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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Andyy on August 29, 2024, 03:00:37 PM
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Apparently end of season/exit interviews ongoing today.
Who do we think will get cut?
Priorities for me are:
Colina
Coulthard
Dow
Cumberland (although I feel he got screwed around plenty)
With 3-4 players already leaving and some talent shown by other cubs I don't think we need to cut more than that.
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Don't really see much benefit of keeping KMac at this point but I reckon those you mentioned will be gone. Got a real bad feeling Dow may get another year
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If we follow the same path as the last couple of seasons we might be waiting a while
They usually do it after the B&F which isn't until after the GF, 1st October for memory
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Don't really see much benefit of keeping KMac at this point but I reckon those you mentioned will be gone. Got a real bad feeling Dow may get another year
I think you're right but surely at least 3/4 of those blokes are gone.
KMac will keep going. Need mature bodies. Not saying he's a good player or had a good year but I thought his performance vs GCS was solid.
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Reckon a few blokes who otherwise shouldn't will be saved due to all the trades & retirements and the fact we'll need to delist players next year and the year after that probably as well....especially with all the new draftees...think the minimum contract is three years now for first rounders at least and we could be bringing in up to half a dozen of them.... :shh
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They seem to rate Dow internally so I don’t think he’ll get the chop .
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Id like to see Cumberland given a chance to play deep forward and at the feet of our deepest tall. He’s shown he has hit the scoreboard but gets lost further up field and outside our F50. We struggle for scoring power so might get the best version of him.
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Think he got lost when they told him to guard space and play as a defensive forward instead of hitting up at the footy and playing his natural game. I still think he can play at the level but I reckon it's over for him at Tigerland. Can't think of a player having his head stuffed with as much as the poor kid
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Lost all confidence , just lost his way after the Hardwick obsession with run down defensive forwards , his game plan worked but destroyed small forwards , particularly Cumberland
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I am unsure about Coultard, he has speed and I think he may be ok, still pretty young I think?!
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Pace is all he has - he's a lazy spud.....Yassine would be an upgrade, though I'd go Garner & El Nour first for rookie spots... :shh
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What the stuff do you see in El Nour... :shh :shh
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The future.... :shh :shh :shh
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Back to the future of 1980-2016.....:shh :shh :shh :shh
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Yes - next year will be like 1980....#MutazElStrachan :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
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Martin, Grimes, Naismith, Pickett. Retired
Bolton, Rioli, Baker, Graham. Trades and F/A.
Thats 8. Gray and Blight to list proper thats 6 nd picks.
8 draft picks likely in the range of 1 thru 22. Need to cut 2.
Then we have great scope in the Rookie mid season and pre season drafts take two and mid season lti. need to cut 4
Then we have trades in the right age quality bracket at least 1 maybe 2. Makes 6 cuts.
Also we must be looking at potential state league players apparently we have two already in our vfl squad take one . makes 7.
So seven delistings who are they.
Coulthard 23yo done very little.
McIntosh 31yo way past it both age and performance.
Young 26yo limited kpd
Sonsie 22yo chronic underachiever.
Colina 25yo sheesh.we are kidding aren't we.
Cumberland 24yo another chronic underachiever
Dow 23yo never shown himself to be at the level.
Short 29yo trade him out and pay a chunk of his salary if need be. This is # 8 but imo we need to get this cancer out of the door.
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Sonsie is 21 and been at the club 3 years. Will get another year. Young is contracted
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Sonsie is 21 and been at the club 3 years. Will get another year. Young is contracted
Sonsie is also contracted
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Sonsie's also contracted so he'll definitely be here next year...(EDIT:WP beat me to it)also if we delist everyone this year who do we delist next year given we're probably going to have to hit at least the next two drafts after this pretty hard as well before Tassie comes in.... :shh
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Sonsie and Young aren't at risk yet.
I'd be keeping kmac for now.
Short open to trade.
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Sonsie is 21 and been at the club 3 years. Will get another year. Young is contracted
Sonsie is 22 in January before the start of the next season. He has shown sweet bugger all is timid afraid of contact and imo is a poor runner. If he was not pick 28 i think a lot would be calling for his head.
We have had him three seasons and for me that is enough. If he overcomes his weaknesses and manages to make it in another system so be it.
One lesson learnt mainly from the pre Hardwick years and including those years i suppose, was we hung on in hope to players rather than with certainty.
Young is certainly superfluous to needs didnt realise he was contracted but would see if anyone was prepared to take him on.
We are going to give Blight a year and we have Miller and Young. Options to play Balta and Bauer so its down to one of the first three.
Would be finding out what we could get for Miller. I fear what we have seen so far is his ceiling.
Sonsie and Young aren't at risk yet.
I'd be keeping kmac for now.
Short open to trade.
McIntosh has become the defininition of list clogger. Campbell, Trezise, HRS, Banks, Smith, Travaglia or a running type in the draft.
Playing all of them instead of McIntosh. If we play him in a running role in front of all of them then we will really be defining list clogger taking games off kids.
As much as i would like it to be done even if we paid half his wage no one will want Short. One can only hope.
We could delist trade retire as many as eight right at this point in time Next year. we are either all in on rebuild or we are not.
If we have something like eight ND picks between 1 and 22 and don't use them then we are getting it horribly wrong.
If we do not look at a player trade or two to upgrade then we are getting it wrong.
If we are not making provision for useing the #1 picks psd and rookie drafts on mature types say 21 thru 24yo then we are getting it wrong. Same for the msd.
If we dont shop players out and pay part of their salary then we will be getting it wrong.
The only way to achieve this in what has to be one of the better most even drafts of all time is to make those hard decisions on who has to go.
We have two drafts before they become compromised so yes there should be a sense of urgency.
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You've always hated the bloke!
There are developing players who need to go past him but with our retirements and trades this year it would be a foolish thing to delist KMac with his mature body. If the kids are pushing him out he should just play some VFL games next year.
We will still have plenty of spots available once we do the trades and delist some proper dead weight in Dow, Coulthard, Colina at a minimum. That's 3 spots. Add Dusty, Grimes, Pickett, Naismith, Graham, Baker, Bolton, Rioli.
11 spots total.
Sonsie and Young aren't at risk yet.
I'd be keeping kmac for now.
Short open to trade.
McIntosh has become the defininition of list clogger. Campbell, Trezise, HRS, Banks, Smith, Travaglia or a running type in the draft.
Playing all of them instead of McIntosh. If we play him in a running role in front of all of them then we will really be defining list clogger taking games off kids.
As much as i would like it to be done even if we paid half his wage no one will want Short. One can only hope.
We could delist trade retire as many as eight right at this point in time Next year. we are either all in on rebuild or we are not.
If we have something like eight ND picks between 1 and 22 and don't use them then we are getting it horribly wrong.
If we do not look at a player trade or two to upgrade then we are getting it wrong.
If we are not making provision for useing the #1 picks psd and rookie drafts on mature types say 21 thru 24yo then we are getting it wrong. Same for the msd.
If we dont shop players out and pay part of their salary then we will be getting it wrong.
The only way to achieve this in what has to be one of the better most even drafts of all time is to make those hard decisions on who has to go.
We have two drafts before they become compromised so yes there should be a sense of urgency.
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To be fair to old mopsy claws he was actually a big supporter of Sir Runs-Alot to start with and was one of the first to call for him to picked in the seniors.... :shh
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To be fair to old mopsy claws he was actually a big supporter of Sir Runs-Alot to start with and was one of the first to call for him to picked in the seniors.... :shh
REALLY i don't recall making much comment on Short until about 2018.
