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I couldn't find this on the web so I scanned it in. According to this we're getting a 2nd round PP.


Richmond's 50m kick in the guts
By Jon Ralph
Wed 9 June 2010, Page 85



IT IS the ultimate irony: Jordan McMahon's greatest moment seems to have consigned Richmond to even more draft pain.

McMahon's post-siren 50m winner against Melbourne in Round 17 last year not only gave the Demons a bonus priority pick, it robbed the Tigers of their own extra selection.

It meant the Tigers won five games, one too many to qualify for a priority pick after the first round of the national draft.

Richmond could have used that bonus late-teens selection on players such as Fremantle's Nathan Fyfe, Hawthorn's Ben Stratton or Melbourne's Luke Tapscott.

But the greater loss will be felt at this year's national draft table.

Halfway through the season the Tigers have only one victory and look remote odds to win more than four games this year. Two years in a row of four or fewer wins gives clubs a pre-draft priority pick -- normally the first selection in the national draft.

The introduction of the Gold Coast means the new club gets picks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 and 9. But Richmond would still have landed a priority pick at selection four, then their first pick at No. 6.

It would have been the ideal platform to take two quality picks in a climate in which few other clubs will get a lick of the cream.

It would also have seen the unprecedented situation in which two clubs took the first seven picks of the draft, with the second-bottom side getting only pick eight.

Instead, the Tigers will receive pick four, then a post-draft pick that will probably be selection 27, then their normal second-round pick (No. 28).

In hindsight, installing caretaker coach Jade Rawlings, who notched three wins, also hurt the club's draft order, though with Terry Wallace resigning it had no other choice.

That McMahon goal, set up by another Tigers whipping boy in Richard Tambling, would in theory also have given Melbourne five wins for the year, robbing them of No. 2 pick Jack Trengove.

But Melbourne beat Fremantle later in the season, aware that victory would not ruin its draft plans.

The sceptics who accused the Demons of tanking believe there is no way Melbourne would have won against the Dockers had Trengove's recruitment been on the line.

Richmond is recruiting in the worst climate to rebuild a club, but so far seems to have made a decent fist of it.

The Tigers will get a very good player at pick No. 4, but the draft would have been even sweeter had McMahon's kick sailed wide.

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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2010, 07:34:39 AM »
Honestly, whats the point of dragging all this up again? This argument has been done to death! Must be a quiet news week ralphy!

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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2010, 08:03:23 AM »
What a disgraceful article, we'd already lost our priority pick by beating Essendon the week before
McMahon's goal was what allowed Melbourne to go into the Freo game knowing that it could win and still get picks 1 & 2

Check your facts Jon Ralph you moron

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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2010, 10:53:04 AM »
Good article IMHO. Tells it how it is. McMahon should have missed the goal and we should have tanked last season and been in line for pick 4 and 6 in a good draft. Only idiots believe otherwise. This winning culture theory under both Frawley and Wallace is was and always will be bulldust.

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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2010, 11:08:40 AM »
Good article IMHO. Tells it how it is. McMahon should have missed the goal...........
Why don't you explain why McMahon should have missed the goal then?

If you win more than 4 games you are ineligible for a priority pick. When McMahon lined up we had already won 4 games plus had a draw. Kicking the goal made no difference to us getting a priority pick.
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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2010, 11:19:04 AM »
Good article IMHO. Tells it how it is. McMahon should have missed the goal...........
Why don't you explain why McMahon should have missed the goal then?

If you win more than 4 games you are ineligible for a priority pick. When McMahon lined up we had already won 4 games plus had a draw. Kicking the goal made no difference to us getting a priority pick.

1) Melbourne would have had an extra 4 points for there season tally. 2) If you read my post, I said we should have tanked the season, instead we told Rawlings to go win games FFS! 3) If we had tanked like we should have we would have had picks 4 and 6 at the end of this season and given ourselves some hope of finding a couple of gun juniors- maybe a Darling and a Gaff as a combo or a Day Gaff combo.  Now we will only get one of the two. Winning meaningless games like lasts years effort v Melbourne (as an example) has been detrimental to us as a club and left the club mired on the bottom year after year.

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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2010, 11:23:13 AM »

1) Melbourne would have had an extra 4 points for there season tally.
Yeah, right. So, we should tank on behalf of other clubs.

If that's your answer as to why McMahon should have missed the goal then you have a gall calling anyone an idiot. Which you did.
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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2010, 02:20:36 PM »
Good article IMHO. Tells it how it is. McMahon should have missed the goal and we should have tanked last season and been in line for pick 4 and 6 in a good draft. Only idiots believe otherwise. This winning culture theory under both Frawley and Wallace is was and always will be bulldust.

There are other ways to build your list Ramps.

