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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #165 on: August 27, 2010, 11:53:35 AM »
I still cant believe Wallace said what he said on TV. Considering that most people know what happened. David King has whacked him big time.
Todays Herald sun tells the story of what actually happened with the players forcing the clubs hand after the club had said no. Wallace is a clown, no wonder he is now employed by Hutchy at Crocmedia :banghead

is that right JAck?

Is he really now employed at croc media?

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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #166 on: August 27, 2010, 12:03:17 PM »
Agree that you're right in terms of physical and physiological addiction. But the measure of psychological and physical addictions is very hard to measure up against each other. To say alcohol is more addictive is impossible to say, as it is to say a party drug is.
There is plenty of research on this matter, you only need to look it up. Clearly there are differing opinions on some substances and the fact that there are different versions of each substance, however there are enough consistant trends to highlight that some of the most dangerous and harmful substances are those that are legal.

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Legalising substance centres for addicts has its positives as it gives a free and safe use for addicts that are trying to kick the habit. The same way smokers take Nicotine patches to take a safe dose of nicotine and gradually use less over time to kick the habit.
It's not only that, it's to do with education. At the moment the current drug education curriculum is purely a deterrant to taking drugs. They highlight only the negatives and explain how drugs will ruin your lives. A good example which you brought up is smoking, it's legal and always has been, however because it's legal the education around tobacco is purely to highlight the health issues associated with it, people know this is fact, accept it and choose to take or not take it. With drug use, people know that the information they are getting fed by the current education scheme is a lie, because they either know someone who uses or use themselves. Their own experiences contradict everything they are getting told and as such they pay no attention to it at all. The education is based purely to try and stop people starting, but there is no education to teach people harm minimisation which means once they start the education method has failed.

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These centres wont stop the biggest problem of drug use which is the use of party drugs and first use cases. Drug centres on help the addicted, it doesn't stop the experimentation of drugs and the use of drugs to have a high cheap time and a party, club or event.
There is no way to stop the demand for drug use, the fact that people now substitute normal illegal recreational drugs for drain cleaner and fertilizer shows us that people want to get off their face somehow. The fact that there are 60-90% more adult drug users than smokers in Australia also shows that prohibition doesn't work, prohibition has NEVER worked so I'm not sure how this is a surprise. (There are 19% of Australians who say they are smokers, the stats I've seen on 16-39 year olds using drugs is around 31%, however the drug expert on the panel after Ben's documentary last night said that number is around 38%)

The major cost to society for recreational drugs is the law enforcement side. $3.8 billion dollars is spent on police, courts, prisons, etc for recreational drugs of a total cost to society of $6.9 billion, that includes health costs, early death and labour costs from missed work. Compare that to tobacco which costs society $12 billion dollars annually with $0 crime as part of that figure and $11 billion for alcohol, with $1.5 billion crime. If you take out the crime component, on a pro-rated basis, the total cost to society for tobacco is 6.3-7.9 times higher than that of recreational drugs. Remember, this includes early death, health costs, missing work, etc. This also groups ALL illegal drugs under one banner, no one in history has died from overdosing on marijuana and it is almost impossible to overdose on MDMA.

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Does that make sense?
It makes sense that you believe this, most people do think this way. The problem is that its an antiquated belief and it's never going to get us anywhere. Hemp was predominantly made illegal by lobbyists for the cotton industry because they were threatened by the use of hemp in the use of textiles. Harder drugs were made illegal during a political campaign to distract from the Vietnam war. These decisions to make drugs illegal have never been based on scientific evidence. Even the laws in the US are predjudiced based on the classes. The punishment for crack cocaine, the substance used by predominantly blacks, is 99 times that of cocaine which is predominantly used by whites and the upper class. You get less time for 2nd degree murder than you do for crack cocaine. The Obama administration is looking at, or possibly even already has addressed this discrepancy. The main drug advisor in the British government got the sack when he publically said that the current drug laws had no basis of scientific fact behind them.