Oh well goes to show as i have argued i dont write players off early. Vaguely remember prefering him to Brandon Ellis and what a great comparison.
On this note im gunna have a read of the Short thread for fun.
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To be fair to old mopsy claws he was actually a big supporter of Sir Runs-Alot to start with and was one of the first to call for him to picked in the seniors.... :shh
REALLY i don't recall making much comment on Short until about 2018.
Oh well goes to show as i have argued i dont write players off early. Vaguely remember prefering him to Brandon Ellis and what a great comparison.
On this note im gunna have a read of the Short thread for fun.
Was referring to McIntosh..... :shh
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Blight, Smith & Trezise just re-signed for 1 year so it won't be them.....at least until next year.... :shh
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I heard somewhere KMac has been told we won’t decide on him until after the trade period
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I heard somewhere KMac has been told we won’t decide on him until after the trade period
You'll find he's just one, there's a couple in that bracket
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To be fair to old mopsy claws he was actually a big supporter of Sir Runs-Alot to start with and was one of the first to call for him to picked in the seniors.... :shh
REALLY i don't recall making much comment on Short until about 2018.
Oh well goes to show as i have argued i dont write players off early. Vaguely remember prefering him to Brandon Ellis and what a great comparison.
On this note im gunna have a read of the Short thread for fun.
Was referring to McIntosh..... :shh
Of course my bad.
Yep i was a fan of him as junior but as a tall running defender. We all get some wrong.
It won't go down well with him playing in premierships, but with hindsight he should have been delisted after year 4 or 5 we went close on a few occasions but somehow he survived.
Too many ordinary role players is really biting us on the arse now and we find it hard to get rid of those who played in flags despite putrid form.
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After we lose 5 this year , we won’t have too many left and most of the kids at this stage are below the level of ordinary , I suspect we will have a lot more heartache without these premiership players. Unless we have a better option they will stay on the list to at least look after the kids.
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After we lose 5 this year , we won’t have too many left and most of the kids at this stage are below the level of ordinary , I suspect we will have a lot more heartache without these premiership players. Unless we have a better option they will stay on the list to at least look after the kids.
After we lose 5 what vets? including McIntosh. we still have 5 left.
Given the 4 trades we are talking about and the retirements that have already been announced and not including any Delistings as none have been announced we have 26 players aged 23 thr 30 plus. There are plenty and far too many ordinary players left to look after the kids.
I really do not get this kind of thinking.
As it stands right atm with age the criteria our starting 22 would go
Vlastuin 30 - Young 26 - Miller 25
Broad 31 - Balta 25 - Short 29
HRS 23 - Hopper 28 - McIntosh 30
Nankervis 30 - Taranto 27 - Prestia 32
Mansell 24 - Koschitzke 24 - Cumberland 24
MRJ 23 - Lynch 32 - Lefau 26
Dow 23 - Coulthard 23 - Blight 23 - Ryan 24.
EMG OH-B 24 - Colina 25
Most of the 23 plus year olds are below the standard losing one who is 30 won't hurt our kids one little bit.
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I don’t know what you’re talking about, listing a whole lot of players who are lucky to get on the park or lucky to get a game in the twos is just taking the P!55 :lol
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lmao - good ol' claw more excited for the delistings than the draft.... :shh
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I don’t know what you’re talking about, listing a whole lot of players who are lucky to get on the park or lucky to get a game in the twos is just taking the P!55 :lol
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I thought it was self explanatry. We were talking about McIntosh and the so called need to keep him.
Your post actually makes the perfect argument for why he needs to go.
Ive just shown you the list of our older players and what an ordinary list. It doesn't matter if we cut McIntosh there is still plenty of older ordinary types there. Or do you need your special glasses on to see that. You keep kidding yourself thinking we need to keep him.
Its certainly not for his age or experience or how well he plays the game. He's only going to sell what ever kids we have into trouble and likely even take games off them when we most need to play em.
lmao - good ol' claw more excited for the delistings than the draft.... :shh
Lol at the dig. I would not go so far as saying im excited by delistings more relieved when such obvious hacks actually do get the chop.
Outside the 4 that have already gone and the other 4 that want out.
Based on improvement or not next year. I count another 21 players who should be in the gun.
They need to improve and they are all either at an age or been around long enough for that to happen. Atm they would be reasonably easy to get an upgrade on. In that 21 i'm including the likely retirements of Lynch and Prestia.
We do love our ordinary role players at tigerland. And we do defend to ridiculous levels anyone who has been drafted by us weather they perform or not.
Wasn't it you who said we cant cut too many this year because we won't have any to cut next year. Dont worry your tiny little brain about it, there will be plenty for the chopping block we may need to get a Guillotine to make the cuts clean and easy.
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Don’t you know the difference between leadership and experience :lol
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Don’t you know the difference between leadership and experience :lol
I see so all of a sudden he is marvelous on field leader ::) The laughs never stop around here.
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if you know his family story you may understand why the club thinks he is a leader, as previously said he will stay until another proves they are better.
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Next dynasty
Brown 20 - Gibcus 20 - Free Agent 3rd tall back
2026 1st round - Balta 25 - Banks 20
HRS 23 - 2024 Pick 1 - J.Clarke 20
Free Agent Ruck - Taranto 27 - 2024 Pick 3
Mansell 24 - 2024 Pick 10 Armstrong/Whitlock - Campbell 19
MRJ 23 - 2025 1st round - Lefau 26
McAullife 19, 2024 Pick 15, Banks 20, Sonsie 20, Ross, 24
Delist / Trade the rest.
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Next dynasty
Brown 20 - Gibcus 20 - Free Agent 3rd tall back
2026 1st round - Balta 25 - Banks 20
HRS 23 - 2024 Pick 1 - J.Clarke 20
Free Agent Ruck - Taranto 27 - 2024 Pick 3
Mansell 24 - 2024 Pick 10 Armstrong/Whitlock - Campbell 19
MRJ 23 - 2025 1st round - Lefau 26
McAullife 19, 2024 Pick 15, Banks 20, Sonsie 20, Ross, 24
Delist / Trade the rest.
Big chance we lose Balta to free agency, Lefau's 27next year and a stop gap...Mansell, Banks & Campbell will be playing for Tassie....Gibcus no guarantee with his injury history, HRS really ain't that good.........Clarke in the delist gun for next year and if we nail the drafts KMac2 & Ross will likely be pushed even further back in the pecking order.... :shh
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Next dynasty
Brown 20 - Gibcus 20 - Free Agent 3rd tall back
2026 1st round - Balta 25 - Banks 20
HRS 23 - 2024 Pick 1 - J.Clarke 20
Free Agent Ruck - Taranto 27 - 2024 Pick 3
Mansell 24 - 2024 Pick 10 Armstrong/Whitlock - Campbell 19
MRJ 23 - 2025 1st round - Lefau 26
McAullife 19, 2024 Pick 15, Banks 20, Sonsie 20, Ross, 24
Delist / Trade the rest.
Big chance we lose Balta to free agency, Lefau's 27next year and a stop gap...Mansell, Banks & Campbell will be playing for Tassie....Gibcus no guarantee with his injury history, HRS really ain't that good.........Clarke in the delist gun for next year and if we nail the drafts KMac2 & Ross will likely be pushed even further back in the pecking order.... :shh
FMD when does baltas contract end?
