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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: richmondrules on April 17, 2008, 01:21:15 PM
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Mark Coughlan Injury Update
Mark Coughlan has been experiencing ongoing issues with his hamstring over the past three weeks.
It was hopeful that he would be available to play this weekend, however he is yet to meet all of the criteria we expect for a return to play.
Given the vulnerability to hamstring injuries following ACL reconstructions, and ongoing soreness in his hamstring, we will be taking a conservative approach until we are satisfied Mark will cope with the demands of game day.
Further tests are being performed before a return to play date is set.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=58058
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Yep Miller said to us today that Cogs is 2-3 weeks away. Going by the RFC site it sounds it could be longer than that :-\.
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Yep Miller said to us today that Cogs is 2-3 weeks away. Going by the RFC site it sounds it could be longer than that :-\.
Away from playing for Richmond or returning for Coburg because returning for Coburg seems plausible for 3 weeks, Richmond definitely not.
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i dont think cogs will make in back in the team. maybe if his body holds up he may take tucks place, but reality is, cogs has slipped away and wont be good or fast enough for footy th eway its played now
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Yep Miller said to us today that Cogs is 2-3 weeks away. Going by the RFC site it sounds it could be longer than that :-\.
Away from playing for Richmond or returning for Coburg because returning for Coburg seems plausible for 3 weeks, Richmond definitely not.
Nah definitely Coburg. More likely Coburg ressies.
Miller told SEN Cogs has been sore the past 4-5 weeks :-\ and it's common for players coming back from knees to have hammy issues on the way back.
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i dont think cogs will make in back in the team. maybe if his body holds up he may take tucks place, but reality is, cogs has slipped away and wont be good or fast enough for footy th eway its played now
Still only 25.
If Cogs can get back to anywhere near our best he will walk into our side, and be one of the better players.
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"He just pulled up sore in his hamstring and given he has had such a lengthy absence we didn't want to take any risks with him," Richmond football manager Paul Armstrong told Sportal.
"He is doing everything he can to get right and hopefully it won't be too long," said Armstrong.
Full article at:
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/coughlans-comeback-on-hold-46793
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It isnt looking good for him, he has been out of the game for a while and you couldnt see him being able to do much this season.
Shame, hopefully he can make it back into the senior team but the signs arent good.
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It isnt looking good for him, he has been out of the game for a while and you couldnt see him being able to do much this season.
Shame, hopefully he can make it back into the senior team but the signs arent good.
Still only round 4 thou.
I would hope by the 2nd half of year he can break into side, and by end of season give us hope for Cogs/RFC - 09/future.
Cotchin - Cogs - Deledio
Would be a sweet center line.
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Unlucky Tiger injured again
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23554065-23211,00.html
April 17, 2008
THE troublesome hamstrings of Richmond midfielder Mark Coughlan have meant another delay to his long-awaited AFL return.
Coughlan is trying to return from two knee reconstructions, but hamstring tightness has ruled him out of a return through VFL affiliates Coburg.
The midfielder's ongoing hamstring problem flared again at training and the Tigers will put him through more tests before they set a return date.
"He was hoping himself he'd be right to go this week, he was really close last week," said Tigers football manager Paul Armstrong.
"He trained last night with Coburg and just felt tightness again, so he's not quite right - that's why we haven't put a timeframe on it as to when he might come back.
"Obviously he wants that to be sooner, (rather) than later, but because he's missed so much football, we want to make sure he's absolutely right."
Coughlan suffered his first knee injury in round 12, 2006 and needed a second reconstruction during the 2007 pre-season.
He played in Richmond's final pre-season trial game against Geelong last month, but hamstring tightness then stalled his comeback.
The club said that Coughlan was having "ongoing issues" with his hamstrings.
"Given the vulnerability to hamstring injuries following ACL reconstructions, and ongoing soreness in his hamstring, we will be taking a conservative approach until we are satisfied Mark will cope with the demands of game day," the club said.
"Further tests are being performed before a return to play date is set."
Coughlan has played 83 games for Richmond since his 2001 AFL debut.
Armstrong stressed that the hamstring problem was the only barrier to Coughlan's return.
"It's very frustrating for Mark ... he was eager to get back as soon as possible, but as we've said to him, there's no point coming back too soon and risk breaking down," he said.
"He's always been a super-fit player and he looks after himself really well, the rest of his body is fine.”
AAP
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"He's always been a super-fit player and he looks after himself really well, the rest of his body is fine.”
This is why I don't yet agree with the 'Cogs is finshed' line.
If you see pictures of the man his body looks like a machine. He is in top nick.
If we can fix the bottom 1/2 of him he'd be a massive 'in' for the side.
At his best he was very, very good. I miss him. :-[
2009 midfeild (hopfully):
- Cogs, Foley, Tambling
- Deledio, Cotchin, Edwards, Connors, Morton, King (?)
Tuck, Newman, Johnson add hard bodies.
Polo, Jackson, Raines, White should remain on the list also.
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Poor Coggers.
From a club planning point of view, you would have to regard him coming back in the side as a bonus, not a given.
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i dont think cogs will make in back in the team. maybe if his body holds up he may take tucks place, but reality is, cogs has slipped away and wont be good or fast enough for footy th eway its played now
Still only 25.
If Cogs can get back to anywhere near our best he will walk into our side, and be one of the better players.
he wont, remember draga?
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i dont think cogs will make in back in the team. maybe if his body holds up he may take tucks place, but reality is, cogs has slipped away and wont be good or fast enough for footy th eway its played now
Still only 25.
