
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1668943422051467264
Imagine if both Mansell and Aish moving at much higher velocity did this. It would've been car crash-like with injuries to match :help
Crazy and dangerous stuff by the AFL to now demand players open themselves up or slow down "slightly" at contests rather than turning their bodies and protecting themselves going for the ball.
Actually, if the appeal fails, the Club could potentially take this to WorkSafe as OHS at every workplace states the first duty of every employee is to protect themself which is what Mansell was doing. It was Aish who didn't and as a result he came off second best.
Here's an example of both players ( one being Cotch :thumbsup ) turning their bodies at the point of collision so there's no head contact and no one gets hurt nor concussed.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/CotchToughness.gif)
The Club should show both videos tonight as examples of what happens when the wrong technique is used (both Lloyd & Judd) and when the correct technique used (both Cotch & Eagles player). Mansell should not be blamed let alone suspended for using the correct technique in a loose ball contest when Aish didn't, and the latter came off second best.
Before he is muted and his camera is turned off, he can be heard saying "have you got the oven on?"
#moreexpensivethancumberland:lol
#moreexpensivethancumberland
#moreexpensivethancumberland:lol :rollin
(https://images.7news.com.au/publication/C-1263406/c42bdbfbf6baff208306095efd646354c7534cc6.png)#moreexpensivethancumberland:lol :rollin
This decision was rubbish.
I would be appealing to the high court and I’d get MT to provide counsel
There's no confusion and everything is fine according to incoming AFL CEO Andrew Dillon.
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Dillon said while sanctions for dangerous tackles would be reviewed at the end of the season, they were in the “right spot” at the moment.
“I don’t really see there being confusion,” Dillon told reporters.
“At the moment the penalties or the sanctions are in the right spot.
“But as we do every year at the end of the year, we’ll review how the season is going and where we want to go going forward.
“So (that) doesn‘t necessarily mean we’ll stay in the same spot.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/no-confusion-afl-hits-back-on-criticism-of-tackle-crackdown/news-story/b06c50b276a1b1f358615c209607726d
Are rich private school boys club types normally communists?
Are rich private school boys club types normally communists?Authoritarians: They'll make hay with communism or fascism, it really doesn't matter. Certainly not ideologues.
Are rich private school boys club types normally communists?
The term “woke” is getting tossed around a lot lately.Agreed, but there is undoubtedly a new puritanism asserting itself: A new age of insufferable protestants obsessed with salvation who can't just mind their own thoughts and words -- they have to regulate everyone else's thoughts and words as well. At least with the Catholics -- they have their own problems -- but at least they know they can uphold the ritual once a week and get back to afternoon siestas Monday to Saturday. Give me southern Europe any day. Way too much missionary energy in the society these days from people who think they're irreligious but are painful religious cliches. It's been done before: It was called the 17th Century.
I notice that it’s particularly popular with blokes with cars as fb profile pics who use it quite broadly to describe anything they don’t like.
The ‘culture war’ debates are so asinine and redundant it’s amazing that people get caught up in it.
Partisan outrage contests on both sides that changes no ones opinion and solves absolutely nothing.
The term “woke” is getting tossed around a lot lately.Agreed, but there is undoubtedly a new puritanism asserting itself: A new age of insufferable protestants obsessed with salvation who can't just mind their own thoughts and words -- they have to regulate everyone else's thoughts and words as well. At least with the Catholics -- they have their own problems -- but at least they know they can uphold the ritual once a week and get back to afternoon siestas Monday to Saturday. Give me southern Europe any day. Way too much missionary energy in the society these days from people who think they're irreligious but are painful religious cliches. It's been done before: It was called the 17th Century.
I notice that it’s particularly popular with blokes with cars as fb profile pics who use it quite broadly to describe anything they don’t like.
The ‘culture war’ debates are so asinine and redundant it’s amazing that people get caught up in it.
Partisan outrage contests on both sides that changes no ones opinion and solves absolutely nothing.
Also, 3 weeks -- what a joke!
Are rich private school boys club types normally communists?
