Australian Politics thread [merged]

[WilliamPowell]

Biggest question I have over the greens is post Bob Brown.  

Tend to agree with this also. Compared to some of the other Greens currently at the Federal level Brown is a "moderate" while some of the newbies since the last election come across as having and extremist views.

[WilliamPowell]

an overwhelming majority of Australians agree with me and my contention. you are a reflection of whats wrong with the ALP and the environmental movement. Just another fanatic who doesnt like it when other people disagree with your position. And its why Labor will get belted at the next election and why the Greens will be finished politically within the next 2 federal elections. 

Which contention is that Flagman? Your "Climate Change is scam" contention?  or your view on the Carbon Tax?

Would think they are for many people they are 2 very different arguments

And BTW I think you are going a little bit over the top when you say the majority of Aussie agree with your contentions. Majority would mean at least close to 15mil folks. 

[10 FLAGS]

an overwhelming majority of Australians agree with me and my contention. you are a reflection of whats wrong with the ALP and the environmental movement. Just another fanatic who doesnt like it when other people disagree with your position. And its why Labor will get belted at the next election and why the Greens will be finished politically within the next 2 federal elections. 

Which contention is that Flagman? Your "Climate Change is scam" contention?  or your view on the Carbon Tax?

Would think they are for many people they are 2 very different arguments

And BTW I think you are going a little bit over the top when you say the majority of Aussie agree with your contentions. Majority would mean at least close to 15mil folks. 

This is OER we can make claims like that in here 

[Penelope]

 

[WilliamPowell]

This is OER we can make claims like that in here 

True  

So in that case...... Julia Gillard is the best PM this country has ever had  

 

[1965]

This is OER we can make claims like that in here 

True  

So in that case...... Julia Gillard is the best PM this country has ever had  

 

Just missing one word there WP.

Julia Gillard is the best female PM this country has ever had. FACT

 

[WilliamPowell]

Just missing one word there WP.

Julia Gillard is the best female PM this country has ever had. FACT

 

Nope that would be sexist

And we can't have that 

[tiger101]

If liberals win hypothetically they can make an ETS cost very little per carbon. Even below carbon tax price. Given an ETS system works by government selling emission permits.
 

[1965]

If liberals win hypothetically they can make an ETS cost very little per carbon. Even below carbon tax price. Given an ETS system works by government selling emission permits.
 

Don't kid yourself, if Libs win Direct Action becomes No Action.

 

[Gigantor]

isnt it going to cost the Libs 27 billion to roll back the carbon tax..you can kiss that idea bye then

[1965]

Tony is now pinching Greens policies.

from: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-taps-into-gas-rural-land-debates/story-fn59niix-1226113727812

Tapping into the hottest issues in rural Australia, the Opposition Leader today backed the concerns of frustrated landholders over resources companies seeking to extract coal seam gas.

and

Greens Leader Bob Brown said Mr Abbott was taking up Greens policy in backing the rights of property owners over mining and gas companies.

"If Tony has said that farmers ought to have a prior right to look after their land as against the invasion by coal seam gas explorers and tappers, he's adopting Greens policies," Senator Brown said.

 

[tiger101]

If liberals win hypothetically they can make an ETS cost very little per carbon. Even below carbon tax price. Given an ETS system works by government selling emission permits.
 

Don't kid yourself, if Libs win Direct Action becomes No Action.

 

I was going off the hypothetical assumption that they find rolling back the carbon tax to costly so they let it prevail into the ETS then bring the cost of permits right down. They only need to cut permit emissions to the number we need to make our 5% target cut.
No rule that you have to have the price high on them. You can sell the things for $1 and have the same results from my understanding.

[1965]

If liberals win hypothetically they can make an ETS cost very little per carbon. Even below carbon tax price. Given an ETS system works by government selling emission permits.
 

Don't kid yourself, if Libs win Direct Action becomes No Action.

 

I was going off the hypothetical assumption that they find rolling back the carbon tax to costly so they let it prevail into the ETS then bring the cost of permits right down. They only need to cut permit emissions to the number we need to make our 5% target cut.
No rule that you have to have the price high on them. You can sell the things for $1 and have the same results from my understanding.

You have answered your own question. Dropping the price to $1 would be as costly to as dropping it altogether.

 

[tiger101]

If liberals win hypothetically they can make an ETS cost very little per carbon. Even below carbon tax price. Given an ETS system works by government selling emission permits.
 

Don't kid yourself, if Libs win Direct Action becomes No Action.

 

I was going off the hypothetical assumption that they find rolling back the carbon tax to costly so they let it prevail into the ETS then bring the cost of permits right down. They only need to cut permit emissions to the number we need to make our 5% target cut.
No rule that you have to have the price high on them. You can sell the things for $1 and have the same results from my understanding.

You have answered your own question. Dropping the price to $1 would be as costly to as dropping it altogether.

 

Dropping the price would allow the government to drop alot of the compensation and put back the tax system as it is currently. Which I have stated before is balanced enough for these current volatile economic times.

[1965]

A Liberal National Party candidate has stepped aside as his party investigates an email in which he allegedly said he hopes Prime Minister Julia Gillard "follows the history" of assassinated US president John F Kennedy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-12/lnp-hopeful-stands-aside-over-gillard-email/2837414

Quality mob this opposition.