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Tigers in dire need of extra help from AFL (Age)
« on: April 08, 2010, 12:52:13 AM »
Tigers in dire need of extra help from AFL
JAKE NIALL
April 8, 2010

 

IN THEORY, the expansion of the competition will hurt all 16 clubs, which will lose players to the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney. In theory, the pain will be spread more or less evenly, as the new teams pick the eyes, ears and vital organs out of the 2010 and 2011 drafts, leaving only scraps for the rest.

In reality, the Richmond Football Club, the least successful club in the competition over the past quarter century, stands to be the biggest loser from expansion. It is a situation that ought to concern the AFL, which should be more mindful of the impact of expansion on the weak than the strong.

The Richmond administration must approach the AFL soon and argue the case that, as the foremost victim of expansion, it is entitled to compensation. The AFL ought to lend a sympathetic ear.

If it is prepared to reconsider Geelong's hypothetical compensation for losing Gary Ablett, then it also must consider carefully the impact of losing premium draft picks on the hapless Tigers, whose supporters have seen barely five minutes of on-field sunshine since 1982. They cannot hang on forever.

In the modern AFL, it is the promise of blue skies - via a Riewoldt, Hodge or Cooney - that sustains the hope and interest of supporters. Richmond's faithful, already tortured by serial failure, have less hope without AFL intervention.

There is a logical way of giving Richmond the assistance it desperately needs that doesn't interfere with the next two drafts.

Richmond is bottoming out in 2010 and, unless Damien Hardwick has supernatural coaching powers, will finish bottom two this year. The state of its playing list is comparable to Melbourne in 2008, when the Demons won three games and finished last, and to Carlton of 2005 or 2006, both spoon years.

The critical difference between Melbourne of 2008, Carlton of 2005-6 and Tigers of today is that the Dees and Blues were given access to the best talent via the draft; Carlton had pick one three times, the Demons earned pick one twice and pick two once, plus an extra choice inside the first 20. Richmond will not be so well compensated for its misery. As a result of the Gold Coast's entry, the best possible draft pick Richmond can hope for in 2010 - even if it won one or two games - would be pick No 4. Its second choice would be in the late 20s.

But finishing last is much preferable to being 15th, particularly if Melbourne unexpectedly takes its third consecutive spoon with no more than four wins. Under the rules, the Demons would then earn a priority selection and receive the first two non-Gold Coast draft picks (No 4 and No 6). The Tigers, who have a weaker playing list, would get No 8. If North Melbourne was last, the Tigers would receive No 6.

Bear in mind, too, that the draft pool is already diluted by the dozen 17-year-olds that the Gold Coast have signed, and that GWS has the same deal. Pick four, thus, is really tantamount to pick six or seven. The currency of the picks is devalued. The Tigers are getting paid in New Zealand dollars.

Leigh Matthews has suggested that Richmond and Melbourne, as competition weaklings, should be quarantined from Gold Coast raids on their players. Philosophically, Matthews is correct in identifying that the worst teams lose more from expansion, but his remedy - having their uncontracted players off limits - doesn't really help Richmond.

The Tigers have already re-signed Brett Deledio and Trent Cotchin. Dustin Martin aside, there aren't many others whom the new clubs would want. Richmond, in any case, will struggle to reach the minimum salary cap of 92.5 per cent next year and will probably have to ''front load'' contracts.

While Richmond's present wounds are self-inflicted over a decade, the same is true of most bottom teams. Hawthorn and St Kilda were given the opportunity to right the ship, as were Carlton - which was further punished for cheating the salary cap - and Melbourne.

Melbourne has no need for special help, having bottomed out in the nick of time. North could be another significant loser. But the Roos have not been as dismal for as long, and have a more competitive playing list.

Realistically, how can the AFL salve the Tigers' wounds? It cannot give them an extra pick, since it has committed those choices to the new teams.

Allowing the Tigers to sign uncontracted players, a year or two before free agency, is one possibility. But a far better form of assistance would be to allow Richmond access to the best 16-year-old in the land at the end of 2010, or the best 17-year-old in 2011. In effect, it would be given a No 1 pick one or two years in advance.

The Richmond faithful need a reason to remain faithful. And, as it embarks upon a costly expansion, the AFL should recognise that Richmond, with its large dormant fan base, is perhaps the only commercial ''upside'' remaining in its Victorian heartland.

