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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on August 04, 2009, 04:20:58 PM
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Rumours are the first cut has been made to the candidates list
Jade Rawlings
Damien Hardwick
Ken Hinkley
Allan Richardson
Leon Cameron
Are supposedly the 5 with
A 6th candidate as well
My preference
1) Hardwick
2) Richardson
3) Hinkley
4) Rawlings
5) Cameron
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My preference
1) Hardwick
2) Richardson
3) Laidley
4) Hinkley
5) Rawlings
6) Cameron
thats a bit harsh 4 rawlings- he has been doing a pretty good job nd the players respond to him. he is passionate and loves his footy. they should seriously think about keeping him on
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I agree they should keep him on- but not as senior coach. They should offer him a position as Player Development Manager and ask him to look after player development. I still believe a "development academy" would help RFC improve its players and Rawlings could lead that.
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that could work
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that could work
I thinks Jades ambition may stop him from remaining at Richmond if he misses even though he has said otherwise!
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How accurate are these rumours Ramps ;D
I'll keep my preference to myself for now :shh :rollin
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How accurate are these rumours Ramps ;D
I'll keep my preference to myself for now :shh :rollin
From that i presume your man has allegedly finished out of the top 6?
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How accurate are these rumours Ramps ;D
I'll keep my preference to myself for now :shh :rollin
From that i presume your man has allegedly finished out of the top 6?
No definitely in the top 6 or is that top 5 as it isnt' Laidley :thumbsup ;D
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Word is Craig Cameron said it's down to six on the radio on Sunday prior to the Melbourne game.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15276789&postcount=82
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How accurate are these rumours Ramps ;D
I'll keep my preference to myself for now :shh :rollin
From that i presume your man has allegedly finished out of the top 6?
No definitely in the top 6 or is that top 5 as it isnt' Laidley :thumbsup ;D
Well now my original hunch was correct! :lol
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I agree they should keep him on- but not as senior coach. They should offer him a position as Player Development Manager and ask him to look after player development. I still believe a "development academy" would help RFC improve its players and Rawlings could lead that.
No doubt he'd be very good in this role, problem is by the time players arrive they are 17-18 and want to be playing footy well within two years. I'm not sure what a "development academy" would entail that a VFL reserves team doesn't?? Getting our own VFL reserve team would be helpful but I don't see that happening in the short term. So what exactly would a development academy be?
The present draft rules repel clubs from working with players under draft age unless they are father-sons.
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i would have almost predicted that remaining cut...a good cross selection to pick from
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Definitely happy with those 5 listed
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Whispers on 3aw says the Roos job is down to either Hardwick, Longmire, Brad Scott and Crocker.
So the only crossover/competition with Richmond is with Hardwick.
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Hopefully we get Hardwick.
Hopefully they keep Crocker.
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Regardless of who goes where, if Hardwick misses on both clubs then you would have to seriously doubt his ability to ever get a senior gig (and wonder why he keeps missing out).
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Regardless of who goes where, if Hardwick misses on both clubs then you would have to seriously doubt his ability to ever get a senior gig (and wonder why he keeps missing out).
Maybe because he wants the job on his terms or not at all.
That would fit with his character; all or nothing
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Yep I am sticking on the Hardwick wagon still.
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You would hope Hardwick has learnt from last time when Hawthorn confiscated his work laptop.
The names that are through to the second phase are who you would consider the favourites so no surprises. If Laidley sticks to his line when he quit North that he wants a break from coaching then it'll probably be down to just 5.
OWAAT last night had vision of Cameron in the Bulldogs box when they played the Saints. Eade certainly gives his assistants plenty of freedom to make decisions. Cameron got peeed off with Minson when Will costly dropped those two sitters early in that game after Leon had told Minson beforehand they were depending on him to hold his marks up forward. They also showed Cameron in the 3/4 huddle to their midfield group if they kicked backwards then they had to bring themselves off straight away. Off because it was against team rules. So he's not afraid to demand orders although he didn't blast the crap out of them like coaches use to do in the old days. He doesn't seem to have that bellowing voice that some coaches do to peel paint off the walls. I remember Doug Searl with his speeches to the U19s. Not a place for the fainthearted or thin-skinned. In Leon's favour he came across as being very methodical and knowledgable as far as all the tactics and decision making required during a game. He never got flustered. They didn't show the 19th man incident though which must have sent the coaches mad. Just the Saints running away in the last quarter and Leon looking despondent.
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Richmond and North Melbourne continued their search for new coaches. Both clubs appear to be moving towards consolidating short lists with the Tigers hoping to make a decision well before the end of the home-and-away season.
Richmond denied yesterday it had asked to interview Eade, who comes out of contract at the end of 2009, with the Tigers having made it clear to Eade’s management it would not interrupt its two-step recruitment process which is about to enter its second stage.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/bulldogs-and-coach-keen-to-finalise-deal-within-days/2009/08/04/1249350550735.html
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BRISBANE Lions assistant coach Adrian Fletcher wants to coach Richmond next season.
The veteran of 231 AFL games with four clubs says the time is right after spending most of the decade working under some of the best coaches in the business at Geelong (2004), Collingwood (2005-2007) and the Lions (2008 - 2009).
"I've been an assistant for seven years," Fletcher said on Wednesday.
"There's a time in your life when you've got to start putting your name out there to make sure that people understand where you want to go in life.
"I want to be a senior coach, no doubt about that. I've learned off three coaches, Mick Malthouse, Bomber [Mark] Thompson and Leigh Matthews, who have seven premierships, so although I'm not a premiership player I've been in the coaching arena where I understand how it works."
Fletcher was a playing journeyman, making his debut for Geelong in 1989 before moving on to St Kilda in 1992.
He played 107 games with the Brisbane Bears/Lions from 1993-1997 before heading to Fremantle where he was captain for two seasons before retiring at the end of 2001.
The former midfielder, considered a rugged, prolific ball winner, is in his second season at the Lions and is focused on experiencing another finals campaign from the coaches box before spreading his wings.
"I'm concentrating on Brisbane. We've got a chance to play in finals and we haven't done that for five years, so my energy is going into this footy club," Fletcher said.
While there are at least two coaching vacancies at North Melbourne and Richmond, Fletcher says the Tigers' role is top of his wish list.
