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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #135 on: February 27, 2011, 06:30:03 PM »
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #136 on: February 27, 2011, 08:35:05 PM »
We are all sinners in the sight of God; Romans3:23.
The bible is full of drug references, like all those people getting stoned to death. G Fleet 8:04
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #137 on: March 01, 2011, 03:29:55 AM »
First of all MT what proof do you have that there are organised factions in the liberal party.
Blind Freddy knows there are moderate "small l" and conservative factions within the Liberal party. We've had two instances in the past couple of weeks with the fight between Abbott and Bishop in the party room over foreign aid cuts and Hockey going against Abbott and shadow immigration minister Morrison over the funding of flying asylum seekers to family funerals.

As for Abbott broken election promises - during the 2004 election campaign as health minister he gave a "cast-iron guarantee" that the Medicare safety net would not be raised. One year later it was raised because of cost blowouts.

Abbott's response when asked by Laurie Oakes about breaking his election promise:

"Well, Laurie, when I made that statement, in the election campaign, I had not the slightest inkling that there would ever be any intention to change this. But obviously when circumstances change, governments do change their opinions, and that is actually the responsible course of action."

http://sgp1.paddington.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/political_transcripts/article_1761.asp?s=1

So typical of the hyprocrisy of Phoney Tony....
A levy is wrong and an unnecessary tax unless he wants to introduce one;
A simple carbon tax makes sense when he suggested it back in 2009 but it's a great big tax on everything now;
A statement is only true when it's in writing and not out of his gob;
A broken election promise means you're a liar unless he breaks one where it becomes a responsible course of action;
etc...

Hello Animal Farm rules!  :rollin


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« Reply #138 on: March 01, 2011, 04:05:37 AM »
Even Bob Hawke doesnt reckon that Gillard will make it as leader to the next election. Today, Labors biggest business advocate Heather Ridout also cast major doubts about Carbon Tax. Dear oh Dear its all falling apart for the Red Head.

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« Reply #139 on: March 01, 2011, 05:40:47 AM »
First of all MT what proof do you have that there are organised factions in the liberal party.
Blind Freddy knows there are moderate "small l" and conservative factions within the Liberal party. We've had two instances in the past couple of weeks with the fight between Abbott and Bishop in the party room over foreign aid cuts and Hockey going against Abbott and shadow immigration minister Morrison over the funding of flying asylum seekers to family funerals.

As for Abbott broken election promises - during the 2004 election campaign as health minister he gave a "cast-iron guarantee" that the Medicare safety net would not be raised. One year later it was raised because of cost blowouts.

Abbott's response when asked by Laurie Oakes about breaking his election promise:

"Well, Laurie, when I made that statement, in the election campaign, I had not the slightest inkling that there would ever be any intention to change this. But obviously when circumstances change, governments do change their opinions, and that is actually the responsible course of action."

http://sgp1.paddington.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/political_transcripts/article_1761.asp?s=1

So typical of the hyprocrisy of Phoney Tony....
A levy is wrong and an unnecessary tax unless he wants to introduce one;
A simple carbon tax makes sense when he suggested it back in 2009 but it's a great big tax on everything now;
A statement is only true when it's in writing and not out of his gob;
A broken election promise means you're a liar unless he breaks one where it becomes a responsible course of action;
etc...

Hello Animal Farm rules!  :rollin


All pollies lie and break election promises. That's why no one trusts them.
you FAILED to answer the question MT. I asked for PROOF. Yes there may be difference of opinion and those that lean more left or centre but I asked you to prove that there are ORGANISED factions as the Labor party have. Please answer the question honestly. 
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #140 on: March 01, 2011, 11:32:57 PM »
First of all MT what proof do you have that there are organised factions in the liberal party.
Blind Freddy knows there are moderate "small l" and conservative factions within the Liberal party. We've had two instances in the past couple of weeks with the fight between Abbott and Bishop in the party room over foreign aid cuts and Hockey going against Abbott and shadow immigration minister Morrison over the funding of flying asylum seekers to family funerals.

As for Abbott broken election promises - during the 2004 election campaign as health minister he gave a "cast-iron guarantee" that the Medicare safety net would not be raised. One year later it was raised because of cost blowouts.

Abbott's response when asked by Laurie Oakes about breaking his election promise:

"Well, Laurie, when I made that statement, in the election campaign, I had not the slightest inkling that there would ever be any intention to change this. But obviously when circumstances change, governments do change their opinions, and that is actually the responsible course of action."

http://sgp1.paddington.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/political_transcripts/article_1761.asp?s=1

So typical of the hyprocrisy of Phoney Tony....
A levy is wrong and an unnecessary tax unless he wants to introduce one;
A simple carbon tax makes sense when he suggested it back in 2009 but it's a great big tax on everything now;
A statement is only true when it's in writing and not out of his gob;
A broken election promise means you're a liar unless he breaks one where it becomes a responsible course of action;
etc...

Hello Animal Farm rules!  :rollin


All pollies lie and break election promises. That's why no one trusts them.
you FAILED to answer the question MT. I asked for PROOF. Yes there may be difference of opinion and those that lean more left or centre but I asked you to prove that there are ORGANISED factions as the Labor party have. Please answer the question honestly.  
Sorry I'm not going to play a game of semantics. Every party has factions whether formally recognised or not (even the ALP constitution makes no mention of its factions such as the Socialist Left or the Labor Right). Factions are used to influence things such as policy, preselections and positions on the front bench. Each faction won't allow the other(s) to dominate a party. It's how politics works and how people rise up the party ladder. It is very naive to believe in some idealistic preselection where two candidates have no idea who is going to vote for them and just put their names up and everyone else votes independently on who they think is the best candidate. Politics is a numbers game and factions are all part of the course....

