Brad Miller [merged]

[Tigeritis™©®]

I suggest you both watch the replay again and the replay of the game against the bombers and ask yourself, "what point is there that he is in the team?" when he can't kick, read the play, gets in jacks way, fails to block, fails to capitalize on jacks good work, fumbles, can't kick beyond 40m, takes his defender straight to Jack, has no respect by any opposition defender. Etc etc etc.

Firstly, I thought I was commenting on the game against GWS not a game from weeks ago so I don't need to watch THAT replay. It is not relevant to this discussion about this game = GWS

It seems to me it wouldn't matter what he does facts are you have made up your mind and that's your choice but please don't keep harping back to game that is history at least deal with the most recent game

ok WP obviously you only read part of my posts.
  Then watch the replay of this game then and watch closely how many times he fails.
And why didn't you answer my question that I asked in that post?
I'll ask another question, will he be there in 2014? If not then what's the point playing him anywhere but coburg where he can help teach the youngsters?

[Judge Roughneck]

Dea? Best side?

read the last few pages of this thread.

i agree with those who think miller is a step backwards. he surely wont be on the list come seasons end.have always thought we still need to get games into kids weather they have earnt them or not.  fast vtracking kids is actually the thing that has made us mnore competetive and all of a sudden we want to stop doing it. still to many hacks on the list to stop doing it.

so what options did we have and do we have.
for the gws game i would have played maric out of a fp for 80% of the game. would have given graham a run in the ruck for 80% of the game.
with ivan and riewoldt both playing forward the option would have been to give a kid a game against kids. elton or post should have played.post would have given us the flexability to cover the oppositions extra tall forwards if need be.
 
what do we do if ivan gets hurt. we cant even give another ruckman a game while hes there and being run into the ground, if ivan goes down we just throw that ruckman in the deep end without having played a game all yr.
we had an opportunity to develop and have a look at other players just by tweaking things  a bit and we failed to do so.

me  i think connors earned another game. id really like to see o'hanlon get a full game and edwards has had another good game as a small forward. those are your three medium small forwards for next week.
personally id drop both king and nahas who both did little again and again very much looked like vfl players.. i have to say if miller is not the future these two arent either.

people go crook about post but i have to say as a backman hes done just as much as griffiths if not more when he has played, yet so few want to give him a decent run at it.

after the break we get grimes back we need to either play griffiths and rance with him or play post and rance with him and send griffiths to ff.when astbury gets match fit i would play him as a hit up chf.
to me the tall options and all the forward options are.

b/  morris - rance - grimes/moore.
hb/ dea - griffiths/post/astbury -  newman/batchelor/ whos out of touch in a big way.
c/ deledio - tuck - grigg
hf/ o'hanlon - griffiths/post/astbury/elton - connors.
f/ edwards/king/nahas/a maric - riewoldt/griffiths - vickery/derickx/ i maric
r/ maric/graham - cotchin - foley.
int/ ellis - houli - conca - jackson/arnot.

if every one was fit and in form, my side would go.

b/ morris - rance - moore only if fit and hes regained his pace and form.or if we need balance a small in newman or houli.
hb/ grimes - post/griffiths - batchelor/newman
c/ deledio - martin - grigg
hf/  o'hanlon - astbury - connors/maric
f/  edwards - riewoldt - griffiths/vickery/derickx
r/ maric - cotchin - foley
int/ tuck - ellis - conca - helbig/arnot.
emg houli vickery jackson nahas king.

young players like vickery havibg had numerous opportunity would now have to earn a game and older players who arent a part of the future will be slowly phased out like jackson nahs, king miller only to get a game if injury happens.

[WilliamPowell]

I suggest you both watch the replay again and the replay of the game against the bombers and ask yourself, "what point is there that he is in the team?" when he can't kick, read the play, gets in jacks way, fails to block, fails to capitalize on jacks good work, fumbles, can't kick beyond 40m, takes his defender straight to Jack, has no respect by any opposition defender. Etc etc etc.

Firstly, I thought I was commenting on the game against GWS not a game from weeks ago so I don't need to watch THAT replay. It is not relevant to this discussion about this game = GWS

It seems to me it wouldn't matter what he does facts are you have made up your mind and that's your choice but please don't keep harping back to game that is history at least deal with the most recent game

ok WP obviously you only read part of my posts.
  Then watch the replay of this game then and watch closely how many times he fails.
And why didn't you answer my question that I asked in that post?
I'll ask another question, will he be there in 2014? If not then what's the point playing him anywhere but coburg where he can help teach the youngsters?

Now that's funny you say I don't read all of your post well I could say the same so I suggest you read mine.

