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Title: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 04, 2004, 08:47:58 PM
Trade Period: Day One tidbits
6:41:12 PM Mon 4 October, 2004
Matt Burgan
Sportal

Hawthorn skipper Shane Crawford appears likely to remain at Glenferrie, with Swans recruiting manager Rick Barham indicating that the 1999 Brownlow Medallist hadn't been discussed by Sydney at this stage of the exchange period.

Barham also believes Geelong is still the frontrunner for the services of Tigers' ruckman/forward Brad Ottens.

He also said there was plenty of interest in Swans' duo Jason Saddington and Nic Fosdike, but he was adamant the pair was not on the move.
 
"There has been a bit there (about Saddington and Fosdike). I keep reading that in the papers but I don't know where it's come from," Barham said.

Russell Robertson and Clint Bizzell are 'not on the table at all' according to Melbourne recruiting manager Craig Camerson.

"They haven't indicated to us that they want to leave the club. They want to stay at the club," Cameron said.

On midfielder Scott Thompson, who wants to return to South Australia, Cameron said Adelaide was 'very keen', while Port Adelaide had also shown 'an interest in him'.

Cameron said the Demons would be keen on Port Adelaide youngster Steven Salopek, but he added that getting him back to Victoria was unlikely.

"We'd be interested in Salopek, but I'm not sure they're that keen for him to leave and I don't know that Salopek wants to (come home) to Melbourne," Cameron said.

Cameron said Demons' duo Darren Jolly and Peter Walsh had also been discussed in deals.

"There's a little bit of action with Darren and there's a little bit of interest in Peter Walsh and not many clubs have spoken to us about Daniel Ward at this stage," Cameron said.

Cameron also said the Demons had shown some interest in Hawthorn's Lance Picioane, but not his teammate Angelo Lekkas, while he added that Travis Johnstone and Steven Armstrong wanted to remain at Melbourne.

West Coast coach John Worsfold was very strong on trying to attain Hawthorn vice-captain Nathan Thompson.

"We'd like to get him, but it's hard to say whether we will or not," Worsfold said.

"(We'll do) whatever it takes, but obviously with our first-round draft pick, which is up for offer, we're keen to deal with Adelaide, with Tyson Stenglein.

"A first-round pick is not enough for Adelaide, so we've got to come up with a fair bit better than that, (so it will be) another player or another pick. We don't want to miss out on both."

He added that talks were 'good' with Adelaide regarding Stenglein, while he said the club had not received many offers on Chad Morrison. But Worsfold said Daniel Kerr and David Wirrpunda were required players, while 'a lot of clubs have shown some interest' in Callum Chambers.

Heath Black has again attracted interest from Fremantle, which was confirmed from St Kilda recruiting manager John Beveridge.

"There's been a bit of indication that he might want to move. I don't know whether he strongly wants to go back. But we really wouldn't want to lose him. If it is any sort of a possibility, we need to be adequately compensated," Beveridge said.

Hawthorn football manager John Hook said stuff Jon Hay would remain at the club, while he added the Hawks were likely to off-load Picioane.

"There's some interest with Lance and we'll try and endevour to find a home for him," Hook said.

Hook also said if a deal was not good enough, Hawthorn would not trade Thompson.

Six-time Western Bulldogs best-and-fairest winner Scott West, Crawford and Picioane were not discussed by Essendon.

But Bombers' coach Kevin Sheedy said he didn't 'mind' Richmond defender/forward Ty Zantuck, while he added the Dons could help Geelong and Richmond in an Ottens deal.

Richmond director of football Greg Miller believes the Kangaroos have the upper hand for the services of Ottens.

"They're being very genuine in their attempt, but I would doubt that they would be able to secure it. (There is) some interest from a couple of other clubs, asking the question," Miller said.

"They're (Geelong) trying to trade with the Kangaroos, but at this stage the Kangaroos were the most emphatic. Collingwood were very silent on the matter."

He added that Nathan Thompson had not come up in Richmond's discussions.

Miller said they would like to 'get' Fremantle ruckman/forward Troy Simmonds and confirmed the club had spoken to the Dockers about luring him back to Victoria.

But Kangaroos coach Dean Laidley said the club was unlikely to get Ottens at this stage.

"Where does Greg Miller get that stuff from? In all honestly, I can tell you and look you in the eye, we're not. Guys, honestly, I reckon we're just about out of the race for Ottens. I can honestly tell you that."

But Fremantle said it was hoping to keep Simmonds, according to football manager Steven Icke, but the Dockers had received some interest in forward/midfielder Troy Longmuir.

"We've said a second round pick and we'll stick with that," Icke said on Longmuir, who wants to head to Richmond, according to his management.

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=173976
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: mightytiges on October 04, 2004, 08:59:57 PM
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But Bombers' coach Kevin Sheedy said he didn't 'mind' Richmond defender/forward Ty Zantuck, while he added the Dons could help Geelong and Richmond in an Ottens deal.

Surprise suprise .... Sheedy sniffing around for Ty ;)

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He (Miller)added that Nathan Thompson had not come up in Richmond's discussions.

Thank goodness for that!

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Miller said they would like to 'get' Fremantle ruckman/forward Troy Simmonds and confirmed the club had spoken to the Dockers about luring him back to Victoria.

Dockers don't have much choice other than to talk to us  :thumbsup


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But Fremantle said it was hoping to keep Simmonds, according to football manager Steven Icke, but the Dockers had received some interest in forward/midfielder Troy Longmuir.

"We've said a second round pick and we'll stick with that," Icke said on Longmuir, who wants to head to Richmond, according to his management.

Troy Longmuir  ???
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: Jackstar on October 04, 2004, 09:04:07 PM
Thats no surprise about Ty ;)
Will be a bomber ;)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: mightytiges on October 04, 2004, 09:11:50 PM
Sheedy loves his mongruel types. Sheeds see Ty as Paul Barnard Mark II.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 04, 2004, 09:35:43 PM
It was reported on Channel 7 news that Brad Ottens has refused to be traded to the Kangaroos - under no circumstances would Ottens go to the Roos.

guess what Brad you aint got many choices >:(
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 04, 2004, 09:41:47 PM
Thats no surprise about Ty ;)
Will be a bomber ;)

But do we get in return? Pick or player? Henneman?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: harry bosch on October 04, 2004, 09:44:59 PM
Hennerman? Please NOOOOOO

For all  his Faults Ty is a far better player(not hard i know)

Worst Nightmare = Hennerman and Longmuir playing for us...
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: JohnF on October 04, 2004, 09:57:19 PM
Can't we just send Ottens to his least favoured club? What does it mean that he doesn't want to go there? Does he have to go where we send him? LMFAOOOOO if he does. Send him to the stuffen Hawks or Bulldogs. stuff the prik!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: mightytiges on October 04, 2004, 10:13:56 PM
We can only trade Otto to a Club he agrees to go to. He's basically now demanding that we make a trade with the Cats or he'll put a massive price on his head and go to the Pies for nothing in the PSD.
Maybe Roos coach Laidley knew this already.

As for Sheeds. The Bombers want midfielders so maybe he's after someone like an Enright, Corey, etc.. and would be willing to give up their first pick if we chuck in Zantuck as well.

Geelong lose pick 16, player(s)/picks ; gain Ottens
Essendon lose pick 13; gain, Geelong player(s)/picks and Ty
Richmond gain #13, #16.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: JohnF on October 04, 2004, 10:32:41 PM
If Geelong don't front up with two first roundrs I say we keep him, pay him 500k grand and make him sit on the bench at Coburg and be given direct orders to be ignored by all the playing group. Torture the A-hole! (500k isn't much of a punishment, but being alienated and derided at every opportunity by his peers will make him feel like schit. ROFLFMAOOOO@the thought of it!)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 05, 2004, 12:04:20 AM
I'm beginning to remember why I hated Geelong for most of the nineties as well...their supporters are grade-A hicks and idiots :banghead
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 12:18:33 AM
Trades - Your Club
realfooty.theage.com.au
October 5, 2004

The Tigers lead the race for homesick Fremantle ruckman/forward Troy Simmonds, who looms as an ideal replacement for Brad Ottens. Ottens wants to leave Punt Road and has nominated Geelong as his preferred club. Richmond football manager Greg Miller said Simmonds was a "suitable type of player to replace Brad". Essendon became the first club to show interest in Ty Zantuck, who also wants a fresh start.

Kevin Sheedy said he was interested in Richmond's Ty Zantuck, after learning that the Tigers would accept a draft pick "down the line a bit" for the defender. Sheedy said the Bombers could be the third club that gets Brad Ottens to Geelong, and that the only players Essendon would be letting go were kids searching for greater opportunity elsewhere.

The Dockers will try to convince Troy Simmonds to stay, rejecting Richmond's offer of a draft pick for the ruckman-forward.

Geelong is still in the race for Richmond ruckman Brad Ottens, who has nominated the Cats as his preferred club. But Tigers football manager Greg Miller was giving nothing away yesterday, saying the Kangaroos had edged ahead of the Cats on day one. "Geelong are doing the best they can, but at this stage I still think the Kangaroos have got the best offer on the table, which is pick 10 and something else in the first round," Miller said. "Geelong are trying their hardest to get under that, trying to do a deal with a club below (pick) 10 . . . but I doubt that they'll be able to secure it."

Kangaroos coach Dean Laidley scoffed at suggestions from Richmond that the Roos were in front position to secure Brad Ottens. "Honestly, we are just about out of the race for Ottens," said Laidley. "It is just not going to happen."

Sydney Coach Paul Roos conceded that the scarcity of early picks up for trade meant the Swans would find it difficult to offer Richmond a suitable deal for Brad Ottens.

Bulldog Lindsay Gilbee has already asked to be traded and there is also speculation Patrick Bowden could be reunited with his brother Joel - and former coach Terry Wallace - at Richmond.

http://realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/04/1096871819009.html
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 05, 2004, 08:14:51 AM
Dean Laidley was on SEN this morning and suggested that the Ottens deal was about done with Geelong and said he wouldn't be surprised if it is finalised by 12.00pm today. He also said that he was not prepared to give up one of his younge "star" players for Ottens ;)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: Harry on October 05, 2004, 10:12:07 AM
We can only trade Otto to a Club he agrees to go to. He's basically now demanding that we make a trade with the Cats or he'll put a massive price on his head and go to the Pies for nothing in the PSD.
Maybe Roos coach Laidley knew this already.

As for Sheeds. The Bombers want midfielders so maybe he's after someone like an Enright, Corey, etc.. and would be willing to give up their first pick if we chuck in Zantuck as well.

Geelong lose pick 16, player(s)/picks ; gain Ottens
Essendon lose pick 13; gain, Geelong player(s)/picks and Ty
Richmond gain #13, #16.

Agree mighty.

The crafty Sheedy is sniffing around - he is the master of 3rd party dealings and usually always comes out on top.  He is after some pace and will ask for Wojcinski along with Zantuck for their first pick.  If the cats can throw a player like Enright our way along with picks 13 and 16, then I would take the deal.  Otherwise I would hold off and see if the cats can get pick 7 for us off the maggots.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: Disco on October 05, 2004, 10:38:05 AM
Lets hope the deal is done and dusted today, the sooner brad and zantuck are off our list the better!

Go sheed's! :thumbsup

Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: Bulluss on October 05, 2004, 12:41:09 PM
A mate of mine emailed me that the deal is Zantuck and a pick for Mark Bolton.

Dont know if it has any truth or not.

Bolton isnt too bad, probably depends on the pick that we give.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 05, 2004, 12:47:06 PM
A mate of mine emailed me that the deal is Zantuck and a pick for Mark Bolton.


Works for me  ;D Bye bye Ty ;D :thumbsup

Mark Bolton - 194 cm,  88 kg,   3/04/1979
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 05, 2004, 12:54:21 PM
BigFooty has a thread saying a 3 way for Ottens (and Zantuck) is almost done...apparently mentioned on SEN??

Richmond Lose: Ottens and Zantuck
Richmond Gain: Picks 14,16, 32

Geelong Gain: Ottens
Geelong Lose: Picks 16, 32 and Wojinski

Essendon Gain: Wojinski and Zantuck
Essendon Lose: Pick 14

Anyone heard this?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 05, 2004, 12:55:23 PM
BigFooty has a thread saying a 3 way for Ottens (and Zantuck) is almost done...apparently mentioned on SEN??

Richmond Lose: Ottens and Zantuck
Richmond Gain: Picks 14,16, 32

Geelong Gain: Ottens
Geelong Lose: Picks 16, 32 and Wojinski

Essendon Gain: Wojinski and Zantuck
Essendon Lose: Pick 14

Anyone heard this?

Yeah Fwoy - MT posted the same on the Ottens in Demand thread.

Could we use pick 16 to get Simmonds?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 12:57:58 PM
Could we use pick 16 to get Simmonds?

We hold the upper hand as he can walk to us for nothing into the PSD. I don't reckon he's worth a first rounder. Maybe a second and a player (Fiora  ;D).
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 05, 2004, 01:00:43 PM
We hold the upper hand as he can walk to us for nothing into the PSD. I don't reckon he's worth a first rounder. Maybe a second and a
player (Fiora  ;D).