If Cogs can get back to anywhere near our best he will walk into our side, and be one of the better players.
he wont, remember draga?
yeah true but draga was a useless footballer even when he was playing whereas cogs when fit is a gem. our best 5.
that said i think his best is behind him.
can someone tell me any players who have come back to their brilliant best after 2 knee reco's
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2 Knee reco's are structural issues which are now compounded by soft tissue soreness, does not look good for Cogs to get back to the level he was 2 years ago, let alone to make the incremental improvement to catch up to today's current batch of pacy midfielders.
The game at elite AFL level may have just moved too quickly for Cogs to gain traction in any meaningful manner in an AFL midfield.
I respect Cogs' contribution and feel that he would make an excellent assistant coach at RFC if not captain/coach of Coburg (or be very welcome at the Perth Demons).
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i dont think cogs will make in back in the team. maybe if his body holds up he may take tucks place, but reality is, cogs has slipped away and wont be good or fast enough for footy th eway its played now
Still only 25.
If Cogs can get back to anywhere near our best he will walk into our side, and be one of the better players.
he wont, remember draga?
When Cogs was at his best - B&F winning 2003 he was a superstar.
I think people forget just how good the kid was.
I doubt he will getback to that form, but he is only 25 and superfit.
Will be a massive plus for the next 8 years of this club if he can.
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We've been robbed of a great talent.
One of the few with genuine ability in the age bracket we require so desperately, at 25 he should be flying and in the prime of his career, not a broken down crock.
The harsh reality is that every week that passes makes it infinitely more difficult for him to get back to the level he was before the knees. He's basically missed 3 years of football and the game hasn't got any slower..
Mark's situation really is tragic and evidence of how tough football can be.
I wish him well but he needs a major change of fortune in a hurry.
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We've been robbed of a great talent.
One of the few with genuine ability in the age bracket we require so desperately, at 25 he should be flying and in the prime of his career, not a broken down crock.
The harsh reality is that every week that passes makes it infinitely more difficult for him to get back to the level he was before the knees. He's basically missed 3 years of football and the game hasn't got any slower..
Mark's situation really is tragic and evidence of how tough football can be.
I wish him well but he needs a major change of fortune in a hurry.
true true.
it seems to always happen to us though
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We've been robbed of a great talent.
One of the few with genuine ability in the age bracket we require so desperately, at 25 he should be flying and in the prime of his career, not a broken down crock.
The harsh reality is that every week that passes makes it infinitely more difficult for him to get back to the level he was before the knees. He's basically missed 3 years of football and the game hasn't got any slower..
Mark's situation really is tragic and evidence of how tough football can be.
I wish him well but he needs a major change of fortune in a hurry.
true true.
it seems to always happen to us though
These sad stories seem to happen in every club but the difference with them and us though is that they have the depth to cover these player disasters while we don't (as was blantantly obvious when Simmonds, Brown etc went down last year)
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Coughlan is finished & RFC should have traded him & not on our list this year, he is a wasted space & will never pull a Tiger jumper on again.
His injury prone & by the time he gets used of playing 4 quarter football again he will not be good enough to push out the younger players of which he once used to be. his given us no service since winning the JD medal & l class him as one of those one year players
cya Cogs thanks for the service your days are numbered, go home Tigers should have taken WA deal some years ago. Look at the money & players we have lost from not making important deals over the years when we have been down & out, Gasper, Hall, Coughlan, we could of got good trade for & brought some youngsters for the rebuild instead of pushing players out the door for no reward.
trading players to other clubs & helping paying for them players in Daffy, Holland, we always come out losers. Stafford was a good deal but we had no-one to carry his work cause lazy money hungry Ottens was not doing his part, which held the club back. Glad that prick has broken down again. Dragacevic we kept him too long & he was a good player went on the win a B&F in SA good on him
If players are long term injured for 2 seasons get rid of them first chance
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some good points TM.
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:thumbsup thanks
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Coughlan is finished & RFC should have traded him & not on our list this year, he is a wasted space & will never pull a Tiger jumper on again.
His injury prone & by the time he gets used of playing 4 quarter football again he will not be good enough to push out the younger players of which he once used to be. his given us no service since winning the JD medal & l class him as one of those one year players
cya Cogs thanks for the service your days are numbered, go home Tigers should have taken WA deal some years ago. Look at the money & players we have lost from not making important deals over the years when we have been down & out, Gasper, Hall, Coughlan, we could of got good trade for & brought some youngsters for the rebuild instead of pushing players out the door for no reward.
trading players to other clubs & helping paying for them players in Daffy, Holland, we always come out losers. Stafford was a good deal but we had no-one to carry his work cause lazy money hungry Ottens was not doing his part, which held the club back. Glad that prick has broken down again. Dragacevic we kept him too long & he was a good player went on the win a B&F in SA good on him
If players are long term injured for 2 seasons get rid of them first chance
Load of crap IMO.
* we should trade Cogs? He has no trade value now. 4th round pick at best. Stupid idea.
* you really think if Cogs cannot get back to 80% of his best football our young players; White, Polo etc. are going to keep him out of the side?
* Cogs is a level about Dragacevic
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Coughlan is finished & RFC should have traded him & not on our list this year, he is a wasted space & will never pull a Tiger jumper on again.
His injury prone & by the time he gets used of playing 4 quarter football again he will not be good enough to push out the younger players of which he once used to be. his given us no service since winning the JD medal & l class him as one of those one year players
cya Cogs thanks for the service your days are numbered, go home Tigers should have taken WA deal some years ago. Look at the money & players we have lost from not making important deals over the years when we have been down & out, Gasper, Hall, Coughlan, we could of got good trade for & brought some youngsters for the rebuild instead of pushing players out the door for no reward.
trading players to other clubs & helping paying for them players in Daffy, Holland, we always come out losers. Stafford was a good deal but we had no-one to carry his work cause lazy money hungry Ottens was not doing his part, which held the club back. Glad that prick has broken down again. Dragacevic we kept him too long & he was a good player went on the win a B&F in SA good on him
If players are long term injured for 2 seasons get rid of them first chance
Load of crap IMO.