I said in my original post that I hadn't watched the replay and my comments were based on what I saw at the actual game. I intend to watch the replay today

BTW all the things you highlighted about the Bombers game which you are now saying he did or didn't do in the GWS game are the things that at the game I saw him to do eg the blocking, 1%ers etc. But as I said I'll watch the replay and I'll look to see what the TV shows as opposed to what you see when you are at a game

In answer to your other question - will he be there in 2014? - to be honest and you're not going to like this my answer is I really don't know as IMV it is going to depend on how the young blokes are coming along. Do you keep him for insurance in 2014 in case things goes "pear shaped" with the similar sized young blokes on the list

FWIW I reckon the blokes that are on the list who you would think are going to take his place are: Post, Astbusry, Elton and perhaps Griffiths (though the Club seem determined to have him as a defender). I dont' include Derickx as I see him as a ruckman and pinch hitter up forward and I think there are real doubts he will be there in 2014. As for this call for Gus to be played as a forward - well no he is a ruckman and not a very mobile one at that so how people can think he can be a relatively mobile forward certainly confuses me

Again IMV, Post will be gone at the end of the season. You and others can say they should play him but if at Coburg he isn't doing the things they want him to do to warrant selection then why play him?

Astbury: there are massive questions marks here like there are with anyone who's coming off a major knee injury. Simple fact is right now they are taking it very slowly with him and I for one applaud the Club for taking this approach. 

Elton: played Coburg ressies on Saturday which either suggest he's a long way off AFL level or they were trying to give a full game of footy. I hope it was the latter but having said that I don't think anyone can read too much into anyone playing well at that level because the gap in standard between VFL & VFL ressies is massive. So again there a question marks over where he sits in being ready for AFL footy.

***BTW I haven't inlcuded Vickery because he is a long termer as this year has shown despite his form being terrible for most of the season (would say he has gone backwards actually). So Miller isn't and wont keep him out of the side

So as to why is playing in the seniors? Simple answer is the coaches want him there because they think he is the best option for us right now because he plays the role they want. And another thing Dimma loves the way he plays and what he brings to the team and at the end of the day that's far more important that what we think 

[dwaino]

***BTW I haven't inlcuded Vickery because he is a long termer as this year has shown despite his form being terrible for most of the season (would say he has gone backwards actually). So Miller isn't and wont keep him out of the side

So as to why is playing in the seniors? Simple answer is the coaches want him there because they think he is the best option for us right now because he plays the role they want. And another thing Dimma loves the way he plays and what he brings to the team and at the end of the day that's far more important that what we think 

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[Jackstar is back again]

So as to why is playing in the seniors? Simple answer is the coaches want him there because they think he is the best option for us right now because he plays the role they want. And another thing Dimma loves the way he plays and what he brings to the team and at the end of the day that's far more important that what we think 

Totally agree, although the nuffers on he are clueless so pointless discussing anymore

[Judge Roughneck]

You understand bradley was delisted by Mfc. When Mfc had arguably the weakest list and close to the youngest in last 150 years?

I suggest you both watch the replay again and the replay of the game against the bombers and ask yourself, "what point is there that he is in the team?" when he can't kick, read the play, gets in jacks way, fails to block, fails to capitalize on jacks good work, fumbles, can't kick beyond 40m, takes his defender straight to Jack, has no respect by any opposition defender. Etc etc etc.

Firstly, I thought I was commenting on the game against GWS not a game from weeks ago so I don't need to watch THAT replay. It is not relevant to this discussion about this game = GWS

It seems to me it wouldn't matter what he does facts are you have made up your mind and that's your choice but please don't keep harping back to game that is history at least deal with the most recent game

ok WP obviously you only read part of my posts.
  Then watch the replay of this game then and watch closely how many times he fails.
And why didn't you answer my question that I asked in that post?
I'll ask another question, will he be there in 2014? If not then what's the point playing him anywhere but coburg where he can help teach the youngsters?

Now that's funny you say I don't read all of your post well I could say the same so I suggest you read mine.

I said in my original post that I hadn't watched the replay and my comments were based on what I saw at the actual game. I intend to watch the replay today

BTW all the things you highlighted about the Bombers game which you are now saying he did or didn't do in the GWS game are the things that at the game I saw him to do eg the blocking, 1%ers etc. But as I said I'll watch the replay and I'll look to see what the TV shows as opposed to what you see when you are at a game

In answer to your other question - will he be there in 2014? - to be honest and you're not going to like this my answer is I really don't know as IMV it is going to depend on how the young blokes are coming along. Do you keep him for insurance in 2014 in case things goes "pear shaped" with the similar sized young blokes on the list

FWIW I reckon the blokes that are on the list who you would think are going to take his place are: Post, Astbusry, Elton and perhaps Griffiths (though the Club seem determined to have him as a defender). I dont' include Derickx as I see him as a ruckman and pinch hitter up forward and I think there are real doubts he will be there in 2014. As for this call for Gus to be played as a forward - well no he is a ruckman and not a very mobile one at that so how people can think he can be a relatively mobile forward certainly confuses me

Again IMV, Post will be gone at the end of the season. You and others can say they should play him but if at Coburg he isn't doing the things they want him to do to warrant selection then why play him?

