Brad Miller [merged]

[Coach]

please spare me, finals footy as a ruckman
Jason Blake has rarely played ruck FACT
Has been used down back .
5 years ago he was used a tagger on Judd.
pointless discussing with idiots

No wonder why you got sacked. He was pinch hitting for Trent Knobel for years. He gets used down back because he's a quality defender. Riewoldt couldn't get a kick on him in the 3rd quarter of our game a few weeks back. Then they moved him into the ruck and he helped get them back into the game but they had no one to play on Jack after that.

Playing as a tagger on JUDD shows that Blake is good utility. Can play ruck. Are you telling me Lynch was a poo CHB because he ended up playing more as a forward?

stuff me dead, you are the dumbest moron to grace the internet.

[Coach]

I love how you ignore everything said about Miller in my post. If you didn't know him personally, you'd be kicking him in the guts like you do to every other player on our list.

[Tigeritis™©®]

At least you know what you get with Brad
You dont know what lame effort you are going to get week to week with Vickery.
His smiling and carry on half time against Freo pretty well sums it up

TV at 50% is already better than brad at 100%.

We all saw what he's capable of last year which is miles ahead of what brad can only dream of but don't let my opinion stop you from apologizing for calling me names.

Do you actually watch and understand football ?
Vickery has never blocked for his team mates or laid a shepherd this year
Pointless me discussing any further with complete  idiots
Watch the game

Ok. I asked nicely but now i'm peeed off.

Most of what you have posted over the years I've agreed with and I've enjoyed reading but on the odd occasion I disagree you call me a nuffer then you called me an imbecile and now you have called me an idiot.
I have debated fairly ever since posting on this forum and I've NEVER shown you the disrepect you have shown me for what???? Having a different opinion about a poo second rate reject in Brad Miller.

There's really no reason to resort to such childish depths on a forum which encourages rants and good natured debate.
Extremely poor form Jackstar i'm personally very disappointed in you. 

That said you asked if I understand or watched games. I'm not an expert but I watch alot of footy both live and on tv.
What I don't do is make outlandish predictions on good vfl players like you did with Miller. ie Miller will kick 8 goals.
 

[Coach]

Miller to kick 8 My prediction of 8 disposals was closer to the mark.

[Dubstep Dookie]

Enter C.Schwab.lol

and tell us again jackstar... How many goals did you tell us Miller was going to kick against the kids???? 
8
 

You win goose of the year
It rained the entire game you imbecile

Didn't stop the proverbial hack Connors from taking overhead grabs and kicking 3, so what's Millers excuse?

[Hard Roar Tiger]

please spare me, finals footy as a ruckman
Jason Blake has rarely played ruck FACT
Has been used down back .
5 years ago he was used a tagger on Judd.
pointless discussing with idiots

You know what it means when a person thinks everyone around them is the idiot? 

























 

[the claw]

At least you know what you get with Brad

9 touches.
V Few goals. Very short kicking ability.
A turning circle of a boat and a defender that will rank up lots of easy ball and make jacks job tougher.

yet thats probably more than vickery has given in most of his games this yr.
two wrongs dont make it right. as has been said ad nauseum vickery has had 9 games this yr has been as poor as you can get in all 9, yes worse than miller and he hasnt been dropped once.
at what stage do we just say enough is enough we cant cant carry you anymore  and we go down the development path rtather than play miller.

to me the club has got two things wrong. 1/ they refuse to drop vickery despite him being the shittiest tall in the comp for 9 weeks and 2/ they keep on playing miller instead of getting games into others even if they arent on fire at coburg. what happened to develoment. sometimes to develop you have to give a kid a game deserving or not. our list sreams at us. play the kids tiges play the kids  find some who can get us where we want to go.

if people think we are a genuine finals side with a list capable of playing in sustained finals series they are kidding themselves.
we must cut deep again and embrace the draft in a big way again. just too many glass half full players on the list to sustain a thing. fr to many younger players who we have no idea about at afl level still. this yr was always about development and i reckon the club and supporters have lost sight of that.

[the claw]

Houli has played every game possible since his arrival
His use of ball is excellent
In a team that were the biggest butchers of turning the ball over
I give up discussing football on here
Houli a emergency is a joke

his ball use is  v/good under no pressure. mate hes a limited player. panics under pressure in fact he poos himself. he doesnt have the ability to buy time or the awareness to play in the midfield  except as an outside running player to me thats a limited player. to me hes defensively poor  and  that makes him limited. i can go on if you like.
yes atm hes best 22 but im not entirely on about best 22 im looking a little further down the track.
when the likes of houli become our 25th best player or so we will have a side that can win a premiership. to me hes on the cusp as a minimum of what players need to bring to the table.
there are ten on the list i would not hesitate to play in the midfield in front of him. he cant play forward he doesnt have the attributes. its left the loose role across hb where he can use his good footskills. i reckon we could easily find in time a player with good footskills who isnt lacking in the areas houli is.

yes hes played some decent footy yes hes played most games but that doesnt mean we cant do better.