* we should trade Cogs? He has no trade value now. 4th round pick at best. Stupid idea.
* you really think if Cogs cannot get back to 80% of his best football our young players; White, Polo etc. are going to keep him out of the side?
* Cogs is a level about Dragacevic
load of crap you reckon :lol ok wanker lets see what you wrote
Coughlan is superfit :rollin :rollin is he ???? l dont think a brokendown player would be superfit, :lol in anybodys terms but they are in yours. so when you start saying people write crap look at yourself first wanker
Coughlan is far from superfit in fact his so broken down he has not been able to give any service for so long, many are forgetting him.
once he gets over his injuries & then starts training it will take him a season just to catch up to the Coburg players in fitness & skill work he be that rusty 1 good knock would send him back to rehab
stop dreaming about broken players & what they once were, if there out that long, then thier AFL career is over, if he makes it back we missed over 3 years service since 2003, thats good reward & clever thinking to keep & pay big $$$$$$ for someone who is living in rehab
Lucky l'm not running that club he would of been out before Roden & his a 2 time Morrish medalist & playing good football & has played in a Grand Final of which everyone dreams of but he wont want to remember it :lol
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Lucky l'm not running that club he would of been out before Roden & his a 2 time Morrish medalist & playing good football & has played in a Grand Final of which everyone dreams of but he wont want to remember it :lol
I'd prefer Rodan to Coughlan atm too.
No room for sentiment, unless Cogs get back to something resembling an AFL player soon he should retire.
Tragic it may be but so is the RFC.
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Coughlan is finished & RFC should have traded him & not on our list this year, he is a wasted space & will never pull a Tiger jumper on again.
His injury prone & by the time he gets used of playing 4 quarter football again he will not be good enough to push out the younger players of which he once used to be. his given us no service since winning the JD medal & l class him as one of those one year players
cya Cogs thanks for the service your days are numbered, go home Tigers should have taken WA deal some years ago. Look at the money & players we have lost from not making important deals over the years when we have been down & out, Gasper, Hall, Coughlan, we could of got good trade for & brought some youngsters for the rebuild instead of pushing players out the door for no reward.
trading players to other clubs & helping paying for them players in Daffy, Holland, we always come out losers. Stafford was a good deal but we had no-one to carry his work cause lazy money hungry Ottens was not doing his part, which held the club back. Glad that prick has broken down again. Dragacevic we kept him too long & he was a good player went on the win a B&F in SA good on him
If players are long term injured for 2 seasons get rid of them first chance
some great point TM :clapping
Bentleigh we all want to see Richmond succeed but we need to be realistic and not have blind faith or stupidity. Cogs is gawn. For the kids sake and nobody else's on this forum site who have argued for him nor against him I hope to God Allmighty I will be proven wrong but the boys body is not holding up to the rigors of all he has been through and now he has 15 weeks to resurrect something that seemed so unlikely just 5 years ago. Unfortunantely its reality and it hurts but that is all there is to it. His whole career has come down to the next 15 weeks :-[
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So he's gone or he's got 15 weeks left?
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Coughlan is finished & RFC should have traded him & not on our list this year, he is a wasted space & will never pull a Tiger jumper on again.
His injury prone & by the time he gets used of playing 4 quarter football again he will not be good enough to push out the younger players of which he once used to be. his given us no service since winning the JD medal & l class him as one of those one year players
cya Cogs thanks for the service your days are numbered, go home Tigers should have taken WA deal some years ago. Look at the money & players we have lost from not making important deals over the years when we have been down & out, Gasper, Hall, Coughlan, we could of got good trade for & brought some youngsters for the rebuild instead of pushing players out the door for no reward.
trading players to other clubs & helping paying for them players in Daffy, Holland, we always come out losers. Stafford was a good deal but we had no-one to carry his work cause lazy money hungry Ottens was not doing his part, which held the club back. Glad that prick has broken down again. Dragacevic we kept him too long & he was a good player went on the win a B&F in SA good on him
If players are long term injured for 2 seasons get rid of them first chance
some great point TM :clapping
Bentleigh we all want to see Richmond succeed but we need to be realistic and not have blind faith or stupidity. Cogs is gawn. For the kids sake and nobody else's on this forum site who have argued for him nor against him I hope to God Allmighty I will be proven wrong but the boys body is not holding up to the rigors of all he has been through and now he has 15 weeks to resurrect something that seemed so unlikely just 5 years ago. Unfortunantely its reality and it hurts but that is all there is to it. His whole career has come down to the next 15 weeks :-[
While we are all rambling on about REALITY. here's my take on it:
Coughlan has had 2 knee constructions - 1 caused by football and 1 caused by surgical complications preventing the 1st one from healing correctly - FACT.
During his comeback he has been stalled by hamstring soreness that is a common by-product of knee surgery - FACT.
He is 25 years old - an age where the body still has a very, very strong recuperative capacity - FACT.
Over his career he has kept himself at the upper level of elite fitness - FACT.
The fitter a human body, the more likely successful recovery from illness or injury - FACT.
He suffered from OP as a young kid when first exposed to the rigours of AFL, just like a significant percentage of other kids, all of whom recover from it and either make it or don't dependant on their ability, not OP - FACT.
No-one on this forum has a functioning crystal ball that can tell us if Coughlan's injury will prevent him from becoming the player he was - FACT.
Many supporters are displaying the same level of impatience and placing the same level of unreasonable expectation on Coughlan's recovery progress as they are on the capacity of our team of kids to succeed immediately on the field - REALITY.