"I put in for the Richmond role but they've had many applicants so we'll see what happens," Fletcher said.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=82070
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While there are at least two coaching vacancies at North Melbourne and Richmond, Fletcher says the Tigers' role is top of his wish list.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=82070
Seems to be the general trend. :thumbsup
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While there are at least two coaching vacancies at North Melbourne and Richmond, Fletcher says the Tigers' role is top of his wish list.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=82070
Seems to be the general trend. :thumbsup
Nah, couldn't be. We're the ones with the worst list that needs a complete rebuild aren't we? Surely all those media pundits can't be wrong.
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While there are at least two coaching vacancies at North Melbourne and Richmond, Fletcher says the Tigers' role is top of his wish list.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=82070
Seems to be the general trend. :thumbsup
Nah, couldn't be. We're the ones with the worst list that needs a complete rebuild aren't we? Surely all those media pundits can't be wrong.
We are 1 big forward and probably 2 gun midfielders short of having a fairly decent side.
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We are 1 big forward and probably 2 gun midfielders short of having a fairly decent side.
Ramps, are you really Danny Frawley in disguise? ;D
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We are 1 big forward and probably 2 gun midfielders short of having a fairly decent side.
Ramps, are you really Danny Frawley in disguise? ;D
we are 1 big forward and 2 gun mids away from being cherry ripe, locked and loaded, ready for a tilt, headed for the holy grail and going about it all just one week at a time ;D
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BRISBANE Lions assistant coach Adrian Fletcher wants to coach Richmond next season.
No thanks, I've seen a product of the Lions threepeat at close qtrs in McCrae and he's as useless as a @#%$ full of cold water :o
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BRISBANE Lions assistant coach Adrian Fletcher wants to coach Richmond next season.
No thanks, I've seen a product of the Lions threepeat at close qtrs in McCrae and he's as useless as a @#%$ full of cold water :o
Yes with a bit of luck he won't be there next year.
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Whispers on 3aw says Hardwick was seen getting off a plane after spending the day with Port coach Mark Williams.
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Mail around town is that Mark Neeld interviewed extremely well. ;)
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Mail around town is that Mark Neeld interviewed extremely well. ;)
But he wasn't on the list that started this thread ;D
Whispers on 3aw says Hardwick was seen getting off a plane after spending the day with Port coach Mark Williams.
and that means what? whats the context of it?
Ramps with whispers it means exactly what it says - he spent the day at Port
Blind Freddie can see that Port would love to have Hardwick back and if they can find a a successor ala what the Pies ar etyring to do with Malthouse & Bucks they'll do it
My advice for Damien ... do what's best for yourself ;D
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BRISBANE Lions assistant coach Adrian Fletcher wants to coach Richmond next season.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=82070
Didn't Fletcher miss the cut? ???
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Mail around town is that Mark Neeld interviewed extremely well. ;)
But he wasn't on the list that started this thread ;D
Whispers on 3aw says Hardwick was seen getting off a plane after spending the day with Port coach Mark Williams.
and that means what? whats the context of it?
Ramps with whispers it means exactly what it says - he spent the day at Port
Blind Freddie can see that Port would love to have Hardwick back and if they can find a a successor ala what the Pies ar etyring to do with Malthouse & Bucks they'll do it
My advice for Damien ... do what's best for yourself ;D
a) Cant help bad luck :lol
b) My advice for Damien, dont listen to WP, WP doesnt want you at Richmond :lol
;D :cheers
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While there are at least two coaching vacancies at North Melbourne and Richmond, Fletcher says the Tigers' role is top of his wish list.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=82070
Seems to be the general trend. :thumbsup
Nah, couldn't be. We're the ones with the worst list that needs a complete rebuild aren't we? Surely all those media pundits can't be wrong.
we're miles ahead of north melbourne
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Mail around town is that Mark Neeld interviewed extremely well. ;)
But he wasn't on the list that started this thread ;D
Whispers on 3aw says Hardwick was seen getting off a plane after spending the day with Port coach Mark Williams.
and that means what? whats the context of it?
Ramps with whispers it means exactly what it says - he spent the day at Port
Blind Freddie can see that Port would love to have Hardwick back and if they can find a a successor ala what the Pies ar etyring to do with Malthouse & Bucks they'll do it
My advice for Damien ... do what's best for yourself ;D
since hawthorn just played port in adeliade over the weekend, it's not unreasonable to see hardwick catch up with mark williams.
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Mail around town is that Mark Neeld interviewed extremely well. ;)
I hope that ;) is a joke as I've heard the complete opposite
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b) My advice for Damien, dont listen to WP, WP doesnt want you at Richmond :lol
;D :cheers
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Not so Ramps - he just isn't my first choice he's around my 3rd :thumbsup ;D
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Heard Hardwick is leading the pack at this stage - belive it or not, I care not, but i hope we get him if he lives up to his reputation and proves to be the best for the club.
I wouldnt belive most rumours at this stage because you will might find 80% are BS
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Mail around town is that Mark Neeld interviewed extremely well. ;)
I hope that ;) is a joke as I've heard the complete opposite
;)
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Mail around town is that Mark Neeld interviewed extremely well. ;)
I hope that ;) is a joke as I've heard the complete opposite
;)
Should I be taking that as a sarcastic wink. ;D
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Hardwick holds coaching trump
Rohan Connolly and Jake Niall | August 7, 2009
HAWTHORN assistant coach Damien Hardwick could hold the key to the Richmond and North Melbourne coaching jobs.
The dual premiership player is a leading candidate for both positions, but is believed to hold a preference for Punt Road at this stage, because the Tigers have the advantage of being further advanced in their search for a coach and in their dealings with him.
North may have to decide whether to sit and wait to see if Hardwick wins the Richmond job or pursue only other candidates. The Roos have Hardwick lined up for an interview next week.
Richmond expects to move to a second stage of interviews next week, with Hardwick, caretaker coach Jade Rawlings, Essendon assistant Alan Richardson, Geelong assistant Ken Hinkley and Collingwood assistant Brad Scott having impressed the club's coaching sub-committee with their initial interviews and thus moving to the next phase.
North Melbourne is still finalising its initial list of candidates, with Hardwick, a former Kangaroos under-19s player, caretaker coach Darren Crocker and Sydney assistant John Longmire to be interviewed next week.
While that trio are the only confirmed candidates for interviews with the Roos, Scott and Hinkley, among others, could be added to the list.
But former Kangaroo premiership players David King and John Blakey have pulled out of the race, telling the club they would not be pursuing the senior position.
Richmond has informed four assistant coaches who were candidates - Bulldogs assistant Leon Cameron, Brisbane Lions Justin Leppitsch, Collingwood's Mark Neeld and North Melbourne's Anthony Rock - that they are out of the running.
