2010 Draft Discussion thread [merged]

[Ramps]

Be amazing if Sam Day outright refused GC. Read a little on him, the kid sounds like an absolute freak. Be interesting to see what happens with him, cause if he has serious options elsewhere he may be able to pick and choose the club he ends up at. Wishful thinking of course.

I don't think he can outright refuse to be drafted by any club. If Day nominates he will just have to take his chances but perhaps his reluctance will sway them from choosing him. Given his supposed talent this is unlikely though. If we get pick four I would probably prefer Gaff anyway or Bennell if a minor miracle occurs 

i think he actually can.

for example, if he would like to come play at a melbourne club for example, but he has back up options with his baseball and basketball, he can simply nominate for the draft, go to draft combine and tell GC suns: i will not play with you so don't draft me.  In fear of wasting that pick, GC is unlikely to draft him.  And if GC still drafts him, he can simply go "eff you, i'm not playing here, i will go to america and play baseball or basketball".

I like the Peggles scenario 

[crannyvegas]

Be amazing if Sam Day outright refused GC. Read a little on him, the kid sounds like an absolute freak. Be interesting to see what happens with him, cause if he has serious options elsewhere he may be able to pick and choose the club he ends up at. Wishful thinking of course.

I don't think he can outright refuse to be drafted by any club. If Day nominates he will just have to take his chances but perhaps his reluctance will sway them from choosing him. Given his supposed talent this is unlikely though. If we get pick four I would probably prefer Gaff anyway or Bennell if a minor miracle occurs 

i think he actually can.

for example, if he would like to come play at a melbourne club for example, but he has back up options with his baseball and basketball, he can simply nominate for the draft, go to draft combine and tell GC suns: i will not play with you so don't draft me.  In fear of wasting that pick, GC is unlikely to draft him.  And if GC still drafts him, he can simply go "eff you, i'm not playing here, i will go to america and play baseball or basketball".

I like the Peggles scenario 

Exactly the scenario im hoping for!! Puts him in a relatively strong position i reckon.

[Stripes]

I like that scenerio too  Let's hope you're right and he ends up at Tigerland. 

[one-eyed]

As Pick 4 looks unlikely now I've changed the thread title to a more general draft discussion.

Here's a mock draft with Gaff still going to us at pick 8.....

Round 1 Mock for 2010 Draft - 2nd of August 2010

1: Gold Coast – David Swallow
2: Gold Coast – Harley Bennell
3: Gold Coast – Sam Day
4: West Coast – Shaun Atley
5: Gold Coast –  Jack Darling
6: Brisbane - Ben Jacobs
7: Gold Coast - Matthew Watson
8: Richmond - Andrew Gaff
9: Gold Coast - Luke Parker
10: Port Adelaide - Daniel Gorringe
11: Gold Coast - Josh Caddy
12: Essendon - Dyson Heppell
13: Gold Coast - Keiran Harper
14: Adelaide - Mitch Hallahan
15: Gold Coast - Jared Polec
16: Melbourne - Lucas Cook
17: North Melbourne - Josh Green
18: Sydney Swans - Jayden Pitt
19: Carlton - Jamie Solly
20: Hawthorn - Scott Lycett
21: Fremantle - Blayne Wilson
22: Bulldogs - Mitch Wallis F/S
23: St Kilda - Patrick McCarthy
24: Geelong - Warrick Andreoli
25: Collingwood - Tom Lynch

http://jozsdraftsite.webs.com/mockdrafts.htm

[pmac21]

Would be happy with any of those picks in the top 15 but reckon we will get Darling or Caddy with 8 as Gaffy will be gone.  Would love Gorringe at 8 !!

[Judge Roughneck]

Gorringe, Vickery, Browne, Graham - would be a strong long term (u23) ruck divison

however, the list is still short of onballer wih our first pick; Gilligan, Polo, Hislop don't look good enough. Morton, Nahas, Hicks, Nason are more outside, running mids/forwards.

[Ramps]

No Brodie Smith in that Line Up - Smith will be a very very good player IMHO from what I saw.

[Gordon Bennett]

No Brodie Smith in that Line Up - Smith will be a very very good player IMHO from what I saw.

yeah, but you're the guy who said Melksham and Bastinac weren't worth drafting (after you watched the TAC Cup final last year), so your opinion on the quality of young players is questionable.

[Ramps]

No Brodie Smith in that Line Up - Smith will be a very very good player IMHO from what I saw.

yeah, but you're the guy who said Melksham and Bastinac weren't worth drafting (after you watched the TAC Cup final last year), so your opinion on the quality of young players is questionable.

rubbish. why do you post untruths?

I liked Melksham and I didnt rate Bastinac

[Gordon Bennett]

No Brodie Smith in that Line Up - Smith will be a very very good player IMHO from what I saw.

yeah, but you're the guy who said Melksham and Bastinac weren't worth drafting (after you watched the TAC Cup final last year), so your opinion on the quality of young players is questionable.

rubbish. why do you post untruths?

I liked Melksham and I didnt rate Bastinac

After you watched the final you posted:


"I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final. "

"Its all opinion. My opinion is that the game was very very average. I hope players from this game go on and become stars indeed. In good sides yes maybe 3 or 4 will be ok but not 1 player in that game would become a star playing for a bottom club like ours. The players mentioned by GB - I wouldnt be picking inside the first 40 odd picks. As for Temel, wouldnt be picking him inside the first 55 to 60 picks. Just my opinion thats all."

The players I mentioned back then, that you refer to above, were Melksham and Bastinac. You've stated that you wouldn't draft them in the top 40.

You've also stated that you "wouldn't be in a rush to draft anyone one from either of these sides".