The truth of whether Coughlan is "gawn" or not will only be known in hindsight, probably not until near the end of this season at the earliest and quite possibly not until well into next season - REALITY.
Definition of a supporter (from "The Free Dictionary" website):
supporter - a person who backs a politician or a team etc.; "all their supporters came out for the game"; "they are friends of the library"
admirer, booster, protagonist, champion, friend
Coughlan will have the best chance of a satisfactory recovery with the backing of all the Tiger "supporters" - we would do well to remember that when voicing our "opinions" and claiming them to be "reality".
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dont lay your politcal Dictionary rubbish on me
l seen this type of stuff from being involved at a capacity of football for 30+ years as player & coaching
l seen it from past dealing of Richmond holding onto injured players in the past & it does not work
it hold the club back financial & rewards nothing & cost the spot of rising talent to be unleashed
you can beleive all the stuff you like but his body at 25 is not recuperating cause its stuffing shot :lol what part of that dont you understand his body is not upto league football anymore its SHOT :thumbsup so offload him like Gasper, pay him out & promote a rookie at at years end its a free spot for the next younger Coughlan to be breed.
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dont lay your politcal Dictionary rubbish on me
l seen this type of stuff from being involved at a capacity of football for 30+ years as player & coaching
l seen it from past dealing of Richmond holding onto injured players in the past & it does not work
it hold the club back financial & rewards nothing & cost the spot of rising talent to be unleashed
you can beleive all the stuff you like but his body at 25 is not recuperating cause its effing shot :lol what part of that dont you understand his body is not upto league football anymore its SHOT :thumbsup so offload him like Gasper, pay him out & promote a rookie at at years end its a free spot for the next younger Coughlan to be breed.
He's still on our list, is one of our best players, is in the age bracket we are sadly deficient in, is recovering from 1 injury, and has not been tested senior level yet to know if he is still up to it or not. What part of that don't you understand?
And don't lay your experience on me, penis envy is a very shallow and futile exercise that gets trotted out when you have no basis of fact on which to argue. You the only person in the world with 30+ years experience hey?
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dont lay your politcal Dictionary rubbish on me
l seen this type of stuff from being involved at a capacity of football for 30+ years as player & coaching
l seen it from past dealing of Richmond holding onto injured players in the past & it does not work
it hold the club back financial & rewards nothing & cost the spot of rising talent to be unleashed
you can beleive all the stuff you like but his body at 25 is not recuperating cause its effing shot :lol what part of that dont you understand his body is not upto league football anymore its SHOT :thumbsup so offload him like Gasper, pay him out & promote a rookie at at years end its a free spot for the next younger Coughlan to be breed.
Mate, you really are a tosser.
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dont lay your politcal Dictionary rubbish on me
l seen this type of stuff from being involved at a capacity of football for 30+ years as player & coaching
l seen it from past dealing of Richmond holding onto injured players in the past & it does not work
it hold the club back financial & rewards nothing & cost the spot of rising talent to be unleashed
you can beleive all the stuff you like but his body at 25 is not recuperating cause its effing shot :lol what part of that dont you understand his body is not upto league football anymore its SHOT :thumbsup so offload him like Gasper, pay him out & promote a rookie at at years end its a free spot for the next younger Coughlan to be breed.
He's still on our list, is one of our best players, is in the age bracket we are sadly deficient in, is recovering from 1 injury, and has not been tested senior level yet to know if he is still up to it or not. What part of that don't you understand?
And don't lay your experience on me, penis envy is a very shallow and futile exercise that gets trotted out when you have no basis of fact on which to argue. You the only person in the world with 30+ years experience hey?
he is still on our list
HE WAS ONE OF OUR BETTER PLAYER
draga had better skills than cogs and was much more classier but 2 knees finished him.
cogs will never come good, 2 knees means 2 hamstring tendons have been removed and grafted to his knee joint, hence the hammy troubles he is having now.
cogs will struggle as we have better younger fitter faster players coming through
shaould have let him go when he had trade value as soon as he won the jd medal we should have used him to gain better players.
b4 ppl jump on my back, he was never as good and polished as he appeared and the rfc have failed to capitise on players like him in th epast by trading them when they had value to better our club. bowden, tivendale, daffy. naish etc etc
should have traded pettifer last yr also
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dont lay your politcal Dictionary rubbish on me
l seen this type of stuff from being involved at a capacity of football for 30+ years as player & coaching
l seen it from past dealing of Richmond holding onto injured players in the past & it does not work
it hold the club back financial & rewards nothing & cost the spot of rising talent to be unleashed
you can beleive all the stuff you like but his body at 25 is not recuperating cause its effing shot :lol what part of that dont you understand his body is not upto league football anymore its SHOT :thumbsup so offload him like Gasper, pay him out & promote a rookie at at years end its a free spot for the next younger Coughlan to be breed.
He's still on our list, is one of our best players, is in the age bracket we are sadly deficient in, is recovering from 1 injury, and has not been tested senior level yet to know if he is still up to it or not. What part of that don't you understand?
And don't lay your experience on me, penis envy is a very shallow and futile exercise that gets trotted out when you have no basis of fact on which to argue. You the only person in the world with 30+ years experience hey?
he is still on our list
HE WAS ONE OF OUR BETTER PLAYER
draga had better skills than cogs and was much more classier but 2 knees finished him.
Oh my God... :P
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u have no idea and are a know all punce bentoveresqe
only if u saw draga through all his junior career u would know what im on about
so fo figjam
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he is still on our list
Fact
HE WAS ONE OF OUR BETTER PLAYER
Opinion
draga had better skills than cogs and was much more classier but 2 knees finished him.
