Brad Miller [merged]

[Ramps]

I dont know how you see our list claw but if we can score say 4 picks inside 30 which is a possibility we could certainly fix afew holes in our list with quality kids. forget pick 6 - pick 6 must be a success but the real possibilities lie after pick 6. I like Mitchell as a CHF type- could be available anywhere between 15 and 20. I also like the likes of Lamb and even a Caddy. Being able to secure a 2 or 3 of these types will help us get to where we wanna go IMHO and we can only do that with picks.

[bojangles17]

Why do we need insurance for? To stop us dropping from 15th from 16th ???  . We're going to finish bottom 4 again anyway so if we get injuries then we finish bottom, suck it up and end up with a extra priority pick in another compromise draft where decent picks a golden. You know as we should have done the last two years to accelerate our rebuild. Bringing in a number of recycled fringe players from other clubs is only a pathway to another ninth  .

stop trying to forecast the future by reading past chapters MT, honestly mate you're better than that simple minded approach. a journey is one step at a time...ignoring the dearth of forward options at Punt Rd will see us go backwards

[the claw]

I dont know how you see our list claw but if we can score say 4 picks inside 30 which is a possibility we could certainly fix afew holes in our list with quality kids. forget pick 6 - pick 6 must be a success but the real possibilities lie after pick 6. I like Mitchell as a CHF type- could be available anywhere between 15 and 20. I also like the likes of Lamb and even a Caddy. Being able to secure a 2 or 3 of these types will help us get to where we wanna go IMHO and we can only do that with picks.

i see our list in need of upgrades everywhere. we need to prioritise and utilise the nd especially with early to mid picks. but i will say again there is no reason why we should not be trading either. to build we must utilise all areas open to us.

those players you mention are all top 30 selections. listen carefully no one is talking about trading out of top 30 picks well i hope they arent. in fact by trading tambling we are looking at trading into one. grigg houli and miller who is a rookie pick wont cost a top 40 pick yet alone top 30. im not sure we would get top 30 for thursfield more likely a third rounder or we go player for player. the simple fact is houli  can and most likely will be taken psd if not him then grigg. one of them will probably be taken with a third rounder or later they are uncontracted.

for what its worth caddy will go top 10. to me our pick 6 will be between  caddy gaff and atley possibly heppell. me i lean towards atley.  kids like hallahan jacobs gilbee are players i would really like to get my hands on but they will go between 11 and 20 imo.

[Smokey]

Why do we need insurance for? To stop us dropping from 15th from 16th ???  . We're going to finish bottom 4 again anyway so if we get injuries then we finish bottom, suck it up and end up with a extra priority pick in another compromise draft where decent picks a golden. You know as we should have done the last two years to accelerate our rebuild. Bringing in a number of recycled fringe players from other clubs is only a pathway to another ninth  .

Wouldn't think this is your best or most insightful post MT.  I posted a reason for your question in an earlier post:

"We might be rebuilding and developing but we learned how to fight out games and win some last year, and those critical lessons will fade and diminish if we aren't competitive going forward.  We can't keep losing and getting smashed in the sole pursuit of putting games into kids - our development to success must be rounded by effort and results."

Not sure if I missed the intent of your post or you are now just holding on to a singular and suffocating point of view.

[yellowandback]

Smokey Brad Miller is a 27 yo key position player who has had 10 years to hold down a place in a senior AFL side that has itself spent most of the last 5 years at the foot of the ladder.

How on earth that adds depth to our list?  Comparing Ben Cousins to Brad Miller is ridiculous.

I like the logic but do not agree with the proposed solution.

I also see too many occasions where Richmond have turned to other AFL clubs to recruit - we do not have a good track record.
Like it or not, our club has been a shambles for a long time and building from the ground up avoids short cuts.

Brad Miller is a short cut and so it Griggs and Houli (by the way, Houli is too close to Houlihan!).

[jackstar is back again]

Why do we need insurance for? To stop us dropping from 15th from 16th ???  . We're going to finish bottom 4 again anyway so if we get injuries then we finish bottom, suck it up and end up with a extra priority pick in another compromise draft where decent picks a golden. You know as we should have done the last two years to accelerate our rebuild. Bringing in a number of recycled fringe players from other clubs is only a pathway to another ninth  .

