But Bombers' coach Kevin Sheedy said he didn't 'mind' Richmond defender/forward Ty Zantuck, while he added the Dons could help Geelong and Richmond in an Ottens deal.
He (Miller)added that Nathan Thompson had not come up in Richmond's discussions.
Miller said they would like to 'get' Fremantle ruckman/forward Troy Simmonds and confirmed the club had spoken to the Dockers about luring him back to Victoria.
But Fremantle said it was hoping to keep Simmonds, according to football manager Steven Icke, but the Dockers had received some interest in forward/midfielder Troy Longmuir.
"We've said a second round pick and we'll stick with that," Icke said on Longmuir, who wants to head to Richmond, according to his management.
Thats no surprise about Ty ;)
Will be a bomber ;)
We can only trade Otto to a Club he agrees to go to. He's basically now demanding that we make a trade with the Cats or he'll put a massive price on his head and go to the Pies for nothing in the PSD.
Maybe Roos coach Laidley knew this already.
As for Sheeds. The Bombers want midfielders so maybe he's after someone like an Enright, Corey, etc.. and would be willing to give up their first pick if we chuck in Zantuck as well.
Geelong lose pick 16, player(s)/picks ; gain Ottens
Essendon lose pick 13; gain, Geelong player(s)/picks and Ty
Richmond gain #13, #16.
A mate of mine emailed me that the deal is Zantuck and a pick for Mark Bolton.
BigFooty has a thread saying a 3 way for Ottens (and Zantuck) is almost done...apparently mentioned on SEN??
Richmond Lose: Ottens and Zantuck
Richmond Gain: Picks 14,16, 32
Geelong Gain: Ottens
Geelong Lose: Picks 16, 32 and Wojinski
Essendon Gain: Wojinski and Zantuck
Essendon Lose: Pick 14
Anyone heard this?
Could we use pick 16 to get Simmonds?
We hold the upper hand as he can walk to us for nothing into the PSD. I don't reckon he's worth a first rounder. Maybe a second and a
player (Fiora ;D).
why not make it perfect and offer both Chaffey and Fiora! :thumbsup
MT - Any idea which Geelong player has been traded to make way for Brad's wallet -
I thought it said ALMOST official...
Can't we just throw Blumfield in as well? :thumbsup
I say get rid of sheedy and deal exclusively with the cats!
Top 10 pick and 16 as well as 32 then we might be talking...
Zantuck for 30.
You may be right fwoy.
Wish they hurry up ;D
I say get rid of sheedy and deal exclusively with the cats!
Top 10 pick and 16 as well as 32 then we might be talking...
Zantuck for 30.
How will they get a top ten pick for us?
They have listed about 15 of their players as untouchable so their
is no way they can get a top ten pick unless that attitude changes
If we dont deal with sydney we may find ourselves in a trade war with them for saddington, difficult to say seems like they might come in with a late deal whch will include that prized top 10 deal! :thumbsup
I would love a top ten pick but i can't see how we can get it ,
only chance is if sydney get desperate enough for otto and
give one of their top liners away for one..
Looks like this will be the trade:
Richmond Gain: Pick 14, 16, 30
Mark Williams has said that he won't make a deal with Carr and will let him go into the PSD. Do we take him with our first pick ? Maybe for 1 year and then take Freo's first rounder next year ?
Mark Williams has said that he won't make a deal with Carr and will let him go into the PSD. Do we take him with our first pick ? Maybe for 1 year and then take Freo's first rounder next year ?
what about Carltons pick? Pagan likes picking up players from other clubs. I wonder if the swans have tried to get thier pick?
Roos have given up their first and second pick for Nathan Thomson :o
North are making every mistake we made the past 10 years. Finishing 9th/10th and trading away their top picks thinking an experienced player will scrape them into the finals.
Agreed , i think thommo turns 27 next year so that makes it even more strange.
Richmond confirmed yesterday it would trade Ottens to Carlton for its picks despite Ottens' preference to be traded to either Sydney or Geelong.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10983848%255E2722,00.html
Steve McKee: confirmed that he had spoken to Mckee. Non commital on whether we would try and trade for him - hinted may invite him to do pre-season training and take it from there.
