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Quality, quality post. Still can't believe people get sucked into the 'winning culture' crap argument. My God, when will we ever learn. Did alot of good last year winning 8 out of last 11. Maximizing the draft while we can will give us the best chance to get the best possible players on our list. I want premierships; not get crap meaningless wins at the the end of the year that will restrict us to being an average team stuck in the middle of the ladder for the next decade.GO TIGES!!!
Quote from: MikeetIGER on June 28, 2010, 07:05:49 PMQuote from: Stripes on June 22, 2010, 04:09:51 PMI agree that it is exciting to see the kids developing and winning together but make no mistake I am certain we do not have all the pieces of the puzzle yet. Have we really kid ourselves into believing that we have enough quality midfielders? Do we look at Jack and say that our forwardline is set for the future? What about our ruck and backline? Sure we have players developing and coming through all the time but we have equally as many that disappoint and never get there. We need another quality midfielder to work along with Cotchin, Martin and possibly Foley. We need talented outsiders and support players roating though the engine which we just don't have. What about the forwardline - is Griffiths assured of remaining injury free and making it? What about Astbury - is he a backman or forward? Will Post or Westoff come in? Are our small man stocks sufficent with Taylor, Nahas, Nason and Collins/White?What I am trying to say is that we still have a huge amount of holes which need to be filled and we need as many quality players on our list pushing for spots as possible because the reality is is that most won't make it. An early pick will almost always assure you of a quality long-term player while the further up the order you are forced, the smaller the chances are. Two players in the 20s would also increase our chances in finding successful players.I just wish we weren't forced into this position where, being so success-starved, we struggle to see past the short term uphoria of a few meaningless wins instead of enduring the build a bit longer to give us the best chance we have beyond this year.I doubt we will not win more than 3 but surely people can see beyond the 'team-building' hype and see you need quality materials to work with before you can build anything of exception - that's what early picks are.Stripes Quality, quality post. Still can't believe people get sucked into the 'winning culture' crap argument. My God, when will we ever learn. Did alot of good last year winning 8 out of last 11. Maximizing the draft while we can will give us the best chance to get the best possible players on our list. I want premierships; not get crap meaningless wins at the the end of the year that will restrict us to being an average team stuck in the middle of the ladder for the next decade.GO TIGES!!!Tank away and want away - you'll be doing both for the rest of your life without any satisfaction if you think tanking will cure our ills. Still haven't seen a premiership won by a team that did it and I doubt I ever will. I can't believe that people still get sucked into the 'tanking rules' argument when tanking has not been the cause of one premiership flag since the notion raised it's pyrite-encrusted head. We finish middle of the road because we do a hell of a lot of things wrong, not because we try to win meaningless games. And tanking will not fix one poofteenth of those problems.
Quote from: Stripes on June 22, 2010, 04:09:51 PMI agree that it is exciting to see the kids developing and winning together but make no mistake I am certain we do not have all the pieces of the puzzle yet. Have we really kid ourselves into believing that we have enough quality midfielders? Do we look at Jack and say that our forwardline is set for the future? What about our ruck and backline? Sure we have players developing and coming through all the time but we have equally as many that disappoint and never get there. We need another quality midfielder to work along with Cotchin, Martin and possibly Foley. We need talented outsiders and support players roating though the engine which we just don't have. What about the forwardline - is Griffiths assured of remaining injury free and making it? What about Astbury - is he a backman or forward? Will Post or Westoff come in? Are our small man stocks sufficent with Taylor, Nahas, Nason and Collins/White?What I am trying to say is that we still have a huge amount of holes which need to be filled and we need as many quality players on our list pushing for spots as possible because the reality is is that most won't make it. An early pick will almost always assure you of a quality long-term player while the further up the order you are forced, the smaller the chances are. Two players in the 20s would also increase our chances in finding successful players.I just wish we weren't forced into this position where, being so success-starved, we struggle to see past the short term uphoria of a few meaningless wins instead of enduring the build a bit longer to give us the best chance we have beyond this year.I doubt we will not win more than 3 but surely people can see beyond the 'team-building' hype and see you need quality materials to work with before you can build anything of exception - that's what early picks are.Stripes Quality, quality post. Still can't believe people get sucked into the 'winning culture' crap argument. My God, when will we ever learn. Did alot of good last year winning 8 out of last 11. Maximizing the draft while we can will give us the best chance to get the best possible players on our list. I want premierships; not get crap meaningless wins at the the end of the year that will restrict us to being an average team stuck in the middle of the ladder for the next decade.GO TIGES!!!