Wouldn't think this is your best or most insightful post MT.  I posted a reason for your question in an earlier post:

"We might be rebuilding and developing but we learned how to fight out games and win some last year, and those critical lessons will fade and diminish if we aren't competitive going forward.  We can't keep losing and getting smashed in the sole pursuit of putting games into kids - our development to success must be rounded by effort and results."

Not sure if I missed the intent of your post or you are now just holding on to a singular and suffocating point of view.

Post of the month, so far

[jackstar is back again]

Brad Miller is a must if we can get him

[bojangles17]

brad miller may have had a chequered past , but I pose this, How often did he share a forward line with a Coleman medalist ...this move could just be a stroke of genius

[Hes My Hero]

Brad Miller is a must if we can get him

Jack, i 100% agree.
 

[jackstar is back again]

brad miller may have had a chequered past , but I pose this, How often did he share a forward line with a Coleman medalist ...this move could just be a stroke of genius

Thank you

[wayne]

Think Miller has a lot to offer.
Kicked 10 in an VFL game this year.
Way too many experts on this forum, you should try getting a job at a club

Agree.

He's not going to play too much you'd think. If Riewoldt went down with a big injury, we have no-one (with experience) as back-up. That's where Miller would come in.

[jackstar is back again]

tell you all something though, rather play Miller than a Nahas or Hislop

[wayne]

so many experts here on this forum im surprised u all arnt coaches at afl by now  

brad miller is a giant lump of drift wood floating with us up poo creek

Wrong, talented footballer with great hands who reads the game extremely well.
Dont know the story behind the scenes with Melb in 2010, something not right there though

lmao hes a spud.

no talent, just a big bloke who offers a target, Ben Holland mkII

waste of time

He is hardly big.- would be jack riewoldt size
he isnt a waste of time and he aint a spud

he moves and turns like the titanic.
 melbourne have no fwd line and they are getting rid of him, think about it 
yeah hes no spud

Melbourne have Jurrah and Watts and will prlly draft a fey forward in Darling or Lynch which is a very good young forward line. 

We're not picking him with our pick #6, we'll get him with our last rookie pick.

We'll pick another young gun at 6.

[Danog]

Must attend my first function is Pia is going to be there 

[mightytiges]

Why do we need insurance for? To stop us dropping from 15th from 16th ???  . We're going to finish bottom 4 again anyway so if we get injuries then we finish bottom, suck it up and end up with a extra priority pick in another compromise draft where decent picks a golden. You know as we should have done the last two years to accelerate our rebuild. Bringing in a number of recycled fringe players from other clubs is only a pathway to another ninth  .

stop trying to forecast the future by reading past chapters MT, honestly mate you're better than that simple minded approach. a journey is one step at a time...ignoring the dearth of forward options at Punt Rd will see us go backwards

List building is about planning for the future though bj. Recruiters are watching potential draftees from at least their U16 days and list managers together with the recruiters need to access the potential strength and depth of the next 2-3 drafts and what will be available in terms of the quality and quantity of mids, KPPs, rucks. Last year was a mids draft with all but John Butcher and Daniel Talia taken in the first round of the draft. We only got Griffiths at 19 because there were concerns about his injured shoulder and he slipped out of the first round. No one said to ignore our dearth of forward options. Quite the contrary. In fact we still lack the necessary quality and depth in most areas on the ground. That's what the draft is for. When in full rebuild mode you accrue as many early picks as possible to add more and more talent and class to our list including key forwards. Maybe you could argue a 22-24 y.o. mature rookie may be worth bringing in if he could develop into an AFL player and fill a need. Not as a temporary "back-up" though which is a waste of time IMO. Melbourne sure thought so with Miller so he played in VFL most of this year. Miller won't solve our dearth of forwards as he'll just be a 27 y.o. temporary back-up. He's only ever kicked more than 15 goals in a season twice; the highest being 26. He's hardly going to replace Jack's output of 78 goals if Jack and Griffiths got injured which is the reasoning for his recruitment as a mature rookie. Add to that in the six games he played this year Melbourne lost 4 of them and most of those were by 40-60 points so he didn't stop the Dees losing badly either. We might as well try Post or Vickery up forward if all we want is a tall target who kicks a goal a game on average. Sorry you can call my opinion "simple minded" all you like but it won't change my opinion that Miller is not needed at Punt Rd.