King, who had already declared he was a non-starter for the Richmond job, said last night he would pursue other assistant coaching roles before attempting to win a senior post. He conceded that being an assistant with Richmond during the past five years had probably damaged his senior job prospects given the club's lack of success.
"I think five years experience as an assistant is enough to go for the gig, but I think when you see that it's been largely unsuccessful with Richmond, I'm probably going to need to get to other clubs and get some more experience," he said.
"When you're comparing CVs, my five years experience at Richmond doesn't help. It probably gives others an advantage. It's very difficult to compare assistant coaches, and on a CV you can only compare the success of those teams.
"I've learnt an enormous amount in five years, which I still think will hold me in good stead, and I still think there will be plenty of opportunity to put my hand up for senior jobs. I'm just going to wait and see what falls."
Richmond will complete its first round of interviews over the next few days. The Tigers will speak to West Coast assistant coach Peter Sumich and Brisbane Lions assistant Adrian Fletcher today, and expect to interview former North Melbourne coach Dean Laidley early next week.
Laidley has only recently returned from a holiday after resigning the North Melbourne job two months ago.
The Kangaroos panel for the interview process will comprise chief executive Eugene Arocca, football manager Donald McDonald and board members Ron Joseph and Trevor O'Hoy.
Arocca said last week that the club hoped to announce the new coach within a month.
Hardwick has also been contacted by Port Adelaide, which wanted to sound him out about serving as understudy to Mark Williams and taking over the senior coaching position at Alberton once Williams completed his two-year contract extension - a Collingwood-like arrangement for which the Power also sought out former Essendon star James Hird.
RICHMOND
In:
Damien Hardwick
Jade Rawlings
Alan Richardson
Ken Hinkley
Brad Scott
Maybe:
Peter Sumich
Adrian Fletcher
Dean Laidley
Out:
Leon Cameron
Justin Leppitsch
Mark Neeld
Anthony Rock
NORTH MELBOURNE
In:
Damien Hardwick
Darren Crocker
John Longmire
Maybe:
Brad Scott
Ken Hinkley
Out:
David King
John Blakey
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/the-main-man/2009/08/06/1249350637614.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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RICHMOND
In:
Damien Hardwick
Jade Rawlings
Alan Richardson
Ken Hinkley
Brad Scott
Maybe:
Peter Sumich
Adrian Fletcher
Dean Laidley
Out:
Leon Cameron
Justin Leppitsch
Mark Neeld
Anthony Rock
So Leon Cameron is really out. Probably the only surprise "name" to not go through. Rohan and Niall or Hutchy wrong on Leppitsch. You'd believe the former two to be right before Hutchy. Ramps will be happy Hardwick prefers Punt Rd at this stage.
Craig Cameron apparently said on Sunday on radio that Rawlings, Hardwick, Hinkley and 3 others were in. So two of the other three must be Richardson and Brad Scott. The media still uncertain who exactly is the sixth one?
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Richmond, Roos in advanced stages of recruiting coach
Mike Sheahan | August 07, 2009
RICHMOND'S coaching sub-committee will complete first-round interviews today when it meets Peter Sumich and Adrian Fletcher. Sumich, the long-time West Coast assistant, and Fletcher (Brisbane Lions) are hoping to join at least four hopefuls assured of a second hearing.
Caretaker Jade Rawlings and senior assistants at other clubs, Damien Hardwick (Hawthorn), Ken Hinkley (Geelong) and Alan Richardson (Essendon), are through to the next round.
The Tigers are understood to have interviewed up to 10 applicants, with Sumich, Fletcher and, perhaps, former North Melbourne coach Dean Laidley still to come.
North Melbourne also is advanced in its search for a successor to Laidley.
The Roos are believed to have six or seven contenders.
They are headed by caretaker Darren Crocker, long-time Sydney assistant and North premiership player John Longmire, Hardwick and Collingwood assistant and Brisbane Lions premiership player Brad Scott.
The status of senior hopefuls Leon Cameron (Western Bulldogs) and Justin Leppitsch (Brisbane Lions) in the broad coaching mix is not known.
Hardwick is a strong contender for both vacancies, given his perfect pedigree -- premierships as a player at Essendon and Port Adelaide and as an assistant coach at Hawthorn.
Hinkley has the experience plus his senior status at Geelong, the most successful club of the past three years.
Richardson has a low profile, but he has his admirers, particularly at Punt Rd, as an acknowledged development coach at Collingwood, the Bulldogs and now Essendon.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25893779-19742,00.html
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Craig Cameron apparently said on Sunday on radio that Rawlings, Hardwick, Hinkley and 3 others were in. So two of the other three must be Richardson and Brad Scott. The media still uncertain who exactly is the sixth one?
Might be Laidley - he is already through to the next round and they might have been counting him.
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It's all very interesting ;D
None of the media seem to have a clue :rollin
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It's all very interesting ;D
None of the media seem to have a clue :rollin
And this surprises you because? ... :lol
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It's all very interesting ;D
None of the media seem to have a clue :rollin
And this surprises you because? ... :lol
Please note how I didn't say it was surprising used interesting instead ....
Because let's be honest it aint surprising they don't have a clue :rollin :rollin :lol
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And either do the RFC.
Whats sad is this, as soon as someone gets interviewed ,RFC are straight on the phone to the media.
Its just a circus. :banghead
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And either do the RFC.
Whats sad is this, as soon as someone gets interviewed ,RFC are straight on the phone to the media.
Its just a circus. :banghead
Well considering that no one seems to know who is on that final list, i was suggest in this case that the exact opposite has happened!
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And either do the RFC.
Whats sad is this, as soon as someone gets interviewed ,RFC are straight on the phone to the media.
Its just a circus. :banghead
How on earth can you qualify that?
For all you know the journos have called and asked each candidate
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Cause Richmond have the most media interviews every week ;D
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Greg Denham said this morning that Hardwicks and Hinkleys first presentations were outstanding ;D
Denham also stated that what Richmond really needed in a coach was a winner. And his candidate for the mighty tiggers
Damien Hardwick :thumbsup
Smart man is Denham :D
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Greg Denham said this morning that Hardwicks and Hinkleys first presentations were outstanding ;D
Denham also stated that what Richmond really needed in a coach was a winner. And his candidate for the mighty tiggers
Damien Hardwick :thumbsup
Smart man is Denham :D
mark harvey has all the same attributes also, great coach he is lol
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Greg Denham said this morning that Hardwicks and Hinkleys first presentations were outstanding ;D
Denham also stated that what Richmond really needed in a coach was a winner. And his candidate for the mighty tiggers
Damien Hardwick :thumbsup
Smart man is Denham :D
mark harvey has all the same attributes also, great coach he is lol
Mark Harvey stayed to long at Essendon, only got success at Essendon. Hardwick has seen success at Essendon, Port Adelaide and Hawthorn. Its a big difference. Secondly from what I hear Hardwicks communication skills are better than Harveys. Not the same, way different. One cant be compared to the other.