Anyway from the Liberal Party:

BRUCE BAIRD: Currently we have a situation where factions push for certain candidates because they're factionally aligned to them rather than what is in the best interests of the Party.

I mean a classic example was in my own seat where there was certainly a push to have a particular individual pre-selected and you know without looking at the issue as was the candidate appropriate for the electorate; was he likely to win?

And we certainly need a change in terms of the way in which the factions currently operate.


http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s2118506.htm

Religious right chief defeats challenger

Police called to Liberal factions melee

Costello's faction under fire
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #141 on: March 03, 2011, 06:28:27 PM »
The flood levy has passed both houses of parliament.

All states will forced to have independent assessments of insurance arrangements as part of deal for flood levy to pass through parliament.

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« Reply #142 on: March 03, 2011, 10:34:52 PM »
I don't think the Feds can make states pay for insurance.


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« Reply #143 on: March 04, 2011, 01:35:25 AM »
I don't think the Feds can make states pay for insurance.


They can force the States to by depriving them of Federal disaster relief monies if they don't have insurance. It's really only one state - Queensland - who has to change.
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #144 on: March 06, 2011, 09:30:30 PM »
Can someone confirm what i read that Australia contributes about only 1.8% of emissions worldwide yet we are the first country to go down this carbon tax path.

I'm sorry if i offend anyone but Gillard has completely lost the plot. My father is too blinded by his Labour loyalty to see it. I voted for the Labour party all my life, but i now regret that decision. Rudd was a far better PM than this woman.

Bob Brown bloke rubs me up the wrong way. Its as if he is pulling all the strings now and runs the show. Next gay marriages, heroin injecting rooms in the neighbourhood.

Labour are gone. She might as well walk now and take Abbott with her. We are screwed either way.



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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #145 on: March 06, 2011, 09:55:23 PM »
The carbon tax will never get up. It's politically too difficult to sell especially in the current political climate.  Brown has got the ALP by the balls and it's all going to go to the poo...

Back to the polls, and the libs will win in a landslide.

It's also not the magic bullet it's being made out to be. Apparently $9 billion raised per year, yet 2/3rds are anticipated to be returned to cover the low an middle class (and I'll bet the big companies) via tax credits.

So what's the point?

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #146 on: March 07, 2011, 05:25:04 PM »
Our global emissions are bugger all compared to the rest of the world yet julliar is going to freely permit the export of huge amounts of coal to two of the biggest polluters on the globe, China and India and guess what, they have no carbon tax or ETS. So if anyone wants to use the term hypocrite, it can be used to describe Gillard in a nutshell. So she is now a liar and a Hypocrite. Sorry but not a person I want leading our country.

Important point: Jillard will kill the only true export advantage that industry has in this country, cheap electricity and the side effect will be massive job losses and industry forced to go overseas in order to remain competitive.

All this debate will be a moot point come the next election anyway (which I believe will be sooner rather than later) as many labor voters are already jumping ship and those nutters Wilkie, Oakeshott and Windsor will be put to the sword by their own constituents for being totally incompetent, self serving and not reflecting the true feelings of the people who put them there.



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« Reply #147 on: March 07, 2011, 08:08:38 PM »
A global ETS is coming. Business around the world wouldn't be preparing for one if to stop it was to simply vote in conservative governments. You can guarantee once it is in the Libs won't repeal it. There's a financial impost on companies who produce all other forms of air, ground and water waste. They just can't freely dump it into the environment. CO2 as a byproduct of burning fossil fuels is the only waste product that you can. Even the Libs have publicly stated they believe in climate change (now who was the hypocrite who said before it was all crap  ::) ) with their "direct action" policy. Good luck with that one when the rest of the world is running a free-market ETS.

Just on the independents - you'll find a significant proportion of their preferential vote are non-Coalition supporters. If you supported the Nats or Libs why would you vote for an independent. There also the fact that traditionally the non-Labor vote can be a strange mixture of four types - (i) non-interventionist on both economical and social issues (ii) non-interventionist on economics but interventionist on social issues (iii) interventionist on economics but non-interventionist on social issues and (iv) interventionist on both economics and social issues. Roughly Turnball would fit in category (i), Abbott in (ii) while Katter would fit into category (iv) being a socially conservative protectionist. Oakeshott and Windsor for all I know may have views closer to Gillard than Abbott. Windsor hates Abbott anyway. Remember the non-Labor parties in the early days were simply not fans of trade unions and so you could have lefties, the old Right, protectionists and free-market supporters all against the ALP. The ALP has survived as a single party despite splits whereas the non-Labor parties have broken up, died and been reborn many times under different names since Federation. The only reason there's a Coalition in the first place is to prevent the ALP from being the dominant party in Parliament.
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« Reply #148 on: March 09, 2011, 04:21:27 PM »
Comments by Onesteel amusing

ONESTEEL has hit out at the federal government, saying uncertainty surrounding policy decisions is directly affecting the steelmaker's bottom line.

The comments came as OneSteel recorded a 5 per cent rise in underlying profit to $125 million for the first half of the 2010-11 financial year.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/onesteel-says-policy-uncertainty-is-hurting-20110222-1b431.html

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #149 on: March 09, 2011, 04:38:26 PM »
A global ETS is coming.


Please show links and proof that India and China have said they will sign a global ETS agreement.