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Next dynasty
Brown 20 - Gibcus 20 - Free Agent 3rd tall back
2026 1st round - Balta 25 - Banks 20
HRS 23 - 2024 Pick 1 - J.Clarke 20
Free Agent Ruck - Taranto 27 - 2024 Pick 3
Mansell 24 - 2024 Pick 10 Armstrong/Whitlock - Campbell 19
MRJ 23 - 2025 1st round - Lefau 26
McAullife 19, 2024 Pick 15, Banks 20, Sonsie 20, Ross, 24
Delist / Trade the rest.
Big chance we lose Balta to free agency, Lefau's 27next year and a stop gap...Mansell, Banks & Campbell will be playing for Tassie....Gibcus no guarantee with his injury history, HRS really ain't that good.........Clarke in the delist gun for next year and if we nail the drafts KMac2 & Ross will likely be pushed even further back in the pecking order.... :shh
FMD when does baltas contract end?
End of next year....will get huge offers too and we could head into the draft with pick 1 & 2 and possibly a priority pick as well if we only win 1 or 2 games again... :shh
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That's great. :banghead
Then you know we are truly stuffed and yze can leave with him.
He would be our highest player likely a million. If he turns that down and leaves we are stuffed.
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Said it in another thread a month or so ago. Can defs see balta leaving through FA, doesn’t strike me as someone who would think twice if he got offered a monster deal elsewhere.
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I'm in the opposite camp regarding Balta
Very confident he will stay and wouldn't be at all surprised if an extension is announced sometime be fore mid season 2025.
Seems to be alot of jumping at shadows at the moment ;D
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I agree with WP, I can't see him going. For what? More money, we will be able to match anything with our state in the cap. For success he's already a premiership player.
If he leaves we will get decent compo. All part of the rebuild.
Clarke on delist list is madness. The rest of they leave for Tassie can be replaced. Think you'll find many Tassie boys like the idea of playing at big clubs and are keen to leave the state.
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I'm in the opposite camp regarding Balta
Very confident he will stay and wouldn't be at all surprised if an extension is announced sometime be fore mid season 2025.
Seems to be alot of jumping at shadows at the moment ;D
Don't care either way....he leaves we should get the pick after our first as compo , which will more than likely be pick 2.....which means Sharp & one of Ludowyke or Ah-Mu...or both if we get a priority pick as well....which will mean lot of new toys for either Grigg, Hodge or Big Cox.... :shh
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If we win 0 games next year the AFL still wouldn’t give us a priority. We won 3 of the last 7 premierships lol. Not that I’d complain if they did, but fat chance they’d be doing us of all clubs any favours, and nor should they in this case if we’re being impartial.
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This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc. I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one. Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.
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We don't have the benefit of an academy like Sydney does (NGA bollocks doesn't count) :shh
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Blakey
Mills
Heeney
Gulden
Plus a few more yet to establish themselves
Imagine having priority access to talent of that level whether you finish top or bottom.
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This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc. I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one. Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.
When you say middle tier you mean they have 23 24 to 28 yr olds step up and take over i assume.
Have you seen our middle tier its why we just won a spoon when the injuries kicked in.. We don't actually have an option but embrace a full on rebuild and they take time.
Sure we can target a few retreads in the right age bracket or state leaguers and f/a's but the overwhelming quality will come from the nd while we are near the bottom of the ladder.
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This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc. I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one. Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.
Entire dynasty was built on the back of 2006,2007 and 2009 drafts.
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This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc. I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one. Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.
Entire dynasty was built on the back of 2006,2007 and 2009 drafts.
100%
Grimes
Astbury
Rance
Dusty
Cotch
Jack
Dynasty.
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This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc. I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one. Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.
Entire dynasty was built on the back of 2006,2007 and 2009 drafts.
100%
Grimes
Astbury
Rance
Dusty
Cotch
Jack
Dynasty.
Don’t forget Shedda
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06 but yes him too.
Our finishes 06 onwards were
9th
Last but I think blues got a Pp and chose Kruzer? (Cotch, Rance)
9th
Second last (Dusty)
Francois copped a lot of slack from many including me but boy did he nail 3 of these drafts. 08 was rubbish, but we did end up getting Shai from old mate Tyrone, which in turn may give us the players for our next dynasty :shh
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Yep, you need a highly talented core group to build around and really the only way we can do that is via access to the top part of the draft as FJ said. We don't have the luxury of academy and father-son picks nor can we promise players a Bellarine/Surf Coast lifestyle.
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This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc. I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one. Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.
Entire dynasty was built on the back of 2006,2007 and 2009 drafts.
So if 06 is the start of rebuild and 17 is the culmination of drafting then it took 13 years. I have been for years trying to get people to acknowledge how long rebuilds actually take from bottoming out.
This time around if this year is ground zero and it should be as the middle tier not good enough and seniors age wont be here.
We don't actually have a say in what path we take its now full on rebuild or nothing.
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The rebuild isn’t complete after you win a flag, it’s once you start continuously making finals and contending. Some sides go through rebuilds and never win a flag, doesn’t mean the rebuild never finished.
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The rebuild isn’t complete after you win a flag, it’s once you start continuously making finals and contending. Some sides go through rebuilds and never win a flag, doesn’t mean the rebuild never finished.
We weren't winning anything without Nankervis, Caddy Prestia and even Graham all taken in 2016 and all obviously played in the 17 flag.
Thats a continuation of the rebuild that started in 2006. Why 2006? easy because thats as far back as we can go for players who played in the premiership.
We could take it back to 2004 where we actually bottomed out with a spoon and got a new coach..
Then proceeded to bottom out in 09 with a second last place and proceeded to get a new coach. Or was it 07 when we won just 3 games and got a wooden spoon. The thing is the better players we had came to us in this period 06 - 09 and were the core of the 17 flag.
Our 2017 premiership players were aquired from 2006 with Riewoldt and Edwards and culminated in 2016 with Prestia, Caddy, Nankervis, and Graham.
The reality is all teams are in perpetual rebuild. Determining where a team bottoms out and starts a new is the hard part to determine.
From bottom in 04 to Flag in 17 with at least two unexpected bottoms outs inbetween took a total of 13 years.
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This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc. I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one. Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.
Entire dynasty was built on the back of 2006,2007 and 2009 drafts.
So if 06 is the start of rebuild and 17 is the culmination of drafting then it took 13 years. I have been for years trying to get people to acknowledge how long rebuilds actually take from bottoming out.
This time around if this year is ground zero and it should be as the middle tier not good enough and seniors age wont be here.
We don't actually have a say in what path we take its now full on rebuild or nothing.
Difference this time is access to free agency which we didn’t/couldn’t use until 2018. This will be what the Hawks use to take that final step next year and accelerates the teams that both draft well and develop existing talent. Will we? Time will tell.
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Players in limbo according to @tommorris32:
Jason Johannisen
Alex Keath
Lachlan Gollant
Ned McHenry
Patrick Parnell
Matt Owies
Jack Carroll
Ben Paton
Jack Hayes
Denver Grainger-Barras
Ethan Phillips
Jayden Davey
Will Setterfield
Reef McInnes
Nathan Kreuger
Kamdyn McIntosh
Noah Cumberland
Quinton Narkle
Francis Evans
https://x.com/traderadio/status/1841689630049243567?t=5FDekFvau8_NjaMx8hxlaQ&s=19
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Will we finally grab Sparkle Narkle? :shh
Scumbaggers are seriously considering delisting their first decent small forward since the original run of Betts and the three amigos? :propeller
If they do we should jump on him. That's the kind of DFA I would take. :shh :shh
EDIT: Just read he'll be 28 next year, thought he was only about 24/25 - hmm not ideal but would still offer him 2 years. :shh
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I'd take Owies as a DFA.