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just stuffing with ya ramps
i dont care who we get as long as we get the right man whever he is
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Hardwick holds coaching trump
Rohan Connolly and Jake Niall | August 7, 2009
HAWTHORN assistant coach Damien Hardwick could hold the key to the Richmond and North Melbourne coaching jobs.
The dual premiership player is a leading candidate for both positions, but is believed to hold a preference for Punt Road at this stage, because the Tigers have the advantage of being further advanced in their search for a coach and in their dealings with him.
North may have to decide whether to sit and wait to see if Hardwick wins the Richmond job or pursue only other candidates. The Roos have Hardwick lined up for an interview next week.
Richmond expects to move to a second stage of interviews next week, with Hardwick, caretaker coach Jade Rawlings, Essendon assistant Alan Richardson, Geelong assistant Ken Hinkley and Collingwood assistant Brad Scott having impressed the club's coaching sub-committee with their initial interviews and thus moving to the next phase.
North Melbourne is still finalising its initial list of candidates, with Hardwick, a former Kangaroos under-19s player, caretaker coach Darren Crocker and Sydney assistant John Longmire to be interviewed next week.
While that trio are the only confirmed candidates for interviews with the Roos, Scott and Hinkley, among others, could be added to the list.
But former Kangaroo premiership players David King and John Blakey have pulled out of the race, telling the club they would not be pursuing the senior position.
Richmond has informed four assistant coaches who were candidates - Bulldogs assistant Leon Cameron, Brisbane Lions Justin Leppitsch, Collingwood's Mark Neeld and North Melbourne's Anthony Rock - that they are out of the running.
King, who had already declared he was a non-starter for the Richmond job, said last night he would pursue other assistant coaching roles before attempting to win a senior post. He conceded that being an assistant with Richmond during the past five years had probably damaged his senior job prospects given the club's lack of success.
"I think five years experience as an assistant is enough to go for the gig, but I think when you see that it's been largely unsuccessful with Richmond, I'm probably going to need to get to other clubs and get some more experience," he said.
"When you're comparing CVs, my five years experience at Richmond doesn't help. It probably gives others an advantage. It's very difficult to compare assistant coaches, and on a CV you can only compare the success of those teams.
"I've learnt an enormous amount in five years, which I still think will hold me in good stead, and I still think there will be plenty of opportunity to put my hand up for senior jobs. I'm just going to wait and see what falls."
Richmond will complete its first round of interviews over the next few days. The Tigers will speak to West Coast assistant coach Peter Sumich and Brisbane Lions assistant Adrian Fletcher today, and expect to interview former North Melbourne coach Dean Laidley early next week.
Laidley has only recently returned from a holiday after resigning the North Melbourne job two months ago.
The Kangaroos panel for the interview process will comprise chief executive Eugene Arocca, football manager Donald McDonald and board members Ron Joseph and Trevor O'Hoy.
Arocca said last week that the club hoped to announce the new coach within a month.
Hardwick has also been contacted by Port Adelaide, which wanted to sound him out about serving as understudy to Mark Williams and taking over the senior coaching position at Alberton once Williams completed his two-year contract extension - a Collingwood-like arrangement for which the Power also sought out former Essendon star James Hird.
RICHMONDDamien Hardwick (pictured)
In:
Jade Rawlings
Alan Richardson
Ken Hinkley
Brad Scott
Maybe:Peter Sumich
Adrian Fletcher
Dean Laidley
Out:Leon Cameron
Justin Leppitsch
Mark Neeld
Anthony Rock
NORTH MELBOURNEDamien Hardwick
In:
Darren Crocker
John Longmire
Maybe:Brad Scott
Ken Hinkley
Out:David King
John Blakey
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/the-main-man/2009/08/06/1249350637614.html
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Hardwick :thumbsup
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Hardwick also comes from a family of educators so developing and teaching players comes very natural to him. Finding the best way to get the most from a player is a natural strength. Not sure about how good he is tactically or in front of the media but he would do a tremendous job grooming the young players in our side.
Stripes
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its just has to be Hardwick
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I'll keep my preference to myself for now :shh :rollin
If you don't tell us your preference WP I'm going to have to start calling you Thorpie :lol
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Greg Denham said this morning that Hardwicks and Hinkleys first presentations were outstanding ;D
Denham also stated that what Richmond really needed in a coach was a winner. And his candidate for the mighty tiggers
Damien Hardwick :thumbsup
Smart man is Denham :D
Sorry Ramps, with Denham's support Hardwick is doomed :rollin
If you don't tell us your preference WP I'm going to have to start calling you Thorpie :lol
that's like totally sick Jake :lol
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The supporters want Hardwick. I think thats pretty apparent now. Its only a small minority that want Rawlings. Once again these supporters are being sucked in by the Gieschen effect.
Richmond must go with the Premiership experience and that is Damien Hardwick.
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The supporters want Hardwick. I think thats pretty apparent now. Its only a small minority that want Rawlings. Once again these supporters are being sucked in by the Gieschen effect.
Richmond must go with the Premiership experience and that is Damien Hardwick.
Disagree ramps! I think it is the anti rawlings camp that is getting sucked in by the geishen effect. How long does it take for a caretaker coach to shake the geishen effect? I would hate to see the process effected by the geishen effect and not allow us to chose the right man even though he is the best due solely to one caretaker coach from the late 90's.
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The supporters want Hardwick. I think thats pretty apparent now. Its only a small minority that want Rawlings. Once again these supporters are being sucked in by the Gieschen effect.
Richmond must go with the Premiership experience and that is Damien Hardwick.
Disagree ramps! I think it is the anti rawlings camp that is getting sucked in by the geishen effect. How long does it take for a caretaker coach to shake the geishen effect? I would hate to see the process effected by the geishen effect and not allow us to chose the right man even though he is the best due solely to one caretaker coach from the late 90's.
no it is you who is wrong amigo.
The Facts are.
a draw against North
a lucky win against a TANKING demons
a lucky win against the Bombers, another team outside the top 8
a win "HOME" against the hapless Eagles.
a loss against the Saints which they showed no spirit whatsoever.
has the skill level improved under Rawlings. No!! Our skill level is still terrible. FACT!!!
we need much more than Jade has to offer. Nice guy but nice guys dont win flags...