Opinion
cogs will never come good, 2 knees means 2 hamstring tendons have been removed and grafted to his knee joint, hence the hammy troubles he is having now.
Opinion
cogs will struggle as we have better younger fitter faster players coming through
Opinion
shaould have let him go when he had trade value as soon as he won the jd medal we should have used him to gain better players.
Hindsight/Opinion
b4 ppl jump on my back, he was never as good and polished as he appeared and the rfc have failed to capitise on players like him in th epast by trading them when they had value to better our club. bowden, tivendale, daffy. naish etc etc
Hindsight/Opinion
should have traded pettifer last yr also
Pointless opinion.
So the only fact you could present to back up your point was that he is still on our list. Wow, convinced me!
Opinions are like sphincters - we all have one - and basing your case to sack or trade Coughlan on 1 fact and 6 points of opinion makes me very thankful you have no say in the day to day running of our club.
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u have no idea and are a know all punce bentoveresqe
only if u saw draga through all his junior career u would know what im on about
so fo figjam
And I'm sure Anthony Banik, Ezra Poyas, Alex Gilmour, Scott Homewood, Jarryd Oakley-Nicholls and the multitude of other draftees that didn't or won't make it were also very gifted juniors - that's most likely how they got noticed and drafted in the first place. None of it means they will be great or even good AFL players for any number of reasons. I owned a racehorse once that had impeccable breeding, good trainer, trialled well, and ran into a running rail during a gallop one morning - had to be put down. Might have been a champion one day but ended up dog meat and the reality is - that's all it was worth. Dragacevic? Might have been the greatest guy going around and should have been a triple Brownlow Medallist. Reality? Dog meat.
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u have no idea and are a know all punce bentoveresqe
only if u saw draga through all his junior career u would know what im on about
so fo figjam
Cry me a river women.
Rodan won two best on ground in grand finals in juniors. Rodan was traded because he wasnt up to it.
Cogs wont be traded. Proven top shelf.
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u have no idea and are a know all punce bentoveresqe
only if u saw draga through all his junior career u would know what im on about
so fo figjam
Cry me a river women.
Rodan won two best on ground in grand finals in juniors. Rodan was traded because he wasnt up to it.
Cogs wont be traded. Proven top shelf.
You are right Bentleigh Cogs will not be traded............................................. Watch this space.
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dont lay your politcal Dictionary rubbish on me
l seen this type of stuff from being involved at a capacity of football for 30+ years as player & coaching
l seen it from past dealing of Richmond holding onto injured players in the past & it does not work
it hold the club back financial & rewards nothing & cost the spot of rising talent to be unleashed
you can beleive all the stuff you like but his body at 25 is not recuperating cause its effing shot :lol what part of that dont you understand his body is not upto league football anymore its SHOT :thumbsup so offload him like Gasper, pay him out & promote a rookie at at years end its a free spot for the next younger Coughlan to be breed.
He's still on our list, is one of our best players, is in the age bracket we are sadly deficient in, is recovering from 1 injury, and has not been tested senior level yet to know if he is still up to it or not. What part of that don't you understand?
And don't lay your experience on me, penis envy is a very shallow and futile exercise that gets trotted out when you have no basis of fact on which to argue. You the only person in the world with 30+ years experience hey?
your a born tosser pal, Coughlan has missed 3 years of football what part of that dont you understand. your defending a broken player who has not even recovered from the first knee & he did it in again without even getting on the field then pulls hammys haha when in the last 3 years has he played a great game
ZERO
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dont lay your politcal Dictionary rubbish on me
l seen this type of stuff from being involved at a capacity of football for 30+ years as player & coaching
l seen it from past dealing of Richmond holding onto injured players in the past & it does not work
it hold the club back financial & rewards nothing & cost the spot of rising talent to be unleashed
you can beleive all the stuff you like but his body at 25 is not recuperating cause its effing shot :lol what part of that dont you understand his body is not upto league football anymore its SHOT :thumbsup so offload him like Gasper, pay him out & promote a rookie at at years end its a free spot for the next younger Coughlan to be breed.
Mate, you really are a tosser.
No l speak the facts we got a footballer who is on good money for 3 years & no service
stop living in 2003, this is 2008 his broken finished face the facts 2008 l reckon he wont make the senior side
call me what you want but reality is on my side. His given no service is 3 years how the stuff do you know how good he is
Polo will push him our the door
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Pop Coughlan
Cotchin has just taken his spot you think cog will push this yourngster out of the team dont think so
heard his Special :lol
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No l speak the facts we got a footballer who is on good money for 3 years & no service
stop living in 2003, this is 2008 his broken finished face the facts 2008 l reckon he wont make the senior side
call me what you want but reality is on my side. His given no service is 3 years how the eff do you know how good he is
Polo will push him our the door
You actually haven't spoken one fact at all, not one. Coughlan has missed 18 months, not 3 years. Round 12 2006 vs Hawthorn - remember? Up to then he had averaged 21.9 disposals in 11 games, 36 tackles at 3.3 per game. Previous season he played all 22 games averaging over 22 disposals per game, 99 tackles at 4.5 per game, 10 Brownlow votes. All of this within your much vaunted last 3 years. A deeper look at his career shows that he played 5 games in his first year at senior level (2001), 3 more early in 2002 then broke back in for round 10 and didn't miss a game for the rest of the season. Won the Jack Dyer medal in 2003 playing in every game. Played the first 5 games in 2004 then missed 14 straight with OP until round 21. Played the rest of that season, all of 2005 and every game in 2006 until his knee in round 12. So the FACT is he has a very good record of durability, is a club Best & Fairest winner, has scored 29 Brownlow votes in his career, and has only injured his knee ONCE playing football - he had the 2nd operation because the 1st one wasn't a success, nothing whatsoever to do with football.