Stop gap player.
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I'd take Owies as a DFA.
Stop gap player.
definately. 65 goals in 2 years.
I think he will get picked up in the draft anyway, if not next week.
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Nathan Krueger? Possible bung head, but has proved he can play KPF at Collingwood. Big fella, can mark & kick goals … worth a late pick?
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Nathan Krueger? Possible bung head, but has proved he can play KPF at Collingwood. Big fella, can mark & kick goals … worth a late pick?
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I think he looks like a politically incorrect word tbh
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Nathan Krueger? Possible bung head, but has proved he can play KPF at Collingwood. Big fella, can mark & kick goals … worth a late pick?
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Please let this NOT EVER HAPPEN
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Please let this NOT EVER HAPPEN
That sentence sounds like Nathan looks
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Owies can walk in. Our issue is that we are going to really struggle for a while. Drafting in forwards won't get bang for buck as the ball will be down the backline more than forward.
I'd be looking at some DFA backmen to help out, I'm unsure if Young and Miller are the answer in our rebuild. Do Lions or Swans have any key backs that aren't getting opportunities that could be an upgrade on what we have?
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Don't we have a zone somewhere up in the wimmera? Can't we draft kids from there with priority?
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A Carlton friend is happy to see him leave more of a mark lead type of forward than a natural crumber.
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Owies can walk in. Our issue is that we are going to really struggle for a while. Drafting in forwards won't get bang for buck as the ball will be down the backline more than forward.
I'd be looking at some DFA backmen to help out, I'm unsure if Young and Miller are the answer in our rebuild. Do Lions or Swans have any key backs that aren't getting opportunities that could be an upgrade on what we have?
What about Balta and Gibcus aren't they the answer and already here. Im pretty sure Miller and Young are not the answer long term but are adequate cover in the short term if injury hits.
Draft a quality kpd in the ND.
We are in dire need of quality key forwards. We have not replaced Riewoldt and Lynch is 32. Kossie, Gray, and Lefau like Miller and Young down back are not high quality replacements and are certainly not at the talent level of JR or TL.
The midfield scenario is also dire especially with the lack in both numbers and mids with pace footskills and size.
Taranto is never going to win a stawell gift, Hopper is the same, Prestia no longer has pace, Ross is slow, Graham is slow, Dow is slow Sonsie is slow, McAuliffe has okay pace.
Have a look at that lot that is our list of mids.
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Owies can walk in. Our issue is that we are going to really struggle for a while. Drafting in forwards won't get bang for buck as the ball will be down the backline more than forward.
I'd be looking at some DFA backmen to help out, I'm unsure if Young and Miller are the answer in our rebuild. Do Lions or Swans have any key backs that aren't getting opportunities that could be an upgrade on what we have?
What about Balta and Gibcus aren't they the answer and already here. Im pretty sure Miller and Young are not the answer long term but are adequate cover in the short term if injury hits.
Draft a quality kpd in the ND.
We are in dire need of quality key forwards. We have not replaced Riewoldt and Lynch is 32. Kossie, Gray, and Lefau like Miller and Young down back are not high quality replacements and are certainly not at the talent level of JR or TL.
The midfield scenario is also dire especially with the lack in both numbers and mids with pace footskills and size.
Taranto is never going to win a stawell gift, Hopper is the same, Prestia no longer has pace, Ross is slow, Graham is slow, Dow is slow Sonsie is slow, McAuliffe has okay pace.
Have a look at that lot that is our list of mids.
Speed is good Butler was quick, I think Coutard is quick…??
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Owies can walk in. Our issue is that we are going to really struggle for a while. Drafting in forwards won't get bang for buck as the ball will be down the backline more than forward.
I'd be looking at some DFA backmen to help out, I'm unsure if Young and Miller are the answer in our rebuild. Do Lions or Swans have any key backs that aren't getting opportunities that could be an upgrade on what we have?
What about Balta and Gibcus aren't they the answer and already here. Im pretty sure Miller and Young are not the answer long term but are adequate cover in the short term if injury hits.
Draft a quality kpd in the ND.
We are in dire need of quality key forwards. We have not replaced Riewoldt and Lynch is 32. Kossie, Gray, and Lefau like Miller and Young down back are not high quality replacements and are certainly not at the talent level of JR or TL.
The midfield scenario is also dire especially with the lack in both numbers and mids with pace footskills and size.
Taranto is never going to win a stawell gift, Hopper is the same, Prestia no longer has pace, Ross is slow, Graham is slow, Dow is slow Sonsie is slow, McAuliffe has okay pace.
Have a look at that lot that is our list of mids.
Speed is good Butler was quick, I think Coutard is quick…??
Yes but he doesn't get near it- Yassine is just as quick if not quicker, also tougher and would be an upgrade. :shh
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I'd take Owies as a DFA.
Stop gap player.
definately. 65 goals in 2 years.
I think he will get picked up in the draft anyway, if not next week.
Not for what he's apparently asking...
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2024-matt-owies-huge-salary-demand-amid-carlton-contract-mystery-pick-to-get-tom-barrass-trade-to-hawthorn-done-west-coast-liam-baker-trade/news-story/0be7cfce914a7fdeffe10e31d455e7f3
#tickets :shh
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Owies can walk in. Our issue is that we are going to really struggle for a while. Drafting in forwards won't get bang for buck as the ball will be down the backline more than forward.
I'd be looking at some DFA backmen to help out, I'm unsure if Young and Miller are the answer in our rebuild. Do Lions or Swans have any key backs that aren't getting opportunities that could be an upgrade on what we have?
What about Balta and Gibcus aren't they the answer and already here. Im pretty sure Miller and Young are not the answer long term but are adequate cover in the short term if injury hits.
Draft a quality kpd in the ND.
We are in dire need of quality key forwards. We have not replaced Riewoldt and Lynch is 32. Kossie, Gray, and Lefau like Miller and Young down back are not high quality replacements and are certainly not at the talent level of JR or TL.
The midfield scenario is also dire especially with the lack in both numbers and mids with pace footskills and size.
Taranto is never going to win a stawell gift, Hopper is the same, Prestia no longer has pace, Ross is slow, Graham is slow, Dow is slow Sonsie is slow, McAuliffe has okay pace.
Have a look at that lot that is our list of mids.
Speed is good Butler was quick, I think Coutard is quick…??
I think Coulthard will be delisted. He just is not where the ball is. He turns 24 next year and just has not done enough for his size and type.
Some have to go especially if we use 8 nd picks our rookie psd and msd picks along with maybe a trade or state league player.
Kids in the nd and some older types in these areas.
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Coulthard has been underwhelming and will be surely delisted.
Dow probably won't (fml).
Cumberland probably although I wouldn't - I would just keep him and play him forward and tell him to do whatever TF he wants to kick goals.
Colina should be, but didn't someone here say he's going again in 2025? lmao wtf
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Colina being a category b rookie means he can't play AFL unless someone goes on the LTIL and for memory is wage isn't included in the salary cap
Si it's not like he going to get a game ahead of say a Liam Fawcett
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Grockadoc on BF reckons Kmac has been told by the Club that he'll have to wait until we know how many picks we'll be using before he finds out whether he gets another contract or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEavcSNQKu8
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Would rather keep kmac vs guys like Coulthard and Dow
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Would rather keep kmac vs guys like Coulthard and Dow
I agree but Dow really had plenty of opportunity last year, should we keep him??