There was also talk of Gilbee & Bowden?
Steve McKee:
Is this some sick joke lol. No thanks!
What's the point of waiting till the deadline.Agree Harry, this should have been done on the first day.
Good luck to them, but if we don't start negotiating instead of blackmailing, we'll get eff all!
A thought that has just popped into my head. If we can mend the bridges with Ottens and persuade him to stay on AND we get Simmonds in the psd for nothing, then all of a sudden we would have a lethal ruck/forward line.
According to Sportal the Bulldogs have said they would trade pick 6 and Gilbee for Ottens if a deal with Geelong is not done.
That would give us picks 1,4,6,20,22 :thumbsupMT I think it's likely we'll send pick 20 to Freo for Simmonds, as originally offered. Freo should accept rather than lose him for nothing.
I agree Jackstar. It would be the best outcome for all parties.
I also think that if a deal is not done Ottens will realise he is staying at Richmond and re-sign before the PSD. Not ideal, but if Freo accept pick 20 for Simmonds it would mean we'd have Simmonds, Ottens and still hold PSD pick 1.
Sheedy said Essendon had offered its first pick, No.14, and Mark Bolton in a deal to Richmond that could also involve the Bombers gaining out-of-favour Tiger Ty Zantuck.
Love to sign off on pick 6 and gillbee :cheers ..........but I don't think ottens will go to the Dogs :banghead.....so send him to the cats for two picks in the top twenty and take pick 20 off the table taking Simmons in the PSD. This tiger fans gives us 5 out of the top twenty kids in the country this draft, the competition between the young guys will send us up the ladder in a few years
What do you think? Can we come last again next year? The next Chris Judd and Reiwolt would be nice
Imo, second and third round picks are just as important as any earlier picks. Having a Judd/Riewoldt is good, but Premiership teams tend to have an even spread of players (i.e. depth), because the superstars aren’t going to do it on their own. They can lift those around them, but as we know, without enough players with ‘footy smarts’, the top line players can easily be negated by the opposition.
Stay clear of Bolton at all costs. The epitome of a soft player. Looked average in Essendon's side. How average will he look without the likes of Solomon, Fletcher, Wellman and McPhee helping him out?
And another thing, during the year we were all ranting and raving about Jackson, Raines, Roach, Hartigan, and Gilmour. Well besides Gilmour, all these kids were all picked up with draft picks after 36. Imagine the exitement level when we have another 6-8 kids on our list coming through Coburg, all of whom are of higher quality than this years batch, and all of whom were picked up with draft picks before pick 36. Imagine if we did this for 2-3 years straight !!
Would Melbourne have the salary cap space for Ottens, and then would he agree to go to Melbourne.
Looks like Freo have reassessed and will likely take pick 20 for Simmonds which they can then give to St Kilda for Heath Black.
If so, leaves PSD pick 1 to keep a rein on the Ottens negotiations.
Also, StKilda will trade the pick 20 (or possibly thier 1st round pick 17) for Whitnall. Then Carlton have the opportunity to offer 9 and 17 (or20) for Ottens.
My nerves are shot :help
I will stick my neck out ;)
Ottens deal is done. he is gone, you can all sleep well
You might find they are just tidying a few things up. Might be announced tonite or in morning, mail is .DEAL DONE :birthday
I will stick my neck out ;)
Ottens deal is done. he is gone, you can all sleep well
You might find they are just tidying a few things up. Might be announced tonite or in morning, mail is .DEAL DONE :birthday
PM for those who would like to sleep very well :thumbsup
FFS! Collingwood to trade pick 7 for Smith
Apparently 3AW is running with the story that the Otto deal has been done, with Richmond getting picks 12 and 16, Melbourne getting Moloney, and Geelong getting sloth.
Personally, I would be pushing for pick 32 as well while we're at it, seeing as e miss a top ten pick. If Carr can get three picks, it's worth a try... :lol
If thats the best that he could do then im f@king peeed off. >:(
Just heard that Miller has secured 11, 12, and 16 for Ottens can anybody confirm this.