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Re: Tigers in dire need of extra help from AFL (Age)
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2010, 02:23:20 AM »
Niall has to be a Richmond supporter.  :P

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Re: Tigers in dire need of extra help from AFL (Age)
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2010, 05:09:37 AM »
we'd still make a hash of it if we picked the supposed best 16 yo mind you, if you could pick up a 16 yo in November with your last pick in the draft then thats not bad at all. In the meantime we should ask for:

1 - 16 yo pick to be available at the end of 2010 national draft
1 - 17 yo pick to be available at the end of 2011 national draft
2 - Uncontracted players who can be signed without compo to other clubs at the end of 2010
2 - Uncontracted players who can be signed without compo to other clubs at the end of 2011


I think thats fair enough.

There should be no age requirement on the uncontracted players we can sign. If we got these concessions and once again stuffed it up then we may as well close the joint. Whilst people want to go with youth all the time, if we could argue that we should be allowed to get access to 4 uncontracted players over 2 years and we werent smart enough to get some decent players then we would deserve to stay bottom for 50 years.

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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2010, 06:19:47 AM »
And if that doesnt work the club should take the AFL to court re: the National Draft and Salary Cap and have both systems declared illegal. We were only a success in a free agency world, so thats where we should head. Richmond is still a big club, you cant have young players like Tom Scully going to Melbourne when he barracks for Richmond - its not on!

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Re: Tigers in dire need of extra help from AFL (Age)
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2010, 12:25:30 PM »
Dangerous that the journos thinks we are on death row....  membership numbers seem to show that it isn't the case, but it is dangerous because it affects perception and sponsorship and marketing opportunities.

Just the last week or so people have taken this doomsday attitude, despite a fair amount of optimistic stuff written pre-season. Results have been ordinary, but everyone knew this year is a write off.

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Re: Tigers in dire need of extra help from AFL (Age)
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2010, 05:49:58 PM »
I can't see the AFL changing the rules especially for us with the AFL's two new precious babies about to come in. Now I won't say no if we are offered some concession lol but our probs are tragically self-inflicted as has been the case for the past 30 years. We're going to have to get ourselves out of this mess the hard way via picks 4, 27, 44, etc if we come last as it looks like we will.

But finishing last is much preferable to being 15th, particularly if Melbourne unexpectedly takes its third consecutive spoon with no more than four wins. Under the rules, the Demons would then earn a priority selection and receive the first two non-Gold Coast draft picks (No 4 and No 6). The Tigers, who have a weaker playing list, would get No 8. If North Melbourne was last, the Tigers would receive No 6.
Now I thought priority picks were scrapped while the new teams will be raiding the next two drafts or at least the AFL was leaving PPs to its own discretion? If the above is true and there are PPs in this year's draft then Craig Cameron and anyone else at Richmond who didn't demand Rawlings pick sides and make moves to restrict our wins last year to 4 or less should be held accountable. If the above is true then that meaningless win against Melboune and draw against North has cost us having both picks 4 and 6 in this year's draft on top of costing us another top 20 pick in the 2009 draft. Please tell me the Niall is wrong or I will do this  :banghead.
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2010, 06:47:04 PM »
I can't see the AFL changing the rules especially for us with the AFL's two new precious babies about to come in. Now I won't say no if we are offered some concession lol but our probs are tragically self-inflicted as has been the case for the past 30 years. We're going to have to get ourselves out of this mess the hard way via picks 4, 27, 44, etc if we come last as it looks like we will.

But finishing last is much preferable to being 15th, particularly if Melbourne unexpectedly takes its third consecutive spoon with no more than four wins. Under the rules, the Demons would then earn a priority selection and receive the first two non-Gold Coast draft picks (No 4 and No 6). The Tigers, who have a weaker playing list, would get No 8. If North Melbourne was last, the Tigers would receive No 6.
Now I thought priority picks were scrapped while the new teams will be raiding the next two drafts or at least the AFL was leaving PPs to its own discretion? If the above is true and there are PPs in this year's draft then Craig Cameron and anyone else at Richmond who didn't demand Rawlings pick sides and make moves to restrict our wins last year to 4 or less should be held accountable. If the above is true then that meaningless win against Melboune and draw against North has cost us having both picks 4 and 6 in this year's draft on top of costing us another top 20 pick in the 2009 draft. Please tell me the Niall is wrong or I will do this  :banghead.

common MT ... it was all about that thing that some of our idiotic supporters call "winning culture"  :lol

winning culture always has a price in a socialist type system like a draft. dont know why our supporters are whinging most of em were deliriously happy when McMahon kicked the goal lol ....