Coultard was MSD 2 years ago, got a few goes in 2023, no opportunity last year, unsure but I think keep him over Dow…
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Would rather keep kmac vs guys like Coulthard and Dow
I agree but Dow really had plenty of opportunity last year, should we keep him??
Coultard was MSD 2 years ago, got a few goes in 2023, no opportunity last year, unsure but I think keep him over Dow…
I'm cutting both at a minimum.
Colina only survives because he's CatB but I'd rather delist him too.
Cumberland I'm 50-50, happy if they keep him 1 year but just play him as a forward doing whatever the F he wants to. No defensive role focus.
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Id delist them all.
Pick up some other kids in the draft. Better chance we find a Nick Larkey type kid at 73 or Mitch Lewis at 76 then hope that any of those mentioned above will come good for us to contend in 4-5 years.
Kmac may be kept depending on how shot our list is next year and may need some mature bodies to give some of the kids a chop out.
Dow is young but I just don't see him being good enough and I'd prefer to give this year's draft crop and McAullife and Sonsie his minutes to develop in the middle.
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Id delist them all.
Pick up some other kids in the draft. Better chance we find a Nick Larkey type kid at 73 or Mitch Lewis at 76 then hope that any of those mentioned above will come good for us to contend in 4-5 years.
Kmac may be kept depending on how shot our list is next year and may need some mature bodies to give some of the kids a chop out.
Dow is young but I just don't see him being good enough and I'd prefer to give this year's draft crop and McAullife and Sonsie his minutes to develop in the middle.
Think we already have quite a few spots?
3 retirees, Graham, impending Baker/Bolton/Rioli.
That's 7 spots already.
Agree re: drafting deep though. Just gotta take a chance.
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Need blokes to delist next year as well besides rookies and we can't delist the new kids for at least 3 years for the early picks & 2 years for the later ones I think...and most of new kids will be early picks....rules state clubs need to make a minimum of three list changes & take 3 picks in the main draft every year and I'd say we'll be bringing more than just three new players next off season given it'll only be the second year of a rebuild... :shh
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Need blokes to delist next year as well besides rookies and we can't delist the new kids for at least 3 years for the early picks & 2 years for the later ones I think...and most of new kids will be early picks....rules state clubs need to make a minimum of three list changes & take 3 picks in the main draft every year and I'd say we'll be bringing more than just three new players next off season given it'll only be the second year of a rebuild... :shh
Blokes on the block for 2025 IMO:
KMac
Sonsie
Bauer
Banks
Clarke
MRJ
Trezise
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Grockadoc on BF reckons Kmac has been told by the Club that he'll have to wait until we know how many picks we'll be using before he finds out whether he gets another contract or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEavcSNQKu8
Nothing new here :huh3
This was reported in the mainstream media before the GF
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Need blokes to delist next year as well besides rookies and we can't delist the new kids for at least 3 years for the early picks & 2 years for the later ones I think...and most of new kids will be early picks....rules state clubs need to make a minimum of three list changes & take 3 picks in the main draft every year and I'd say we'll be bringing more than just three new players next off season given it'll only be the second year of a rebuild... :shh
Blokes on the block for 2025 IMO:
KMac
Sonsie
Bauer
Banks
Clarke
MRJ
Trezise
Sonsie and Dow (if he isn’t this year) will be gone at the end of next. Sonsie wasn’t given the midfield minutes this year, how’s he going to get it next year with TT, Prestia and Hopper still playing and 2-3 top picked midfielders in this years draft.
It’s a shame too as I really think there’s a player there or atleast want to see what he’s got when played in his actual position.
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Id delist them all.
Pick up some other kids in the draft. Better chance we find a Nick Larkey type kid at 73 or Mitch Lewis at 76 then hope that any of those mentioned above will come good for us to contend in 4-5 years.
Kmac may be kept depending on how shot our list is next year and may need some mature bodies to give some of the kids a chop out.
Dow is young but I just don't see him being good enough and I'd prefer to give this year's draft crop and McAullife and Sonsie his minutes to develop in the middle.
Think we already have quite a few spots?
3 retirees, Graham, impending Baker/Bolton/Rioli.
That's 7 spots already.
Agree re: drafting deep though. Just gotta take a chance.
Nope not right Blight and Gray take up two spots.
4 retirees - Pickett, Naismith, Grimes, Martin.
Trades - Graham, Rioli, Bolton, Baker.
Thats six spots open with the following to happen.
We utilise the rookie and psd with pick one in our hands could take a couple of mature upgrades on the likes of Dow and co.. Maybe take a state league mature body plus our 8 nd picks
That to me is at least 4 or 5 delistings.
I think we were crazy not to keep a few late nd picks which would mean even more delistings.
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Id delist them all.
Pick up some other kids in the draft. Better chance we find a Nick Larkey type kid at 73 or Mitch Lewis at 76 then hope that any of those mentioned above will come good for us to contend in 4-5 years.
Kmac may be kept depending on how shot our list is next year and may need some mature bodies to give some of the kids a chop out.
Dow is young but I just don't see him being good enough and I'd prefer to give this year's draft crop and McAullife and Sonsie his minutes to develop in the middle.
Think we already have quite a few spots?
3 retirees, Graham, impending Baker/Bolton/Rioli.
That's 7 spots already.
Agree re: drafting deep though. Just gotta take a chance.
Nope not right Blight and Gray take up two spots.
4 retirees - Pickett, Naismith, Grimes, Martin.
Trades - Graham, Rioli, Bolton, Baker.
Thats six spots open with the following to happen.
We utilise the rookie and psd with pick one in our hands could take a couple of mature upgrades on the likes of Dow and co.. Maybe take a state league mature body plus our 8 nd picks
That to me is at least 4 or 5 delistings.
I think we were crazy not to keep a few late nd picks which would mean even more delistings.
Rookies are in addition to the main list aren't they? So Blight + Gray + P1 Rookie draft don't count from out 38 listed players?
We just cleared 8 spots on the primary list. 8 draft picks.
Plus I would get rid of Dow + Cumberland.
I mean couldn't we even just offer KMac a rookie contract?
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Aren't rookies on the primary list these days? Only that Cat B poo is separate I believe
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Aren't rookies on the primary list these days? Only that Cat B poo is separate I believe
No they're not but they (cat A) can be selected for AFL games without being promoted
Cat B cannot be selected unless promoted due to someone going on the LTIL
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Roger. Suppose you could rookie list KMac then but don't see much point, not sure he'd see much point going around on that salary either. Would surely be better off moving to the next phase of life.
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Id delist them all.
Pick up some other kids in the draft. Better chance we find a Nick Larkey type kid at 73 or Mitch Lewis at 76 then hope that any of those mentioned above will come good for us to contend in 4-5 years.
Kmac may be kept depending on how shot our list is next year and may need some mature bodies to give some of the kids a chop out.
Dow is young but I just don't see him being good enough and I'd prefer to give this year's draft crop and McAullife and Sonsie his minutes to develop in the middle.
Think we already have quite a few spots?
3 retirees, Graham, impending Baker/Bolton/Rioli.
That's 7 spots already.
Agree re: drafting deep though. Just gotta take a chance.
Nope not right Blight and Gray take up two spots.
4 retirees - Pickett, Naismith, Grimes, Martin.
Trades - Graham, Rioli, Bolton, Baker.