The only reason why it seems some players are responding to him is because their future is on the line. They are still crap players and we still have too many players with bad disposal that will not win us a flag.
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Well its settled! Never again should any club ever hire a caretaker coach again! It is doomed to fail as Richmond once hired a man by the name of Jeff Gieschen and he just managed to have the best win/loss ratio of any other coach apart from Jade Rawlings who is, coincidentally, a care taker coach himself! Paul Roos was complete fluke that can never ever be repeated! Unfortunately, even though you may be the best bloke for the job, we have a process, thats right the famous process, that does not allow clubs to hire caretaker coaches!
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Well its settled! Never again should any club ever hire a caretaker coach again! It is doomed to fail as Richmond once hired a man by the name of Jeff Gieschen and he just managed to have the best win/loss ratio of any other coach apart from Jade Rawlings who is, coincidentally, a care taker coach himself! Paul Roos was complete fluke that can never ever be repeated! Unfortunately, even though you may be the best bloke for the job, we have a process, thats right the famous process, that does not allow clubs to hire caretaker coaches!
Caretaker coaches
Ask me will Crocker win a flag at North if he is given the job?
Harvey at Freo?
Heck even Neil Craig won't at least until 2012-13 and he is merely keeping his team competitive on the back of strict disciple and ageing premiership stars. He missed the boat in 05 and 06. Remember Bomber Thompsons 8 year plan that came to fruition in 2007. Was he a caretaker.
Grant Thomas came in as caretaker. Flag? No
Ratten at Carlton?
The only flag since the end of the 2nd world war to be won by a caretaker coach was Roos in 03. Other than Jezza in 79 who took over after Stewart got sacked early in the year because he was the captain and spiritual leader of that footy club.
That's 1 in 65 years.
I'll get better odds telling you what number will fall out of the barrel in tattslotto tomorrow. 1 in 45 then 1 in 44 1 in 43 and so on.
Come on GR 12 tell me why Jade should be beating the odds beacause currently as things stand we all have a better chance to win the lottery than us to win a flag with a caretaker.
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Paul Roos was complete fluke that can never ever be repeated! Unfortunately, even though you may be the best bloke for the job, we have a process, thats right the famous process, that does not allow clubs to hire caretaker coaches!
IMO Rawlings being caretaker should neither count for him or against him.
In Roos' case it probably did count for him (and was a good choice) and that was because he inherited a list which was 5th-8th during Eade's reign and Sydney desperately wanted to top up rather than bottom out. He knew the club, knew the list, had a solid if unspectactular senior core and was the best man to squeeze the best out of the list, identify its shortcomings and strategically add to it with experienced players.
In our case well you would expect us to be out of finals next season at least we are having a fresh start anyway. We're cutting 10-15 players don't have much of a senior core. It is going to be aq fresh start anyway.
If Rawlings is a better coach than Hardwick, Hinkley and the rest he deserves the job, if not then he doesn't.
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The name of the next Richmond will start with the letter R :shh
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The name of the next Richmond will start with the letter R :shh
Ramps?
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Tucker, what your saying is that statistics alone should count him out! I am saying that merely due to the fact that he is caretaker should not count him out, only his downfalls. Also your stats on premiership caretaker coaches are a little baffling. Technically at the moment a coach only has a 6% chance of winning the flag with all things being equal. Not a good strike rate! As we know, not all things are equal so therfore the odds are slimmer for coaches of clubs like ours!Thats why stats never tell the full story.
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Caretaker coaches
Ask me will Crocker win a flag at North if he is given the job?
Harvey at Freo?
Heck even Neil Craig won't at least until 2012-13 and he is merely keeping his team competitive on the back of strict disciple and ageing premiership stars. He missed the boat in 05 and 06. Remember Bomber Thompsons 8 year plan that came to fruition in 2007. Was he a caretaker.
Grant Thomas came in as caretaker. Flag? No
Ratten at Carlton?
Roos...caretaker - team has played heaps of finals....
Craig - if he lasts till 2012 means he was there for about 8 years...played in finals...if you dont like how the crows are travelling then i ask you this...would you swap what you are planning to do this September with what a crows supporter is planning to do? Hell yeah...we all would...Crows under Craig have played in finals in 05, 06, 07, 08....ummm thats 2 more finals series than we have in the past 26 years....but if you dont like Neil Craig...then i would take him.......
Ratten...likely to play finals this year...you can say all you like about tanking to get draft picks...but blues are going to play finals ...We are not...
Saints...personally i do not have much regard for Thomas...but Thomas put in place a culture at that club that it did not have before...the team played finals under him...that culture is still there today...If we had that culture ...maybe we could play finals too...
Why am i so hung up on finals...cos you need to be playing them first before you can win a premiership....you need to get there....RFC has spectacularly failed in the past 26 years...2 finals campaigns is downright deplorable....especially when half the teams get to play finals...we consistently dont...
I dont care if Rawlings does or doesnt get the job...i agree with the other posters on here...It should not count against him. If he interviews and comes out on top in the process...great...if it is someone else..great too...At least there is no knee jerk reaction and the club appears to have a comprehensive selection process in place to find the best candidate....
Oh and finally..i dont think Roos won a flag in 03..think it was 05 ...in fact isnt it a cup nowadays and not a flag?
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The name of the next Richmond will start with the letter R :shh
Roos ?
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Caretaker coaches
Ask me will Crocker win a flag at North if he is given the job?
Harvey at Freo?
Heck even Neil Craig won't at least until 2012-13 and he is merely keeping his team competitive on the back of strict disciple and ageing premiership stars. He missed the boat in 05 and 06. Remember Bomber Thompsons 8 year plan that came to fruition in 2007. Was he a caretaker.
Grant Thomas came in as caretaker. Flag? No
Ratten at Carlton?
Roos...caretaker - team has played heaps of finals....
Craig - if he lasts till 2012 means he was there for about 8 years...played in finals...if you dont like how the crows are travelling then i ask you this...would you swap what you are planning to do this September with what a crows supporter is planning to do? Hell yeah...we all would...Crows under Craig have played in finals in 05, 06, 07, 08....ummm thats 2 more finals series than we have in the past 26 years....but if you dont like Neil Craig...then i would take him.......
Ratten...likely to play finals this year...you can say all you like about tanking to get draft picks...but blues are going to play finals ...We are not...
