Delistings?

[Diocletian]

I'm in the opposite camp regarding Balta

Very confident he will stay and wouldn't be at all surprised if an extension is announced sometime be fore mid season 2025.

Seems to be alot of jumping at shadows at the moment 

Don't care either way....he leaves we should get the pick after our first as compo , which will more than likely be pick 2.....which means Sharp & one of Ludowyke or Ah-Mu...or both if we get a priority pick as well....which will mean lot of new toys for either Grigg, Hodge or Big Cox....

[Tiger Khosh]

If we win 0 games next year the AFL still wouldn’t give us a priority. We won 3 of the last 7 premierships lol. Not that I’d complain if they did, but fat chance they’d be doing us of all clubs any favours, and nor should they in this case if we’re being impartial.

[tdy]

This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc.  I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one.  Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.

[Diocletian]

We don't have the benefit of an academy like Sydney does (NGA bollocks doesn't count)

[Andyy]

Blakey
Mills
Heeney
Gulden

Plus a few more yet to establish themselves

Imagine having priority access to talent of that level whether you finish top or bottom.

[the claw]

This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc.  I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one.  Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.

When you say middle tier you mean they have 23 24 to 28 yr olds step up and take over i assume.

Have you seen our middle tier its why we just won a spoon when the injuries kicked in.. We don't actually have an option but embrace a full on rebuild and they take time.
Sure we can target a few retreads in the right age bracket or state leaguers and f/a's but the overwhelming quality will come from the nd while we are near the bottom of the ladder.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc.  I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one.  Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.

Entire dynasty was built on the back of 2006,2007 and 2009 drafts.

[Francois Jackson]

This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc.  I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one.  Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.

Entire dynasty was built on the back of 2006,2007 and 2009 drafts.

100%
Grimes
Astbury
Rance
Dusty
Cotch
Jack

Dynasty.

[Tiger Khosh]

This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc.  I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one.  Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.

Entire dynasty was built on the back of 2006,2007 and 2009 drafts.

100%
Grimes
Astbury
Rance
Dusty
Cotch
Jack

Dynasty.

Don’t forget Shedda

[Francois Jackson]

06 but yes him too.

Our finishes 06 onwards were

9th
Last but I think blues got a Pp and chose Kruzer? (Cotch, Rance)
9th
Second last (Dusty)

Francois copped a lot of slack from many including me but boy did he nail 3 of these drafts. 08 was rubbish, but we did end up getting Shai from old mate Tyrone, which in turn may give us  the players for our next dynasty 

[mightytiges]

Yep, you need a highly talented core group to build around and really the only way we can do that is via access to the top part of the draft as FJ said. We don't have the luxury of academy and father-son picks nor can we promise players a Bellarine/Surf Coast  lifestyle.

[the claw]

This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc.  I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one.  Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.

Entire dynasty was built on the back of 2006,2007 and 2009 drafts.

So if 06 is the start of rebuild and 17 is the culmination of drafting then it took 13 years. I have been for years trying to get people to acknowledge how long rebuilds actually take from bottoming out.

This time around if this year is ground zero and it should be as the middle tier  not good enough  and seniors age  wont be here.
We don't actually have a say in what path we take its now full on rebuild or nothing.

[Tiger Khosh]

The rebuild isn’t complete after you win a flag, it’s once you start continuously making finals and contending. Some sides go through rebuilds and never win a flag, doesn’t mean the rebuild never finished.

[the claw]

The rebuild isn’t complete after you win a flag, it’s once you start continuously making finals and contending. Some sides go through rebuilds and never win a flag, doesn’t mean the rebuild never finished.

We weren't winning anything without Nankervis, Caddy  Prestia and even Graham all taken in 2016 and all obviously played in the 17  flag.
Thats a continuation of the rebuild that started in 2006. Why 2006? easy because thats as far back as we can go for players who played in the premiership.

We could take it back to 2004 where we actually bottomed  out with a spoon and got a new coach..
 Then proceeded to bottom out in 09 with a second last place and proceeded to get a new coach. Or was it 07 when we won just 3 games and got a wooden spoon. The thing is the better players we had came to us in this period 06 - 09 and were the core of the 17 flag.

Our 2017  premiership players were aquired from 2006 with Riewoldt and Edwards and culminated in 2016 with Prestia, Caddy, Nankervis, and Graham.

The reality is all teams are in perpetual rebuild. Determining where a team bottoms out and starts a new is the hard part to determine.
  From bottom in 04 to Flag  in 17 with at least two unexpected  bottoms outs inbetween took a total of 13 years.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

This may be heretical but I think bottoming out to list rebuild is the wrong way. I prefer the Sydney way of building through the middle. Maybe I'm scarred from the dismal drafts of yesteryear or even more recently like Dow. I also remember our 2017 premiership list had plenty of retreads, psd, rookie picks etc.  I'm not holding my breathe we get 5 superstars this draft, I barely hope for one.  Players aren't born great they are born with talent and made great.

Entire dynasty was built on the back of 2006,2007 and 2009 drafts.

So if 06 is the start of rebuild and 17 is the culmination of drafting then it took 13 years. I have been for years trying to get people to acknowledge how long rebuilds actually take from bottoming out.

This time around if this year is ground zero and it should be as the middle tier  not good enough  and seniors age  wont be here.
We don't actually have a say in what path we take its now full on rebuild or nothing.

Difference this time is access to free agency which we didn’t/couldn’t use until 2018. This will be what the Hawks use to take that final step next year and accelerates the teams that both draft well and develop existing talent. Will we? Time will tell.