Enright>>Port >>Pick 11>>Geelong
Malony>>Melbourne >>>Pick 12>>Geelong
11,12,16 >>Richmond
Ottens>>Geelong
Deal will be done First thing tomorrow morning
Whether the deal is 11,12,16 or 12 and 16 the trade should be wrapped up ASAP. Because with one of these picks we could perhaps bundle it up with some players and make a play for the bullies pick 6, adelaides pick 8 or Carltons pick 9 and still manage to obtain a pick lower than 10 which is after all what Miller and co are after.
Thoughts
Whether the deal is 11,12,16 or 12 and 16 the trade should be wrapped up ASAP. Because with one of these picks we could perhaps bundle it up with some players and make a play for the bullies pick 6, adelaides pick 8 or Carltons pick 9 and still manage to obtain a pick lower than 10 which is after all what Miller and co are after.
Thoughts
I would keep the picks. 4-5 picks in the first 16 of the draft is a fantastic result as we have a great chance to not only get top quality kids but also improve our depth immensely.
Sports Tonight claim it's only 12 and 16.
That's what I'm talking about MT, for instance take pick 16 bundle it up with Rodan, chaffey or who ever and ship it off to say the dogs or who ever has a high pick available and exchange them, so our pick 16 becomes pick 6. Then we would have 1,4,6,12 etc
Just heard that Miller has secured 11, 12, and 16 for Ottens can anybody confirm this.Sounds like the rumuor I made up on BigFooty. Sorry. :-[
Enright>>Port >>Pick 11>>Geelong
Malony>>Melbourne >>>Pick 12>>Geelong
11,12,16 >>Richmond
Ottens>>Geelong
Deal will be done First thing tomorrow morning
Here's a new one
Ottens to Geelong
Zantuck to Kangaroos
Maloney to Melbourne
Harding and Pick 12 to Carlton
Pick 9 and 16 to Richmond
Apparently agreed to in priciple at 8.30p.m tonight
It actually works like this -
Melbourne
Lose - Pick 12
Gain - Moloney (from Geelong)
Richmond
Lose - Ottens and Zantuck
Gain - Pick 9 (From Carlton) Pick 16 (from Geelong)
Geelong
Lose - Moloney and Pick 16
Gain - Ottens
Kangaroos
Lose - Harding
Gain - Zantuck
Carlton
Lose - Pick 9
Gain - Harding and Pick 12 (From Melbourne)
Ottens set to join Geelong
By Jake Niall, Stephen Rielly
October 8, 2004
Brad Ottens heads to Geelong in a complicated trade deal.
Brad Ottens was poised to become a Geelong player last night in the culmination of a deal involving five clubs.
The key to the yet-to-be ratified deal was Melbourne obtaining Geelong's young midfielder Brent Moloney while Carlton arranged to swap first- and second-round draft picks, giving the Tigers the critical pick inside the draft's top 10 that they made an unconditional part of any Ottens trade.
Should the deal go ahead, as expected, the Tigers would get picks nine and 16 in return for Ottens, Melbourne would obtain Moloney, while, in exchange for picks nine and 25, Carlton receives picks 12, 20 and 36.
The Blues would also land Kangaroo Leigh Harding, while the Roos would receive Richmond's Ty Zantuck. The Kangaroos have already spoken to Zantuck, who has strong family connections with the club, at which his father Shane and uncle Arnold Briedis both played.
The most crucial portion of the deal, however, is Geelong's decision to forgo Moloney - whom the club regarded highly - to secure Melbourne's first-round draft pick (No. 12).
Once Geelong had shown a willingness to part with one of its fleet of capable young midfielders, the Ottens trade gathered momentum yesterday.
Moloney is understood to have accepted the trade, having reacted emotionally when an upset Mark Thompson informed him that he was earmarked as the sacrificial Cat.
If we trade for Troy that'll leave us with picks 1, 4, 9, 16 then a big jump to 52 :-\.
This is stuffed on every level if true. Surely pick 20 (or 36) isn't involved, or we must be getting something else from somewhere...(Geelong??) :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
If we trade for Troy that'll leave us with picks 1, 4, 9, 16 then a big jump to 52 :-\.
And the first pick in the PSD :thumbsup
This is stuffed on every level if true. Surely pick 20 (or 36) isn't involved, or we must be getting something else from somewhere...(Geelong??) :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Maybe pick 32 from Geelong? Would be great if we get it. Not the end of the world if we don't.