If you were aware of the backgrounds of the famous Communist revolutionary leaders you'd know that's actually not that far from the truth. They mostly came from privileged backgrounds and were very rarely even remotely working class or part of the masses themselves. :shh
The term “woke” is getting tossed around a lot lately.Agreed, but there is undoubtedly a new puritanism asserting itself: A new age of insufferable protestants obsessed with salvation who can't just mind their own thoughts and words -- they have to regulate everyone else's thoughts and words as well. At least with the Catholics -- they have their own problems -- but at least they know they can uphold the ritual once a week and get back to afternoon siestas Monday to Saturday. Give me southern Europe any day. Way too much missionary energy in the society these days from people who think they're irreligious but are painful religious cliches. It's been done before: It was called the 17th Century.
I notice that it’s particularly popular with blokes with cars as fb profile pics who use it quite broadly to describe anything they don’t like.
The ‘culture war’ debates are so asinine and redundant it’s amazing that people get caught up in it.
Partisan outrage contests on both sides that changes no ones opinion and solves absolutely nothing.
Also, 3 weeks -- what a joke!
It's all quite interesting seeing the same patterns come and go -- until they reach your front door anyway. Personally, I don't get too worked up about it.The term “woke” is getting tossed around a lot lately.Agreed, but there is undoubtedly a new puritanism asserting itself: A new age of insufferable protestants obsessed with salvation who can't just mind their own thoughts and words -- they have to regulate everyone else's thoughts and words as well. At least with the Catholics -- they have their own problems -- but at least they know they can uphold the ritual once a week and get back to afternoon siestas Monday to Saturday. Give me southern Europe any day. Way too much missionary energy in the society these days from people who think they're irreligious but are painful religious cliches. It's been done before: It was called the 17th Century.
I notice that it’s particularly popular with blokes with cars as fb profile pics who use it quite broadly to describe anything they don’t like.
The ‘culture war’ debates are so asinine and redundant it’s amazing that people get caught up in it.
Partisan outrage contests on both sides that changes no ones opinion and solves absolutely nothing.
Also, 3 weeks -- what a joke!
I don’t disagree with the ideological Puritanism stuff.
Not everyone on the left is into cancel culture though.
I guess like not everyone on the right is a raging xenophobe.
Anyway, go Tiges am I right?!
The term “woke” is getting tossed around a lot lately.Agreed, but there is undoubtedly a new puritanism asserting itself: A new age of insufferable protestants obsessed with salvation who can't just mind their own thoughts and words -- they have to regulate everyone else's thoughts and words as well. At least with the Catholics -- they have their own problems -- but at least they know they can uphold the ritual once a week and get back to afternoon siestas Monday to Saturday. Give me southern Europe any day. Way too much missionary energy in the society these days from people who think they're irreligious but are painful religious cliches. It's been done before: It was called the 17th Century.
I notice that it’s particularly popular with blokes with cars as fb profile pics who use it quite broadly to describe anything they don’t like.
The ‘culture war’ debates are so asinine and redundant it’s amazing that people get caught up in it.
Partisan outrage contests on both sides that changes no ones opinion and solves absolutely nothing.
Also, 3 weeks -- what a joke!
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1674720542891606019Crazy talk, it’s Geelong so it’s just an accident, move on. 😥😥😥
So MRO/Tribunal are you going to suspend Duncan for protecting himself and not slowing down "slightly" and tackling Blakey in 0.2 seconds? ::)
Crazy talk, it’s Geelong so it’s just an accident, move on. 😥😥😥Yep, wear the hoops it seems and it's no case to answer.
Steve Morris said we are getting Mansell to play wing at VFL level as that is where he is likely to play if/when he gets back into our AFL side.
Steve Morris said we are getting Mansell to play wing at VFL level as that is where he is likely to play if/when he gets back into our AFL side.I think he will thrive as a winger
And yet Mcintosh kicks goals more often than not when given the chance.
Hahaha Mansell is a downright dudI admire your glass half empty outlook
That's all he will ever be.
He's no good. Great, he can tackle but nothing else
He's no good. Great, he can tackle but nothing else
Yep at tigerland we seem to fall head over heels over blokes who have a red hot go but lack in most things.
Play enough of these types and there is a tipping point even during games.
What i saw he played mostly back what a wasted opportunity to get a game into a kid like Brown.
Those in charge are paid big bucks to get the balance right the balance of playing talent over plodders.
The only player with perfect tackling technique.
Should be our tackling coach.
The only player with perfect tackling technique.
Should be our tackling coach.
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©® link=topic=30796.msg755706#msg755706 date=1691912822The only player with perfect tackling technique.
Should be our tackling coach.
Who wasn’t credited with a tackle against the Saints.