Thats six spots open with the following to happen.
We utilise the rookie and psd with pick one in our hands could take a couple of mature upgrades on the likes of Dow and co.. Maybe take a state league mature body plus our 8 nd picks
That to me is at least 4 or 5 delistings.
I think we were crazy not to keep a few late nd picks which would mean even more delistings.
Rookies are in addition to the main list aren't they? So Blight + Gray + P1 Rookie draft don't count from out 38 listed players?
We just cleared 8 spots on the primary list. 8 draft picks.
Plus I would get rid of Dow + Cumberland.
I mean couldn't we even just offer KMac a rookie contract?
They dont count towards your primary list spots but they do towards your total list spots. Right now we have 28 primary listed players (this still includes the guys out of contract this season) out of the required 36-38 spots. So at a minimum we need to add 8 to the list and a maximum of 10.
However, the total combined list (primary + rookie), has to comprise a maximum of 44 players. We currently have 10 rookies (this still includes the guys out of contract this season). So if we were to draft players with all 8 of our picks (I don’t think we will), we would have a total primary list size of 36 (that’s the bare minimum) and a total list size of 48, which is 2 more then what is allowed. We would then have to cut 2 from the rookie list + however many players we want to take in the preseason draft and SSP period.
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Id delist them all.
Pick up some other kids in the draft. Better chance we find a Nick Larkey type kid at 73 or Mitch Lewis at 76 then hope that any of those mentioned above will come good for us to contend in 4-5 years.
Kmac may be kept depending on how shot our list is next year and may need some mature bodies to give some of the kids a chop out.
Dow is young but I just don't see him being good enough and I'd prefer to give this year's draft crop and McAullife and Sonsie his minutes to develop in the middle.
Think we already have quite a few spots?
3 retirees, Graham, impending Baker/Bolton/Rioli.
That's 7 spots already.
Agree re: drafting deep though. Just gotta take a chance.
Nope not right Blight and Gray take up two spots.
4 retirees - Pickett, Naismith, Grimes, Martin.
Trades - Graham, Rioli, Bolton, Baker.
Thats six spots open with the following to happen.
We utilise the rookie and psd with pick one in our hands could take a couple of mature upgrades on the likes of Dow and co.. Maybe take a state league mature body plus our 8 nd picks
That to me is at least 4 or 5 delistings.
I think we were crazy not to keep a few late nd picks which would mean even more delistings.
Rookies are in addition to the main list aren't they? So Blight + Gray + P1 Rookie draft don't count from out 38 listed players?
We just cleared 8 spots on the primary list. 8 draft picks.
Plus I would get rid of Dow + Cumberland.
I mean couldn't we even just offer KMac a rookie contract?
They dont count towards your primary list spots but they do towards your total list spots. Right now we have 28 primary listed players (this still includes the guys out of contract this season) out of the required 36-38 spots. So at a minimum we need to add 8 to the list and a maximum of 10.
However, the total combined list (primary + rookie), has to comprise a maximum of 44 players. We currently have 10 rookies (this still includes the guys out of contract this season). So if we were to draft players with all 8 of our picks (I don’t think we will), we would have a total primary list size of 36 (that’s the bare minimum) and a total list size of 48, which is 2 more then what is allowed. We would then have to cut 2 from the rookie list + however many players we want to take in the preseason draft and SSP period.
Cheers man.
Time to cut a few then IMO
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I think if anything our rookie list is the one that needs to be looked at. Having 10 on there is massive. I suspect Coulthard and Colina to be cut from the rookie list and some others to be upgraded such as Young, Bauer, Lefau, Campbell. That’s if they haven’t already been upgraded, I was just going by what the contracts page on this forum had listed and admittedly that doesn’t look to have been updated in yonks.
I don’t know if we actually have scope to cut anyone else from the primary list. It of course depends on if any rookies get elevated but atm we need to add a minimum of 8 players to the primary list and that’s still counting kmac, Cumberland and Dow on there.
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Sparkle Narkle just delisted by Port...... :shh
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Id delist them all.
Pick up some other kids in the draft. Better chance we find a Nick Larkey type kid at 73 or Mitch Lewis at 76 then hope that any of those mentioned above will come good for us to contend in 4-5 years.
Kmac may be kept depending on how shot our list is next year and may need some mature bodies to give some of the kids a chop out.
Dow is young but I just don't see him being good enough and I'd prefer to give this year's draft crop and McAullife and Sonsie his minutes to develop in the middle.
Remember when Hardwick delisted them all and took 14 picks. How many of them lasted 3 years. Not many.
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Id delist them all.
Pick up some other kids in the draft. Better chance we find a Nick Larkey type kid at 73 or Mitch Lewis at 76 then hope that any of those mentioned above will come good for us to contend in 4-5 years.
Kmac may be kept depending on how shot our list is next year and may need some mature bodies to give some of the kids a chop out.
Dow is young but I just don't see him being good enough and I'd prefer to give this year's draft crop and McAullife and Sonsie his minutes to develop in the middle.
Remember when Hardwick delisted them all and took 14 picks. How many of them lasted 3 years. Not many.
What was our draft hand that year? :shh
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Id delist them all.
Pick up some other kids in the draft. Better chance we find a Nick Larkey type kid at 73 or Mitch Lewis at 76 then hope that any of those mentioned above will come good for us to contend in 4-5 years.
Kmac may be kept depending on how shot our list is next year and may need some mature bodies to give some of the kids a chop out.
Dow is young but I just don't see him being good enough and I'd prefer to give this year's draft crop and McAullife and Sonsie his minutes to develop in the middle.
Remember when Hardwick delisted them all and took 14 picks. How many of them lasted 3 years. Not many.
What was our draft hand that year? :shh
was it the 09 draft Dio? If so dusty, grimes, astbury amongst those inclusions
bingo!
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16 new players. I don't remember most of the rookie draftees haha
ND - 2 wins out of 9
Dusty
Griffiths
Astbury
Dea
Taylor
Webberly
Nason
Nahas (rookie promotion)
Browne (rookie promotion)
PSD 1 win from 1
Grimes
Rookie Draft 0.5 wins maybe from 6 (Polak?)
Hicks
Contin
Roberts
Westhoff
Polak
O'Reilly
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16 new players. I don't remember most of the rookie draftees haha
ND - 2 wins out of 9
Dusty
Griffiths
Astbury
Dea
Taylor
Webberly
Nason
Nahas (rookie promotion)
Browne (rookie promotion)
PSD 1 win from 1
Grimes
Rookie Draft 0.5 wins maybe from 6 (Polak?)
Hicks
Contin
Roberts
Westhoff
Polak
O'Reilly
what kind of draft was it and what picks were all of those names you listed in the top?
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16 new players. I don't remember most of the rookie draftees haha
ND - 2 wins out of 9
Dusty
Griffiths
Astbury
Dea
Taylor
Webberly
Nason
Nahas (rookie promotion)
Browne (rookie promotion)
PSD 1 win from 1
Grimes
Rookie Draft 0.5 wins maybe from 6 (Polak?)
Hicks
Contin
Roberts
Westhoff
Polak
O'Reilly
what kind of draft was it and what picks were all of those names you listed in the top?
ND = National Draft
3 Dusty
19 Griffiths
35 Astbury
44 Dea
51 Taylor
67 Webberly
71 Nason
89 Nahas (rookie promotion)
94 Browne (rookie promotion)
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Id delist them all.