I haven't even touched on the international issues associated with the drug industry. 60% of the Taliban's funding comes from drug production. Afghanistan is completely corrupted from the president all the way down to the border guards because there is so much money to be made. South America's farming industry has been ruined by the US spraying poison over their crops to restrict the growth of coca plants, except it's also killed their normal crops, which the US have asked them to grow instead but no one wants to buy them.

Does this make sense? If not, trust me I have WAY more.

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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #167 on: August 27, 2010, 12:25:52 PM »
Right on cue Inf  :thumbsup
Now all we need is WATiger to start yelling about how we shouldn't pick up Cousins

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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #168 on: August 27, 2010, 12:28:34 PM »
I will also add that one of the perfect examples that highlights how ridiculous the prosecution of drug users is, was the comments by the Victorian Police yesterday after the screening of Ben's first part of the documentary. Here we have a bloke, who lost his job, best mate and almost his life to drugs. He has had to deal with recovering from a drug addiction in the public eye, has got himself clean for 2 years, got his job back with a new employer and is telling his story about his experiences. Then the cops come out and say that if we can prove that the footage of him using drugs was in Victoria we will look at charging him.

What is the bloody point of that? Please tell me how is that going to help the drug problem in this world?
All it will do is make people who do have drug addictions less likely to seek help, because here we have someone admitting he used and the police are after him. How stuffing stupid are these idiots?!

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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #169 on: August 27, 2010, 01:15:45 PM »
I still cant believe Wallace said what he said on TV. Considering that most people know what happened. David King has whacked him big time.
Todays Herald sun tells the story of what actually happened with the players forcing the clubs hand after the club had said no. Wallace is a clown, no wonder he is now employed by Hutchy at Crocmedia :banghead

is that right JAck?

Is he really now employed at croc media?

yes, when not filling in on SEN, he works for Croc media in regards to broadcasts into regional victoria.

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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #170 on: August 27, 2010, 01:17:20 PM »

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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #171 on: August 27, 2010, 01:25:56 PM »
As my knowledge sees it he had to be tested 3 times a week under AFL stipulations of his re-registering to the AFL?

It was this constant drug testing that's been raised as a part of the help for Ben to stay clean and now without football he wont have the 3 times a week testing to keep him in check?

Absolutely correct Pope he has been tested 3 times a week since he came back - the days are random but the number of tests per week are the same

get over it WP

Get over what exactly?

You have an view and you believe it is right and anyone who questions or disagree with it needs to what? "get over it"

Newsfalsh for ya - we don't all have to agree with you.

I have a view based on what I have been told by people who I respect and trust not what I have read in newspapers or read on forums.

That view is different to yours and guess what I still believe what I have been told by the people that I have spoken to and for me that's all that matters.

So I don't think I need to get over anything

My view was straight from the horses mouth ;)
i didnt read it in the paper, and as you know i spent a year working with you know who at essendon.
Get over it.
if it wasnt for K. sheedy, ben wouldnt have got to punt rd,FACT
as that was the reason that sheeds was interviewed last night on the doc, you might want to re watch it again.
What Sheeds should of said that Wallace wouldnt return his calls and it wasnt until sheeds contacted board  members and cameron, did the wheels start to move at Punt rd. disgrace having wallace on that show last night.
sheeds and Wallace dont talk i might add. wallace wasnt happy that Sheeds went behind his back at the time to get ben to punt rd. Thank god he did.
Cant wait to see the spat that King and Wallace will have, please read todays herald sun
 move on shell we.

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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #172 on: August 27, 2010, 01:30:55 PM »
I will also add that one of the perfect examples that highlights how ridiculous the prosecution of drug users is, was the comments by the Victorian Police yesterday after the screening of Ben's first part of the documentary. Here we have a bloke, who lost his job, best mate and almost his life to drugs. He has had to deal with recovering from a drug addiction in the public eye, has got himself clean for 2 years, got his job back with a new employer and is telling his story about his experiences. Then the cops come out and say that if we can prove that the footage of him using drugs was in Victoria we will look at charging him.