Therefore, how can you say that I have posted an untruth?

[Ramps]

No Brodie Smith in that Line Up - Smith will be a very very good player IMHO from what I saw.

yeah, but you're the guy who said Melksham and Bastinac weren't worth drafting (after you watched the TAC Cup final last year), so your opinion on the quality of young players is questionable.

rubbish. why do you post untruths?

I liked Melksham and I didnt rate Bastinac

After you watched the final you posted:


"I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final. "

"Its all opinion. My opinion is that the game was very very average. I hope players from this game go on and become stars indeed. In good sides yes maybe 3 or 4 will be ok but not 1 player in that game would become a star playing for a bottom club like ours. The players mentioned by GB - I wouldnt be picking inside the first 40 odd picks. As for Temel, wouldnt be picking him inside the first 55 to 60 picks. Just my opinion thats all."

The players I mentioned back then, that you refer to above, were Melksham and Bastinac. You've stated that you wouldn't draft them in the top 40.

You've also stated that you "wouldn't be in a rush to draft anyone one from either of these sides".

Therefore, how can you say that I have posted an untruth?

Listen -  show me one post where I said that Melksham was a dud. Just one.

Your a dishonest poster. All I see is that I said that Temel was overated - And guess what - He didnt get drafted.  

You make dishonest posts left right and centre and pass them of as facts- Find me one post where I said that Melksham was a dud.


Edit: namecalling and abuse removed

[Infamy]

No Brodie Smith in that Line Up - Smith will be a very very good player IMHO from what I saw.

yeah, but you're the guy who said Melksham and Bastinac weren't worth drafting (after you watched the TAC Cup final last year), so your opinion on the quality of young players is questionable.

rubbish. why do you post untruths?

I liked Melksham and I didnt rate Bastinac

After you watched the final you posted:


"I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final. "

"Its all opinion. My opinion is that the game was very very average. I hope players from this game go on and become stars indeed. In good sides yes maybe 3 or 4 will be ok but not 1 player in that game would become a star playing for a bottom club like ours. The players mentioned by GB - I wouldnt be picking inside the first 40 odd picks. As for Temel, wouldnt be picking him inside the first 55 to 60 picks. Just my opinion thats all."

The players I mentioned back then, that you refer to above, were Melksham and Bastinac. You've stated that you wouldn't draft them in the top 40.

You've also stated that you "wouldn't be in a rush to draft anyone one from either of these sides".

Therefore, how can you say that I have posted an untruth?

Listen -  show me one post where I said that Melksham was a dud. Just one.

Your a dishonest poster. All I see is that I said that Temel was overated - And guess what - He didnt get drafted.

You make dishonest posts left right and centre and pass them of as facts- Find me one post where I said that Melksham was a dud.

Take it easy Ramps, he's provided enough evidence to suggest you didn't rate them highly

[Gordon Bennett]

No Brodie Smith in that Line Up - Smith will be a very very good player IMHO from what I saw.

yeah, but you're the guy who said Melksham and Bastinac weren't worth drafting (after you watched the TAC Cup final last year), so your opinion on the quality of young players is questionable.

rubbish. why do you post untruths?

I liked Melksham and I didnt rate Bastinac

After you watched the final you posted:


"I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final. "

"Its all opinion. My opinion is that the game was very very average. I hope players from this game go on and become stars indeed. In good sides yes maybe 3 or 4 will be ok but not 1 player in that game would become a star playing for a bottom club like ours. The players mentioned by GB - I wouldnt be picking inside the first 40 odd picks. As for Temel, wouldnt be picking him inside the first 55 to 60 picks. Just my opinion thats all."

The players I mentioned back then, that you refer to above, were Melksham and Bastinac. You've stated that you wouldn't draft them in the top 40.

You've also stated that you "wouldn't be in a rush to draft anyone one from either of these sides".

Therefore, how can you say that I have posted an untruth?

Listen  -  show me one post where I said that Melksham was a dud. Just one.

Your a dishonest poster. All I see is that I said that Temel was overated - And guess what - He didnt get drafted.

You make dishonest posts left right and centre and pass them of as facts- Find me one post where I said that Melksham was a dud.

You said  you wouldn't be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides - isn't that the same thing as saying  that none of them were worth drafting? It is hardly an untruth being told by me. This was in your first post. The 2nd quote I've provided was after I'd taken you to task about Melksham and Bastinac, and then you qualified your earlier statement by saying you wouldn't take them in the first 40.

As for your abuse, I think you're enraged because I've established, by your own posting, that you did say something very similar to what I asserted.


edit: quote edited

[Tigermonk]

Players with protential are watched long before the championships FACT. They are watched all year round by clubs scouts from all clubs. Clubs have many sources who supply footage & reports back to them all year round & some contineous for several years.
Anyone thinking a footballer is picked off the championships is deluded & knows nothing.
Championship games are a serious hitout to have the players compete against each other & dont affect the draft what so ever.
Clubs let the players they are interested in know the year before thier draft or very early in the year & follow many processes.
There is alot involved when picking a draft & they dont all play championship or TAC 

[crannyvegas]

Players with protential are watched long before the championships FACT. They are watched all year round by clubs scouts from all clubs. Clubs have many sources who supply footage & reports back to them all year round & some contineous for several years.
Anyone thinking a footballer is picked off the championships is deluded & knows nothing.
Championship games are a serious hitout to have the players compete against each other & dont affect the draft what so ever.
Clubs let the players they are interested in know the year before thier draft or very early in the year & follow many processes.
There is alot involved when picking a draft & they dont all play championship or TAC 

Steele Sidebottom says hi.