The only player with perfect tackling technique.
Should be our tackling coach.
Who wasn’t credited with a tackle against the Saints.
The only player with perfect tackling technique.
Should be our tackling coach.
Really?
Thought he offered nothing when he came on
Fitted in perfectly
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©® link=topic=30796.msg755706#msg755706 date=1691912822The only player with perfect tackling technique.
Should be our tackling coach.
Who wasn’t credited with a tackle against the Saints.
Stats don’t pick up everything.
12:35 min mark in 4th quarter in our f50 - tackle on Steele who threw the ball (no free) caused turn over and Bolton had a shot on goal - point.The only player with perfect tackling technique.
Should be our tackling coach.
Who wasn’t credited with a tackle against the Saints.
The only player with perfect tackling technique.
Should be our tackling coach.
Really?
Thought he offered nothing when he came on
Fitted in perfectly
Provided us an outlet and did get involved WP. Poor decision not to play runners on this ground. Can recall the last time we did…we looked slow.
exiting news. Can barely contain my excitement in anticipation for his 3 possy, 2 tackle game.
exiting news. Can barely contain my excitement in anticipation for his 3 possy, 2 tackle game.
Branluer
Just putting this out there
I wonder what Yze's thoughts are around taggers?
Because I reckon Mansell could be a good tagger. He's got reasonable pace, is good tackler (not that he got rewarded for it very often) and is "in your face" sort player; which is what good taggers do.
Wonder if it's worth a shot?
Just putting this out there
I wonder what Yze's thoughts are around taggers?
Because I reckon Mansell could be a good tagger. He's got reasonable pace, is good tackler (not that he got rewarded for it very often) and is "in your face" sort player; which is what good taggers do.
Wonder if it's worth a shot?
It is being discussed WP :shh
Just putting this out there
I wonder what Yze's thoughts are around taggers?
Because I reckon Mansell could be a good tagger. He's got reasonable pace, is good tackler (not that he got rewarded for it very often) and is "in your face" sort player; which is what good taggers do.
Wonder if it's worth a shot?
It is being discussed WP :shh
Good god you take the absolute pee.
Fly on the wall in every room at Punt Road
Just putting this out there
I wonder what Yze's thoughts are around taggers?
Because I reckon Mansell could be a good tagger. He's got reasonable pace, is good tackler (not that he got rewarded for it very often) and is "in your face" sort player; which is what good taggers do.
Wonder if it's worth a shot?
It is being discussed WP :shh
Good god you take the absolute pee.
Fly on the wall in every room at Punt Road
You would hope he has some inside info
Keep the info coming fridge
Just putting this out there
I wonder what Yze's thoughts are around taggers?
Because I reckon Mansell could be a good tagger. He's got reasonable pace, is good tackler (not that he got rewarded for it very often) and is "in your face" sort player; which is what good taggers do.
Wonder if it's worth a shot?
It is being discussed WP :shh
Good god you take the absolute pee.
Fly on the wall in every room at Punt Road
You would hope he has some inside info
Keep the info coming fridge
Yze barely steps foot into the club and he's straight onto Mansell's role at the club.... :shh :shh
Just putting this out there
I wonder what Yze's thoughts are around taggers?
Because I reckon Mansell could be a good tagger. He's got reasonable pace, is good tackler (not that he got rewarded for it very often) and is "in your face" sort player; which is what good taggers do.
Wonder if it's worth a shot?
It is being discussed WP :shh
Good god you take the absolute pee.
Fly on the wall in every room at Punt Road
You would hope he has some inside info
Keep the info coming fridge
Yze barely steps foot into the club and he's straight onto Mansell's role at the club.... :shh :shh
:shh :shhJust putting this out there
I wonder what Yze's thoughts are around taggers?
Because I reckon Mansell could be a good tagger. He's got reasonable pace, is good tackler (not that he got rewarded for it very often) and is "in your face" sort player; which is what good taggers do.
Wonder if it's worth a shot?
It is being discussed WP :shh
Good god you take the absolute pee.
Fly on the wall in every room at Punt Road
You would hope he has some inside info
Keep the info coming fridge
Yze barely steps foot into the club and he's straight onto Mansell's role at the club.... :shh :shh
Yep
It was actually prior to that
Word has it , when he sat down for his final interview, big Benny Gale started with
“How do you see us going next year and how do you see the role of Mansell in this improvement”
Just putting this out there
I wonder what Yze's thoughts are around taggers?
Because I reckon Mansell could be a good tagger. He's got reasonable pace, is good tackler (not that he got rewarded for it very often) and is "in your face" sort player; which is what good taggers do.
Wonder if it's worth a shot?
It is being discussed WP :shh
Good god you take the absolute pee.
Fly on the wall in every room at Punt Road
You would hope he has some inside info
Keep the info coming fridge
Yze barely steps foot into the club and he's straight onto Mansell's role at the club.... :shh :shh
Yep
It was actually prior to that
Word has it , when he sat down for his final interview, big Benny Gale started with
“How do you see us going next year and how do you see the role of Mansell in this improvement”
Scans have revealed that forward Rhyan Mansell has suffered a moderate-grade syndesmosis injury.
The injury will rule Mansell out of at least the Opening Round clash against Gold Coast, with the Club to have a clearer picture of his return to play timeline in the coming months.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1492019/mansell-injury-update
Pointless footballer....well except for that one point that should've been six points and ultimately cost us four points... :shh
Clarke needs to let his balls drop, still waiting for his voice to break.. Coulthard should be in for McIntosh. Mansell has his liabilities, but he has king size cohonas.. courage and fire.. always has a dip, and that's more valuable to a team full of snags
Coulthard on the wing ? I don’t think kmac, or Pickett are world beaters but what can’t be denied is that they are super fit and run bloody hard to get to so many contests. Albeit they have their stuff ups but they compete hard. Is there anyone else on the list that can run like them ?
Who says Coulthard isn't fit, has pace to burn and skills
Who says Coulthard isn't fit, has pace to burn and skills
Big difference between pace and aerobic ability. Doesn’t count for everything but you have to be able to run and run at pace. Against Gold Coast kmac ran 14.5km. Does that excuse his mistakes ? Of course not
Clarke needs to let his balls drop, still waiting for his voice to break.. Coulthard should be in for McIntosh. Mansell has his liabilities, but he has king size cohonas.. courage and fire.. always has a dip, and that's more valuable to a team full of snags
Can't have a team full of modern day snags.. then we have absolutely no hopeClarke needs to let his balls drop, still waiting for his voice to break.. Coulthard should be in for McIntosh. Mansell has his liabilities, but he has king size cohonas.. courage and fire.. always has a dip, and that's more valuable to a team full of snags
Sorry to say if that's his only attribute well we're in trouble.
Stats stats stats.. meaningless.
Clarke needs to let his balls drop, still waiting for his voice to break.. Coulthard should be in for McIntosh. Mansell has his liabilities, but he has king size cohonas.. courage and fire.. always has a dip, and that's more valuable to a team full of snags
Yeah, Cumberland could never dream of such a kick
Yeah, Cumberland could never dream of such a kick
Correct- he would run into trouble trying to kick goal of the year.
Excellent game
His attack on the footy and contest shouldn't be under estimatedprobably the one thing about him that's never been questioned.
18 disposals (78% eff)
9 contested
5 marks (3 - i50)
6 tackles (4 - i50)
6 inside 50's
8 score involvements
3 goal assists
16 pressure acts
438 metres gained
1.1 goals:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
😂😂🤣😂🤗18 disposals (78% eff)
9 contested
5 marks (3 - i50)
6 tackles (4 - i50)
6 inside 50's
8 score involvements
3 goal assists
16 pressure acts
438 metres gained
1.1 goals:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
Yep had a very good game, in fact i thought last week he played good as well and deserved his spot this week.
Still not a big fan of him as a forward but consistent games like that will shut me up.
Yeah a break out game in a courageous win v the highly fancied Swans at the G ...just like Andy Collins all those years ago... :shh
Do you see him in our next flag side? I think he’s helping bridge us from bottom 4 to top 8 but not sure he fills a top 4 team list deficiency….Yep, I see him in the side, one things for sure , you won't be in it
I loved push up 😂
I loved push up 😂
Thought he should've been captain for a year or two between Newman & Cotchin - antagonistic Tony Shaw type leader with a Napolean complex who got under the oppos skins and fired everyone up....basically the same reasons I wanted Baker to be the next captain... :shh
average game today.
if we can say he played last week then we also say he played rubbish today. Did 2 or 3 good things and thats about it.
back to his old ways today
If he was average what was SHORT.. absolutely pathetic
Marlion & Jonah at least tackled, put their heads over it and even occasionally managed to kick it to their own team mates..... :shh
The fanboy has entered the chat..... :propeller
average game today.#betterthancumberland
if we can say he played last week then we also say he played rubbish today. Did 2 or 3 good things and thats about it.
back to his old ways today
Cumberland very relevant to Mansells game today
Mansell was sold enough today :shh
But still better than Short .Mansell was sold enough today :shh
Imm no...
Thought he was average at best
Wasn't our worst and certainly wasn't our problem today. Our key forwards were a Hugh issue. Uncompetitive even in trying to bring it to ground..
2 more years for Mansell :cheers :shh:clapping :clapping :clapping
Looks like we're back in flag contention
Sheesh have you blokes looked at this guy closely.Including this year where he has had all the kudos he has mostly been ordinary.
Why do supporters latch onto players who are triers and have a go but lack so much in other areas.
Fmd the list is endless.Steve Morris for starters anyone want to add to it?
Sheesh have you blokes looked at this guy closely.Including this year where he has had all the kudos he has mostly been ordinary.
Why do supporters latch onto players who are triers and have a go but lack so much in other areas.
Fmd the list is endless.Steve Morris for starters anyone want to add to it?
Putting together an all-time 22 of triers, plodders, foot soldiers & "good blokes" would be an interesting exercise... think we all know who the captain will be..... :shh
lmao - Kingy was twice the player this list clogger is.... :shhBS, king was over rated. You'll see
lmao - Kingy was twice the player this list clogger is.... :shh
Absolutely deserves the contract extension. Adem loves him and the way he plays his role. Truth is if more of our players played the game like Mansell, we would not be second last.
Absolutely deserves the contract extension. Adem loves him and the way he plays his role. Truth is if more of our players played the game like Mansell, we would not be second last.THIS!!!! SPOT ON
:lolAbsolutely deserves the contract extension. Adem loves him and the way he plays his role. Truth is if more of our players played the game like Mansell, we would not be second last.
thats right, we would be last.
Absolutely deserves the contract extension. Adem loves him and the way he plays his role. Truth is if more of our players played the game like Mansell, we would not be second last.
Absolutely deserves the contract extension. Adem loves him and the way he plays his role. Truth is if more of our players played the game like Mansell, we would not be second last.
Your taking the pee aren’t you
Absolutely deserves the contract extension. Adem loves him and the way he plays his role. Truth is if more of our players played the game like Mansell, we would not be second last.
Absolutely deserves the contract extension. Adem loves him and the way he plays his role. Truth is if more of our players played the game like Mansell, we would not be second last.
Your taking the pee aren’t you
I don’t think he is Chuck
I actually believe he thinks it
Oh how quick they forget
https://youtu.be/7qZvRgt5l10?si=5BptsL9avaGsG1Gf
Oh how quick they forget
https://youtu.be/7qZvRgt5l10?si=5BptsL9avaGsG1Gf
Oh how quick they forget
https://youtu.be/7qZvRgt5l10?si=5BptsL9avaGsG1Gf
Just a tackling and pressure machine and a lot faster than I first thought.Yep, a much better version than push up ever was. Watch this space
He is a great asset to our forward line. Starting to find the goals too. :clapping
Was great tonight and I've been one advocating to delist him.
If he can play at that level predominantly I'd be happy.
Was great tonight and I've been one advocating to delist him.
If he can play at that level predominantly I'd be happy.
Spoiler alert: He won't. :shh
Was great tonight and I've been one advocating to delist him.
If he can play at that level predominantly I'd be happy.
Spoiler alert: He won't. :shh
Spoiler alert , HE WILL
:shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
Kingy would've kicked 5, set up another 5, made at least 8 tackles, taken out Dawson and pulled down a couple of speccys ..... :shh
Kingy would've kicked 5, set up another 5, made at least 8 tackles, taken out Dawson and pulled down a couple of speccys ..... :shhDream on.... :shh :shh :shh
Seems one game does indeed make a career.
Having a fine year is Mansell. Can't fault him and he is hitting targets at will which complements his aggression. An average of a goal a game is nice as well considering we are the worst at hitting targets inside 50 in the comp. Like the lad :cheers
Having a fine year is Mansell. Can't fault him and he is hitting targets at will which complements his aggression. An average of a goal a game is nice as well considering we are the worst at hitting targets inside 50 in the comp. Like the lad :cheers👍🏿
Tenacious Richmond small forward Rhyan Mansell’s impressive improvement this season was further highlighted in yesterday’s match against Hawthorn at the MCG.Good on him
Mansell was one of the Tigers’ best in their 63-point loss with 12 disposals, three marks, two goals, three inside-50s, three intercepts, three tackles and 193 metres gained.
He applied plenty of pressure to the Hawk backs inside Richmond’s forward-50 area, in typical style, and again hit the scoreboard.
Mansell’s two goals took his season’s tally to 20 goals in 20 games, and he is second (behind Shai Bolton) on the Tigers’ goalkicking list for the year.
He also is ranked ninth across the competition for tackles inside 50.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1633788/mansell-a-yellow-and-black-bright-light
Think he showed last season that he has a bit more skill and poise than most of us thought.
"Turning down playing in front of 80-90 thousand people would be pretty hard to do. I am committed to Richmond, love Richmond and haven't really thought about going back to Tasmania since being here."The “wether” is shocking in tassie 😂
- Rhyan Mansell on weather he has any interest in going home back to Tassie.
https://x.com/DwaynesWorldSEN/status/1889159429179978069
I'd probably make an argument that O'Connell was already heading back with the flight but tbh yeah he probably needs to be rubbed out for that.
Need to stamp it out of the game.
They need to give prior notice that the pushing action is a reportable offence as well.
‘Hard to change the rules’: Yze expects Tiger to escape ban
No ban has been handed to any player who shoved their opponent into trouble this year – so, as Richmond coach Adem Yze asks, why would it change?
Adem Yze expects Rhyan Mansell to escape suspension for his push on Saint Liam O'Connell, saying “it's pretty hard to change the rules during the season”.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-mro-round-3-all-the-latest-news-as-rhyan-mansell-faces-heat-for-push-on-liam-oconnell/news-story/abc8453a3393611329296cb4d9d475b5
Copped 3 weeks.
Ofcourse we’re the 1st ones to cop a suspension over this.
Equally as bemusing that’s it’s gone from a non reportable offence in preseason all the way to a 3 week suspension 4 weeks into the season.
I don't understand the criticism.It's the inconsistency and the AFL always making ad hoc reactive decisions that ticks us off. This issue should have been dealt with when Lalor had his jaw broken but the MRP and the AFL honchos washed their hands of it which has led the game to this point. Now a Richmond player is the instigator, and they want to throw the book at him. Why didn't they act and dish out suspensions with any of the previous 3 incidents?
We were all for suspension when it happened to Lalor.
If this is the new norm that's a good thing.
Irrelevant that it happened to one of our guys first.
I don't understand the criticism.It's the inconsistency and the AFL always making ad hoc reactive decisions that ticks us off. This issue should have been dealt with when Lalor had his jaw broken but the MRP and the AFL honchos washed their hands of it which has led the game to this point. Now a Richmond player is the instigator, and they want to throw the book at him. Why didn't they act and dish out suspensions with any of the previous 3 incidents?
We were all for suspension when it happened to Lalor.
If this is the new norm that's a good thing.
Irrelevant that it happened to one of our guys first.
I don't understand the criticism.It's the inconsistency and the AFL always making ad hoc reactive decisions that ticks us off. This issue should have been dealt with when Lalor had his jaw broken but the MRP and the AFL honchos washed their hands of it which has led the game to this point. Now a Richmond player is the instigator, and they want to throw the book at him. Why didn't they act and dish out suspensions with any of the previous 3 incidents?
We were all for suspension when it happened to Lalor.
If this is the new norm that's a good thing.
Irrelevant that it happened to one of our guys first.
I don't agree.
IIRC the Lalor incident was the first this year. Following a few more incidents the AFL decided to act.
Just so happens that Mansell is the first to be booked for it.
What's the inconsistency you're alluding to? They introduced a new rule around these actions and have acted accordingly. Inconsistency will only be proven if other incidents occur and they choose not to suspend players.
We can all agree they should have acted a week or two sooner but at least they did.
Has nothing to do with our club IMHO.