Pick up some other kids in the draft. Better chance we find a Nick Larkey type kid at 73 or Mitch Lewis at 76 then hope that any of those mentioned above will come good for us to contend in 4-5 years.
Kmac may be kept depending on how shot our list is next year and may need some mature bodies to give some of the kids a chop out.
Dow is young but I just don't see him being good enough and I'd prefer to give this year's draft crop and McAullife and Sonsie his minutes to develop in the middle.
Remember when Hardwick delisted them all and took 14 picks. How many of them lasted 3 years. Not many.
What was our draft hand that year? :shh
was it the 09 draft Dio? If so dusty, grimes, astbury amongst those inclusions
bingo!
Remenber Rat off a sinking ship only arrived just before the draft in 09. Grimes was the 2010 psd. You would think most of the work was already done in 09 and Hardwick had limited say in that draft.
We had 7 picks that draft and if not for the dusty pick it would have been deemed a massive failure.
We gavs Benny Cousins a go thru the psd and traded Schulz for Mitch Farmer lol.
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Dusty or not, it's a fail IMO.
16 inclusions and only 3 good careers.
Some of those late picks we were literally throwing darts at the board, blindfolded and drunk.
Hindsight always being funny:
3 - Dusty
19 - Nathan Fyfe
35 - Astbury
44 - Ben Stratton
51 - Taylor Duryea
67 - Matt Maguire
PSD
2 - Grimes
Rookie
7 - Michael Barlow
23 - Stuart Crameri
38 - James Podsiadly
51 - Zach Tuohy
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We have plenty of picks this year. Just need to make them count.
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Troy Taylor was the original Sydney Stack.... :shh
Pat Contin was stiff...cleanest player on our list when-much like now- we weren't exactly brimming with clean players... :shh
O'Reilly looked promising , had those superior Gaelic footskills- but got homesick... :shh
Relton could play too, but he just preferred to eat.... :shh
Westhoff had a build that made Dow look like Dew(yeah fancy a Westhoff being a twig) ....was also a flog who hated Richmond and was embarrassed to play for us.... :shh
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Id delist them all.
Pick up some other kids in the draft. Better chance we find a Nick Larkey type kid at 73 or Mitch Lewis at 76 then hope that any of those mentioned above will come good for us to contend in 4-5 years.
Kmac may be kept depending on how shot our list is next year and may need some mature bodies to give some of the kids a chop out.
Dow is young but I just don't see him being good enough and I'd prefer to give this year's draft crop and McAullife and Sonsie his minutes to develop in the middle.
Think we already have quite a few spots?
3 retirees, Graham, impending Baker/Bolton/Rioli.
That's 7 spots already.
Agree re: drafting deep though. Just gotta take a chance.
Nope not right Blight and Gray take up two spots.
4 retirees - Pickett, Naismith, Grimes, Martin.
Trades - Graham, Rioli, Bolton, Baker.
Thats six spots open with the following to happen.
We utilise the rookie and psd with pick one in our hands could take a couple of mature upgrades on the likes of Dow and co.. Maybe take a state league mature body plus our 8 nd picks
That to me is at least 4 or 5 delistings.
I think we were crazy not to keep a few late nd picks which would mean even more delistings.
Rookies are in addition to the main list aren't they? So Blight + Gray + P1 Rookie draft don't count from out 38 listed players?
We just cleared 8 spots on the primary list. 8 draft picks.
Plus I would get rid of Dow + Cumberland.
I mean couldn't we even just offer KMac a rookie contract?
They dont count towards your primary list spots but they do towards your total list spots. Right now we have 28 primary listed players (this still includes the guys out of contract this season) out of the required 36-38 spots. So at a minimum we need to add 8 to the list and a maximum of 10.
However, the total combined list (primary + rookie), has to comprise a maximum of 44 players. We currently have 10 rookies (this still includes the guys out of contract this season). So if we were to draft players with all 8 of our picks (I don’t think we will), we would have a total primary list size of 36 (that’s the bare minimum) and a total list size of 48, which is 2 more then what is allowed. We would then have to cut 2 from the rookie list + however many players we want to take in the preseason draft and SSP period.
Cheers man.
Time to cut a few then IMO
id be right peeed off if we dont use 8 nd picks this year. Only way id be okay with less is if we trade into pick 2 which currently i am against. Im filthy we dont have pick 14. Im also bemused we did not manage to at the very least keep a few later nd picks.
How hard would it be to target a potential upgrade on say Dow and Coulthard or even Fumbles with our rookie pick and psd pick.
We are no longer in charity mode its full on rebuild.
Have been saying for ages we should have been aiming to keep a few later picks as well.
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Surely we'll announce delistings soon so some of these muppets can look for lifelines?
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Should be any day now.
I’d be surprised if we use all 8, in thinking more like 5-6 with the other 2-3 used to get earlier picks in this draft or trade into next years draft.
Remember as it stands next year we only have 3 picks (1st, 2nd and 4th rounders) and barring Taranto or Balta (fresh off a 7 year deal) deciding they want out, I can’t see anyone left on our list who would net us anywhere near the picks we got by our trades this year.
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Trade a few for future picks. normally a sound idea.
For instance What is pick 23 and 24 worth next year. The consensus is any other year those picks would be worth 15 thru 19 or there abouts are we going to get that for them with future picks.. I dont think so.
It really is worth our while using those picks this year. It was worth our while having even more.
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Tigers duo remain in limbo
Lachlan Geleit
SEN
22 Oct 2024
The other two players who may still play on in 2025 are Richmond duo Kamdyn McIntosh and Noah Cumberland.
While Richmond have lost Liam Baker, Shai Bolton and Daniel Rioli to trade, Jack Graham to free agency and Dylan Grimes, Dustin Martin, Sam Naismith and Marlion Pickett to retirement, they’re yet to announce any delistings.
As a result, Morris is intrigued where the future lies for McIntosh, who is a dual premiership player, and Cumberland, who has kicked 33 AFL goals from 25 career games.
“Kamdyn McIntosh is another one, he is a dual premiership player for Richmond and a free agent, he’s just in limbo at the moment,” Morris said.
“The Tigers haven’t made any delistings so far, so Noah Cumberland is another player who is in limbo.
“But Kamdyn McIntosh is the one I’ve got an eye on because he’s a free agent and dual premiership player.
“It’s just interesting to see what the Tigers are going to do with their listen given how many draft picks they have.”
McIntosh appeared in 22 senior games in 2024 while Cumberland played 7 AFL games last campaign.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/10/22/demons-to-delist-utility-before-deadline-as-tigers-duo-remain-in-limbo/
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Tom Morris added on 9news last night that Kmac will be limbo for "at least another day or two".
https://x.com/9NewsMelb/status/1848639702858932604
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coulthard and Cumberland gone
Colina survives :lol :lol :lol
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Inb4 Machine gloating... :shh
Dow lucky though didn't think he'd be delisted this year, almost certainly gone next year barring some miraculous transformation......reckon KMac only survived because Pickett retired.... hopefully just depth now....... :shh :shh
Colina probably part of Balta's contract.... :shh :shh :shh
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Of course that's all assuming these are the only delistings....still another 8 days until the final pre-draft list lodgements.... :shh
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I’m not sure what they see in this bloke, just can’t get ion the Park,
Cumberland’s development was poor imo and is worrying if we haven't improved in the development area.
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Inb4 Machine gloating... :shh
Dow lucky though didn't think he'd be delisted this year, almost certainly gone next year barring some miraculous transformation......reckon KMac only survived because Pickett retired.... hopefully just depth now....... :shh :shh
Colina probably part of Balta's contract.... :shh :shh :shh
Is Colina’s salary counted in the cap? Is he even on primary list???