Saints...personally i do not have much regard for Thomas...but Thomas put in place a culture at that club that it did not have before...the team played finals under him...that culture is still there today...If we had that culture ...maybe we could play finals too...
Why am i so hung up on finals...cos you need to be playing them first before you can win a premiership....you need to get there....RFC has spectacularly failed in the past 26 years...2 finals campaigns is downright deplorable....especially when half the teams get to play finals...we consistently dont...
I dont care if Rawlings does or doesnt get the job...i agree with the other posters on here...It should not count against him. If he interviews and comes out on top in the process...great...if it is someone else..great too...At least there is no knee jerk reaction and the club appears to have a comprehensive selection process in place to find the best candidate....
Oh and finally..i dont think Roos won a flag in 03..think it was 05 ...in fact isnt it a cup nowadays and not a flag?
There is massive differences in Neil Craig and Brett Ratten with Jade.
Neil Craig:
Premiership Player in 1975 and 1978 in the SANFL
Captain of SA in 1984
11 State of Origin Appearances
319 senior games SANFL
Spent years in Australian Cycling circles helping Australians win Gold Medals at Olympics
Neil Craig= Winner
Brett Ratten
1995 Premiership Player
State of Origin Player
All Australian Player
Did what he had to do in the year he was Caretaker and landed Kreuzer with Pick 1.
What is exactly on Jades CV?
Jade needs to bide his time and go get himself a flag at a lower level then come back for a tilt at the big time.
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Greg Denham on KB's show this morning said Hardwick and Hinkley interviewed very impressively in the first round of interviews with us.
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Greg Denham on KB's show this morning said Hardwick and Hinkley interviewed very impressively in the first round of interviews with us.
I take his word with a grain od salt after the peanut suggested cambo was an unbackable favourite for caretaker quoting rawlo at 6-1 :o
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Not sure where he's getting his info from or just guessing ??? but Luke Darcy on SEN just now reckons it's now down to 4 candidates - Hardwick, Hinkley, Richardson and Rawlings.
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Not sure where he's getting his info from or just guessing ??? but Luke Darcy on SEN just now reckons it's now down to 4 candidates - Hardwick, Hinkley, Richardson and Rawlings.
I take all these predictions with a total grain of salt mate- no-one knows what has been happening and anyone who says they do is just making a best guess. We will finish off the process soon enough and make an announcement. The Club would not be releasing any info to the media- the only way they can find anything out I guess is to contact those who have made it known they have been excluded from the next stage (Like Cameron etc).
We just need to be patient.
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The supporters want Hardwick. I think thats pretty apparent now. Its only a small minority that want Rawlings. Once again these supporters are being sucked in by the Gieschen effect.
Richmond must go with the Premiership experience and that is Damien Hardwick.
That's very funny Ramps - the supporters want Hardwick and you base this on what exactly?
I was at a function a few weeks ago and the people I was speaking to were talking up the 2 "R's" as their preferred options (Richardson & Rawlings). Only one person mentioned wanting Hardwick and that was their option only if Richardson didn't get the job....
One person said to me that they didn't want Hardwick because he (DH) had been at Port and this person didn't like the way Port played footy and he didn't want that style at Richmond... :lol :lol
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The supporters want Hardwick. I think thats pretty apparent now. Its only a small minority that want Rawlings. Once again these supporters are being sucked in by the Gieschen effect.
Richmond must go with the Premiership experience and that is Damien Hardwick.
That's very funny Ramps - the supporters want Hardwick and you base this on what exactly?
I was at a function a few weeks ago and the people I was speaking to were talking up the 2 "R's" as their preferred options (Richardson & Rawlings). Only one person mentioned wanting Hardwick and that was their option only if Richardson didn't get the job....
One person said to me that they didn't want Hardwick because he (DH) had been at Port and this person didn't like the way Port played footy and he didn't want that style at Richmond... :lol :lol
I understand some of you guys want one of the 2 R's, but the reality is that the majority of the supporters want a winner and Hardwick is a PROVEN winner.
Im also waiting for any of the Rawlings supporters to tell me what is on his CV and how his CV is better than the other candidates success wise.
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I understand some of you guys want one of the 2 R's, but the reality is that the majority of the supporters want a winner and Hardwick is a PROVEN winner.
Im also waiting for any of the Rawlings supporters to tell me what is on his CV and how his CV is better than the other candidates success wise.
Ramps - I want the best person for the job. I think the vast majority want the best person the job nothing more nothing less
It is interesting you say that want to know what is on Rawlings CV but from a coaching perspective only apart from Hardwick being an assistant at both Port and Hawthorn you and others are not able to tell what exactly is on Hardwick's CV or anyone elses for that matter. There is more needed than having been part of clubs that have had succsess
I will repeat what I asked earlier in this thread but what are his and others skills at:
- developing young players
- communication with both young and senior players
- game plan and structure
- what is his exact job as an assistant? Mids, Forwards, defenders - has alternated over time in all roles or has he just been an assistant in one area (eg mids)
These are the relevant questions for all candidates. Their history forms part of it but what they can do in the future is the key
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Interesting reading the Cousins interview in the HUN
Ben said:
I very much look at Jade as a coach. With a young coach you may not get that feeling, but I look at him and I see a coach. I've really enjoyed working under him.
Ben Cousins: HUN 8/8/2009
See http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=4618.msg153173#msg153173 for full interview
Ben Cousins is one persons view (as player) I'd pay attention too - only because he has had a few coaches in his time :thumbsup
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Just for the record...
Jade has played in 5 (won 3) final matches during his playing career at Hawthorn.(00 & 01)
Played in the preliminary final in 01 where the Hawks nearly caused a "boil over" to make the GF.He picked up a handy 19 disposals in that match.
Hardwick has played in 23 finals (won 12) -2 premierships.
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Just one more for the record....
Alastair Clarkson played only one final as a player when he was a 19 year old kangaroo back in 1987.
They lost that match by 118 pts.
His 41 games for Melbourne resulted in 30 losses.
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Just one more for the record....
Alastair Clarkson played only one final as a player when he was a 19 year old kangaroo back in 1987.
They lost that match by 118 pts.
His 41 games for Melbourne resulted in 30 losses.
it kinda underlines my view that playing in premierships says nothing about ones ability to manage 50 people and guide them to the promised land
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Caretaker coaches
Ask me will Crocker win a flag at North if he is given the job?
Harvey at Freo?