We'll have to find another way over the next 2-3 years to build the list without tanking.

If you honestly believe a coach can tell his squad that is littered with early 30 year olds, playing for their careers (Coughlan, Brown, Tuck etc) to throw games and tank for draft picks that the club can't even get right anyway, your dreaming.

Go Tigers!

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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2010, 02:22:50 PM »
Good article IMHO. Tells it how it is. McMahon should have missed the goal and we should have tanked last season and been in line for pick 4 and 6 in a good draft. Only idiots believe otherwise. This winning culture theory under both Frawley and Wallace is was and always will be bulldust.

There are other ways to build your list Ramps.

We'll have to find another way over the next 2-3 years to build the list without tanking.

If you honestly believe a coach can tell his squad that is littered with early 30 year olds, playing for their careers (Coughlan, Brown, Tuck etc) to throw games and tank for draft picks that the club can't even get right anyway, your dreaming.



never said the coach should ask players to fix matches, just ensure a mix of positions to develop players that would in effect make it more difficult to win games. anyway its over, we paid the price again, now time to move on.

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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2010, 02:31:47 PM »
we just have to tank for another season and a half, 2011 draft is even more talent laden than this one,  :rollin
picks 4 and 6 next season will set us up for the future

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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2010, 02:41:27 PM »
Good article IMHO. Tells it how it is. McMahon should have missed the goal and we should have tanked last season and been in line for pick 4 and 6 in a good draft. Only idiots believe otherwise. This winning culture theory under both Frawley and Wallace is was and always will be bulldust.

There are other ways to build your list Ramps.

We'll have to find another way over the next 2-3 years to build the list without tanking.

If you honestly believe a coach can tell his squad that is littered with early 30 year olds, playing for their careers (Coughlan, Brown, Tuck etc) to throw games and tank for draft picks that the club can't even get right anyway, your dreaming.


Exactly pope! Sydney won a flag and played in gf's, how many no.1's do they have in their list?

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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2010, 02:59:25 PM »
Good article IMHO. Tells it how it is. McMahon should have missed the goal and we should have tanked last season and been in line for pick 4 and 6 in a good draft. Only idiots believe otherwise. This winning culture theory under both Frawley and Wallace is was and always will be bulldust.

There are other ways to build your list Ramps.

We'll have to find another way over the next 2-3 years to build the list without tanking.

If you honestly believe a coach can tell his squad that is littered with early 30 year olds, playing for their careers (Coughlan, Brown, Tuck etc) to throw games and tank for draft picks that the club can't even get right anyway, your dreaming.



never said the coach should ask players to fix matches, just ensure a mix of positions to develop players that would in effect make it more difficult to win games. anyway its over, we paid the price again, now time to move on.

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McMahon should have missed the goal
Could you please elaborate on this then?

Poor old jordie, you gotta feel for him. He got to live out every footballers childhood dream - kicking a goal after the siren to win a VFL/AFL match  - and he gets critisised for it.  ::)

When you talk about taking action that actually helps with the development of the players or team, even if that decreases you chances of wining - THAT IS NOT TANKING.  Tanking is deliebartley losing.
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When a team intentionally loses a game, or does not score as high as it can, to obtain a perceived future competitive advantage (for instance, earning a high draft pick) rather than gamblers being involved, the team is often said to have tanked
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match_fixing

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Tanking
transitive verb
to make no effort to win
intransitive verb
to lose intentionally

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tanking

So far Hardwick has put development ahead of winning, but he is not deliberately trying to lose, its just a byproduct he is willing to wear in the short term . He hasn't been tanking.






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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2010, 02:59:44 PM »
we just have to tank for another season and a half, 2011 draft is even more talent laden than this one,  :rollin
picks 4 and 6 next season will set us up for the future

I think i would have changed teams by then if we tanked for two more years.. Tanking is cowardly and i wouldn't wont to be apart of a team that dose

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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2010, 03:01:14 PM »
Good article IMHO. Tells it how it is. McMahon should have missed the goal and we should have tanked last season and been in line for pick 4 and 6 in a good draft. Only idiots believe otherwise. This winning culture theory under both Frawley and Wallace is was and always will be bulldust.

There are other ways to build your list Ramps.

We'll have to find another way over the next 2-3 years to build the list without tanking.

If you honestly believe a coach can tell his squad that is littered with early 30 year olds, playing for their careers (Coughlan, Brown, Tuck etc) to throw games and tank for draft picks that the club can't even get right anyway, your dreaming.


Exactly pope! Sydney won a flag and played in gf's, how many no.1's do they have in their list?

Gaspar!

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Re: Richmond's 50m kick in the guts: Jordie's goal (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2010, 03:05:35 PM »
who had been gone from Sydney for ten years when they won their latest premiership,
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI