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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #1995 on: January 06, 2014, 02:46:47 PM »
What sort of bugs me ...is why did theses institutions  all work quite well and coherently in years gone by and now they are seen as a financial and beurocratic burden on society and the economy.
will we be more efficient without them? will it bring solid tangible benefis to each of us,or is this just part of the slash and burn that's taking place across the western world to balance the books?
No system works forever as is. It needs to evolve with the times and be continually adapted or parts replaced if need be. Our constitution was put together over 100 years ago for a very different Australian society and in a very different world. It made sense to have three tiers initially given the tyranny of distance of a large country, created as a federation of 6 separate colonies, with a small population and the lack of fast transport and communication systems between them. As a result, the roles of each tier were able to be very specific back then too with little crossover. Society has changed over the years but with the advancement of the digital age with its instant communication not only across the country but also over the world, it's changed the nature of Australian society and how we do things completely. The three tiers has been able to be adapted over the years to centralise things in an attempt to make things more uniform across the country but this has lead to significant crossover of responsibility across the three tiers with all its duplication and even triplication. It's just an unsustainable, costly, over-governed, inefficient mess now and we are paying for it both in terms of all the taxes and regulations to support all three tiers and outdated and missing infrastructure due to all the segmented planning/policies and buck passing of responsibility.   
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« Reply #1996 on: January 06, 2014, 02:52:38 PM »
What sort of bugs me ...is why did theses institutions  all work quite well and coherently in years gone by and now they are seen as a financial and beurocratic burden on society and the economy.
will we be more efficient without them? will it bring solid tangible benefis to each of us,or is this just part of the slash and burn that's taking place across the western world to balance the books?
No system works forever as is. It needs to evolve with the times and be continually adapted or parts replaced if need be. Our constitution was put together over 100 years ago for a very different Australian society and in a very different world. It made sense to have three tiers initially given the tyranny of distance of a large country, created as a federation of 6 separate colonies, with a small population and the lack of fast transport and communication systems between them. As a result, the roles of each tier were able to be very specific back then too with little crossover. Society has changed over the years but with the advancement of the digital age with its instant communication not only across the country but also over the world, it's changed the nature of Australian society and how we do things completely. The three tiers has been able to be adapted over the years to centralise things in an attempt to make things more uniform across the country but this has lead to significant crossover of responsibility across the three tiers with all its duplication and even triplication. It's just an unsustainable, costly, over-governed, inefficient mess now and we are paying for it both in terms of all the taxes and regulations to support all three tiers and outdated and missing infrastructure due to all the segmented planning/policies and buck passing of responsibility.

Absolutely agree MT, I've commented on this same issue before.  I have always been in favour of removing the State government tier but I guess it could only be done by basically creating a new tier taking on a mix of Local and State roles, with some State roles passed up to the federal level.  Health, Education and Transport are 3 that spring to mind for me.

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #1997 on: January 06, 2014, 03:05:08 PM »
Cori Bernardi just proving again what an absolute fruitcake he is.   

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/cory-bernardi-accuses-some-women-using-abortion-as-form-of-birth-control/story-fni0xqrb-1226795567806

A "conservative revolution"  :help. Someone needs to remind the nutter we have secular democracy  ::).



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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #1998 on: January 06, 2014, 03:25:52 PM »
What sort of bugs me ...is why did theses institutions  all work quite well and coherently in years gone by and now they are seen as a financial and beurocratic burden on society and the economy.
will we be more efficient without them? will it bring solid tangible benefis to each of us,or is this just part of the slash and burn that's taking place across the western world to balance the books?
No system works forever as is. It needs to evolve with the times and be continually adapted or parts replaced if need be. Our constitution was put together over 100 years ago for a very different Australian society and in a very different world. It made sense to have three tiers initially given the tyranny of distance of a large country, created as a federation of 6 separate colonies, with a small population and the lack of fast transport and communication systems between them. As a result, the roles of each tier were able to be very specific back then too with little crossover. Society has changed over the years but with the advancement of the digital age with its instant communication not only across the country but also over the world, it's changed the nature of Australian society and how we do things completely. The three tiers has been able to be adapted over the years to centralise things in an attempt to make things more uniform across the country but this has lead to significant crossover of responsibility across the three tiers with all its duplication and even triplication. It's just an unsustainable, costly, over-governed, inefficient mess now and we are paying for it both in terms of all the taxes and regulations to support all three tiers and outdated and missing infrastructure due to all the segmented planning/policies and buck passing of responsibility.

Absolutely agree MT, I've commented on this same issue before.  I have always been in favour of removing the State government tier but I guess it could only be done by basically creating a new tier taking on a mix of Local and State roles, with some State roles passed up to the federal level.  Health, Education and Transport are 3 that spring to mind for me.
I agree Smokey that it could only be done by abolishing the existing Local and State governments and creating a new tier taking on a mix of Local and State roles. So we would then have a two tier government system - Federal and Provincial/regional. The capital cities would be the easiest to implement along this lines suggested by Elizabeth Proust.
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #1999 on: January 07, 2014, 03:55:08 PM »
My tattooist mates up north not very happy about having to do this at all
http://www.fairtrading.qld.gov.au/Forms/Application_for_a_tattooist_licence.pdf

Parts D and F are an absolute rot. Nothing more than artists trying to make a quid and being treated like criminals or deviants.