This is stuffed on every level if true. Surely pick 20 (or 36) isn't involved, or we must be getting something else from somewhere...(Geelong??) :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Maybe pick 32 from Geelong? Would be great if we get it. Not the end of the world if we don't.
I reckon they should cough that up at least to us otherwise we are giving away Ty for zip :(. The Cats are getting off lightly when you compare what they were initially offering of both picks 16 and 32 plus two players (Enright and Gardiner).
If we trade for Troy that'll leave us with picks 1, 4, 9, 16 then a big jump to 52 :-\.
And the first pick in the PSD :thumbsup
Yeah that's true John but is there any decent out-of-contract player left and can we afford them? ??? Seems everyone who wanted to be traded got their wish this time around.
I still think we've been stuffed over here, but oh well.
Hopefully we can trade for Bowden and Gilbee tomorrow, while offloading some scraps (Chaffey, Fiora ;D)
And didn't Hawthorn want Pettifer...pick 10 thanks :lol
If we trade for Troy that'll leave us with picks 1, 4, 9, 16 then a big jump to 52 :-\.
And the first pick in the PSD :thumbsup
Yeah that's true John but is there any decent out-of-contract player left and can we afford them? ??? Seems everyone who wanted to be traded got their wish this time around.
Doesn't seem to be any standouts does there... We'll just have to take Simmonds for free in that case ;D
Sorry, But i cant beleive that people are still upset at what we wil lbe getting back in return.
If a deal couldnt have been done, we would not have drafted him back in PSD.Therefore, we would get nothing for him.
And we all know he is a dud anyway
Why would you make someone play where they dont wont to be and there heart isnt in it.?
Any draft picks will benefit RFC and it will ease the salary cap situation as well. Wins all around for the RFC i say ;)
I'm not sure what's going on, but if we had gone with the original deal with Geelong, we would have got a couple of decent picks for Otto, which meant there would have been no losing pick 20 as we could have picked up Simmonds in PSD and shafted Freo in the process.
Now, this deal says we lose two players for 2 picks. I reckon this is the pits and Miller doesn't get a Mr Smiley stamp on his record this time.
Having said that, it's still a few hours to go and anything can happen.
Hey, these are the benefits.
We have moved on an underperforming player.
We are adjusted our salary cap accordingly.
We will have an extra selection in the first round of the draft. FANTASTIC!
We have sent the message to ALL players that they club isnt a MONEY COW anymore.
Now what picks were Daniel Jackson and Hartigan picked up in last years draft ::)
Hey, these are the benefits.
We have moved on an underperforming player.
We are adjusted our salary cap accordingly.
We will have an extra selection in the first round of the draft. FANTASTIC!
We have sent the message to ALL players that they club isnt a MONEY COW anymore.
Now what picks were Daniel Jackson and Hartigan picked up in last years draft ::)
Im with you Jackster, but I dont believe the deal is complete and there might yet be a surprise in it for us.
Glad were getting rid of 2 under achievers, I hope the loser mentality follows them!
Once Geelong had shown a willingness to part with one of its fleet of capable young midfielders, the Ottens trade gathered momentum yesterday.
Moloney is understood to have accepted the trade, having reacted emotionally when an upset Mark Thompson informed him that he was earmarked as the sacrificial Cat.
Huddo from SEN just mentioned that the five way deal has fallen thru at this stage. Currently the trade just involves us receiving picks 12 and 16 for Ottens. No trade for pick 9 or Zantuck yet.
Why give them 25? Stuff Freeo, I don't hate them, but why should the tigers be a charity organisation? :banghead Take Simmonds in the PSD & Draft Gilbee or P Bowden with a late pick in the draft.Once Geelong had shown a willingness to part with one of its fleet of capable young midfielders, the Ottens trade gathered momentum yesterday.
Moloney is understood to have accepted the trade, having reacted emotionally when an upset Mark Thompson informed him that he was earmarked as the sacrificial Cat.
Give me a break. Is it any wonder that Geelong hasn't been able to get any players for years. What a joke.