You asked the question "how the eff do you know how good he is" - and that's my exact point - no-one knows, certainly not you or me! But the worst thing we can do as a club is to make a hasty ill-thought out decision regarding the future of a proven big time player who has a lot to offer the team if he recovers fully. Applying your theory we should have traded Richo back in 1995? And again, applying your theory we did the correct thing in trading Roden? Brisbane should have traded Bradshaw? Collingwood should have traded Rhyce Shaw? Bulldogs should have traded Murphy and Giansiracusa? Adelaide should have traded Shaun Rehn? I'll bet he's glad your theory didn't apply at Adelaide - he played in 2 winning grand finals after doing 2 separate knee's. And played another 49 games in 3 seasons after doing his 3rd. Heaven help anyone at Richmond that does a knee then.
Maybe its you who needs to stop living within the boundaries of your own prejudices and open your mind. And as for being a tosser? Most girls I know stopped the name calling while still at school - might be time for you to grow up and do the same.
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You actually haven't spoken one fact at all, not one. Coughlan has missed 18 months, not 3 years. Round 12 2006 vs Hawthorn - remember? Up to then he had averaged 21.9 disposals in 11 games, 36 tackles at 3.3 per game. Previous season he played all 22 games averaging over 22 disposals per game, 99 tackles at 4.5 per game, 10 Brownlow votes. All of this within your much vaunted last 3 years. A deeper look at his career shows that he played 5 games in his first year at senior level (2001), 3 more early in 2002 then broke back in for round 10 and didn't miss a game for the rest of the season. Won the Jack Dyer medal in 2003 playing in every game. Played the first 5 games in 2004 then missed 14 straight with OP until round 21. Played the rest of that season, all of 2005 and every game in 2006 until his knee in round 12. So the FACT is he has a very good record of durability, is a club Best & Fairest winner, has scored 29 Brownlow votes in his career, and has only injured his knee ONCE playing football - he had the 2nd operation because the 1st one wasn't a success, nothing whatsoever to do with football.
thats right Coughlan didnot do his knee in football the second time, he did it in the shower accident, as you said his a Superfit player well where is he cause l dont see him playing :lol not even in the Coburg seconds cause his broken, & whats is the real reason his not playing ;D cause his so superfit from what you say :lol his breaking down all the time. Superfit is someone l call Robert Harvey who gets injured often, but returns to dominate games & his a old man :rollin had more injuries than Coughlan yet is still giving his club valued service what a champion. there goes your theory of being young & recuperating from injury better cause if a superfit old man recovers better than a young Coughlan than that tells me his body cannot cope with AFL preasure, Same applies to the likes of Judd he gives a service while being injured, oh within them 3 years l should say 3 bad seasons his played not much foorball counting this year as well so you look at it how you want. go around help him recover cause if he dont play this year thats it ;D
Richmond dont learn by its mistakes, holding onto injured players really has had thier revenge on the club over the years & gives other clubs the upper edge in development. have you not noticed the stand the club has taken on players giving any service they get cut cause the supporters have been venting for years now about our sad list & poor recruiting times are changing
but Coughlan is GAWN he will be fighting the likes of Tambling, Deledio, Cotchin, Foley, & l dont rate his chances these guys are in there playing & others are sitting waiting for them to get injured ;D
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So the FACT is he has a very good record of durability
That's not a fact, it's hilarious.
Cogs would be one of the most injury prone players to ever pull on a Richmond jumper.
He's missed a shedload of football and will find it extremely hard to get back. That's a fact.
shaould have let him go when he had trade value as soon as he won the jd medal we should have used him to gain better players.
Equally as comical.
4 or 5 years ago, pre his countless injury woes Cogs was going to be an absolute jet.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but no way on the planet would the club have traded Mark.
In fact he likely would have been the next Richmond Captain had injuries not gotten the better of him. :(
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oh by the way dont ever think that l dont admire Cogs as a footballer for RFC & his great skills & ability cause l do.
l like every supporter here want him to return & prove me wrong l would glady state l got it wrong
But the promises of his ready, no his not & what l know his got alot ahead of him & alot of work that only a mental toughness will get him through like a Robert Harvey with a never give up attitude & desire to except the pain that goes with being a elite player
RFC as a football club to rise needs all its players to be giving a service, not sitting in the stands watching every season.
PS, l have used Robert Harvey as a example cause of his age & what his body has been through, 20 years of hard hitting league football. He still has the ability to recover & giving a valued service & proving old men can recover from injuries with the right people around him, Hence Richmond dont have that :lol
:shh
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So the FACT is he has a very good record of durability
That's not a fact, it's hilarious.
Cogs would be one of the most injury prone players to ever pull on a Richmond jumper.
He's missed a shedload of football and will find it extremely hard to get back. That's a fact.
shaould have let him go when he had trade value as soon as he won the jd medal we should have used him to gain better players.
Equally as comical.
4 or 5 years ago, pre his countless injury woes Cogs was going to be an absolute jet.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but no way on the planet would the club have traded Mark.