Nah - make it Chaffey first and you got a deal :rollin
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: Disco on October 05, 2004, 01:00:56 PM
why not make it perfect and offer both Chaffey and Fiora! :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 05, 2004, 01:02:49 PM
why not make it perfect and offer both Chaffey and Fiora! :thumbsup

 :rollin :rollin

I was just trying to play hardball Disco - but if you insist Fiora and Chaffey it is :thumbsup
Title: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 01:08:00 PM
Just reported on SEN news

Richmond gain picks 14, 16, 2nd rounder; lose Otto, Zantuck

Geelong gain Otto; lose picks 16, 32, player, another pick

Essendon gain Zantuck, player, pick; lose pick 14


Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 05, 2004, 01:09:38 PM
MT -  Any idea which Geelong player has been traded to make way for Brad's wallet - 
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 01:12:01 PM
MT -  Any idea which Geelong player has been traded to make way for Brad's wallet - 

They didn't say WP. They also didn't say where the pick to the Bombers comes from. I presumed it was from the Cats.
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 05, 2004, 01:16:57 PM
I thought it said ALMOST official...
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 05, 2004, 01:18:37 PM
There was a post earlier on bigfooty about this deal and the extra pick to the bombers was supposed to be our pick 36 or something, I hope it isn't.
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 05, 2004, 01:20:11 PM
Can't we just throw Blumfield in as well?  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Disco on October 05, 2004, 01:25:49 PM
I hope this isnt the done deal!

I would have thought we could squeeze alittle more for Otto and zantuck combined?
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 01:30:11 PM
I thought it said ALMOST official...

They said ALMOST before the news but not in the news IIRC.

If we have to give up anymore we are giving up too much and Master Sheeds has done it again. The first round picks are late ones when we wanted a top 10.
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: om21 on October 05, 2004, 01:33:26 PM
Im not that happy......while Im glad to see the back of those two 'kreata' (translation: pieces of meat or useless) then we could have snared a Top 10 pick. Ohhh well just shows their true value I guess.......

Duds.......get out......
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 05, 2004, 01:34:58 PM
Agreed MT, The pick better not be ours, the deals bad enough as it is.

Sheedy, what can you say, he looks like he may have done it again.
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 05, 2004, 01:37:25 PM
Can't we just throw Blumfield in as well?  :thumbsup

I'd rather we gave them blumfield than a pick, yes.
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Harry on October 05, 2004, 01:40:09 PM
I'd be most peeed off if this deal goes through.  We have to get at leat a top ten pick plus another first rounder for Ottens.......no 2 ways about it.  We gave away picks 6 and 20 for Brown last year FFS !!!, or does Miller have a short memory.  

Gaining pick 32 for Zantuck is also a bad deal, he would be worth more in a player/player swap....probably could have used him to secure Jolly or Simmonds.

Not happy, and yet again Sheedy shows all the amatures how its done.

Miller, you're not earning your keep mate !!
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 05, 2004, 01:45:53 PM
Send him to the PSD i say, I'd rather that than a half deal
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Disco on October 05, 2004, 01:51:31 PM
I say get rid of sheedy and deal exclusively with the cats!

Top 10 pick and 16 as well as 32 then we might be talking...

Zantuck for 30.
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 02:05:48 PM
News now says the above deal is speculation  ::).
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 05, 2004, 02:20:40 PM
Looks like this will be the trade:

Richmond Gain: Pick 14, 16, 30
Richmond Lose: Ottens, Zantuck

Geelong Gain: Ottens
Geelong Lose: Pick 16, 32, Wojinski

Essendon Gain: Zantuck, Wojinski, pick 32
Essendon Lose: Pick 14, 30

Not confirmed of course  :help
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 02:21:21 PM
You may be right fwoy.

Wish they hurry up  ;D
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: harry bosch on October 05, 2004, 02:23:29 PM
I say get rid of sheedy and deal exclusively with the cats!

Top 10 pick and 16 as well as 32 then we might be talking...

Zantuck for 30.

How will they get a top ten pick for us?
They have listed about 15 of their players as untouchable so their
is no way they can get a top ten pick unless that attitude changes


I would love a top  ten pick but i can't see how we can get it ,
only chance is if sydney get desperate enough for otto and
give one of their top liners away for one..
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 05, 2004, 02:23:03 PM
You may be right fwoy.

Wish they hurry up  ;D

Tell me about it! I have to go to work in an hour...no time to sit on the computer :banghead :scream
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 05, 2004, 02:26:22 PM
Good, hopefully we can do a little better than that deal.
Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: Disco on October 05, 2004, 02:32:33 PM
I say get rid of sheedy and deal exclusively with the cats!

Top 10 pick and 16 as well as 32 then we might be talking...

Zantuck for 30.

How will they get a top ten pick for us?
They have listed about 15 of their players as untouchable so their
is no way they can get a top ten pick unless that attitude changes

If we dont deal with sydney we may find ourselves in a trade war with them for saddington, difficult to say seems like they might come in with a late deal whch will include that prized top 10 deal! :thumbsup

I would love a top  ten pick but i can't see how we can get it ,
only chance is if sydney get desperate enough for otto and
give one of their top liners away for one..

Title: Re: Otto, Zantuck deal done
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 03:08:07 PM
No mention of any trades in the 3pm news  :-\.

As this deal is back to being just speculation, I'll merge this thread with trade tidbits one.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Tiger Spirit on October 05, 2004, 03:21:19 PM
Looks like this will be the trade:

Richmond Gain: Pick 14, 16, 30

Clubs seem less likely to want to trade away their high draft picks these days.  And the only way we’re likely to get two Round 1 picks for Otto is to have them that high.

If we get say a pick 7 the chances are that we will only get one Round 1 pick, plus some later picks thown in for Otto.

This way, if we get 14 and 16 (two round 1 picks) plus pick 30, that’s about as good a deal as Clubs are likely to do and is more of a win I reckon.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 05, 2004, 03:52:53 PM
Agree TS.

picks 14, 16, 30 for two underachievers sounds good to me!

If we pick up one good player from these three picks we will break off even with losing Brad Notthens (who had no influence on the game whatsoever) and Ty Xanadu (who was a wanna be bad boy thug who showed nothing)

Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 05, 2004, 04:53:33 PM
Sounds like the swans are going hard after Adelaides pick 8.

Pick 8 and the swans first round pick for Ottens.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Disco on October 05, 2004, 04:57:33 PM
pick 7 or 8!!

Now were talking!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 05, 2004, 05:00:32 PM
Pick 8, the Maggots have pick 7
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 05:02:24 PM
No news on Otto and Zantuck  :P.

Roos have given up their first and second pick for Nathan Thomson :o so they're definitely out of the race for Otto.

Rumour has the Swans making one last play towards the Crows' pick 8 in exchange for Fosdike (South Aussie) and Doyle to get Otto (can't see that happening). Looks like its the Cats or PSD.

The other rumour is Whitnall to the Saints.





Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 05, 2004, 05:03:32 PM
Pick 7 or 8 will get us one of Lewis, Roughead or Monfries.

C'mon Swannies !!

Picks 8 and 15 would be great.

Considering Thompson went to the the roos for picks 10 and 26, we should realistically be aiming for this.

North are out of their minds BTW.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 05, 2004, 05:06:52 PM
I agree, North completely out of their minds, but considering the fact that Thompson is already out of his mind perphaps he's gone to the right place :lol

Swans comming with a late run, lets hope they make it :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 05, 2004, 05:08:45 PM
Mark Williams has said that he won't make a deal with Carr and will let him go into the PSD.  Do we take him with our first pick ?  Maybe for 1 year and then take Freo's first rounder next year ?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 05:13:32 PM
Mark Williams has said that he won't make a deal with Carr and will let him go into the PSD.  Do we take him with our first pick ?  Maybe for 1 year and then take Freo's first rounder next year ?

That's an idea Harry. If we trade for Simmonds then we'll have our PSD available.  Probably get him to play on the cheap if we promise him 1 year then send him off to Freo. If there wasn't anyone else decent available in the PSD then I would go for it.

Alternatively get his brother over ;D.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: harry bosch on October 05, 2004, 05:14:27 PM
what about Carltons pick? Pagan likes picking up players from other clubs. I wonder if the swans have tried to get thier pick?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 05, 2004, 05:16:36 PM
Mark Williams has said that he won't make a deal with Carr and will let him go into the PSD.  Do we take him with our first pick ?  Maybe for 1 year and then take Freo's first rounder next year ?

I don't think Carr will get into the PSD. If freo can't come up with th deal Carr will re-sign with port.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 05:27:27 PM
what about Carltons pick? Pagan likes picking up players from other clubs. I wonder if the swans have tried to get thier pick?


The Blues want to keep their first pick after not having one the past couple of years due to their salary cap cheating.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 05:35:11 PM
The Geelong players rumoured to be up for trade in the Otto/Zantuck deal are Wojcinski and Mooney.

Sheeds will be laughing if he had Mooney at CHB. He knows the Dons aren't too far away. Wouldn't mind picking up a 25 year old CHB at Tigerland if we weren't rebuilding  :-\.


Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 05, 2004, 06:10:00 PM

Roos have given up their first and second pick for Nathan Thomson :o


 :gobdrop  Insane!!!!!

Why do clubs rate duds just becuase they are tall  ???

I would have second thoughts about giving up only a second round pick for Thompson if my team was on the cusp of a premiership!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 06:40:11 PM
North are making every mistake we made the past 10 years. Finishing 9th/10th and trading away their top picks thinking an experienced player will scrape them into the finals.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: harry bosch on October 05, 2004, 06:43:16 PM
North are making every mistake we made the past 10 years. Finishing 9th/10th and trading away their top picks thinking an experienced player will scrape them into the finals.


Agreed , i think thommo turns 27 next year so that makes it even more strange.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 05, 2004, 09:25:12 PM
Agreed , i think thommo turns 27 next year so that makes it even more strange.

Correct Harry B - Thompson is 27 in February.

If he is wroth picks 10 & 26 then Ottens has to be worth a top 10 pick and one in the late teens.

Title: Cats clear cut favourites to land Ottens
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 09:38:46 PM
You're not Greg Miller in disguise are you WP?  :thumbsup  ;D

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Cats clear cut favourites to land Ottens
5:39:39 PM Tue 5 October, 2004
afl.com.au

With Nathan Thompson now joining the Kangaroos, Geelong has emerged as the clear frontrunner to land Richmond's Ottens but that deal is still far from certain to happen before Friday's 2pm trade deadline.

Richmond football operations manager Greg Miller told Sportal on Tuesday that the Roos' decision to give up picks ten and 26 for Thompson made the Tigers even more determined to get two first round picks for Ottens - including one in the first ten.

"As good as Nathan Thompson is, Brad Ottens is two years younger than him and is an All-Australian player (in 2001, unlike Thompson)," Miller said.

However the only way the Tigers are likely to get a top ten pick for Ottens is if Collingwood agree to give their pick seven to Geelong, which would in turn give that pick and its own first pick at number 16 to the Tigers for Ottens.

But Collingwood will only give that pick to the Cats if Geelong agree to give them one of James Kelly, James Bartel and Kane Tenace.

However all three players are regarded as "untouchable" by Cats' coach Mark Thompson.

One possible scenario that emerged on Tuesday was Ottens getting to Geelong as part of a three way deal involving Essendon.

Under the deal the Cats would get Ottens and Essendon would get Richmond defender Ty Zantuck and Geelong runner David Wojcinski while the Tigers would get Essendon's first pick and Geelong's first pick.

However Miller said that while that would mean the Tigers would get two first round picks in exhange for Ottens those picks would be selections 14 and 16 with Miller adamant any trade for Ottens must include one pick being in the top 10.

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=174066
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 05, 2004, 09:52:21 PM
Ottens to Geelong
Zantuck, Wojcinski and Blumfield to Essendon
Picks 14, 16, 32 and a fourth round pick from Essendon would do us fine  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Crumden on October 05, 2004, 10:00:25 PM
Latest rumuor has Geelong using Chapman (and possibly Wojinski) to get the skunks pick 7, either directly or via Melbourne with Travis Johnstone on the the skunks.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 05, 2004, 11:02:08 PM
After the Stenglein trade today, the Dees now have first round picks #12 and #13. 
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 06, 2004, 12:31:56 AM
Trade News
By Jake Niall, Stephen Rielly
realfooty.theage.com.au
October 6, 2004

Simmonds is a fait accompli to join Richmond, having committed to join the Tigers, via the pre-season draft if necessary.

Essendon is attempting to obtain Geelong's gifted young midfielder Kane Tenace through trading Mark Johnson (whose brother David plays for the Cats) and its first draft choice No. 14 to Geelong - which would then use that choice as part of its Brad Ottens package. Richmond, however, has made it clear it is not interested in a pick above 10.

http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/10/05/1096949508638.html
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Puntroadroar on October 06, 2004, 01:22:43 AM
FFS this ottens talk is starting to really give me the $hits!  >:(


Getting to a stage where I'd tell em all to stuff off, Ottens aswell!!!!

let the sod end up at Hawthorn. We arent going to get what we want for Brad, the only 2 teams under 10 willing to part or likely to part with their picks is Collingwood and Adelaide and ofcourse Geelong has their 38 untouchables players  ::)
Title: Otto to Carlton?
Post by: mightytiges on October 06, 2004, 02:08:12 AM
Feeling a touch the same way PRR. Geelong want to trade but don't want to give up anything of quality  :banghead.

Anyway Otto could end up at the Blues according to the Australian if Whitnall goes to the Saints.

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If Whitnall is traded to the Saints, Carlton could come out of left field to put itself in a position to hijack a trade deal with Richmond for Brad Ottens.

Carlton could be in possession of two first-round selections, No.9 and No.17, which could leave it best placed to satisfy Richmond's minimum requirement to trade ruckman Ottens.

Richmond confirmed yesterday it would trade Ottens to Carlton for its picks despite Ottens' preference to be traded to either Sydney or Geelong.