Astbury: there are massive questions marks here like there are with anyone who's coming off a major knee injury. Simple fact is right now they are taking it very slowly with him and I for one applaud the Club for taking this approach. 

Elton: played Coburg ressies on Saturday which either suggest he's a long way off AFL level or they were trying to give a full game of footy. I hope it was the latter but having said that I don't think anyone can read too much into anyone playing well at that level because the gap in standard between VFL & VFL ressies is massive. So again there a question marks over where he sits in being ready for AFL footy.

***BTW I haven't inlcuded Vickery because he is a long termer as this year has shown despite his form being terrible for most of the season (would say he has gone backwards actually). So Miller isn't and wont keep him out of the side

So as to why is playing in the seniors? Simple answer is the coaches want him there because they think he is the best option for us right now because he plays the role they want. And another thing Dimma loves the way he plays and what he brings to the team and at the end of the day that's far more important that what we think 

[WilliamPowell]

You understand bradley was delisted by Mfc. When Mfc had arguably the weakest list and close to the youngest in last 150 years?

Yeh I do

I also understand he was delisted by the same MFC that less than 12 months later sacked the very coach that delisted him (Miller) and and sacked their then captain James MacDonald causing massive friction at the said MFC

I also understand that despite having tanked for high draft picks that gave them the chance at the very best talent in the country the MFC has currently close to the worst list in the competition because they believed Jackie Watts was a better option than Nic Nat  and that the same Jackie Watts was a better key forward for them "short term" than Bradley

So what exactly is your point? The many levels of stupidity shown by the MFC over the last 3 years or the fact that perhaps the MFC made a mistake shafting senior players 

[Tigeritis™©®]

I suggest you both watch the replay again and the replay of the game against the bombers and ask yourself, "what point is there that he is in the team?" when he can't kick, read the play, gets in jacks way, fails to block, fails to capitalize on jacks good work, fumbles, can't kick beyond 40m, takes his defender straight to Jack, has no respect by any opposition defender. Etc etc etc.

Firstly, I thought I was commenting on the game against GWS not a game from weeks ago so I don't need to watch THAT replay. It is not relevant to this discussion about this game = GWS

It seems to me it wouldn't matter what he does facts are you have made up your mind and that's your choice but please don't keep harping back to game that is history at least deal with the most recent game

ok WP obviously you only read part of my posts.
  Then watch the replay of this game then and watch closely how many times he fails.
And why didn't you answer my question that I asked in that post?
I'll ask another question, will he be there in 2014? If not then what's the point playing him anywhere but coburg where he can help teach the youngsters?

So as to why is playing in the seniors? Simple answer is the coaches want him there because they think he is the best option for us right now because he plays the role they want. And another thing Dimma loves the way he plays and what he brings to the team and at the end of the day that's far more important that what we think 

if dimma loves him so much then why was he dropped after his essendon game?
Initially some posters thought miller was there to help develop our young forwards. That's the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.
I think this year there's absolutely nothing wrong with gifting games to the youngsters to find out if they're capable or to fastrack development because this year is a critical development year.   
Tell GWS not to play Cameron or Patton because they are too young.... Stupid.   

All you Miller lovers will soon learn by next year if we don't find another option at chf we will be stuffed for atleast 2 more years with no option at Chf. And God help us if Jack gets injured.
If we want to play finals next year and be a serious threat by 2014 then we need to find a kpp before this year is out because Miller isn't the answer and won't be by 2014. FACT.

And fwiw, I would play griff @ chf and leave him there for the rest of the season. Then we will find out whether or not he's the option for the future.   

[Jackstar is back again]

Enter C.Schwab.lol

[Tigeritis™©®]

Enter C.Schwab.lol

and tell us again jackstar... How many goals did you tell us Miller was going to kick against the kids???? 
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[WilliamPowell]

if dimma loves him so much then why was he dropped after his essendon game?

Gee I dont' know maybe because he had a bad game... can you beleive they actually dropped someone for a bad game? Pity they don't do it for a few others

Initially some posters thought miller was there to help develop our young forwards. That's the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.