Yes the Ginbey/Lalor incident was the first this year, but this has been an issue for a number of years. It's not as though the Ginbey/Lalor incident was something new. Soldo did his ACL thanks to Hawkins pushing a player into Ivan to try and stop him taking a mark. Given Ginbey's was the most blatant of all of the incidents (I would argue it was intentional) and the seriousness of Lalor's head injury, the AFL could and should have punished Ginbey to send a clear message. But no, it was nothing to see here, and they repeated the washing of hands a further two times. So, we have a situation now of the AFL's own making due to their failure to act when they should have, where Mansell is getting 3 weeks for an act that three other players in only the past month have been let off for. As I said, the issue isn't Mansell's suspension; it's the ad hoc reactiveness and inconsistency of the AFL's decision making that ticks people off.I don't understand the criticism.It's the inconsistency and the AFL always making ad hoc reactive decisions that ticks us off. This issue should have been dealt with when Lalor had his jaw broken but the MRP and the AFL honchos washed their hands of it which has led the game to this point. Now a Richmond player is the instigator, and they want to throw the book at him. Why didn't they act and dish out suspensions with any of the previous 3 incidents?
We were all for suspension when it happened to Lalor.
If this is the new norm that's a good thing.
Irrelevant that it happened to one of our guys first.
I don't agree.
IIRC the Lalor incident was the first this year. Following a few more incidents the AFL decided to act.
Just so happens that Mansell is the first to be booked for it.
What's the inconsistency you're alluding to? They introduced a new rule around these actions and have acted accordingly. Inconsistency will only be proven if other incidents occur and they choose not to suspend players.
We can all agree they should have acted a week or two sooner but at least they did.
Has nothing to do with our club IMHO.
It’s the fact they said there was no case to answer in Lalors incident, the kid got a broken jaw. The media showed a little backlash and all of a sudden the afl crack down on it. How about crack down on it when a kid gets concussion and a broken jaw ? It’s just so pee weak.
It’s better late than never but to then be the first club to cop a suspension from it is just a hard pill to swallow for obvious reasons. Btw, did they actually ‘introduce a new rule’ or did they just start interpreting things differently ? The lack of clarity is confusing. I know they publicly said something about it a few weeks ago but still, it’s all smoke and mirrors as always.
There's immense frustration at Punt Road tonight after Tiger forward Rhyan Mansell was offered a three match ban for a push. #9News @tommorris32
VIDEO: https://x.com/9NewsMelb/status/1906282152720834955
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"I think if that Ginbey one happened now, he would still get off." - Tom Morris
"No way." - Hird and Bartel.
The panel couldn't see eye-to-eye as they discussed Rhyan Mansell's 'landmark case' following his three-game ban.
#9FootyFurnace | Watch on Nine & 9Now 🖥️
VIDEO: https://x.com/FootyonNine/status/1901236301170409927
Flynn (AFL) says re Ginbey:
1. Ginbey had his eyes on the ball
2. Ginbey's push was to gain separation for a mark
3. Hard for Ginbey to be aware Lalor would make contact with a player running back with the flight of the ball.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tribunal-2025-rhyan-mansell-appeal-live-updates-blog-threegame-ban-for-pushing-liam-oconnell-suspension-result-david-zita-latest-news/news-story/5a6ebb333424b876771e60b1e1350a8e
No surprise. The AFL got what they wanted. Mansell was never going to get off.Totally agree. Never going to get off. Did not fit the agenda of the AFL. Mansell was an easy target. The reasoning regarding the Lalor incident was seriously flawed, unconvincing and filmsey.. Let us see if a player from another club gets charged for a similar incident whether the Tribunal will similarly find rough conduct
By the way, absolutely pathetic by the AFL to try to downplay Ginbey pushing Lalor into a contest which resulted in a broken jaw as well as concussion :thumbsdown.
if our club was treated the same as others then i would have no issue with this decision, but we arent.
we are an easy scapegoat due to our bottom finish. No way in hell this would be 3 weeks if it were daicos so therefore its a load of bs.
Dillon made comments today that the safety of players is paramount.... Sam Lalor's safety was clearly not paramountWhy would you comment on what a Tribunal is going to say without prior knowledge. The inference can be drawn that he was privy to the reasoning of the Tribunal prior to the evidence being heard by the Tribunal. If this was the case then natural justice has been denied.
he also said that comparisons to previous incidents and why this one is very different would be made clear at the hearing
Surely those comments were prejudicial to Mansell's case? To the cynic in me it almost made it sound like it has already been pre-determined
i now expect that any player who pushes another player to be cited and suspended. Has to be that way surely?