If we get picks 9, 16 & 25 - I;ll be happy because we get rid of Ottens and Zantuck. It also means we can only give Freo pick 25 for Simmonds seeing they are now desperate to trade for him because they want Black.
The dills at Freo should have taken pick 20 on Monday when they had the chance. :thumbsup
Why give them 25? Stuff Freeo, I don't hate them, but why should the tigers be a charity organisation? :banghead Take Simmonds in the PSD & Draft Gilbee or P Bowden with a late pick in the draft.
25 could pick up a very good player if we are lucky, S Black and Cogs were drafted in the twenties.
Any opinions?
Gilbee is under contract, so we can't draft him...We could trade a pick for Bowden and t=still take Simmonds in the PSD :shh :rollin
Gilbee is under contract, so we can't draft him...We could trade a pick for Bowden and t=still take Simmonds in the PSD :shh :rollin
I'd ratrher pick up Bowden for nothing :lol
Miller's persistance on a top 10 pick will backfire. We will get Jack pooh and won't have any time for any other deals. All that will happen is that we trade Ottens for pick 12 and 16 and thats ALL !!
If we give up pick 20 for Simmonds, then I'll spew unless he has someone like Salopek lined up for the PSD.
Might aswell keep Zantuck as Harding is a total gimp.
Miller's persistance on a top 10 pick will backfire. We will get Jack pooh and won't have any time for any other deals. All that will happen is that we trade Ottens for pick 12 and 16 and thats ALL !!
If we give up pick 20 for Simmonds, then I'll spew unless he has someone like Salopek lined up for the PSD.
Might aswell keep Zantuck as Harding is a total gimp.
How about Zantuck and pick 12 to Carlton for pick 9 and pick 41?
That would gve us 1, 4, 9, 16, 20, 36, 41, 52 as our first 8 picks :thumbsup
Miller's persistance on a top 10 pick will backfire. We will get Jack pooh and won't have any time for any other deals. All that will happen is that we trade Ottens for pick 12 and 16 and thats ALL !!
If we give up pick 20 for Simmonds, then I'll spew unless he has someone like Salopek lined up for the PSD.
Might aswell keep Zantuck as Harding is a total gimp.
How about Zantuck and pick 12 to Carlton for pick 9 and pick 41?
That would gve us 1, 4, 9, 16, 20, 36, 41, 52 as our first 8 picks :thumbsup
Well, now we're being held up by the Weagles. The Tyson Stenglein deal is still not official, so the pick 12 is sill not OFICIALLY available to trade with :banghead
Relax guys your going to get sore heads :sleep
All trades will be done by 2. Don't worry be happy Brad's out the door and anything we get for him is probably too much anyway. 8)
SEN - The paperwork is now going through :thumbsup
SEN - The paperwork is now going through :thumbsup
SEN - The paperwork is now going through :thumbsup
What's the picks MT. :thumbsup
Hawks trading pick 10 for pick 7, then sending thir pick 37 to WCE.
Chad Morrison to Collingwood
Ess and WB still trying to get something over the line...Whitnall perhaps
Nothing more for us excpet the paperwork...
Surely we got rid of Zantuck!?
Zantack deal failed by 30 seconds b/w us and Dons.
Miller went to the wrong room is the rumour :P
Surely we got rid of Zantuck!?
Don't think so Disco, but we won't know for about 1/2 hour I think
Zantack deal failed by 30 seconds b/w us and Dons
That deal between the hawks and the woods looks strange
Bloody Miller went to the wrong room :banghead :gobdrop
Zantuck still has a year to go Harry.
He has to stay.
Zantack deal failed by 30 seconds b/w us and Dons.Don't you wish they would all get along a bit better, stop trying to prove who has the biggest footballs?
Miller went to the wrong room is the rumour :P
And on Bo Nixon...I beleive mid-season there was a story that he would not play AFL football again due to health concerns (concussion from memory) :shh
so we have:
> Picks 1,4,12,16,20,36,52 <---7 in the first 4 rounds :cheers
> Simmonds :birthday
> Pre-Season Draft Pick 1 :bow
> Zantuck :help
so we lost:
> Slotthens :cheers
> Fiona :birthday :scream :bow :rollin :thumbsup
Where is he I thought he was in thailand?
Where is he I thought he was in thailand?