I agree that it is exciting to see the kids developing and winning together but make no mistake I am certain we do not have all the pieces of the puzzle yet. Have we really kid ourselves into believing that we have enough quality midfielders? Do we look at Jack and say that our forwardline is set for the future? What about our ruck and backline? Sure we have players developing and coming through all the time but we have equally as many that disappoint and never get there. We need another quality midfielder to work along with Cotchin, Martin and possibly Foley. We need talented outsiders and support players roating though the engine which we just don't have. What about the forwardline - is Griffiths assured of remaining injury free and making it? What about Astbury - is he a backman or forward? Will Post or Westoff come in? Are our small man stocks sufficent with Taylor, Nahas, Nason and Collins/White?What I am trying to say is that we still have a huge amount of holes which need to be filled and we need as many quality players on our list pushing for spots as possible because the reality is is that most won't make it. An early pick will almost always assure you of a quality long-term player while the further up the order you are forced, the smaller the chances are. Two players in the 20s would also increase our chances in finding successful players.I just wish we weren't forced into this position where, being so success-starved, we struggle to see past the short term uphoria of a few meaningless wins instead of enduring the build a bit longer to give us the best chance we have beyond this year.I doubt we will not win more than 3 but surely people can see beyond the 'team-building' hype and see you need quality materials to work with before you can build anything of exception - that's what early picks are.Stripes
Gaff must be our man. Forget about the restwith a solid midfield you can build a premiership team. Our midfield would look unbelievable with him in it.Gaff next to Cotch, Martin, Gaff, Lids. You try tagging those 4. No worries
Liam Pickering and Jason McCartney's top 15 mentioned today after the Champs ....1. David Swallow ........... already signed with Gold Coast2. Harley Bennell ............ 02/10/92 180 70 (WA)3. Sam Day ................... 06/09/92 195 90 (SA)4. Daniel Gorringe .......... 02/06/92 198 85 (SA)5. Scott Lycett .............. 26/09/92 202 95 (SA)6. Andrew Gaff .............. 16/06/92 183 78 (Vic M)7. Jared Polec ................ 12/10/92 188 77 (SA)8. Kieran Harper ............. 05/06/92 187 78 (Vic M)9. Lucas Cook ................ 03/03/92 194 82 (Vic C)10. Jack Darling .............. 16/06/92 190 86 (WA)11. Shaun Atley .............. 13/09/92 187 82 (Vic C)12. Patrick McCarthy ...... 11/03/92 194 79 (SA)13. Luke Parker .............. 25/10/92 182 82 (Vic C)14. Blayne Wilson ........... 26/01/92 187 80 (WA)15. Jayden Pitt ............... 07/10/92 187 70 (Vic C)
Quote from: one-eyed on June 30, 2010, 08:37:44 PMLiam Pickering and Jason McCartney's top 15 mentioned today after the Champs ....1. David Swallow ........... already signed with Gold Coast2. Harley Bennell ............ 02/10/92 180 70 (WA)3. Sam Day ................... 06/09/92 195 90 (SA)4. Daniel Gorringe .......... 02/06/92 198 85 (SA)5. Scott Lycett .............. 26/09/92 202 95 (SA)6. Andrew Gaff .............. 16/06/92 183 78 (Vic M)7. Jared Polec ................ 12/10/92 188 77 (SA)8. Kieran Harper ............. 05/06/92 187 78 (Vic M)9. Lucas Cook ................ 03/03/92 194 82 (Vic C)10. Jack Darling .............. 16/06/92 190 86 (WA)11. Shaun Atley .............. 13/09/92 187 82 (Vic C)12. Patrick McCarthy ...... 11/03/92 194 79 (SA)13. Luke Parker .............. 25/10/92 182 82 (Vic C)14. Blayne Wilson ........... 26/01/92 187 80 (WA)15. Jayden Pitt ............... 07/10/92 187 70 (Vic C)OE - thanks for this. Is this the actual order thwy placed them in or just the 15 in no particular order?
I'm praying for Bennell to slip to our pick
Quote from: Danog on July 01, 2010, 04:46:32 PMI'm praying for Bennell to slip to our pickLooked like a player you get to finish a rebuild ... at this stage we should be going for safe bets, smith, atley, gaff seem like safe bets