Neither the Swans nor the Cats have been able to satisfy the Tigers by trading into a selection from another club inside the top 10.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10983848%255E2722,00.html

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Never thought I would say this but Go Blues  ;D  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Otto to Carlton?
Post by: JohnF on October 06, 2004, 02:31:32 AM

Richmond confirmed yesterday it would trade Ottens to Carlton for its picks despite Ottens' preference to be traded to either Sydney or Geelong.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10983848%255E2722,00.html


Can we do this? Is so bring the Hawks, Bulldogs and Blues into the mix. stuff his wants!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 06, 2004, 03:07:04 AM
Do it!  ;D

Oh, and JohnF, we need sound effects for your avatar now  :lol
Title: Tezza on SEN Wednesday morning (6/10/04)
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 06, 2004, 08:50:05 AM
Well while stuck in traffic I was able to listen to Tezza was on SEN this morning.

In summary:

Ottens: The Club has made it clear they want 2 first round picks and one must be in the top 10. We will not budge on this - if a deal canot be done we will re-draft him in the PSD - as per the rules. Said there had been a lot of talk about Ottens but no action ::)

PSD: We have not committed to anyone in the PSD - this is because the Ottens deal is not done - they have to keep pick 1 in the pSD free in case they need to use it on Judas oops I meant Brad. Tezza also said that the rumour by Deep Throat this morning that the Tigers had committed to take Joel Smith in the PSD  :o was totally incorrect

Ty Zantuck: said no deal had been done and would only be done if it benefitted the Tigers. Praised and took an indiret swipe at Ottens when he said that Ty had the guts at thier first meeting to say he wanted to leave - at least he didn't send in his managers - touche Tezza  :rollin :thumbsup

Simmonds: wasn't mentioned.

Steve McKee: confirmed that he had spoken to Mckee. Non commital on whether we would try and trade for him - hinted may invite him to do pre-season training and take it from there.

On Assistant coaches: said that we currently had 2 assistants, Royal & Wheadon. Pointed out that people keeping forgetting about Dave Wheadon - who Tezza has kept fromt he previous coaching panel :thumbsup. Siad they are still looking at another person - didn't say if they'd be full time or part time. Confirmed that David King (ex Roos) was on a short list of 4

Onya Tezza  :bow :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: froars on October 06, 2004, 09:59:13 AM
Quote
Steve McKee: confirmed that he had spoken to Mckee. Non commital on whether we would try and trade for him - hinted may invite him to do pre-season training and take it from there.

Is this some sick joke lol.  No thanks!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Disco on October 06, 2004, 10:17:05 AM
There was also talk of Gilbee & Bowden?

Lets dump Brad and Zantuck and get on with the business of drafting players that want to be at Tigerland!

looks as if we wont have enough time to satisfy other deals that might be in the offering.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 06, 2004, 11:47:17 AM
There was also talk of Gilbee & Bowden?

They weren't mentioned ither. Tezza was asked about who we'd take in the draft with pick 1. Non-commital there as well, said they had "narrowed it down" after meeting the players last week and sepaking to families but would keep their cards close to their chests ;D

Steve McKee:
Is this some sick joke lol. No thanks!

Err....... no joke Froars - we have to do something about our ruck stocks - seeing we de-listed Marsh ;D
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 06, 2004, 12:23:39 PM
Granted we need to get ruckman but McKee is now useless due to the current ruck rules. That's why the Pies are getting rid of him.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Bulluss on October 06, 2004, 12:47:18 PM
I dont know why we dont go for Tenace and Geelongs first pick.

There are posts all over the net about us getting Collingwoods pick 7 which they would give up for Tenace or another Geelong player. From the rumours on the radio it looks like Tenace, he is only a first year player and has plenty of pace and skill.

Lets just cut Collingwood out of the deal and take Tenace.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Disco on October 06, 2004, 01:56:07 PM
Im with you Bully, Lets cut scumwood out of the deal and take Tenance ourselves, he's showed plenty of promise.

Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 06, 2004, 01:59:14 PM
With Tenace, are you allowed to trade young draftees in the middle of their initial basic 2-year contract? Is it only with the player's permission?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 06, 2004, 03:48:12 PM
SEN has just said:

Otto: Won't be done until tomorrow night at the earliest and more likely to go down to the wire :-\. Adelaide and Carlton have taken their first picks off the table. Leaving only Pies (#7) and Hawthorn (#10) left if we want a top 10 pick (use it to get a young ruckman). Geelong won't give up a quality player  ::).

Simmonds: Still a bit of water under the bridge to go. Still more likely he'll come to us (we've offered 4 years) but Freo making a hard play to keep him. We're willing to give up our second pick (#20) as we think we'll pick up another 2nd rounder in another trade.

Zantuck: Most likely traded but no new info on him. Dees said no. Bombers of course interested.

Whitnall on $500K next year  :o so the Blues are expected to still pay $200K of his salary  if the Saints agree to take them.

Thankfully no interest in McGough or Shaw  :thumbsup.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 06, 2004, 03:53:35 PM
What's the point of waiting till the deadline.  Do a deal and get it over with and get onto the next one.  Too many clubs are way too conservative.  This whole trade week is overated - it should be called the trade hour and have it on friday, as 95% of the trades are done then where clubs are scrambling with paperwork and faxes before the deadline.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: froars on October 06, 2004, 04:01:54 PM
Quote
What's the point of waiting till the deadline.
Agree Harry, this should have been done on the first day.
If you consider how we rate Ottens, and that's not much, i thought Geelong offered us a pretty good deal.
We'll get shafted for sure and we'll probably deserve it!
Tenace and a first round pick should do it IMO if we get a chance!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: harry bosch on October 06, 2004, 04:09:18 PM
So i am not the only one who thought 14,16 and 32 was a fair deal..

Why is it so many supporters of ours bag our players all year yet come trade
time are disappointed when clubs don't offer too much for them?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 06, 2004, 04:14:43 PM
A caller asked about Gilbee and so far a trade involving him hasnt been on the radar.

Nothing about Tenace.

Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: froars on October 06, 2004, 04:15:56 PM
No, not the only one, Harry.  Ottens doesn't have the runs on the board except one All Australian award.
Since then he has been injured for a couple of seasons, and while injuries prevent sometimes good form, others have managed to at least show something - he's shown nothing, as agreed with by the umpires when he got no votes.
He's never won a game off his own boot, his ruck work is very suspect, yet because we have this power at the moment, we want everything.  I would be surprised if they came to a deal with Geelong - because i think they acted in good faith with their offer and think why cause so much disharmony to their club by splitting up their group.
Good luck to them, but if we don't start negotiating instead of blackmailing, we'll get eff all!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 06, 2004, 04:20:57 PM
For the first time Clubs meet up again on Friday (just like the first day of trade week) to avoid the late rush of paperwork and faxes.

We want a top 10 pick to get a young ruckman/tall such as Cameron Wood. We're afraid they won't be around by the time a mid-teen pick comes around.

Just to answer my own question - Tenace can be traded provided he agrees.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 06, 2004, 04:35:03 PM

Good luck to them, but if we don't start negotiating instead of blackmailing, we'll get eff all!

I have no problem with what they are trying to do. As I said yesterday if Thompson can go for picks 10 & 26 then Ottens is worth a top 10 and pick 16. Geelong want Ottens but are not prepared to give up anything decent in return. If they really want him then they have to give up something decent and that means a player.

If Judas oops I mean Ottens had of agreed to go to North this would probably be a mute point. He wants to go on his terms - guess what he goes on ours  >:( IMO

Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 06, 2004, 04:36:34 PM
I think they are doing well by not budging. The last thing we want to do is undersell ourselves. There is plenty of time in the last hour of Friday to take the deal Geelong are offering. Until then we have to try and maximise what we can get. In all honesty, for what I think he's worth, I would be reluctant to give a first round draft pick and nothing else for Ottens' services! That we have clubs talking in the ball park of two first rounders must be considered a victory.

We will win on this deal, even if we have to accept something like pick 16, 32 and a player.

As to Freo, they will be schitting themselves bigtime as soon as the Ottens deal goes through. They'll be begging for pick 20 come the last hour on Friday.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 06, 2004, 04:43:52 PM
Agree John. With Thomson going to the Roos and Simmonds wanting to come to us if the Cats don't cough up then they don't get the big man they need. Make them sweat to Friday. If we can't get that top 10 pick and think the 14,16,32 deal is ok then we can take it up at the last minute.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 06, 2004, 04:47:00 PM
A thought that has just popped into my head.  If we can mend the bridges with Ottens and persuade him to stay on AND we get Simmonds in the psd for nothing, then all of a sudden we would have a lethal ruck/forward line.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 06, 2004, 04:51:35 PM
A thought that has just popped into my head.  If we can mend the bridges with Ottens and persuade him to stay on AND we get Simmonds in the psd for nothing, then all of a sudden we would have a lethal ruck/forward line.

True HarryH - They reckon we offered Freo pick 20 for Simmonds - by Friday Freo will take that deal - actually they should take it now. Unless of course they want Fiora or Chaffey as part of the deal. Then we should take the deal :help
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 06, 2004, 05:10:57 PM
I don't know why we would throw pick 20 at Freo for Simmonds when we have them bent over.  Pick 20 is a bloody good pick and is virtually a first rounder.  It gives us access to another u18 all australian.  We got Cogs at 25 FFS, and our first pick last year was at 21 !!   Just because we have a few early picks, lets not just throw away our other picks willy nilly.

IMO having numerous picks in the 20's and 30's is just as important than the early ones.  Geelong rebuilt its list with mid to early range picks and we need to stock up as many as we can get. 

This is why I would settle for picks 16, 32 and an early second rounder (say 21 or 22) for Ottens.  We need to think depth !!  We need to think long term.  We are not just 2 or 3 quality young players away from being a good side.  We are some 12 -15 good players away.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 06, 2004, 05:13:35 PM
Agree Harry. I'd rather give them Chaffey and Fiora than pick 20. Freo were mad to say no.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 06, 2004, 05:20:18 PM
But I wouldn't think we would take it up MT. If we don't get the top ten and an additional 1 st rounder It will be straight to the PSD for Mr Ottens. Miller won't back down from here and I wouldn't expect him to (unless pick 7 goes elswhere and gets taken off the table as has been done with 6,8,9 and 10)  in fact I would be quite shocked if he did. Either get what we want or send him to the PSD, I have no problem with that.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fishfinger on October 06, 2004, 07:16:23 PM
According to Sportal the Bulldogs have said they would trade pick 6 and Gilbee for Ottens if a deal with Geelong is not done.

http://http://www.sportal.com.au/football.asp?i=news&id=57232
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 06, 2004, 08:06:21 PM
According to Sportal the Bulldogs have said they would trade pick 6 and Gilbee for Ottens if a deal with Geelong is not done.

Chuck in their second pick (22) and it's a deal. If that's too much then add Ty, Chaffey or Fiora to the equation. That would give us picks 1,4,6,20,22  :thumbsup

Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fishfinger on October 06, 2004, 08:51:20 PM
That would give us picks 1,4,6,20,22  :thumbsup


MT I think it's likely we'll send pick 20 to Freo for Simmonds, as originally offered. Freo should accept rather than lose him for nothing.
That would leave us still holding the ace in the Ottens negotiations in the form of PSD pick 1. Geelong and Sydney would then know that Ottens will be going nowhere without compensation acceptable to Richmond. I think they would up their offer.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Puntroadroar on October 07, 2004, 12:56:20 AM
If Richmond play the stubborn act for Ottens and we lose him for nothing then this club has well and truely gone down the $hitter.

And if we are forced to redraft Ottens with the 1st pick in the PSD then it will confirm to me that we are a joke.

This whole thing is starting to get up my nose.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: froars on October 07, 2004, 04:31:11 AM
Agree entirely PRR - forced to redraft Ottens and lose out everywhere else - and then in the end be left with a player on our list we didn't rate - who didn't want to play for us - and at what cost!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Jackstar on October 07, 2004, 05:46:38 AM
dont panic, a deal will be done ;)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fishfinger on October 07, 2004, 06:45:39 AM
I agree Jackstar. It would be the best outcome for all parties.
I also think that if a deal is not done Ottens will realise he is staying at Richmond and re-sign before the PSD. Not ideal, but if Freo accept pick 20 for Simmonds it would mean we'd have Simmonds, Ottens and still hold PSD pick 1.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Bulluss on October 07, 2004, 08:33:14 AM
Chris Connelly was on SEN this morning and he was saying they are very keen to get Heath Black back from the Saints.

It has been reported that the Saints would be happy to recieve a early pick around 20 for him.

It is plain and simple

Simmonds to Richmond

Black to Freo; and

Pick 20 to Saints.

Pick 1 free for whoever has a fall out
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Disco on October 07, 2004, 10:00:08 AM
I agree Jackstar. It would be the best outcome for all parties.
I also think that if a deal is not done Ottens will realise he is staying at Richmond and re-sign before the PSD. Not ideal, but if Freo accept pick 20 for Simmonds it would mean we'd have Simmonds, Ottens and still hold PSD pick 1.

What a scenario this would be!!

Miller might yet weave his magic, although Notto needs to come to his senses...

I hope something can be done with Gilbee and Bowden.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: om21 on October 07, 2004, 10:16:16 AM
Pick 6 and Gilbee for Otto.....................


WHERE DO WE SIGN?

Can we just pee this bloke off once and for all?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: H Tiger on October 07, 2004, 10:51:28 AM
Love to sign off on pick 6 and gillbee  :cheers ..........but I don't think ottens will go to the Dogs :banghead.....so send him to the cats for two picks in the top twenty and take pick 20 off the table taking Simmons in the PSD. This tiger fans gives us 5 out of the top twenty kids in the country this draft, the competition between the young guys will send us up the ladder in a few years

What do you think? Can we come last again next year? The next Chris Judd and Reiwolt would be nice
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Tiger Spirit on October 07, 2004, 11:14:01 AM
Hi H Tiger, it seems that Ottens wants either the Cats or Swans.  Doubt any other Clubs come into real contention.