In fact he likely would have been the next Richmond Captain had injuries not gotten the better of him. :(
Mr Magic, your so on the mark there :thumbsup
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thats right Coughlan didnot do his knee in football the second time, he did it in the shower accident,
Another FACT??? Your mate Jack might be able to help with a bit of wink wink nudge nudge here - story is the surgery was botched and the shower accident was just a story the club trotted out to protect the innocent. Who knows the real FACT?
as you said his a Superfit player well where is he cause l dont see him playing :lol not even in the Coburg seconds cause his broken, & whats is the real reason his not playing ;D cause his so superfit from what you say :lol his breaking down all the time. Superfit is someone l call Robert Harvey who gets injured often, but returns to dominate games & his a old man :rollin had more injuries than Coughlan yet is still giving his club valued service what a champion. there goes your theory of being young & recuperating from injury better cause if a superfit old man recovers better than a young Coughlan than that tells me his body cannot cope with AFL preasure, Same applies to the likes of Judd he gives a service while being injured, oh within them 3 years l should say 3 bad seasons his played not much foorball counting this year as well so you look at it how you want. go around help him recover cause if he dont play this year thats it
Yep, got me there. Harvey has played how many games since his knee reconstruction? And refresh me as to how many Judd has played since his knee reconstruction? When Coughlan returns from his and then continues to break down you will have a valid point to argue - until then all this rambling is uninformed, speculative dribble.
Richmond dont learn by its mistakes, holding onto injured players really has had thier revenge on the club over the years & gives other clubs the upper edge in development. have you not noticed the stand the club has taken on players giving any service they get cut cause the supporters have been venting for years now about our sad list & poor recruiting times are changing
What stand? Rodan got cut because he was considered to be surplus to our requirements in our team structure going forward. I am very confident in saying that when the club makes a decision like cutting Rodan (or any other player for that matter) then it takes no notice of the supporters - and that's a good thing too. And aren't you one of the strongest advocates and loudest voices for sacking Wallace, Miller et al because nothing is changing? At odds with your stance here I would have thought.
but Coughlan is GAWN he will be fighting the likes of Tambling, Deledio, Cotchin, Foley, & l dont rate his chances these guys are in there playing & others are sitting waiting for them to get injured ;D
He most cetainly be fighting with all these guys and when he regains his fitness and confidence then the club will be in a rare position of these quality players fighting for prime positions in the team - win win - unless we sack him before we know if he will recover or not.
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That's not a fact, it's hilarious.
Cogs would be one of the most injury prone players to ever pull on a Richmond jumper.
He's missed a shedload of football and will find it extremely hard to get back. That's a fact.
Do you actually know what a fact is? Broke into the team as a permanent member in round 10 2002 - didn't miss a game for the rest of the season. Missed 1 game in 2003 while winning the JD. Missed 15 straight in 2004 with OP. Played every game in 2005. Played every game in 2006 until the knee injury. So he has missed 2 chunks of games in his career due to injury - recovered totally and back to his best from the first one, still rehabilitating from the second one. "One of the most injury prone players to ever pull on a Richmond jumper"? Get real, look at the facts for a bit of reality and don't be swayed by the popular perception.
shaould have let him go when he had trade value as soon as he won the jd medal we should have used him to gain better players.
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Equally as comical.
4 or 5 years ago, pre his countless injury woes Cogs was going to be an absolute jet.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but no way on the planet would the club have traded Mark.
In fact he likely would have been the next Richmond Captain had injuries not gotten the better of him.
On this I generally agree. Injury has curtailed his career but there is no evidence or basis of fact yet to say that this is terminal. From all accounts he was being groomed as a future leader and I'm quite sure that the qualities the club saw then still exist. They will give him as much time as possible to demonstrate if he has recovered or not.
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did l say Robert Harvey & Judd had knee reconstructions :rollin l didnot, ;D :shh l stated their ability to recover & play with injuries that thier giving a valued service to thier clubs & still dominating play while not 100% but because thier superfit
l used it as a example your telling me cogs is superfit & at 25 years old his ability to recover from injuries is on his side.
well l dont see Cogs playing & have not seen him for so long l nearly forgot he was still on our list.
you can think of me what you like :lol but l think l wrote enough on this thread ;D we all know his not giving any service cause his superfit remember & those skills well sorry to say but they be so rusty it take a full season of AFL just to get used to pace of the game thats if he can keep up cause the geelong practice match surely killed him off we aint seen him since :shh
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when you state played every game in season 2006 until he did his knee makes alot of sence ;D
did he not do his knee in season 2006 l think you said round 12 so if thats the case he missed half the season of 2006 so that dont make he played every game
is that correct your starting to confuse me ;D
l know he missed alot of 2004 season & all of 2007 ;D & his missed 5 games this season maybe 22 by years end
so add half of 2006 season thats alot of service missing in action & those $$$$ oh my gosh
has a rookie been brought up yet for Cogs long term injury ;D we might have another Kingy in the list
Jackstar :thumbsup help me out please, he said you would help me on the Coughlan thread cause l dont know anything ;D
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Injury has curtailed his career but there is no evidence or basis of fact yet to say that this is terminal. From all accounts he was being groomed as a future leader and I'm quite sure that the qualities the club saw then still exist. They will give him as much time as possible to demonstrate if he has recovered or not.
& those last few words just had the forum cringe :lol exactly what started this off
Richmond got players to replace Cogs because we need players like him giving us service not sitting in the stand injured being paid
if they succeed Cogs will be GAWN cant you see whats being developed down the club ;D
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when you state played every game in season 2006 until he did his knee makes alot of sence ;D
did he not do his knee in season 2006 l think you said round 12 so if thats the case he missed half the season of 2006 so that dont make he played every game
is that correct your starting to confuse me ;D
"Played the rest of that season, all of 2005 and every game in 2006 until his knee in round 12."
"Played every game in 2006 until the knee injury."