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Re: Tigers in dire need of extra help from AFL (Age)
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2010, 07:32:41 PM »
I can't see the AFL changing the rules especially for us with the AFL's two new precious babies about to come in. Now I won't say no if we are offered some concession lol but our probs are tragically self-inflicted as has been the case for the past 30 years. We're going to have to get ourselves out of this mess the hard way via picks 4, 27, 44, etc if we come last as it looks like we will.

But finishing last is much preferable to being 15th, particularly if Melbourne unexpectedly takes its third consecutive spoon with no more than four wins. Under the rules, the Demons would then earn a priority selection and receive the first two non-Gold Coast draft picks (No 4 and No 6). The Tigers, who have a weaker playing list, would get No 8. If North Melbourne was last, the Tigers would receive No 6.
Now I thought priority picks were scrapped while the new teams will be raiding the next two drafts or at least the AFL was leaving PPs to its own discretion? If the above is true and there are PPs in this year's draft then Craig Cameron and anyone else at Richmond who didn't demand Rawlings pick sides and make moves to restrict our wins last year to 4 or less should be held accountable. If the above is true then that meaningless win against Melboune and draw against North has cost us having both picks 4 and 6 in this year's draft on top of costing us another top 20 pick in the 2009 draft. Please tell me the Niall is wrong or I will do this  :banghead.

common MT ... it was all about that thing that some of our idiotic supporters call "winning culture"  :lol

winning culture always has a price in a socialist type system like a draft. dont know why our supporters are whinging most of em were deliriously happy when McMahon kicked the goal lol ....
Not me. I walked out embarrassed to have won a game like that. First and only time in my life I didn't sing the song after a win. Yep that game was all about a "winning culture"  ::) :chuck

I still want to know if priority picks will still be handed out this year? If just 1.5 wins more has cost us one top 6 pick and another top 20 pick there should be hell to pay.
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Re: Tigers in dire need of extra help from AFL (Age)
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2010, 11:12:32 PM »
The AFL won't change the rules.
We should have bent the rules the way others did if we wanted extra help.

We have had 1 finals series in the last decade finished bottom twice and most likely finish bottom again this year so that's 3 times in 9 years since our last finals series and finished bottom 3 in 2002-03-09 had a chance to use our pick 2 in 02 when Carlscum were denied draft picks for salary cap rorts and we still didn't get a priority pick.

Poorly coached, poorly managed poorly thought out. We have ourselves to blame.
AFL won't change the rules now. You'd think a decade of mediocrity would result in a few priority picks but no we stuff that up too.

Yep the Melbourne game last year was the last straw. Killed any hope we had. Can't blame McMahon he did what he is paid to do. Classic case of even when we win we lose.

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Re: Tigers in dire need of extra help from AFL (Age)
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2010, 08:49:42 AM »
We are in a bad posistion but were aren't any worse off compared to when Carlton was at it's lowest point. Imagine if we were scrapped out of this draft.. They gave up 2 first rounders and a KP gun kid forward for Judd. Will hurt them in 5 years when he retires and the likes of Kruezar etc will be starting at there peak. You don't have to have priority picks to go from bottom 4 to top 4

Freo will play finals this year and havent had a top 2 draft pick in the past decade.

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Re: Tigers in dire need of extra help from AFL (Age)
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2010, 12:52:42 PM »
Freo will play finals this year and havent had a top 2 draft pick in the past decade.

It's not sunny times but it's not doomsday

Agree totally popelord. Priority picks are useful, and very valuable but if the future of our club, and the success of 3-0-75, is dependent on getting priority picks in some of the worst drafts since the draft's inception we have much deeper problems at play.

We need to learn to find and develop quality players outside the first round of picks - it's been done before and it will be done again I just hope it is done by us!

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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2010, 01:18:24 PM »
The Melbourne Tigers! :whistle

Original tenants of the Gee to merge :banghead .

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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2010, 01:58:45 PM »
The Melbourne Tigers! :whistle

Original tenants of the Gee to merge :banghead .
I certainly wouldn't want that to happen, but could you imagine the midfield in that team?
Deledio, Cotchin, Martin, Foley, Scully, Trengove, C Morton, Grimes

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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2010, 04:09:19 PM »
The Melbourne Tigers! :whistle

Original tenants of the Gee to merge :banghead .
I certainly wouldn't want that to happen, but could you imagine the midfield in that team?
Deledio, Cotchin, Martin, Foley, Scully, Trengove, C Morton, Grimes
   
NOW that would be a premiship side  :thumbsup

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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2010, 04:38:42 PM »
and able to boast 23 premierships. :lol