5 picks in the first 20 is a real positive, no doubt. :thumbsup

With TW being so competitive, I doubt we will come last again next season. Wouldn’t expect too much from the next season or two, would just be hoping for a more competitive team, but if the recruiters know what they are doing, there are other ways to re-build a team without needing to finish last.

Imo, second and third round picks are just as important as any earlier picks.  Having a Judd/Riewoldt is good, but Premiership teams tend to have an even spread of players (i.e. depth), because the superstars aren’t going to do it on their own.  They can lift those around them, but as we know, without enough players with ‘footy smarts’, the top line players can easily be negated by the opposition.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 07, 2004, 11:51:10 AM
This is from this mornings Australian. Interesting to say the least

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http://theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10994136%255E2722,00.html

Bombers, Cats eye Ottens
Greg Denham
October 07, 2004

OFF-CONTRACT Port Adelaide midfielder Josh Carr last night was somewhere west of Adelaide, but still a fair way east of Perth, as at least one other club attempted to buy into his swap to Fremantle.

Carr's future may depend on negotiations by Power and Geelong, which is attempting to enter into the previously independent trade deal in a bid to gain the highly sought-after Brad Ottens from Richmond.

Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy also said last night the Bombers were keen to secure Ottens, despite being warned off by Ottens' management, who reinforced the ruckman's desire to continue his career with Sydney or Geelong.

But so far the Swans have failed to mount a challenge that would satisfy Richmond.

Sheedy said Essendon had offered its first pick, No.14, and Mark Bolton in a deal to Richmond that could also involve the Bombers gaining out-of-favour Tiger Ty Zantuck.

But negotiations will continue today between the Tigers and the Kangaroos for a straight swap of Zantuck and Roos forward Leigh Harding.


Port rejected the Dockers' initial offer for Carr of national draft selections 11 and 27, but the Power would consider the same picks and promising young Fremantle player Ryley Dunn as part of the deal.

Port Adelaide could then on-trade pick No.11 to another club, with Geelong the front-runner, in return for a quality midfielder and possibly another player.

By trading with Port Adelaide, Geelong or even the Bombers could move a step closer to snaring Ottens, provided Richmond reduced its demands of at least one draft pick under 10 in return.

While Essendon showed its hand for the first time yesterday as being keen to land Ottens, Sheedy denied speculation that Mark Johnson would be used as bait.

"I'd be sacked if I did that, he's not in the picture," Sheedy said of offering Johnson, a tough onballer who won the Bombers' best and fairest award from the back pocket in 2002.

After so far failing to trade with Collingwood for pick No.7 which would clinch the Ottens deal, Geelong's bid for selection 11 consisted of a package involving Corey Enright, originally recruited from Port Adelaide.

Richmond, however, last night was firm it had not reduced its demands of two first-round draft choices, one being in the top 10, for Ottens. Football director Greg Miller said: "There are a lot of different stories out there but we haven't changed our parameters."

And while Richmond was clear yesterday it would secure out-of-contract ruckman Troy Simmonds, Fremantle upped its offer significantly to retain him.

The Dockers added a year to his contract with a pay increase, to a new four-year deal which chief executive Cameron Schwab said "has given him something to think about".

The Lance Whitnall-to-St Kilda scenario failed to gain legs yesterday with Carlton, where he is contracted in 2005, and the Saints, saying little.

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Have to say I'd be happy with Bolton. Think this would be a better deal.

Bolton = 194cm (25yo)
Harding = 180cm (23yo)

We need height down back desperately
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: H Tiger on October 07, 2004, 11:59:44 AM
Leigh Harding, I hope not. ???

14 sounds better than what I thought we would get for Ty, Bolton couldn't be worse than Ty ............but he will probably be a star for the Bombers.

Bring on the Kids ...... Richmond Premiers in the next ten years.

*Don't worry I'm sane I've only seen them in the finals two times in my life* 

Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 07, 2004, 12:39:57 PM
Sheedy said Essendon had offered its first pick, No.14, and Mark Bolton in a deal to Richmond that could also involve the Bombers gaining out-of-favour Tiger Ty Zantuck.

Interesting....

So if we could convince Otto to go to the dogs (excuse the pun) then we could gain picks 6 and 14 plus Bolton and Gilbee for Otto and Zantuck. I could easily live with that  :thumbsup

btw Welcome aboard H Tiger  :)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 07, 2004, 02:17:01 PM
Love to sign off on pick 6 and gillbee  :cheers ..........but I don't think ottens will go to the Dogs :banghead.....so send him to the cats for two picks in the top twenty and take pick 20 off the table taking Simmons in the PSD. This tiger fans gives us 5 out of the top twenty kids in the country this draft, the competition between the young guys will send us up the ladder in a few years

What do you think? Can we come last again next year? The next Chris Judd and Reiwolt would be nice

Exactly right H !!

Tell the cats to trade for an early second rounder (say 22) and request them to hand this over along with their 1st and 2nd round picks.  This way Geelong won't have to disrupt their untouchables.  Geelong would jump at that.

Also take pick 20 off the table, and take simmonds in the PSD seeing that the Ottens deal is done.  Keep all our picks and possibly get 1 or 2 more picks in the top 30 for Zantuck and some others. 

This scenario will give us picks 1, 4, 16, 20, 22, 32, 36, 52, (plus 1 or 2 if other deals can be done).  This will give us 8-10 picks inside the top 50 with 6 inside the top 30.  What more do you want if you are in a rebuilding phase. 

I get the feeling that Millers insistance on a top 10 deal will have us screwed in more than 1 way. 

Firstly it might well screw the Ottens deal and then we will lose him for nothing or will be forced to re-draft him in the PSD and thus losing the no. PSD pick. 

Secondly the delay of the Ottens deal will force us to give away pick 20 to secure Simmonds as we would want the PSD pick available for Ottens.  Losing pick 20 is in effect losing an u18 all australian.

and thirdly, the delay in the Ottens deal is wasting precious time in which we can be doing other deals.

Come 2pm tomorrow Miller and Wallace will be left scratching their balls with no trade done just because they are obsessed with this top 10 pick which no-one wants to give up.

Just because we were stupid enough to do so last year and the year before doesn't mean the other clubs are just as stupid.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: H Tiger on October 07, 2004, 02:27:05 PM
Don't worry HH. Everyone keeps saying GM's a smart operator 8)
If he doesn't get anything for ottens he will be looking for a new job.

Things can't go bad at the trade table for us year after year.  :banghead

Surely this is the year when we pick up some decent recruits and they actually play the way they are payed to.

We capitalise on our draft picks (no Luke Hodges....Please).

And........ things turn around at Tigerland.


+I am an eternal optimist+
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 07, 2004, 02:39:23 PM

Imo, second and third round picks are just as important as any earlier picks.  Having a Judd/Riewoldt is good, but Premiership teams tend to have an even spread of players (i.e. depth), because the superstars aren’t going to do it on their own.  They can lift those around them, but as we know, without enough players with ‘footy smarts’, the top line players can easily be negated by the opposition.

That's the spirit, Spirit  :lol

I'm strongly of this beleif...........that 2nd and 3rd rounders are just as important as 1st rounders.  In the situation we are in I would rather 2-3 late first rounders/second rounders than a top 10 pick.  We need depth !!  And flooding our list with heaps of kids picked between 10 and 36 will give us this.  If we were 1 or 2 good players away, then yes, go for those first rounders.  But we are a long way from that. 

Geelong rebuilt its list soley from 2nd and third round daft picks.  They never finished last or near the bottom and never had priority picks.  They jus chipped away and traded away their half decent players for numerous 2nd/3rd rounders. 

If you can get 6 picks inside the top 30 each year for 3-4 years straight, and use them with astute recruiting of kids, you will rebuild your list in no time and will be a contender in years to come.

We seem to be obsessed with either a particular player, in which we throw away early draft picks for, or a high top ten pick, for which we do not consider an option of numerous late first rounders/second rounders.

I just don't understand us sometimes.

Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 07, 2004, 03:18:02 PM
And another thing, during the year we were all ranting and raving about Jackson, Raines, Roach, Hartigan, and Gilmour.  Well besides Gilmour, all these kids were all picked up with draft picks after 36.  Imagine the exitement level when we have another 6-8 kids on our list coming through Coburg, all of whom are of higher quality than this years batch, and all of whom were picked up with draft picks before pick 36.  Imagine if we did this for 2-3 years straight !!

Miller - Don't be too fussed with the top 10 pick - Don't stuff it up.  Aim to get a first rounder and 2 early second rounders.  This is easily achieved.

Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 07, 2004, 03:25:02 PM
The foreplay continues.....

We will go for a compromise tomorrow most likely. But kudos to Miller for refusing to touch his toes and trying to get the best out of this situation.

Stay clear of Bolton at all costs. The epitome of a soft player. Looked average in Essendon's side. How average will he look without the likes of Solomon, Fletcher, Wellman and McPhee helping him out?



Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Tiger Spirit on October 07, 2004, 04:06:56 PM
Stay clear of Bolton at all costs. The epitome of a soft player. Looked average in Essendon's side. How average will he look without the likes of Solomon, Fletcher, Wellman and McPhee helping him out?

There might be something in what you say JohnF.  I think he may have been used as trade bait last year as well.  If so, he seems expendable at the Bombers, so why would we want him?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Tiger Spirit on October 07, 2004, 04:17:00 PM
Quote
And another thing, during the year we were all ranting and raving about Jackson, Raines, Roach, Hartigan, and Gilmour. Well besides Gilmour, all these kids were all picked up with draft picks after 36. Imagine the exitement level when we have another 6-8 kids on our list coming through Coburg, all of whom are of higher quality than this years batch, and all of whom were picked up with draft picks before pick 36. Imagine if we did this for 2-3 years straight !!

Too right HarryH. :thumbsup  Seeing those players you mention is the reason why I think if Clubs have a plan and know what they are doing then they can quickly build a list.

You don’t necessarily need to finish last to do that, you just need to be shrewd with your selections and do a bit of homework on the players in the draft.  Last season, RFC convinced Daniel Jackson to go into the 2003 and we were able to pick him up at pick 53.  Had he been in this year’s draft, he more than likely would have been a first round selection.

Had we done that sort of homework in previous years then I doubt some of the players that have been on our list would have made it so far.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 07, 2004, 04:56:01 PM
Sydney are now out of the hunt for Otto after giving up their first pick for Jolly  :o

Dees now have picks 12,13 and 15.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 07, 2004, 05:06:49 PM
LOL, unbelievable!

Are the demons interested in Ottens?  :lol
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 07, 2004, 05:09:34 PM
Given the top 11 picks will most likely come from the likes of Deledio, Tambling, Griffen, Franklin, Roughead, Wood, Monfries, Meyer,  Deluca, Willits, Meeson and Lewis then picking up 3 of these guys is a good start to rebuidling our list. I'd reckon we should hang out until tomorrow just in case the Cats crack but if pick 11 is available then that might have to be our compromise. Add to that we would also be able to use pick 16 on one of these kids if they slip through. 
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 07, 2004, 05:11:14 PM
Would Melbourne have the salary cap space for Ottens, and then would he agree to go to Melbourne.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 07, 2004, 05:16:33 PM
Imagine getting picks 12.13,and 15 from Melbourne for Ottens
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 07, 2004, 05:17:57 PM
Would throw in Zantuck and Rodan if they were up for it. Can't see it happening though.

Melbourne have raped this trade period.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 07, 2004, 05:22:14 PM
BF are saying that Ty is having a rethink and wants to stay.

Would Melbourne have the salary cap space for Ottens, and then would he agree to go to Melbourne.

I doubt Jolly and Scott Thompson would have been on $$$ but if they were on roughly $200K each then they may have the room. The other thing is do the Dees have the finances full stop?!

Otto will most likely say no anyway  ::)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fishfinger on October 07, 2004, 05:33:52 PM
Looks like Freo have reassessed and will likely take pick 20 for Simmonds which they can then give to St Kilda for Heath Black.
If so, leaves PSD pick 1 to keep a rein on the Ottens negotiations.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 07, 2004, 05:36:51 PM
Also, StKilda will trade the pick 20 (or possibly thier 1st round pick 17) for Whitnall. Then Carlton have the opportunity to offer 9 and 17 (or20) for Ottens.

Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 07, 2004, 05:41:08 PM
Looks like Freo have reassessed and will likely take pick 20 for Simmonds which they can then give to St Kilda for Heath Black.
If so, leaves PSD pick 1 to keep a rein on the Ottens negotiations.

Freo have also got Josh Carr from Port Adelaide - they gave up their first 3 picks in the draft. :gobdrop

No surprise if they take pick 20 - now. If they don't use it to get Black - it will be the first pick and there only one until the 50's or 60's

Also, StKilda will trade the pick 20 (or possibly thier 1st round pick 17) for Whitnall. Then Carlton have the opportunity to offer 9 and 17 (or20) for Ottens.


I honestly cannot see Denis Pagan being interested in Brad Ottens - unless he sees it as a massive challenge to "toughen up" Judas (oops sorry I did it again :help ;D) Ottens
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 07, 2004, 05:45:04 PM
Channel 10 news had just started it sports report should be good for a laugh :lol
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: froars on October 07, 2004, 05:50:12 PM
My nerves are shot  :help
Come on Greg  :banghead
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 07, 2004, 05:54:05 PM
Well poor old Channel 10 are suggesting that Melbourne have offered to trade pick no. 12 for Geelong's Brett Maloney and Geelong and then Geelong will offer the Tigers picks 12 & 16 for Ottens. If not Geelong may try and trade with Port adelaide for pick 11.

In other news - massive stuff

Carr to Freo
Jolly to Sydney

Essendon & Collingwood are interested in Joel Smith - Pies offering him a 3 year deal.

Essendon are still interested in Ty Zantuck and a mid fielder.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 07, 2004, 05:54:42 PM
Are you in your uggies Froars?  :scream
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 07, 2004, 05:56:26 PM
Oh boy, It's tough in the trenches isn't it ;)

Thank Geez there will be an AFL Rep on the scene tomorrow and no faxes will be counted upon, this could go to the wire.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mellowyellow on October 07, 2004, 06:05:36 PM
My nerves are shot  :help


Whats you poison

Kerr could arrange some ample supplies of mothers little helpers. :lol
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 07, 2004, 06:14:10 PM
FFS! Collingwood to trade pick 7 for Smith and pick 10???

Bad Rotten deserves a kick up the arse for only wanting to be traded to the one club not willing to trade shyte! :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Jackstar on October 07, 2004, 06:30:40 PM
I will stick my neck out ;)
Ottens deal is done. he is gone, you can all sleep well
You might find they are just tidying a few things up. Might be announced tonite or in morning, mail is .DEAL DONE :birthday
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 07, 2004, 06:34:33 PM
I will stick my neck out ;)
Ottens deal is done. he is gone, you can all sleep well
You might find they are just tidying a few things up. Might be announced tonite or in morning, mail is .DEAL DONE :birthday

PM for those who would like to sleep very well  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 07, 2004, 06:37:11 PM
I will stick my neck out ;)
Ottens deal is done. he is gone, you can all sleep well
You might find they are just tidying a few things up. Might be announced tonite or in morning, mail is .DEAL DONE :birthday

PM for those who would like to sleep very well  :thumbsup

Great minds think alike  ;D
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 07, 2004, 06:44:40 PM
Damn...PM those who don't like to sleep well too  :scream :lol :help
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: harry bosch on October 07, 2004, 06:46:17 PM
details details please

is it the reported 12 ans 16 or soemthing else...????


Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Jackstar on October 07, 2004, 06:48:09 PM
No details, the i,s are being dotted and the t,s are being crossed
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 07, 2004, 06:47:31 PM
Keeping up appearances  ;D

-----------------

Dealing for Ottens drags on
5:59:31 PM Thu 7 October, 2004
Paul Gough
Sportal

Richmond football director Greg Miller remains confident the Tigers can secure two first round picks - including one in the first ten - for Brad Ottens even though the disgruntled ruckman's immediate future remained unclear on Thursday night with just one day of AFL trade week remaining.

With the deadline for all trades being 2pm Friday, Geelong - the club Ottens has publicly declared he wants to play for - remain the clear favourites to land the best player available in this year's trade period.

However after four days of negotiations the Cats and Tigers have still yet to reach an agreement meaning there is still a chance Ottens could fail to reach his preferred club and be forced into the pre-season draft - as was the case with Jade Rawlings and Nick Stevens last year.

The Cats are still working to get another first round pick, besides their own pick at number 16, in order to secure the deal with Richmond but are reluctant to give up any of their young stars to do it.

After rejecting the option of giving Collingwood talented forward Steve Johnson in exchange for its number seven pick, the Cats are now unlikely to secure a top ten pick.

Their best options now appear to be either to get pick 11 - which Fremantle has exchanged to Port Adelaide as part of the Josh Carr deal - or pick 12, which now belongs with Melbourne after Adelaide traded it for the Demons for Scott Thompson.

It is believed Port wants Corey Enright in exchange for pick 11 while Melbourne wants Brent Moloney in exchange for pick 12.

Should the Cats agree to either deal they would then be able to offer the Tigers two first round draft picks for Ottens, although neither pick would be in the top ten.

Miller maintained on Thursday that the Tigers would not water down their demands for Ottens.

"We still want a (draft) choice under ten," he said.

With Sydney now out of the chase for Ottens after instead agreeing to a deal for Melbourne ruckman Darren Jolly on Thursday, Geelong football operations manager Garry Davidson admitted his club had the frontrunning to secure the services of the big Richmond ruckman.

"You would have thought so but we have still got to do a deal with Richmond and get them to accept what we come up with," he said.

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=174350
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mellowyellow on October 07, 2004, 07:02:11 PM
FFS! Collingwood to trade pick 7 for Smith


Pick 7 for joel smith  :lol
Collingwood = clowns
Title: Otto deal done?
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 07, 2004, 07:31:42 PM
Apparently 3AW is running with the story that the Otto deal has been done, with Richmond getting picks 12 and 16, Melbourne getting Moloney, and Geelong getting sloth.

Personally, I would be pushing for pick 32 as well while we're at it, seeing as e miss a top ten pick. If Carr can get three picks, it's worth a try...  :lol
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: H Tiger on October 07, 2004, 07:42:27 PM
Don't Geelong really really want big and useless?

Definately push them for pick 32 as well.

Just quietly though ......

Isn't it fantastic to get rid of him ? :D

And I predict that he will be a total dud for the pussies  :scream

SEE YOU ROUND 1 BRAD
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mellowyellow on October 07, 2004, 07:51:11 PM
If thats the best that he could do then im f@king peeed off. >:(

Title: Re: Otto deal done?
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 07, 2004, 08:38:16 PM
Apparently 3AW is running with the story that the Otto deal has been done, with Richmond getting picks 12 and 16, Melbourne getting Moloney, and Geelong getting sloth.

Personally, I would be pushing for pick 32 as well while we're at it, seeing as e miss a top ten pick. If Carr can get three picks, it's worth a try...  :lol

If this is the deal, then I definetly would have liked to have seen pick 32 as well.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Puntroadroar on October 07, 2004, 09:54:17 PM
If thats the best that he could do then im f@king peeed off. >:(




Im not its a great result we got rid of a complete dud and this trade should of happened on monday!! If there's anything I'm peeved off about its that fact that its taken until friday to get a pick 2 spots higher than the original deal.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 07, 2004, 10:08:16 PM
Hear hear PRR!!!

If I was told a month ago we would get picks 12 and 16 for Nottens I would have been absolutely over the moon.

The deal doesn't look outstanding in light of the rediculous deals done for Nathan Thompson and Jolly but we have to bear in mind that they are just that, rediculous!

As I've said before, I would be reluctant to give up even one first round draft pick for the big time overrated Nottens.

Now we get the chance to land two very good players for the expense of one very soft average one. I'd take that deal every day of the week.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 07, 2004, 10:24:00 PM
Just heard that Miller has secured 11, 12, and 16 for Ottens can anybody confirm this.

Enright>>Port >>Pick 11>>Geelong
Malony>>Melbourne >>>Pick 12>>Geelong

11,12,16 >>Richmond
Ottens>>Geelong

Deal will be done First thing tomorrow morning
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 07, 2004, 10:32:05 PM
I saw that on BigFooty...if it were true, it would require 100 x :bow in Millers direction....

Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 07, 2004, 10:33:13 PM
If this is true, Bomber Thompson is smoking crack...
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 07, 2004, 10:58:28 PM
Whether the deal is 11,12,16 or 12 and 16 the trade should be wrapped up ASAP. Because with one of these picks we could perhaps bundle it up with some players and make a play for the bullies pick 6, adelaides pick 8 or Carltons pick 9 and still manage to obtain a pick lower than 10 which is after all what Miller and co are after.

Thoughts
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 07, 2004, 11:01:05 PM
Just heard that Miller has secured 11, 12, and 16 for Ottens can anybody confirm this.

Enright>>Port >>Pick 11>>Geelong
Malony>>Melbourne >>>Pick 12>>Geelong

11,12,16 >>Richmond
Ottens>>Geelong

Deal will be done First thing tomorrow morning

If that's the deal we will have scored big time. 5 first round kids on our list in one swoop  :thumbsup.

 
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 07, 2004, 11:10:30 PM
Whether the deal is 11,12,16 or 12 and 16 the trade should be wrapped up ASAP. Because with one of these picks we could perhaps bundle it up with some players and make a play for the bullies pick 6, adelaides pick 8 or Carltons pick 9 and still manage to obtain a pick lower than 10 which is after all what Miller and co are after.

Thoughts

I would keep the picks. 4-5 picks in the first 16 of the draft is a fantastic result as we have a great chance to not only get top quality kids but also improve our depth immensely.

Sports Tonight claim it's only 12 and 16.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 07, 2004, 11:20:37 PM
Whether the deal is 11,12,16 or 12 and 16 the trade should be wrapped up ASAP. Because with one of these picks we could perhaps bundle it up with some players and make a play for the bullies pick 6, adelaides pick 8 or Carltons pick 9 and still manage to obtain a pick lower than 10 which is after all what Miller and co are after.

Thoughts

I would keep the picks. 4-5 picks in the first 16 of the draft is a fantastic result as we have a great chance to not only get top quality kids but also improve our depth immensely.

Sports Tonight claim it's only 12 and 16.

That's what I'm talking about MT, for instance take pick 16 bundle it up with Rodan, chaffey or who ever and ship it off to say the dogs or who ever has a high pick available and exchange them, so our pick 16 becomes pick 6. Then we would have 1,4,6,12 etc
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 07, 2004, 11:35:37 PM
Here's a new one

Ottens to Geelong
Zantuck to Kangaroos
Maloney to Melbourne
Harding and Pick 12 to Carlton
Pick 9 and 16 to Richmond

Apparently agreed to in priciple at 8.30p.m tonight

It actually works like this -

Melbourne
Lose - Pick 12
Gain - Moloney (from Geelong)

Richmond
Lose - Ottens and Zantuck
Gain - Pick 9 (From Carlton) Pick 16 (from Geelong)

Geelong
Lose - Moloney and Pick 16
Gain - Ottens

Kangaroos
Lose - Harding
Gain - Zantuck

Carlton
Lose - Pick 9
Gain - Harding and Pick 12 (From Melbourne)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 07, 2004, 11:47:30 PM
That's what I'm talking about MT, for instance take pick 16 bundle it up with Rodan, chaffey or who ever and ship it off to say the dogs or who ever has a high pick available and exchange them, so our pick 16 becomes pick 6. Then we would have 1,4,6,12 etc

No way the Dogs or anyone for that matter would give up pick 6 for a teen pick + Rodan, Chaffey, etc. They would only give it up for Otto himself (which I wouldn't mind if it was for picks 6 and 22 + Gilbee) or two teen picks at best. The latter although getting us a better pick denies us one less quality kid. By all reports after the top 4 kids the next 20 or so are a raffle and in that case I would keep the teen picks.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Crumden on October 07, 2004, 11:57:05 PM
Just heard that Miller has secured 11, 12, and 16 for Ottens can anybody confirm this.

Enright>>Port >>Pick 11>>Geelong
Malony>>Melbourne >>>Pick 12>>Geelong

11,12,16 >>Richmond
Ottens>>Geelong

Deal will be done First thing tomorrow morning
Sounds like the rumuor I made up on BigFooty.  Sorry.  :-[
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 12:07:23 AM
The Age picked it up Crumden  :thumbsup

Breaking News - The Age
October 7, 2004 - 8:50PM

Freo was also working on a three-way deal with Richmond and St Kilda that would see Black traded to Freo, Troy Simmonds move to Richmond and the Saints gain a second-round draft pick.

Should Richmond deliver its pick 20 to St Kilda in the triangular deal, that could enable the Saints to on-trade that to Carlton in exchange for Lance Whitnall.

That would then put Carlton in a position to possibly trump Geelong's bid for Richmond ruckman Brad Ottens, by offering draft picks nine and 20 for the big man.

That would be more attractive than Geelong's best offer of selections 12 and 16, with the Tigers adamant they required a single-figure draft pick and another first rounder in exchange for Ottens.

The Cats could get their hands on pick 12 - currently held by Melbourne - by trading a player to the Demons, possibly midfielder Brent Moloney.

Geellong could improve their hand by dealing a player to Port Adelaide in exchange for pick 11, with the Power believed to be willing to offer up that selection for a ready-made player.

The Ottens deal had moved painfully slowly after Geelong spurned an early-week swap with Collingwood that would have yielded pick seven.

The Magpies were now thought to be keen to pick up Hawthorn's uncontracted All Australian backman Joel Smith, but could be concerned at Richmond's pole position in the pre-season draft if the Simmonds-Black deal was completed.

That could force the Magpies into trading draft selection seven and/or a player to Hawthorn to complete the deal.

Trade week finishes at 2pm on Friday with a flurry of last-minute deals anticipated.

© 2004 AAP

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/07/1097089490535.html
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 12:20:20 AM
Here's a new one

Ottens to Geelong
Zantuck to Kangaroos
Maloney to Melbourne
Harding and Pick 12 to Carlton
Pick 9 and 16 to Richmond

Apparently agreed to in priciple at 8.30p.m tonight

It actually works like this -

Melbourne
Lose - Pick 12
Gain - Moloney (from Geelong)

Richmond
Lose - Ottens and Zantuck
Gain - Pick 9 (From Carlton) Pick 16 (from Geelong)

Geelong
Lose - Moloney and Pick 16
Gain - Ottens

Kangaroos
Lose - Harding
Gain - Zantuck

Carlton
Lose - Pick 9
Gain - Harding and Pick 12 (From Melbourne)

We better be getting something else with this, otherwise we've lost Ottens and Zantuck for only two picks :banghead
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 12:43:03 AM
Agree fwoy plus the Cats are only giving up a player + a pick. They should be sending a player (Enright say) to the Power and pass Port's pick 11 along as well as picks 9 and 16 to us. 
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 01:15:01 AM
Ottens poised to join Cats as Hawthorn brace for key loss
Greg Denham
October 08, 2004

A COMPLICATED five-club trade deal last night should today result in disgruntled Richmond ruckman Brad Ottens being released to Geelong.

And the exodus of high-profile players from Hawthorn could continue today with defender-midfielder Joel Smith contemplating a lucrative offer to join Collingwood.

The Ottens deal could send Richmond's Ty Zantuck to the Kangaroos, Geelong's Brent Moloney to Melbourne and Kangaroos forward Leigh Harding to Carlton and fulfil the Tigers' requirement as they gain overall selections nine (from the Blues) and 16 from the Cats. Carlton will move back three places in the draft and have accepted selection 12 from Melbourne, which originally came from West Coast to secure Adelaide's Tyson Stenglein. The deal includes a number of other draft selections swaps.

The 27-year-old Smith could follow Nathan Thompson out the door at Glenferrie Oval, three days after his vice-captain quit to join the Kangaroos.

Smith is on holiday in Bali and was last night expected to sleep on his offer from Collingwood and make a decision today whether to join his third club.

Hawthorn was last night resigned to losing Smith only days after chief executive Jason Dunstall believed the Hawks were close to agreeing to terms of a new contract for the two-time All-Australian.

Smith's manager Ricky Nixon yesterday said he believed a trade could be arranged between the two clubs today. "The ball's in Joel's court," Nixon said. "Collingwood just came out of the blue and offered him a lucrative three-year deal."

Collingwood may give up its first pick, No.7 overall, and swap it with pick No.10 which Hawthorn received from the Kangaroos for Thompson, starting a rebuilding phase which will enable the Hawks to enter the draft with the prime selections two, five and possibly seven. Fremantle yesterday clinched a deal allowing Josh Carr to leave Port Adelaide and join the Dockers on a three-year contract.

After much debate during the week, Port Adelaide accepted Fremantle's first three draft selections -- picks 11, 27 and 43 -- to release Carr, who will join his brother Matthew.

The Port Adelaide premiership vice-captain will be contracted for the next four years.

The Dockers remain confident a deal could be finalised today to secure Heath Black from St Kilda. Black started his career as a Docker but moved to St Kilda at the end of 2001. Whatever compensation Fremantle receive from Richmond for losing Troy Simmonds, probably a late first-round pick or an early second-round selection, will be offered to the Saints for Black.

And after unsuccessfully attempting to satisfy Richmond's requirements for Ottens, the Swans reverted to plan B yesterday and recruited back-up Melbourne ruckman Darren Jolly. Sydney provided the Demons with its first pick in the draft, No.15.

Aaron Shattock, a member of Brisbane's 2002 premiership team, is expected to return home to Adelaide to join Port Adelaide today after a meeting with coach Mark Williams.

Lance Whitnall remains contracted to Carlton for 2005 but negotiations with St Kilda for a trade will enter the final day.

Nixon, who is Whitnall's manager, last night expressed doubts as to whether a deal will be done.

"I doubt whether it's going to happen," he said. "Carlton appear unrealistic in what they want."

The Blues could today be tempted by St Kilda's first-round selection, No.17.

Kangaroos midfielder Jess Sinclair is on the verge of agreeing to terms for a new two-year contract to remain at Arden Street.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11007224%255E2722,00.html
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 08, 2004, 01:39:30 AM
I don't rate Zantuck as anything more than a 4th round pick anyway so I am satisfied with this deal (picks 9 and 16).







Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 01:50:11 AM
Ottens set to join Geelong
By Jake Niall, Stephen Rielly
October 8, 2004


Brad Ottens heads to Geelong in a complicated trade deal.

Brad Ottens was poised to become a Geelong player last night in the culmination of a deal involving five clubs.

The key to the yet-to-be ratified deal was Melbourne obtaining Geelong's young midfielder Brent Moloney while Carlton arranged to swap first- and second-round draft picks, giving the Tigers the critical pick inside the draft's top 10 that they made an unconditional part of any Ottens trade.

Should the deal go ahead, as expected, the Tigers would get picks nine and 16 in return for Ottens, Melbourne would obtain Moloney, while, in exchange for picks nine and 25, Carlton receives picks 12, 20 and 36.

The Blues would also land Kangaroo Leigh Harding, while the Roos would receive Richmond's Ty Zantuck. The Kangaroos have already spoken to Zantuck, who has strong family connections with the club, at which his father Shane and uncle Arnold Briedis both played.

The most crucial portion of the deal, however, is Geelong's decision to forgo Moloney - whom the club regarded highly - to secure Melbourne's first-round draft pick (No. 12).

Once Geelong had shown a willingness to part with one of its fleet of capable young midfielders, the Ottens trade gathered momentum yesterday.

 Moloney is understood to have accepted the trade, having reacted emotionally when an upset Mark Thompson informed him that he was earmarked as the sacrificial Cat.

Richmond now has picks one, four, nine, 16 and 25 and is a strong chance to acquire Troy Simmonds through the pre-season draft, with the Dockers adamant they won't accept any offering that won't deliver Heath Black. Richmond's pick 25 appears to be all that is on offer.

Richmond's insistence on a pick inside the top 10 is believed to be based on its desire to draft one of three promising young talls to replace Ottens.

The Ottens trade followed the completion of yesterday's other major trading domino in which Port premiership midfielder Josh Carr went to Fremantle.

While the Ottens proposal was intricate, the Carr deal was straightforward - Fremantle's first three draft choices, picks 11, 27 and 43, were sent to Port, which had insisted on greater compensation but relented when informed that Carr was prepared to go into the pre-season draft.

The premiers said they were "disappointed" to lose Carr and admitted the fear of losing him for nothing, like Nick Stevens last year, had forced the deal.

"Whilst we could have made another statement and sent Josh to the draft, we believe that for the long-term benefit of the club it is important that we receive some compensation for Josh and look to use that to bring quality to our playing stocks," Port list manager Mick Moylan said.

"The result certainly isn't ideal for our club, but unfortunately the current rules don't allow for proper compensation for quality players who wish to change clubs."

It was no surprise that Melbourne gave up pick 12 for Moloney, considering that earlier yesterday the Demons had obtained Sydney's first draft choice, No. 15, in exchange for ruckman Darren Jolly, whom the Blues had also been keen on.

The Demons were able to trade Jolly, having effectively replaced the ruckman with a younger follower-forward, ex-Eagle Paul Johnson, who was traded for pick 29.

Port Adelaide has acquired Brisbane's Aaron Shattock, a one-time premiership player (2002), in exchange for Port's second-round pick, No. 35.

West Coast's Chad Morrison is another potential candidate for the pre-season draft, his future unclear last night. Morrison, who is returning home to Melbourne, had expressed interest in Collingwood and the Kangaroos, but the latter didn't have the draft choice the Eagles craved, while the Magpies were unwilling to give up their second-round pick.

Melbourne's Peter Walsh was set to join Port yesterday as part of the Carr trade, before the Power declined to include the Demon defender in the trade.

Kangaroo Jess Sinclair, who is out of contract and a potential trade, is likely to remain with the Roos next season.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 01:57:30 AM
The Age version costs us even more  :-\.

We gain picks 9, 16 and 25 for Otto, Zantuck and picks 20 and 36. Giving us picks 1,4,9,16,25 (Miller the kooky mathematician who likes his sequences of powers squared ;D)

Then we would either have to use pick 25 to get Simmonds (as part of the Black deal) or pick him up in the PSD.

If we trade for Troy that'll leave us with picks 1, 4, 9, 16 then a big jump to 52  :-\.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 01:59:20 AM
Ottens set to join Geelong
By Jake Niall, Stephen Rielly
October 8, 2004


Brad Ottens heads to Geelong in a complicated trade deal.

Brad Ottens was poised to become a Geelong player last night in the culmination of a deal involving five clubs.

The key to the yet-to-be ratified deal was Melbourne obtaining Geelong's young midfielder Brent Moloney while Carlton arranged to swap first- and second-round draft picks, giving the Tigers the critical pick inside the draft's top 10 that they made an unconditional part of any Ottens trade.

Should the deal go ahead, as expected, the Tigers would get picks nine and 16 in return for Ottens, Melbourne would obtain Moloney, while, in exchange for picks nine and 25, Carlton receives picks 12, 20 and 36.

The Blues would also land Kangaroo Leigh Harding, while the Roos would receive Richmond's Ty Zantuck. The Kangaroos have already spoken to Zantuck, who has strong family connections with the club, at which his father Shane and uncle Arnold Briedis both played.

The most crucial portion of the deal, however, is Geelong's decision to forgo Moloney - whom the club regarded highly - to secure Melbourne's first-round draft pick (No. 12).

Once Geelong had shown a willingness to part with one of its fleet of capable young midfielders, the Ottens trade gathered momentum yesterday.

 Moloney is understood to have accepted the trade, having reacted emotionally when an upset Mark Thompson informed him that he was earmarked as the sacrificial Cat.


Ummm...sorry, but this is garbage

We lose Ottens, Zantuck, pick 20 and pick 36
We Gain picks 9, 16 and 25

Carlton lose picks 9, 25
Carlton gain picks 12, 20, 36 and Harding

We lose 4 items to gain 3
Carlton lose 2 items to gain 4

Geelong get Ottens but only give up pick 16 and Maloney

...and on top of this we have to take Simmonds in the Pre-Season Draft?

This is stuffed on every level if true. Surely pick 20 (or 36) isn't involved, or we must be getting something else from somewhere...(Geelong??)  :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 02:04:17 AM
I'm pretty sure he has got it wrong, it's the deal I posted earlier, we keep 20 but basically trade Zantuck for nothing, he's a freebie by the look of it. Would have liked a pick for him as well. but other than that it's pretty good.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 08, 2004, 02:08:12 AM

If we trade for Troy that'll leave us with picks 1, 4, 9, 16 then a big jump to 52  :-\.


And the first pick in the PSD  :thumbsup

We have Freo in the pillow biting position here. If we can secure a pretty good player in the PSD then we should give them pick 25. If not we'll have him for free and keep pick 25. Either way it sounds pretty good to me.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 08, 2004, 02:12:38 AM

This is stuffed on every level if true. Surely pick 20 (or 36) isn't involved, or we must be getting something else from somewhere...(Geelong??)  :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Maybe pick 32 from Geelong? Would be great if we get it. Not the end of the world if we don't.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 02:13:45 AM

If we trade for Troy that'll leave us with picks 1, 4, 9, 16 then a big jump to 52  :-\.


And the first pick in the PSD  :thumbsup

Yeah that's true John but is there any decent out-of-contract player left and can we afford them? ??? Seems everyone who wanted to be traded got their wish this time around.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 02:16:00 AM
I still think we've been stuffed over here, but oh well.

Hopefully we can trade for Bowden and Gilbee tomorrow, while offloading some scraps (Chaffey, Fiora  ;D)

And didn't Hawthorn want Pettifer...pick 10 thanks  :lol
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 02:17:41 AM
...and I seriously can't see the need for pick 36 in that trade deal.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 02:18:17 AM

This is stuffed on every level if true. Surely pick 20 (or 36) isn't involved, or we must be getting something else from somewhere...(Geelong??)  :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Maybe pick 32 from Geelong? Would be great if we get it. Not the end of the world if we don't.

I reckon they should cough that up at least to us otherwise we are giving away Ty for zip  :(. The Cats are getting off lightly when you compare what they were initially offering of both picks 16 and 32 plus two players (Enright and Gardiner).  
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 02:19:27 AM
I doubt we will loose picks 20 and 36, if anything we should gain either 25 or 32 otherwise somebodies had a brain explosion.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 02:21:53 AM

This is stuffed on every level if true. Surely pick 20 (or 36) isn't involved, or we must be getting something else from somewhere...(Geelong??)  :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Maybe pick 32 from Geelong? Would be great if we get it. Not the end of the world if we don't.

I reckon they should cough that up at least to us otherwise we are giving away Ty for zip  :(. The Cats are getting off lightly when you compare what they were initially offering of both picks 16 and 32 plus two players (Enright and Gardiner).  

In essence, we've given up twice as much as Geelong in this deal :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 08, 2004, 02:22:07 AM

If we trade for Troy that'll leave us with picks 1, 4, 9, 16 then a big jump to 52  :-\.


And the first pick in the PSD  :thumbsup

Yeah that's true John but is there any decent out-of-contract player left and can we afford them? ??? Seems everyone who wanted to be traded got their wish this time around.

Doesn't seem to be any standouts does there...  We'll just have to take Simmonds for free in that case  ;D
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 02:23:22 AM
I still think we've been stuffed over here, but oh well.

Hopefully we can trade for Bowden and Gilbee tomorrow, while offloading some scraps (Chaffey, Fiora  ;D)

And didn't Hawthorn want Pettifer...pick 10 thanks  :lol

Yes, If you believe that article Fwoy, we have been stuffed over, but I think he's got it wrong :help.
I stuffen hope so anyway :o
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 02:27:41 AM

If we trade for Troy that'll leave us with picks 1, 4, 9, 16 then a big jump to 52  :-\.


And the first pick in the PSD  :thumbsup

Yeah that's true John but is there any decent out-of-contract player left and can we afford them? ??? Seems everyone who wanted to be traded got their wish this time around.

Doesn't seem to be any standouts does there...  We'll just have to take Simmonds for free in that case  ;D


 :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 08, 2004, 02:32:24 AM
Geelong don't get away with it that easy.. they get Ottens. ROFLFMAOOOOOO!!!!