[Judge Roughneck]

And yet dea.is not best 22

& u nae like newman

[Jackstar is back again]

At least you know what you get with Brad

9 touches.
V Few goals. Very short kicking ability.
A turning circle of a boat and a defender that will rank up lots of easy ball and make jacks job tougher.

yet thats probably more than vickery has given in most of his games this yr.
two wrongs dont make it right. as has been said ad nauseum vickery has had 9 games this yr has been as poor as you can get in all 9, yes worse than miller and he hasnt been dropped once.
at what stage do we just say enough is enough we cant cant carry you anymore  and we go down the development path rtather than play miller.

to me the club has got two things wrong. 1/ they refuse to drop vickery despite him being the pootiest tall in the comp for 9 weeks and 2/ they keep on playing miller instead of getting games into others even if they arent on fire at coburg. what happened to develoment. sometimes to develop you have to give a kid a game deserving or not. our list sreams at us. play the kids tiges play the kids  find some who can get us where we want to go.

if people think we are a genuine finals side with a list capable of playing in sustained finals series they are kidding themselves.
we must cut deep again and embrace the draft in a big way again. just too many glass half full players on the list to sustain a thing. fr to many younger players who we have no idea about at afl level still. this yr was always about development and i reckon the club and supporters have lost sight of that.

98% agree with that
Although you still have to win games of football

[Hellenic Tiger]

Agree
Have watched Vickery's games twice and he does everything Miller does with the added bonus he can touch his toes and spoon feed his mids at ruck contests, and kick more than 30 metres
There's no point arguing with nuffers bentleigh

Yep.no point .
Vickery in the last quarter against Jason Blake who ain't a ruckman and Vickery got flogged
Time to de activate my account
Way too many morons on here

Before you do Jack,

Did you see that,

He was tired from the lead mark and goal he kicked from 50 that put us 15 points up in the last.

Miller would have led possibly marked and if he did have the shot at goal the ball would have dropped 5 metres out.

Yes Jack he is doing the one % but Vicks has more upside as do other kids. Unfortunantely they are not demanding this spot.

I am hopeful Astbury or Griffiths take CHF in the future.

Lamentably until this, Miller unfortunantely will be a chance at the selection table.

Personally I want a kid to stand up and send him back to Coburg, for good.

[the claw]

And yet dea.is not best 22

& u nae like newman

sorry did i leave dea out that was an over sight. as one who has backed him in before this yr that is certainly an oversight.
nope didnt say i dont like newman  in fact have always thought him to be a good honsest player.
thing is chris newman is struggling. yes he plays the odd good game probably more than the odd good one. but hes clearly on a down hill spiral and it wont get any better at what 31 next yr.
reckon morris has performed better after what 12 games as a medium defender than chris in most of his career. time to look past chris imo and ensure when he goes theres someone performing in our system.

batchelor is the future as is any of conca ellis helbig. though i think batchelor atm is struggling he really needs to be much cleaner than he is. the fumbles are doing my head in.
as i said to jack i dont necesarily post in the now im looking at when we may be a real contender.

[Jackstar is back again]

I am all for promoting a kid
Problem is there isn't one to promote
Conclusion .Give Astbury at least another 4-5 weeks.Bring him in and push Griffiths forward
Can't see Post making it

[the claw]

I am all for promoting a kid
Problem is there isn't one to promote
Conclusion .Give Astbury at least another 4-5 weeks.Bring him in and push Griffiths forward
Can't see Post making it

this is where we disagree. there are players to promote even if for no other reason than giving them a taste of the big time, sheesh for two yrs we did exactly that with a lot of kids and to a degree it worked  why does it have to magically stop.

elton showed heaps in the preseason he can only be stronger 4 months later. with good players around him play him as a third tall if for no other reason than giving him a taste for two or three games. with vickery and miller so poor what harm can it do in fact it makes it the right time to do it.

on post well i reckon hes given more in his one game than vickery has all yr. he has also  has done no worse than griffiths to date. we give griffiths blocks of games regardless but cant do the same for post.
we have to give this bloke a DECENT GO AT IT  we have to give him the chance to prove himself at afl level.  one game here one game there is killing him.

on astbury play him at chf and leave griffiths where he is for now. theres nothing stopping us giving post 4 or 5 weeks and if hes failed bring astbury in. if not post elton, do wiuth him what we did for vickery griffiths astbury etc we gave em all games for the experience and we gave em all blocks of games.

vickery  if he has any intestinal fortitude can play at coburg for 4 or 5 weeks and find some form and work his way back into the team. miller should permanently stay at coburg to gyuide the kids from there.

[Penelope]

he (post) has also  has done no worse than griffiths to date

you've got to be joking?
griffiths has never looked so lost and out of his depth as post has.

as for
"why does it have to magically stop."

well it's not magic, it's just what the plan was from the start.

first two years development ie getting 500 games into the kids, then a change of focus in the third.