I can’t see the downside on having him for another year. Even if he wallows for another year he’s one of the last 3 on the list right now and if he ever get’s his body right then we can see if any good.
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I hear you , but there are others out there like the Irish boys that might have a better chance of making the grade.
He is one of ours for the next year , so I will just get behind him, he is one of ours until he isn’t.
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It’s not a financial thing as he would be on the cheapest coin allowable given he’s a Cat B rookie.
But he does take up a spot on our total list size.
Just don’t see the point of retaining him any longer. He’s 25 years old, has barely played at VFL level or at any level for that matter and clearly has some pretty serious ongoing back issues. Even if he can overcome the injuries, how long until he actually learns to play the game comfortably - 2-3 years at best and that’s being very generous. So then your left with a late 20s even 30 year old trying to make a career as an AFL footballer.
Just seems like a massive waste of both Mate’s and the clubs time.
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Richmond List Update
By Richmond Media
5 hrs ago
Richmond Football Club has informed players Noah Cumberland and Matthew Coulthard that they will not be offered contracts for the 2025 AFL season.
Cumberland played 25 senior games across five years after being selected with pick No. 43 overall at the 2019 AFL Draft from the Brisbane Lions Academy.
The 23-year-old forward booted 33 goals at AFL level, including 19 from nine matches as Richmond made the finals in 2022.
Cumberland, who missed his entire debut season due to an ACL injury and did not play a game in his second year either, featured seven times in 2024.
He played nine games in each of the 2022 and 2023 seasons.
Coulthard, also 23, played six games for Richmond after being selected with Richmond’s first pick, No. 4 overall, in last year’s Mid-Season Rookie Draft.
The South Australian broke through for four senior games after being brought to the Club at the end of 2023 but managed just two games, one as the substitute, this year.
Richmond General Manager, Football Talent- Blair Hartley thanked the pair for their time at the Club.
“Both Noah and Matthew moved interstate to join Richmond and put their best foot forward during their time at the Club,” he said.
“We thank Noah for his hard work and efforts across the past five years with us, and Matthew for his contribution across the last 18 months.
“We wish them well for their future endeavours.”
Richmond has also advised Category B Rookie Mate Colina of the intention to re-list him following next month’s Telstra AFL Draft and Rookie Draft.
The 7-foot Colina, who was initially listed at Richmond while still competing in College Basketball in Hawaii, arrived at the Club full-time in 2022 and featured at VFL level as a ruck/forward that year.
The 25-year-old has had a wretched run with back injuries in the past two seasons and has been unable to play a game.
Colina impressed across the most recent pre-season before he succumbed to injury just before Round 1.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1682838/richmond-list-update
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Right decisions.
Cumberland had a heap of chances. A big kit bag but just didn't use them consistently and at the right time. Wish him all the best.
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I am disappointed that Cumberland did not make it at the club. He was talented. He was played out of position at times but totally accept that he was inconsistent.
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It felt like Cumbo had to really gee himself up to play at the energy required to impact at AFL level. However, I think he was really poorly managed which probably contributed to the self doubt that also contributed to him not realising on field potential
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It felt like Cumbo had to really gee himself up to play at the energy required to impact at AFL level. However, I think he was really poorly managed which probably contributed to the self doubt that also contributed to him not realising on field potential
Agree with this
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I also agree.
Had the goal-kicking instinct coached out of him.
Made to play a Castagna role.
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I was really excited about Cumberland when he had that electric finish to 2022 .
But geez- he’s done nothing since , despite endless chances .
2025 would have been meant more frustration
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In trying to Castangna-ise him, Halfstep coached the footy out of Cumbo along with all the pee & vinegar that made him a weapon in the first place......... :shh
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I'm surprised a little given we had already lost 8 and have 8 Nd picks, maybe they want the spots for two senior fill in bodies? Another ruck or a big bodied mid as filler. Maybe they see someone in the vfl they want to promote. But they aren't forced to do this so I would suspect they have someone in mind
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7 ND picks I think it will be leaving 3 spots
PSD
Rookie
Mid season.
Someone can confirm this as I'm not 100%.
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I think definitely would make sense to keep a spot free for the December draft. Rookie’s won’t go onto primary list and mid season is also a possibility but thought that was used to fill a lti
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7 ND picks I think it will be leaving 3 spots
PSD
Rookie
Mid season.
Someone can confirm this as I'm not 100%.
We have 8 list spots available provided KMac and Dow are retained. Given that only Cumberland and Coulthard have been cut that seems reasonable for now.,
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7 ND picks I think it will be leaving 3 spots
PSD
Rookie
Mid season.
Someone can confirm this as I'm not 100%.
We have 8 list spots available provided KMac and Dow are retained. Given that only Cumberland and Coulthard have been cut that seems reasonable for now.,
27 left on our primary list, meaning we need to add a minimum of 9 and a maximum of 11.
9 on our rookie list which has no upper or lower cap but the total list size (primary + rookie) can only get to 44 so some of these guys would have to be elevated to the primary list if they haven’t already.
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We have 8 list spots available provided KMac and Dow are retained. Given that only Cumberland and Coulthard have been cut that seems reasonable for now.,
Both Kmac & Dow signed 1 year contract extensions
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We have 8 list spots available provided KMac and Dow are retained. Given that only Cumberland and Coulthard have been cut that seems reasonable for now.,
Both Kmac & Dow signed 1 year contract extensions
Sad.... :(
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We have 8 list spots available provided KMac and Dow are retained. Given that only Cumberland and Coulthard have been cut that seems reasonable for now.,
Both Kmac & Dow signed 1 year contract extensions
Sad.... :(
'Although I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you'
Homer Simpson
Wise words
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We have 8 list spots available provided KMac and Dow are retained. Given that only Cumberland and Coulthard have been cut that seems reasonable for now.,
Both Kmac & Dow signed 1 year contract extensions
Sad.... :(
'Although I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you'
Homer Simpson
Wise words
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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We have 8 list spots available provided KMac and Dow are retained. Given that only Cumberland and Coulthard have been cut that seems reasonable for now.,
Both Kmac & Dow signed 1 year contract extensions
Sad.... :(
'Although I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you'
Homer Simpson
Wise words
https://youtu.be/kl_dIxnUiqY?si=IiNUyLGRld_kKWGu
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We have 8 list spots available provided KMac and Dow are retained. Given that only Cumberland and Coulthard have been cut that seems reasonable for now.,
Both Kmac & Dow signed 1 year contract extensions
Sad.... :(
'Although I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you'
Homer Simpson
Wise words
Lmao
Yep
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We have 8 list spots available provided KMac and Dow are retained. Given that only Cumberland and Coulthard have been cut that seems reasonable for now.,
Both Kmac & Dow signed 1 year contract extensions
The quality of that post is only exceeded by the quality of the script in that episode
Sad.... :(
'Although I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you'
Homer Simpson
Wise words
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We have 8 list spots available provided KMac and Dow are retained. Given that only Cumberland and Coulthard have been cut that seems reasonable for now.,
Both Kmac & Dow signed 1 year contract extensions
Sad.... :(
'Although I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you'
Homer Simpson
Wise words
Not quite right. We have not cut a lot in fact very few just two.
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Who would you have cut clawski?
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Who would you have cut clawski?
Everyone except Dusty!!! Oh wait :bow :rollin