What is the bloody point of that? Please tell me how is that going to help the drug problem in this world?
All it will do is make people who do have drug addictions less likely to seek help, because here we have someone admitting he used and the police are after him. How stuffing stupid are these idiots?!

They should just take a drive to the back streets of st.kilda and see people wandering around in no mans land.   It might resembled our zone defense for the first 8 rounds, lol

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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #173 on: August 27, 2010, 01:46:21 PM »
None of this matters guys.

Some of you just sound like Old fickin moles,claiming you knew this and that.

Who gives a stuff ?!!!!

Doco is over.
Ben is the star - like it or not!
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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #174 on: August 27, 2010, 01:49:18 PM »
You know what though, the RFC most/more than probably saved this guys life. That is some awesome Sh|t right there. :clapping :gotigers

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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #175 on: August 27, 2010, 01:50:41 PM »
I will also add that one of the perfect examples that highlights how ridiculous the prosecution of drug users is, was the comments by the Victorian Police yesterday after the screening of Ben's first part of the documentary. Here we have a bloke, who lost his job, best mate and almost his life to drugs. He has had to deal with recovering from a drug addiction in the public eye, has got himself clean for 2 years, got his job back with a new employer and is telling his story about his experiences. Then the cops come out and say that if we can prove that the footage of him using drugs was in Victoria we will look at charging him.

What is the bloody point of that? Please tell me how is that going to help the drug problem in this world?
All it will do is make people who do have drug addictions less likely to seek help, because here we have someone admitting he used and the police are after him. How stuffing stupid are these idiots?!

It's refreshing to hear you're views on these issues. Legalising drugs certainly will reduce drug dealing but IMO it wont stop drug taking, which is the national issue. As you said it will never be stopped but it can be dramatically reduced.

If I can use smoking as an example. I don;t have facts but it's common knowledge that the % of smokers has declined consistently over time. Education anti smoking campaigns and "prohibition" are the reasons. A higher rate of non-smoking areas haven't stopped smoking but have made it less convenient. Anti Smoking campaigns have had a bigger impact.

Drug taking is the issue, the same as smoking was about 20 years ago. The anti-smoking education program you'll find has been successful over time in educating the use of cigarettes kills (Smoking Kills). If I can use your facts that more people use drugs than cigarettes ("The fact that there are 60-90% more adult drug users than smokers in Australia"). This suggests that the education anti smoking programs have been a success. As I don't have facts I think everyone can agree that this has been successful in reducing the amount of smokers in Australia.

Recreational drugs are the same as Alcohol consumption or smoking cigarettes. Alcohol and Cigarettes are legalised but we still have problems with drink driving, alcohol abuse, lung cancer etc.

So I don't think you can say legalising drugs like ecstacy, cocaine and ice (for examples) will stop youths and experimenters from taking drugs to enhance there "party" experience at a club, event or party. Drugs will still be able to be purchased at clubs for $5, cheaper than alcohol and without the weight gain and hangover in the morning.

Just like smoking the more education there is out there on drug taking with time generations will be wiser on how dangerous it is.

Maybe it's naive but I think following the smoking model is the best way to approach drug use.
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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #176 on: August 27, 2010, 01:54:11 PM »
None of this matters guys.

Some of you just sound like Old fickin moles,claiming you knew this and that.

Who gives a stuff ?!!!!

Doco is over.
Ben is the star - like it or not!

Have a friend of yours nearly overdose in front of you with saliva of his dripping over your forearm, maybe then you'll think differently about drug use and the serious problem it is in today's society.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2010, 02:07:05 PM by one-eyed »
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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #177 on: August 27, 2010, 01:59:25 PM »


Ive carried two idiots out in pine boxes.

I hope this qualifies me to be as worldly as u are.
PM me if you want to meet for a coffee.

Try to read a post properly next time
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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #178 on: August 27, 2010, 02:09:33 PM »
It's an emotive issue but let's leave out the namecalling please ppl.

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Re: Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26
« Reply #179 on: August 27, 2010, 02:22:54 PM »
  Anyone seen Naked Lunch?
Lots of people name their swords......