Heck even Neil Craig won't at least until 2012-13 and he is merely keeping his team competitive on the back of strict disciple and ageing premiership stars. He missed the boat in 05 and 06. Remember Bomber Thompsons 8 year plan that came to fruition in 2007. Was he a caretaker.
Grant Thomas came in as caretaker. Flag? No
Ratten at Carlton?
Roos...caretaker - team has played heaps of finals....
Craig - if he lasts till 2012 means he was there for about 8 years...played in finals...if you dont like how the crows are travelling then i ask you this...would you swap what you are planning to do this September with what a crows supporter is planning to do? Hell yeah...we all would...Crows under Craig have played in finals in 05, 06, 07, 08....ummm thats 2 more finals series than we have in the past 26 years....but if you dont like Neil Craig...then i would take him.......
Ratten...likely to play finals this year...you can say all you like about tanking to get draft picks...but blues are going to play finals ...We are not...
Saints...personally i do not have much regard for Thomas...but Thomas put in place a culture at that club that it did not have before...the team played finals under him...that culture is still there today...If we had that culture ...maybe we could play finals too...
Why am i so hung up on finals...cos you need to be playing them first before you can win a premiership....you need to get there....RFC has spectacularly failed in the past 26 years...2 finals campaigns is downright deplorable....especially when half the teams get to play finals...we consistently dont...
I dont care if Rawlings does or doesnt get the job...i agree with the other posters on here...It should not count against him. If he interviews and comes out on top in the process...great...if it is someone else..great too...At least there is no knee jerk reaction and the club appears to have a comprehensive selection process in place to find the best candidate....
Oh and finally..i dont think Roos won a flag in 03..think it was 05 ...in fact isnt it a cup nowadays and not a flag?
Finals are good and Adelaide are playing well but no GF's and no premierships and thats what footy is about. I love Neil Craig and think he is a great coach and would love him at the RFC but he was a CARETAKER for the last 9 games in 2004 before he was given the job full time post 2004 season. CARETAKER CARETAKER. Rawlings if he is successful in gaining the RFC job full time will not be a caretaker but if you cared to read what I wrote Cocho rather than swipe you would have pleasantly noticed that my statistics were based on caoches who were originally caretakers and got the gigs at that club full time at a later point in time for whatever tenure.
Still the statistics don't lie Roos was originally a Caretaker at Sydney got the job full time at Sydney later and won in 2005 a flag or premiership or cup or pennant or championship or conquered the mountain, hill, mound or whatever above sea level elevation you like. 1 coach in the last 64 years.
By the way Nei
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Jon Ralph said on Ch 10 Hardwick is the favourite for both jobs. He reckons we'll know in 2-3 weeks.
Wayne Carey has come out publicly and pumped up Longmire's tyres for the gig at North.
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Just one more for the record....
Alastair Clarkson played only one final as a player when he was a 19 year old kangaroo back in 1987.
They lost that match by 118 pts.
His 41 games for Melbourne resulted in 30 losses.
it kinda underlines my view that playing in premierships says nothing about ones ability to manage 50 people and guide them to the promised land
Clarkson coached Central Districts to a SANFL flag (2001?) before joining Mark Williams at Port as an assistant in their 2004 flag. He didn't see success as a player but he hasn't missed out as a coach at any level. Probably the only "box" Hardwick doesn't tick is coaching his own team/club at a lower level.
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Current caretaker coach Jade Rawlings, ex-Kangaroos coach Dean Laidley, Essendon assistant Alan Richardson and Port Adelaide assistant Damien Hardwick are understood to be among the short-listed candidates to coach the Tigers next year and beyond.
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=848082
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Clarkson coached Central Districts to a SANFL flag (2001?) before joining Mark Williams at Port as an assistant in their 2004 flag. He didn't see success as a player but he hasn't missed out as a coach at any level. Probably the only "box" Hardwick doesn't tick is coaching his own team/club at a lower level.
then that makes Hardwick no different than Campbell, he shouldnot coach us if he never coached a team on his own
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then that makes Hardwick no different than Campbell, he shouldnot coach us if he never coached a team on his own
That's a very interesting point you make Monk.
Would be interested to here others comment on that one :thumbsup
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then that makes Hardwick no different than Campbell, he shouldnot coach us if he never coached a team on his own
That's a very interesting point you make Monk.
Would be interested to here others comment on that one :thumbsup
HAVING SUCCESS AS AN ASSISTANT IS BETTER THAN HAVING COACHED YOUR OWN TEAM AND NOT GONE ANYWHERE. SOME OF YOU BLOKES WANT PEOPLE LIKE RAWLINGS AND KNIGHTS ETC. These guys have never had any success coaching ANYWHERE- Infact these guys in reality never had success in team environments. And that Gentlemen is the FACTS!
IF A CANDIDATE has NO PREMIERSHIP EXPERIENCE then they CANNOT Become Coach.
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HAVING SUCCESS AS AN ASSISTANT IS BETTER THAN HAVING COACHED YOUR OWN TEAM AND NOT GONE ANYWHERE. SOME OF YOU BLOKES WANT PEOPLE LIKE RAWLINGS AND KNIGHTS ETC. These guys have never had any success coaching ANYWHERE- Infact these guys in reality never had success in team environments. And that Gentlemen is the FACTS!
IF A CANDIDATE has NO PREMIERSHIP EXPERIENCE then they CANNOT Become Coach.
Ramps thats just stupid what you wrote about having success as a assistant is better than coaching your own team.
until someone has coached thier own side against other coaches being a assistant dont make you a coach.
Its a whole new world when you take control of the players & the staff you are directing under you.
many assistant coaches work for many years some like Royal, Bond, Odonnell, Crocker, just to name a few & are overlooked because they dont come up at interview or presentation. Not everyone is cut out to be a AFL coach & thats why its important to have coached your own team so when you do present yourself for the top job you have the requirements what clubs are looking for.
Playing & coaching in premierships is very different
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Thats why its important to get it right this time around otherwise the supporters will drop off & Richmond will lose players like what happened with Ottens Or Maxfield which was one of Richmond worse mistakes
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then that makes Hardwick no different than Campbell, he shouldnot coach us if he never coached a team on his own
That's a very interesting point you make Monk.
Would be interested to here others comment on that one :thumbsup
i dont want hardwick, his all bark no bite, has this great reputation as a coach but really hasnty done anything as a coach , just been someones lil biatch
how do u rate the hawks coaching this yr wow fantastic great
hardwick fos
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then that makes Hardwick no different than Campbell, he shouldnot coach us if he never coached a team on his own
That's a very interesting point you make Monk.