If pick 9 or 16 turn out to be anything better that good-to-average the cats will spew.

Ottens won't do anything too special down there. Geelong are overrating their list in my opinion and if they think Ottens will get them over the line for a flag I think they might be in for a rude shock.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: froars on October 08, 2004, 05:46:09 AM
Didn't we have a better deal on day one? ::)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: LondonTiger on October 08, 2004, 06:01:20 AM
I cannot believe the deal as it stands.

I would suggest maybe 9 and 16 from the cats, 25 from the blues to the Tigers

Zantuck to North

Harding, pick 12 to Carlton.

Ottens to Geelong

We would then trade 20 for Simmonds, Fremantle get Black and St Kilda get 20 and a player???


Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Jackstar on October 08, 2004, 06:09:52 AM
Sorry, But i cant beleive that people are still upset at what we wil lbe getting back in return.
If a deal couldnt have been done, we would not have drafted him back in PSD.Therefore, we would get nothing for him.
And we all know he is a dud anyway
Why would you make someone play where they dont wont to be and there heart isnt in it.?
Any draft picks will benefit RFC and it will ease the salary cap situation as well. Wins all around for the RFC i say ;)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: froars on October 08, 2004, 07:10:02 AM
Exactly right, Jack - people on here have been very greedy this week lol   :rollin
Be grateful if we get just one high draft pick for the dud!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: LondonTiger on October 08, 2004, 08:20:14 AM
At the end of the day, its a weak position to back yourself into when negotiating.

You should get out of the game, if this is the best you can get.

Its so far from getting 2 first round picks for ottens. 

Yeah we get them, but we throw in Zantuck and another draft pick?

Doubt it.......

p.s  Couldn't give a stuff who the player was that was being traded, as compared to the other deals being done, the Otto deal should be worth more.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 08:20:27 AM
Sorry, But i cant beleive that people are still upset at what we wil lbe getting back in return.
If a deal couldnt have been done, we would not have drafted him back in PSD.Therefore, we would get nothing for him.
And we all know he is a dud anyway
Why would you make someone play where they dont wont to be and there heart isnt in it.?
Any draft picks will benefit RFC and it will ease the salary cap situation as well. Wins all around for the RFC i say ;)

Jack, what is the deal exactly, the original deal that I heard didn't contain us losing pick 20 or 36, then the newspaper article has insinuated that these two picks will be lost and pick 25 picked up.

What is the exact deal? The original deal I liked overrall even though zantuck was thrown to the wolves for zip effectively, the newspaper one I thought we had been raped a tad ;D
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: froars on October 08, 2004, 08:29:22 AM
I'm not sure what's going on, but if we had gone with the original deal with Geelong, we would have got a couple of decent picks for Otto, which meant there would have been no losing pick 20 as we could have picked up Simmonds in PSD and shafted Freo in the process.
Now, this deal says we lose two players for 2 picks.  I reckon this is the pits and Miller doesn't get a Mr Smiley stamp on his record this time.
Having said that, it's still a few hours to go and anything can happen.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 08:33:51 AM
I'm not sure what's going on, but if we had gone with the original deal with Geelong, we would have got a couple of decent picks for Otto, which meant there would have been no losing pick 20 as we could have picked up Simmonds in PSD and shafted Freo in the process.
Now, this deal says we lose two players for 2 picks.  I reckon this is the pits and Miller doesn't get a Mr Smiley stamp on his record this time.
Having said that, it's still a few hours to go and anything can happen.

I agree froarson the above scenerio, but i'm not totally sure what the real deal is at this point, I have two conflicting deals as far as the distribution of late picks goes so we will have to wait and see what the official notification is.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Jackstar on October 08, 2004, 09:44:13 AM
Hey, these are the benefits.
We have moved on an underperforming player.
We are adjusted our salary cap accordingly.
We will have an extra selection in the first round of the draft. FANTASTIC!
We have sent the message to ALL players that they club isnt a MONEY COW anymore.
Now what picks were Daniel Jackson and Hartigan picked up in last years draft ::)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Disco on October 08, 2004, 09:47:42 AM
Hey, these are the benefits.
We have moved on an underperforming player.
We are adjusted our salary cap accordingly.
We will have an extra selection in the first round of the draft. FANTASTIC!
We have sent the message to ALL players that they club isnt a MONEY COW anymore.
Now what picks were Daniel Jackson and Hartigan picked up in last years draft ::)

Im with you Jackster, but I dont believe the deal is complete and there might yet be a surprise in it for us.

Glad were getting rid of 2 under achievers, I hope the loser mentality follows them!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Jackstar on October 08, 2004, 09:51:38 AM
Disco, as I posted last night, deal is done with Ottens.dont worry !
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 09:56:11 AM
Hey, these are the benefits.
We have moved on an underperforming player.
We are adjusted our salary cap accordingly.
We will have an extra selection in the first round of the draft. FANTASTIC!
We have sent the message to ALL players that they club isnt a MONEY COW anymore.
Now what picks were Daniel Jackson and Hartigan picked up in last years draft ::)

Im with you Jackster, but I dont believe the deal is complete and there might yet be a surprise in it for us.

Glad were getting rid of 2 under achievers, I hope the loser mentality follows them!

I think we are all with him on those points. Still wondering if there is another third rounder comming our way in this deal, I hope there is ;D
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: RonBranton on October 08, 2004, 09:57:41 AM
MELBOURNE ruckman Darren Jolly transferred to Sydney for first-round selection No. 15.

Now that's a good deal for Swannies - better than Ottens, 'cause we all know that he's a dud   ;)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Jackstar on October 08, 2004, 10:09:03 AM
Ronnie, I will be first to say the Jolly will be a great assest for the Swans.
Lets see how Ottens goes at the cats next year.
Geelong will revert back to there HANDBAG status next year.
Maybe  instead of the recently new fad of holding Toyota cutouts and plastic slappers, maybe we could introduce for Round 1 , handbags with the BIG O written on the side :o
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: froars on October 08, 2004, 10:10:07 AM
Oraton have nice handbags with the big O written on them lol
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 08, 2004, 10:36:04 AM
Once Geelong had shown a willingness to part with one of its fleet of capable young midfielders, the Ottens trade gathered momentum yesterday.

 Moloney is understood to have accepted the trade, having reacted emotionally when an upset Mark Thompson informed him that he was earmarked as the sacrificial Cat.

Give me a break. Is it any wonder that Geelong hasn't been able to get any players for years. What a joke.

If we get picks 9, 16 & 25 - I;ll be happy because we get rid of Ottens and Zantuck. It also means we can only give Freo pick 25 for Simmonds seeing they are now desperate to trade for him because they want Black.

The dills at Freo should have taken pick 20 on Monday when they had the chance.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 10:47:19 AM
Huddo from SEN just mentioned that the five way deal has fallen thru at this stage. Currently the trade just involves us receiving picks 12 and 16 for Ottens. No trade for pick 9 or Zantuck yet.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 08, 2004, 10:49:33 AM
Huddo from SEN just mentioned that the five way deal has fallen thru at this stage. Currently the trade just involves us receiving picks 12 and 16 for Ottens. No trade for pick 9 or Zantuck yet.

Beat me to it Fwoy.

Huddo also said that Freo, St Kilda & Richmond are talking about Simmonds & Black. He reckons that things are a bit "strained, narky, aganst" in the room :help :gobdrop

 :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Jackstar on October 08, 2004, 10:51:48 AM
Wouldnt be too concerned. All other clubs have been told to but out.
This will all be sorted out soon. ;)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Disco on October 08, 2004, 10:54:16 AM
Lets get this over and done with, take 12, 16 and grab a geelong player with some pace.

As for zantuck surely sheedy can offer us a second round?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 10:54:56 AM
and Jack, my sticking point with the whole deal was that there is no need to throw in pick 36 for the deal. I understand that Carlton has given up pick 9, but they have already been fairly compensated with picks 12 and 20 as well as Harding.

I would push for 12, 36 and Harding only, but that would be greedy  :rollin
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 11:25:34 AM
What times the deadline 2 o'clock? :gobdrop
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: H Tiger on October 08, 2004, 11:28:18 AM
Once Geelong had shown a willingness to part with one of its fleet of capable young midfielders, the Ottens trade gathered momentum yesterday.

 Moloney is understood to have accepted the trade, having reacted emotionally when an upset Mark Thompson informed him that he was earmarked as the sacrificial Cat.

Give me a break. Is it any wonder that Geelong hasn't been able to get any players for years. What a joke.

If we get picks 9, 16 & 25 - I;ll be happy because we get rid of Ottens and Zantuck. It also means we can only give Freo pick 25 for Simmonds seeing they are now desperate to trade for him because they want Black.

The dills at Freo should have taken pick 20 on Monday when they had the chance.  :thumbsup

Why give them 25? Stuff Freeo, I don't hate them, but why should the tigers be a charity organisation? :banghead Take Simmonds in the PSD & Draft Gilbee or P Bowden with a late pick in the draft.

25 could pick up a very good player if we are lucky, S Black and Cogs were drafted in the twenties.

Any opinions?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 11:31:43 AM
Gilbee is under contract, so we can't draft him...We could trade a pick for Bowden and t=still take Simmonds in the PSD  :shh :rollin
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: om21 on October 08, 2004, 11:33:18 AM
We should give up a pick for Simmonds that way we keep our Pick 1 available for whoever is there....be it Bowden or whoever is available.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Disco on October 08, 2004, 11:38:07 AM
There's still a stack of decent talent that is out of contract and Im sure GM will weave some magic and get some decent talent to the tigers in the PSD.

I'd give a second rounder for simmonds to have that first pick for bowden. Its a win win which ever way you look at it!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: H Tiger on October 08, 2004, 11:38:16 AM
I know P Bowden is tall but he hasn't done much. I hope GM doesn't trade for him.

 Joel may not be able to handle him getting booed as well. (I've actually never disliked Joel as much as the average Tiger fan).

I wouldn't trade for Gilbee either.

Keep the picks Tigers! :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 08, 2004, 11:55:28 AM
Why give them 25? Stuff Freeo, I don't hate them, but why should the tigers be a charity organisation? :banghead Take Simmonds in the PSD & Draft Gilbee or P Bowden with a late pick in the draft.

25 could pick up a very good player if we are lucky, S Black and Cogs were drafted in the twenties.

Any opinions?

I would trade for Simmonds and like om21, suggested keep our number 1 pick in the PSD - we don't know who will be available. For example young Salopek from Port is out of contract - if he doesn't re-sign he would be available. Ditto P Bowden.

I couldn't see Patrick Bowden being availbel in the 2nd round of the PSD to be honest

Gilbee is under contract, so we can't draft him...We could trade a pick for Bowden and t=still take Simmonds in the PSD :shh :rollin

I'd ratrher pick up Bowden for nothing :lol

Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 08, 2004, 11:57:59 AM
Huddo reporting that Zantuck & Harding deal has fallen through. Looks like ty maybe staying

Sheedy where are you  :lol
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 12:00:57 PM
Less than 2 hours to go  :shh
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 08, 2004, 12:03:01 PM
Miller's persistance on a top 10 pick will backfire.  We will get Jack poo and won't have any time for any other deals.  All that will happen is that we trade Ottens for pick 12 and 16 and thats ALL !!

If we give up pick 20 for Simmonds, then I'll spew unless he has someone like Salopek lined up for the PSD.  

Might aswell keep Zantuck as Harding is a total gimp.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 12:04:33 PM
Gilbee is under contract, so we can't draft him...We could trade a pick for Bowden and t=still take Simmonds in the PSD :shh :rollin

I'd ratrher pick up Bowden for nothing :lol

We could probably snag Bowden for pick 36 and keep pick 20, or trade Zantuck to Essendon for pick 30 and on-trade that one  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 12:05:03 PM
Less then two hours to go and still no good deals :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Just Kidding :rollin
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 12:08:12 PM
Miller's persistance on a top 10 pick will backfire.  We will get Jack pooh and won't have any time for any other deals.  All that will happen is that we trade Ottens for pick 12 and 16 and thats ALL !!

If we give up pick 20 for Simmonds, then I'll spew unless he has someone like Salopek lined up for the PSD.  

Might aswell keep Zantuck as Harding is a total gimp.

How about Zantuck and pick 12 to Carlton for pick 9 and pick 41?

That would gve us 1, 4, 9, 16, 20, 36, 41, 52 as our first 8 picks  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 12:12:03 PM
Miller's persistance on a top 10 pick will backfire.  We will get Jack pooh and won't have any time for any other deals.  All that will happen is that we trade Ottens for pick 12 and 16 and thats ALL !!

If we give up pick 20 for Simmonds, then I'll spew unless he has someone like Salopek lined up for the PSD.  

Might aswell keep Zantuck as Harding is a total gimp.

How about Zantuck and pick 12 to Carlton for pick 9 and pick 41?

That would gve us 1, 4, 9, 16, 20, 36, 41, 52 as our first 8 picks  :thumbsup

Like that :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 12:29:14 PM
Miller's persistance on a top 10 pick will backfire.  We will get Jack pooh and won't have any time for any other deals.  All that will happen is that we trade Ottens for pick 12 and 16 and thats ALL !!

If we give up pick 20 for Simmonds, then I'll spew unless he has someone like Salopek lined up for the PSD.  

Might aswell keep Zantuck as Harding is a total gimp.

How about Zantuck and pick 12 to Carlton for pick 9 and pick 41?