So are you saying that Dimma is lying? Seeing that's what was originally said when he was drafted 

I think this year there's absolutely nothing wrong with gifting games to the youngsters to find out if they're capable or to fastrack development because this year is a critical development year.   
Tell GWS not to play Cameron or Patton because they are too young.... Stupid.

So using your argument GWS shouldn't have recruited MacDonald (outstanding leader), Brogan, O'Halpin or Cornes (dont agree with it myself but the point is the same) because it should be kids all the way should it? No senior players to protect the kids just play play kids at all costs right?   

All you Miller lovers will soon learn by next year if we don't find another option at chf we will be stuffed for atleast 2 more years with no option at Chf. And God help us if Jack gets injured.
If we want to play finals next year and be a serious threat by 2014 then we need to find a kpp before this year is out because Miller isn't the answer and won't be by 2014. FACT.

You asked a question I have my opinion which you don't agree with and that's fair enough but as it stands right now we don't have that many options; certainly none that are demanding his spot. Rather than bagging Miller why don't you question why the Posts of this world aren't doing enough to demand his spot? To me that's a far more important question than whether Brad Miller should be on the list in 2013

And fwiw, I would play griff @ chf and leave him there for the rest of the season. Then we will find out whether or not he's the option for the future.

FWIW I actually agree with you. I'd certainly give Griffiths a shot up forward

[Jackstar is back again]

Enter C.Schwab.lol

and tell us again jackstar... How many goals did you tell us Miller was going to kick against the kids???? 
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You win goose of the year
It rained the entire game you imbecile
For what it's worth would take Brad over Ty any day

[Tigeritis™©®]

if dimma loves him so much then why was he dropped after his essendon game?

Gee I dont' know maybe because he had a bad game... can you beleive they actually dropped someone for a bad game? Pity they don't do it for a few others

Initially some posters thought miller was there to help develop our young forwards. That's the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.

So are you saying that Dimma is lying? Seeing that's what was originally said when he was drafted 

I think this year there's absolutely nothing wrong with gifting games to the youngsters to find out if they're capable or to fastrack development because this year is a critical development year.   
Tell GWS not to play Cameron or Patton because they are too young.... Stupid.

So using your argument GWS shouldn't have recruited MacDonald (outstanding leader), Brogan, O'Halpin or Cornes (dont agree with it myself but the point is the same) because it should be kids all the way should it? No senior players to protect the kids just play play kids at all costs right?   

All you Miller lovers will soon learn by next year if we don't find another option at chf we will be stuffed for atleast 2 more years with no option at Chf. And God help us if Jack gets injured.
If we want to play finals next year and be a serious threat by 2014 then we need to find a kpp before this year is out because Miller isn't the answer and won't be by 2014. FACT.

You asked a question I have my opinion which you don't agree with and that's fair enough but as it stands right now we don't have that many options; certainly none that are demanding his spot. Rather than bagging Miller why don't you question why the Posts of this world aren't doing enough to demand his spot? To me that's a far more important question than whether Brad Miller should be on the list in 2013

And fwiw, I would play griff @ chf and leave him there for the rest of the season. Then we will find out whether or not he's the option for the future.

FWIW I actually agree with you. I'd certainly give Griffiths a shot up forward

firstly we have enough leaders in the f50 (Jack & Jake).
Play post, if he's no good get rid of him. He ain't gonna get any better in the magoos. Atleast by playing him he learns quicker, you find out if he can make it and he may even get some currency for a possible trade.
Remember this year is a critical year for our team development moving forward.
and GWS needed some senior players to help we already have some.
On Griff, hopefully they'll play him at chf when grimes comes back. 

[Tigeritis™©®]

Enter C.Schwab.lol

and tell us again jackstar... How many goals did you tell us Miller was going to kick against the kids???? 
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You win goose of the year
It rained the entire game you imbecile
For what it's worth would take Brad over Ty any day

interesting that you have resorted to name calling which I have never done to you.

Ok it rained but Cameron, Jack, and Patton had no trouble.

Let's look at anything else we can see of millers game.

10 possies
4 marks.
0 contested marks
0 goal assists.
0 goals. 
Not good enough in my opinion. Have Vickery in ahead of him any day of the week and would be picked ahead of Miller by every other coach in the league if had the choice between the 2 of them.

[JVT]

Let's look at anything else we can see of millers game.

10 possies
4 marks.
0 contested marks
0 goal assists.
0 goals. 
Not good enough in my opinion.

Your right, it isn't good enough, and the fact he is still getting games in front of Vickery tells us how bad he (TV) is going at the moment.

Vickery needs to find that form from last year, and if he does and maintains it, then Miller won't be playing again. Can't understand why we are bashing Miller because of Vickery's lack of form.