Would be interested to here others comment on that one :thumbsup
i dont want hardwick, his all bark no bite, has this great reputation as a coach but really hasnty done anything as a coach , just been someones lil biatch
how do u rate the hawks coaching this yr wow fantastic great
hardwick fos
i couldnt care less about how about the Hawks this year i care about one thing. "a Flag". something that was delivered last year from their coaching staff. Thats got to count for somethiong wouldn't you say.
Now i dont know much about Richardson to be honest but i hear good things also but Hardwick is our man. If not ours North will grab him.
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In my opinion there is successful players, successful assistant coaches and successful head coaches at any sport at any level. There are those who are going to be successful players, but not great assistant coaches. There are going to be successful assistant coaches who never become great head coaches (to many to name really), and there are going to be successful players who never become great head coaches (Tim Watson, I suppose Terry Wallace as well).
All this talk of we need a coach who ticks the box of being in a preimership side, or who ticks the box of coaching their own football team in some way shape or form are all cases where it would be handy but not essential. There are plenty of successful coaches in other sports who have not had success as a player or assistant coach and have gone on to have tremendous success as a coach, why is AFL football any different? As a Richmond fan, I want the coach who can do the job better than anyone else. Who has a plan for success which is logical and is possible. I want a coach who is going to better the team, and better the players, and start them on the road to success. If thats a successful player and a successful assistant coach then so be it. If its the assistant coach of the Craigieburn under 12 team then so be it.
Richmond's next coach needs to be a man who has the ability and plan to change the football club. It does not need a coach who has 'the right pedigree'.
Just my 2 cents.
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In my opinion there is successful players, successful assistant coaches and successful head coaches at any sport at any level. There are those who are going to be successful players, but not great assistant coaches. There are going to be successful assistant coaches who never become great head coaches (to many to name really), and there are going to be successful players who never become great head coaches (Tim Watson, I suppose Terry Wallace as well).
All this talk of we need a coach who ticks the box of being in a preimership side, or who ticks the box of coaching their own football team in some way shape or form are all cases where it would be handy but not essential. There are plenty of successful coaches in other sports who have not had success as a player or assistant coach and have gone on to have tremendous success as a coach, why is AFL football any different? As a Richmond fan, I want the coach who can do the job better than anyone else. Who has a plan for success which is logical and is possible. I want a coach who is going to better the team, and better the players, and start them on the road to success. If thats a successful player and a successful assistant coach then so be it. If its the assistant coach of the Craigieburn under 12 team then so be it.
Richmond's next coach needs to be a man who has the ability and plan to change the football club. It does not need a coach who has 'the right pedigree'.
Just my 2 cents.
And an excellent 2 cents worth it is too Jobba!
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In my opinion there is successful players, successful assistant coaches and successful head coaches at any sport at any level. There are those who are going to be successful players, but not great assistant coaches. There are going to be successful assistant coaches who never become great head coaches (to many to name really), and there are going to be successful players who never become great head coaches (Tim Watson, I suppose Terry Wallace as well).
All this talk of we need a coach who ticks the box of being in a preimership side, or who ticks the box of coaching their own football team in some way shape or form are all cases where it would be handy but not essential. There are plenty of successful coaches in other sports who have not had success as a player or assistant coach and have gone on to have tremendous success as a coach, why is AFL football any different? As a Richmond fan, I want the coach who can do the job better than anyone else. Who has a plan for success which is logical and is possible. I want a coach who is going to better the team, and better the players, and start them on the road to success. If thats a successful player and a successful assistant coach then so be it. If its the assistant coach of the Craigieburn under 12 team then so be it.
Richmond's next coach needs to be a man who has the ability and plan to change the football club. It does not need a coach who has 'the right pedigree'.
Just my 2 cents.
And an excellent 2 cents worth it is too Jobba!
EXACTLY
hardwick has had the fortune of being surrounded by winners, does not make him a winner
paul roos is a winner, and he is poles apart from hardwick
we need someone who can bring us back from the lowest of lows, hardwick isnt the man
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I don't think we can judge assistant coaches on anything from afar. We can all guess how good they are. Point to the success they have been part of elsewhere. Talk about how they approached the game when they played. Ultimately we really don't know. We can only hope that our club is looking for the right things in a coach to bring us that success we have all been starved for for decades.
Jobba - great post.
Stripes
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In my opinion there is successful players, successful assistant coaches and successful head coaches at any sport at any level. There are those who are going to be successful players, but not great assistant coaches. There are going to be successful assistant coaches who never become great head coaches (to many to name really), and there are going to be successful players who never become great head coaches (Tim Watson, I suppose Terry Wallace as well).
All this talk of we need a coach who ticks the box of being in a preimership side, or who ticks the box of coaching their own football team in some way shape or form are all cases where it would be handy but not essential. There are plenty of successful coaches in other sports who have not had success as a player or assistant coach and have gone on to have tremendous success as a coach, why is AFL football any different? As a Richmond fan, I want the coach who can do the job better than anyone else. Who has a plan for success which is logical and is possible. I want a coach who is going to better the team, and better the players, and start them on the road to success. If thats a successful player and a successful assistant coach then so be it. If its the assistant coach of the Craigieburn under 12 team then so be it.
Richmond's next coach needs to be a man who has the ability and plan to change the football club. It does not need a coach who has 'the right pedigree'.
Just my 2 cents.
One of the best posts on this subject i have read :clapping :clapping
Well said Jobba
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In my opinion there is successful players, successful assistant coaches and successful head coaches at any sport at any level. There are those who are going to be successful players, but not great assistant coaches. There are going to be successful assistant coaches who never become great head coaches (to many to name really), and there are going to be successful players who never become great head coaches (Tim Watson, I suppose Terry Wallace as well).
All this talk of we need a coach who ticks the box of being in a preimership side, or who ticks the box of coaching their own football team in some way shape or form are all cases where it would be handy but not essential. There are plenty of successful coaches in other sports who have not had success as a player or assistant coach and have gone on to have tremendous success as a coach, why is AFL football any different? As a Richmond fan, I want the coach who can do the job better than anyone else. Who has a plan for success which is logical and is possible. I want a coach who is going to better the team, and better the players, and start them on the road to success. If thats a successful player and a successful assistant coach then so be it. If its the assistant coach of the Craigieburn under 12 team then so be it.
Richmond's next coach needs to be a man who has the ability and plan to change the football club. It does not need a coach who has 'the right pedigree'.
Just my 2 cents.
One of the best posts on this subject i have read :clapping :clapping
Well said Jobba
yep, I would agree with that