What on earth is so confusing about this?
l know he missed alot of 2004 season & all of 2007 ;D & his missed 5 games this season
That's where the fact ends (although it is only 4 this season so far), and no-one has disputed this. It is still only 2 blocks from injury - 1 from OP with a full recovery and 1 from his knee reco which he is still rehabilitating from. So those arguing how injury prone he is are simply not right.
maybe 22 by years end
Yep, might be, and THEN and only THEN is the right time to assess his future, not now while he is still recovering. That's all I have been saying all along if you care to reread.
so add half of 2006 season thats alot of service missing in action & those $$$$ oh my gosh
has a rookie been brought up yet for Cogs long term injury ;D we might have another Kingy in the list
We did have him on the long term list last year and this made way for a rookie. He's not on the list this year because he is obviously coming on at a rate acceptable to the football department with the likelihood of playing footy again in the near future. On another level, our inability or reluctance to rookie list players in the past few years has been much more based on our financial circumstances and not about player availability.
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& those last few words just had the forum cringe
Here's an opinion - I bet not all of them on here did.
Richmond got players to replace Cogs because we need players like him giving us service not sitting in the stand injured being paid
if they succeed Cogs will be GAWN cant you see whats being developed down the club ;D
If, if, if. The club is following a very sound path dealing with Coughlan - if he recovers, if we replace him, if he comes good, if he breaks down. The best way to deal with this from the club's perspective is to receive all the advice from all the relevant experts, apply that to what it sees on a daily basis and then act accordingly. Coughlan is still on the list, is still training and that's all we have to go by at the moment. We can all be 'hindsight experts' at season's end but until then its all if, if, if. I'm more than comfortable with the way the club is handling his situation and until I see any FACTS to alter that then they have my support.
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l know exactly how much football his missed
since 2003 JD medal his missed alot of 2004, & half of 2006 & all of 2007 & so far unsighted this year 2008
its round 5 today is he out there playing today :lol dont know why you even mentioned that so 5 games
Thats not much service for a superfit player :lol a GAWN player
anyway time to go to the game :gotigers
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anyway time to go to the game :gotigers
Enjoy the box and make sure you cheer harder for those of us that can't attend every game! And if you see Cog's wish him all the best - seriously. I know that we would all prefer him to stay with us and get back to his best. Lets allow history to tell us who was right or wrong. :gotigers
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That's not a fact, it's hilarious.
Cogs would be one of the most injury prone players to ever pull on a Richmond jumper.
He's missed a shedload of football and will find it extremely hard to get back. That's a fact.
Do you actually know what a fact is? Broke into the team as a permanent member in round 10 2002 - didn't miss a game for the rest of the season. Missed 1 game in 2003 while winning the JD. Missed 15 straight in 2004 with OP. Played every game in 2005. Played every game in 2006 until the knee injury. So he has missed 2 chunks of games in his career due to injury - recovered totally and back to his best from the first one, still rehabilitating from the second one. "One of the most injury prone players to ever pull on a Richmond jumper"? Get real, look at the facts for a bit of reality and don't be swayed by the popular perception.
LMFAO. :rollin
- Missed 15 games in 2004
- Missed 10 games in 2006
- Missed 22 games in 2007
- Missed 5 games so far in 2008
They are the bald facts right there mate no matter what spin you try and put on it.
Durable? You're totally deluded.
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the coughlan story is a fu cken joke.
Anyone who is waiting for his return probably wants Joel back in the team to.
5x more injuries than Dragacevic
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- Missed 15 games in 2004
1st injury - OP - full recovery.
- Missed 10 games in 2006
- Missed 22 games in 2007
- Missed 5 games so far in 2008
2nd injury - knee - still rehabilitating.
They are the bald facts right there mate no matter what spin you try and put on it.
Durable? You're totally deluded.
What spin? As you so succinctly point out - 2 injuries in his career since breaking into the senior team as a regular player. No delusion here, just patience and pragmatism. Thankfully the people in control of our football department seem to have a similar mindset.
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Thats the problem the club is deluded on broken players, its been proven in the past
your a deluded supporter, you need to get over your love affair with Cogs cause his given us nothing for years
Missed 15 games in 2004
Missed 10 games in 2006
Missed 22 games in 2007
Missed 5 games so far in 2008
thats enough in itself to prove his not worthy of being retained next season
l hope he does recover cause maybe the club can trade him & recover what we can from the money his cost us
l got nothing further to put into this thread until & if he makes his comeback into the senior side
the list has too many others who can do what he once did
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Thats the problem the club is deluded on broken players, its been proven in the past
your a deluded supporter, you need to get over your love affair with Cogs cause his given us nothing for years
Missed 15 games in 2004
Missed 10 games in 2006
Missed 22 games in 2007
Missed 5 games so far in 2008
thats enough in itself to prove his not worthy of being retained next season
l hope he does recover cause maybe the club can trade him & recover what we can from the money his cost us
l got nothing further to put into this thread until & if he makes his comeback into the senior side
the list has too many others who can do what he once did
I have no love affair with Cogs or any other player. I want the club to succeed more than anything and have suffered every one of the 27+ years since we last won a grand final just like most of us on here. I am a firm believer in the train of thought that the only way we can move forward with success and rid ourselves of our pervading culture of failure and mediocrity is to become much, much smarter in everything we do as a club, and to that point I am a strong advocate for ridding ourselves of the knee jerk populist reaction we have practised since the mid 70's. That's why I argued so strongly at the start of the year against Johnson's removal and why I am now arguing so strongly against Coughlan's removal. The facts did not/do not support either of these actions then or now and thankfully the club is seeing it that way too. That gives me a great deal of confidence in the club's direction and future and why I am optimistic about our coming success for the first time in nearly 3 decades. Sorry if that doesn't feed your need for immediate action and gratification but I'm comfortable with it and that's why I will argue for it.
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Thats the problem
your a deluded supporter,
Missed 15 games in 2004
Missed 10 games in 2006
Missed 22 games in 2007
Missed 5 games so far in 2008
thats enough in itself to prove his not worthy of being retained next season
As l said read above & when Cogs plays his next game get this thread our of the dusty archives & let me know :lol