That would gve us 1, 4, 9, 16, 20, 36, 41, 52 as our first 8 picks  :thumbsup

This might actually come off FWOY, have read on bigfooty that the initial deal for Ottens has come off and we got 12 and 16 for Ottens in a three way with the Demons. Now there is a lot of talk about Zantuck and pick 12 going to the Blues for pick 9 and possibly a latter pick back from the blues. :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 12:33:02 PM
Well, now we're being held up by the Weagles. The Tyson Stenglein deal is still not official, so the pick 12 is sill not OFICIALLY available to trade with  :banghead
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 12:35:53 PM
Well, now we're being held up by the Weagles. The Tyson Stenglein deal is still not official, so the pick 12 is sill not OFICIALLY available to trade with  :banghead

Ah FFS :banghead

The AFL guys are supposed to be on the spot, what the stuff is going on :banghead
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 12:44:25 PM
WCE traded picks 12 and 28 to Adelaide with an agreement that they would upgrade pick 28 if they received anything else (stuffed if I know why, that is plenty for him already). So Adelaide is waiting to see if WCE can get anything else before signing off on that deal.  :banghead

That deal holds up the Thompson to Adelaide deal :banghead

Which holds up the pick 12 to Geelong for Moloney deal :banghead

Which holds up the Ottens to Geelong for pick 12, 16 deal :banghead

Which holds up the possible Zantuck and 12 to Carlton for picks 9 and 41 to Richmond  :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 01:00:02 PM
One hour to go...WCE are stupid, and Adelaide are greedy bas-tards  :banghead

Now they say a fail safe is pick 13 instead of 12...no thanks
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 01:05:11 PM
Someone or somebodies in there are trying to screw us I'm sure of it >:(

This is ridiculous, It should be illegal to do trades on the basis that WCE and Adelaide have done.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: H Tiger on October 08, 2004, 01:06:27 PM
Relax guys your going to get sore heads :sleep

All trades will be done by 2. Don't worry be happy Brad's out the door and anything we get for him is probably too much anyway. 8)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 01:12:47 PM
Relax guys your going to get sore heads :sleep

All trades will be done by 2. Don't worry be happy Brad's out the door and anything we get for him is probably too much anyway. 8)

I hope your right H Tiger, but every turn in this trade has been met with barrier :banghead

This trade has a bad case of constipation. Quick somebody run down there and give them all a packet of laxettes :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: julzqld on October 08, 2004, 01:24:15 PM
37 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 01:28:31 PM
This trade is like giving birth to a ten pounder, not that I've done that, but i've heard it's pretty bad :scream
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: julzqld on October 08, 2004, 01:30:18 PM
LOL - I've been in labour for 30 hours - not fun at all.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 01:43:56 PM
What's going on Fwoy, don't have a radio here, 17 minutes to go :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop Keep us updated please
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 01:46:49 PM
SEN - The paperwork is now going through  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 01:48:43 PM
SEN - The paperwork is now going through  :thumbsup

What's the picks MT. :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 01:50:29 PM
SEN - The paperwork is now going through  :thumbsup

Hawks trading pick 10 for pick 7, then sending thir pick 37 to WCE.
Chad Morrison to Collingwood

Ess and WB still trying to get something over the line...Whitnall perhaps

Nothing more for us excpet the paperwork...
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 01:51:05 PM
SEN - The paperwork is now going through  :thumbsup

What's the picks MT. :thumbsup

They didn't say but it involves pick 12.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 01:54:26 PM
Looks like we are going to miss the ruckmen in the draft hey.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 01:54:34 PM
5 minutes
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 08, 2004, 01:55:06 PM
Hawks trading pick 10 for pick 7, then sending thir pick 37 to WCE.
Chad Morrison to Collingwood

Ess and WB still trying to get something over the line...Whitnall perhaps

Nothing more for us excpet the paperwork...

Hawks have done well but don't yuo have to trade a player to get a draft pick - who have the pies off loaded I wonder

Brad Scumbag - has a lot to answer for - we could have had pick 10 for him but being the sook he is he wouldn't go to the Roos :banghead

But I'll take 12 & 16
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 01:55:43 PM
Bo Nixon to Hawks
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 01:56:43 PM
Troy Longmuir to Carlton

Ottens Deal Thru!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 08, 2004, 01:57:14 PM
I feel a veale deal going on b/twn Hawks & Pies

Nixon and pick 7 for pick 10 I reckon not

Ottens deal done

Hell-lay-loo-ya
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Disco on October 08, 2004, 01:57:28 PM
Does the otten deal give us 12 and 16?
Title: Otto deal done - confirmed on SEN
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 01:57:48 PM
Otto to Cats
Moloney to Dees
Picks 12 and 16 to us
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 01:58:10 PM
As previously agreed upon, Picks 12 and 16 for Ottens, now completed
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 01:58:40 PM
Can we get Zantuck and pick 12 to the blues for pick 9.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 02:00:49 PM
Last call....no more bets..


Time gentlemen please.  :rollin
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 02:02:25 PM
All trades to be clarified within the next 30 minutes
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Bulluss on October 08, 2004, 02:03:54 PM
Yeah we got 12 and 16

i think thats pretty good really.

Hawthorn have moved from pick 10 to 7 by trading 10 and 30(somthing) to Collingwood in return for 7 and Bo Nixon.

Chad Morrison then went to the Pies.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Disco on October 08, 2004, 02:04:01 PM
Surely we got rid of Zantuck!?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 02:05:40 PM
Surely we got rid of Zantuck!?

Don't think so Disco, but we won't know for about 1/2 hour I think
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 02:08:39 PM
Zantack deal failed by 30 seconds b/w us and Dons.

Miller went to the wrong room is the rumour  :P
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 02:09:19 PM
Bloody Miller went to the wrong room  :banghead :gobdrop
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 02:09:59 PM
That deal between the hawks and the woods looks strange
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 08, 2004, 02:10:37 PM
Zantack deal failed by 30 seconds b/w us and Dons.

Miller went to the wrong room is the rumour  :P

probably lose him for nothing now in the PSD
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Disco on October 08, 2004, 02:11:12 PM
Surely we got rid of Zantuck!?

Don't think so Disco, but we won't know for about 1/2 hour I think

Surely theres a provision in the rules for poor signage of rooms and the deal should stand!! :lol
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 08, 2004, 02:11:38 PM
Zantack deal failed by 30 seconds b/w us and Dons


Well look at the bright side - Zantuck can now play on Nottens in round 1 - and slam his head :rollin :rollin

That deal between the hawks and the woods looks strange

Agree Rodger - how do you like your Veal ;)
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Bulluss on October 08, 2004, 02:12:00 PM
Zantuck still has a year to go Harry.

He has to stay.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 02:12:17 PM
Glad we didn't trade with Sheeds in some ways. We might have ended up with Bolton or Hennaman  ::). Rather have Ty.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 02:12:35 PM
A bit like in Big Brother when you find out who voted you out...I wonder what the Essendon offer was...pick 30??
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: H Tiger on October 08, 2004, 02:12:54 PM
Sheedy you lying bastard :( and he said he liked the look of Ty!

Overall I'm happy with what we have done. :thumbsup

The Morrison trade was a win win wasn't it?

Now for the draft, we want young kids with big motors and a bit of tenacity

IE No Fiora's. Who going No 1?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 02:15:41 PM
Bloody Miller went to the wrong room  :banghead :gobdrop

Probably went to the wrong room on purpose to pee sheedy off :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: julzqld on October 08, 2004, 02:16:36 PM
Does that mean Zantuck will go in the PSD?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 02:17:18 PM
so we have:
> Picks 1,4,12,16,20,36,52 <---7 in the first 4 rounds  :cheers
> Simmonds  :birthday
> Pre-Season Draft Pick 1  :bow
> Zantuck  :help

so we lost:
> Slotthens  :cheers
> Fiona  :birthday :scream :bow :rollin :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 02:18:50 PM
And on Bo Nixon...I beleive mid-season there was a story that he would not play AFL football again due to health concerns (concussion from memory)  :shh
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 08, 2004, 02:19:15 PM
Zantuck still has a year to go Harry.

He has to stay.

Good to hear.  

Overall it was an OK result for us.  We should have got more for Ottens, but the Fiora deal made up for this.  We keep pick 20 and have first crack in the PSD.  Hope Salopek doesn't re-sign and we go for him.  Good draft picks in order to rebuild with quaity kids - 1,4,12,16,20,36,52.  Can possibly get 5 all australian u18's.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 02:19:26 PM
Do you think we can manage a ruckmen out of that or will we give them a miss.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: H Tiger on October 08, 2004, 02:19:42 PM
Zantack deal failed by 30 seconds b/w us and Dons.

Miller went to the wrong room is the rumour  :P
Don't you wish they would all get along a bit better, stop trying to prove who has the biggest footballs?

I don't mind keeping Ty.  :-*

Maybe TerryTC will give him a foot in the backside and get him playing?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Fwoy3 on October 08, 2004, 02:25:11 PM
And on Bo Nixon...I beleive mid-season there was a story that he would not play AFL football again due to health concerns (concussion from memory)  :shh

Actually, it is kidney problems  :shh
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 08, 2004, 02:49:36 PM
so we have:
> Picks 1,4,12,16,20,36,52 <---7 in the first 4 rounds  :cheers
> Simmonds  :birthday
> Pre-Season Draft Pick 1  :bow
> Zantuck  :help

so we lost:
> Slotthens  :cheers
> Fiona  :birthday :scream :bow :rollin :thumbsup

In effect we gained Simmonds and twofirst round draft picks for Notthens. Fiora is no loss. Well done Miller  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 04:06:57 PM
Otto in an interview said he would like the Geelong lifestyle and that the GFC looked like a stable club on and off field.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 04:13:49 PM
P.S and mummy told me to go
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: froars on October 08, 2004, 04:17:43 PM
someone wrote an email to SEN saying the trade period should just go for 3 hours and should be televised - rather than have a week to do deals.  They'd be made to compromise becasue of the short span.  Be great tellie!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 04:23:27 PM
Otto has done a Buckley. Said he was frustrated losing all the time. Wanted to go to Geelong because he wants to be part of a successful club  ::). Agreed his form was below par past 2-3 years but when asked about his new contract (is it less than before) he wouldn't give an answer ...hummed and hahed... expect to say it's more than the pay cut offered by us ::).
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 08, 2004, 04:26:41 PM
Where is he I thought he was in thailand?
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 04:30:00 PM
Where is he I thought he was in thailand?

He was just on SEN.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 04:33:28 PM
Updated National Draft order:

1. Richmond
2. Hawthorn
3. Bulldogs

4. Richmond
5. Hawthorn
6. Bulldogs
7. Hawthorn
8. Adelaide
9. Carlton
10. Collingwood
11. Port Adelaide
12. Richmond
13. Melbourne
14. Essendon
15. Melbourne
16. Richmond
17. St Kilda
18. Brisbane
19. Port Adelaide

20. Richmond
21. Hawthorn
22. Bulldogs
23. Collingwood
24. Adelaide
25. Carlton
26. Hawthorn
27. Brisbane
28. Adelaide
29. West Coast
30. Essendon
31. Sydney
32. Geelong
33. St Kilda
34. Port Adelaide
35. Port Adelaide

36. Richmond
37. West Coast
38. Bulldogs
39. Collingwood
40. Adelaide
41. Carlton
42. Kangaroos
43. Melbourne
44. West Coast
45. Brisbane
46. Essendon
47. Sydney
48. Geelong
49. St Kilda
50. Brisbane
51. Port Adelaide

52. Richmond
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Disco on October 08, 2004, 04:36:00 PM
Tell Brad to stuff off back to Thailand! Tosser!

Look forward to round 1 and yelling plenty of abuse, thats if he doesnt break down with another injury!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 08, 2004, 04:43:39 PM
Can understand Buckley being frustrated at playing with losers, but not Brad. He is one of the main reasons we are losing.

Tell tale sign of a mentally soft person - blaming the surroundings before taking a good hard look in the mirror

Good Riddance! Hope his mum has fun doing Geelong!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: Harry on October 08, 2004, 04:56:36 PM
Lucky we got Simmonds otherwise we would have been screwed.  He easily compensates for the loss of Snottens and we get 2 early piks.

LMAOOO at the saints for getting a severe rogering on the Fiora deal !!
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 05:09:57 PM
Miller coming up on SEN
Title: Miller on SEN
Post by: mightytiges on October 08, 2004, 05:35:48 PM
Miller on SEN:

Nothing much said on the actual trades.

Zantuck No-Deal: Roos deal with Ty fell thru at 11am. Bombers came in 2 mins to 2pm. 30 for Ty + 36  ??? (he didn't actually remember). Miller ran past the AFL room and had to double back  ;D.

PSD: Will be participating. Jack Nhail rumour about salary cap constraints untrue (more like budgetry constraints). Will get who we can get.

Ty: going to sit down with him and talk deeper about his problems at Richmond.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: JohnF on October 08, 2004, 05:48:29 PM
So we were basically going to give Zantuck away for nothing? lmfaooo@Essendon's offer and Miller sending the fax telling essendon to get stuffed 30 seconds after the deadline.

Miller also said he nearly got into a punch on with Sheedy last year.
Title: Re: Trade Period: Day One tidbits/SEN reported Otto deal
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 08, 2004, 09:37:22 PM
Where is he I thought he was in thailand?

Back in Melbourne was at Optus Oval to get his new polo shirt and jumper.

Heard the end of the interview on SEN. Dermie had Brad all confused with his question about his contract and the money. In the end Huddo said is it fair to say that you are getting lees at geelong than you did at the RFC in 2004 but geelong was paying more than the Tiger offer for 2005. His answer was "yeah that's right".

But remember it aint about the money folks  :banghead