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« Reply #2000 on: January 07, 2014, 06:47:16 PM »
Sounds like German secret police during war..m

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2001 on: January 09, 2014, 04:05:56 PM »
Happy twelfth anniversary  Guantanamo bay  :bow

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2002 on: January 12, 2014, 12:17:15 AM »
It would be nice to have a government that just focuses on the fundamentals of education rather than this political cultural war crap  ::).

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/curriculum-critic-wants-more-religion-to-be-taught-in-schools/5195410

Speaking of needing education, Pyne and Donnelly need to read our constitution and learn that we live in a secular democracy.

116. The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=6ED2CAE61E7742A1B2C42F95D4C05252&_z=z

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2003 on: January 12, 2014, 12:36:32 AM »
It would be nice to have a government that just focuses on the fundamentals of education rather than this political cultural war crap  ::).

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/curriculum-critic-wants-more-religion-to-be-taught-in-schools/5195410



At least there is opposition:

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Parents' and citizens' associations are rejecting Mr Donnelly's push for more religious education, saying religious studies belong in the home, not in public schools.

Critical and objective thinking is what needs to be stressed in education. Not only to combat backwards religious principles, but right out to pseudoscience too.

It's comments like:

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"When you look at Parliaments around Australia - they all begin with the Lord's prayer. If you look at our constitution, the preamble is about God.

"You can't airbrush that from history - it has to be recognised."

When you look at history it was Judeo-Christianity leading genocides, tyranny, slavery, drowning and burning people for not buying into their dribble. Yet much of that has been happily airbrushed from history.

I'm vehemently anti-theist and it's just crap, hypocritical rubbish like this that really gets my back up. Spare me the moral argument. Any religion built on blackmail is devoid of morality. Don't brainwash any more youths.


edit: I love Doug Stanhope http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/31/doug-stanhope-raises-money-for-atheist-out-of-spite_n_4524264.html

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2004 on: January 12, 2014, 12:52:05 PM »
Pffft

That's all in thepast. What do you think this is 1096?

Move on

War on terror has no religious undertones

Not a war vs Muslims for oil. Its top stop terror.

Now, the war on drugs. Another logical philosophy correct war :bow


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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2007 on: January 14, 2014, 12:36:45 PM »
It would be nice to have a government that just focuses on the fundamentals of education rather than this political cultural war crap  ::).

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/curriculum-critic-wants-more-religion-to-be-taught-in-schools/5195410

Speaking of needing education, Pyne and Donnelly need to read our constitution and learn that we live in a secular democracy.

116. The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=6ED2CAE61E7742A1B2C42F95D4C05252&_z=z

education for the masses is overrated. you can stick a rich kid in the best school but if hes a moron or just dumb it wont make a difference. the only system that works is having entrance exams for all schools including the private schools and the best kids get in and where a poor kid cant afford to pay then the government should subsidise it for him or her. the days where the bludgers of high society get their dumb kids into the best schools needs to end. also needing to be ended is the fee paying idiots from overseas who pay to get into university courses and they are dumb as dogshit. they just take places away from good Australian kids.   ;D

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2008 on: January 15, 2014, 06:06:40 AM »
It would be nice to have a government that just focuses on the fundamentals of education rather than this political cultural war crap  ::).

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/curriculum-critic-wants-more-religion-to-be-taught-in-schools/5195410

Speaking of needing education, Pyne and Donnelly need to read our constitution and learn that we live in a secular democracy.

116. The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=6ED2CAE61E7742A1B2C42F95D4C05252&_z=z

education for the masses is overrated. you can stick a rich kid in the best school but if hes a moron or just dumb it wont make a difference. the only system that works is having entrance exams for all schools including the private schools and the best kids get in and where a poor kid cant afford to pay then the government should subsidise it for him or her. the days where the bludgers of high society get their dumb kids into the best schools needs to end. also needing to be ended is the fee paying idiots from overseas who pay to get into university courses and they are dumb as dogpoo. they just take places away from good Australian kids.   ;D
Most private schools do have entrance exams to get into them ;).
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #2009 on: January 15, 2014, 08:20:20 AM »
It would be nice to have a government that just focuses on the fundamentals of education rather than this political cultural war crap  ::).

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/curriculum-critic-wants-more-religion-to-be-taught-in-schools/5195410

Speaking of needing education, Pyne and Donnelly need to read our constitution and learn that we live in a secular democracy.

116. The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=6ED2CAE61E7742A1B2C42F95D4C05252&_z=z

education for the masses is overrated. you can stick a rich kid in the best school but if hes a moron or just dumb it wont make a difference. the only system that works is having entrance exams for all schools including the private schools and the best kids get in and where a poor kid cant afford to pay then the government should subsidise it for him or her. the days where the bludgers of high society get their dumb kids into the best schools needs to end. also needing to be ended is the fee paying idiots from overseas who pay to get into university courses and they are dumb as dogpoo. they just take places away from good Australian kids.   ;D
Most private schools do have entrance exams to get into them ;).

No they don't.  Less than 5% in fact