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« Reply #2100 on: March 04, 2014, 12:32:33 PM »
Word is by those in the know is that Shorten won't see out 2014  :shh

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Difference between this and my posts is that I'm guessing and you're making poo up.

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« Reply #2101 on: March 04, 2014, 10:01:39 PM »
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The Coup in Ukraine: Obama’s Dumbest Plan Yet

By Mike Whitney
“Washington and Brussels … used a Nazi coup, carried out by insurgents, terrorists and politicians of Euromaidan to serve the geopolitical interests of the West.” — Natalia Vitrenko, The Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine

February 28, 2014 "Information Clearing House - "Counterpunch" -  The United States helped defeat Nazism in World War 2. Obama helped bring it back.

As you probably know by now, Obama and Co. have ousted Ukraine’s democratically-elected president, Viktor Yanukovych, with the help of ultra-right, paramilitary, neo-Nazi gangs who seized and burned government offices, killed riot police, and spread mayhem and terror across the country. These are America’s new allies in the Great Game, the grand plan to “pivot to Asia” by pushing further eastward, toppling peaceful governments, securing vital pipeline corridors, accessing scarce oil and natural gas reserves and dismantling the Russian Federation consistent with the strategy proposed by geopolitical mastermind, Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski’s magnum opus–”The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and it’s Geostrategic Imperatives” has become the Mein Kampf for aspiring western imperialists. It provides the basic blueprint for establishing US military-political-economic hegemony in the century’s most promising and prosperous region, Asia. In an article in Foreign Affairs Brzezinski laid out his ideas about neutralizing Russia by splitting the country into smaller parts, thus, allowing the US to maintain its dominant role in the region without threat of challenge or interference. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

“Given (Russia’s) size and diversity, a decentralized political system and free-market economics would be most likely to unleash the creative potential of the Russian people and Russia’s vast natural resources. A loosely confederated Russia — composed of a European Russia, a Siberian Republic, and a Far Eastern Republic — would also find it easier to cultivate closer economic relations with its neighbors. Each of the confederated entitles would be able to tap its local creative potential, stifled for centuries by Moscow’s heavy bureaucratic hand. In turn, a decentralized Russia would be less susceptible to imperial mobilization.” (Zbigniew Brzezinski,“A Geostrategy for Eurasia”)

Moscow is keenly aware of Washington’s divide and conquer strategy, but has downplayed the issue in order to avoid a confrontation. The US-backed coup in Ukraine means that that option is no longer feasible. Russia will have to respond to a provocation that threatens both its security and vital interests. Early reports suggest that Putin has already mobilized troops to the East and –according to Reuters “put fighter jets along its western borders on combat alert.” Here’s more from Reuters:

“The United States says any Russian military action would be a grave mistake. But Russia’s foreign ministry said in a statement that Moscow would defend the rights of its compatriots and react without compromise to any violation of those rights.” (Reuters)

There’s going to be a confrontation, it’s just a matter of whether the fighting will escalate or not.

In order to topple Yanukovych, the US had to tacitly support fanatical groups of neo-Nazi thugs and anti-Semites. And, even though “Interim Ukrainian President Oleksander Tuchynov has pledged to do everything in his power to protect the country’s Jewish community”; reports on the ground are not so encouraging. Here’s an excerpt from a statement by Natalia Vitrenko, of The Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine that suggests the situation is much worse than what is being reported in the news:

“Across the country… People are being beaten and stoned, while undesirable members of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine are subject to mass intimidation and local officials see their families and children targeted by death threats if they do not support the installation of this new political power. The new Ukrainian authorities are massively burning the offices of political parties they do not like, and have publicly announced the threat of criminal prosecution and prohibition of political parties and public organizations that do not share the ideology and goals of the new regime.” (“USA and EU Are Erecting a Nazi Regime on Ukrainian Territory”, Natalia Vitrenko)

Earlier in the week, Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that a Ukranian synagogue had been firebombed although the “Molotov cocktails struck the synagogue’s exterior stone walls and caused little damage”.

Another article in Haaretz referred to recent developments as “the new dilemma for Jews in Ukraine”. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

“The greatest worry now is not the uptick in anti-Semitic incidents but the major presence of ultra-nationalist movements, especially the prominence of the Svoboda party and Pravy Sektor (right sector) members among the demonstrators. Many of them are calling their political opponents “Zhids” and flying flags with neo-Nazi symbols. There have also been reports, from reliable sources, of these movements distributing freshly translated editions of Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Independence Square.” (“Anti-Semitism, though a real threat, is being used by the Kremlin as a political football”, Haaretz)

Then there’s this, from Dr. Inna Rogatchi in Arutz Sheva:

“There is no secret concerning the real political agenda and programs of ultra-nationalist parties in Ukraine – there is nothing close to European values and goals there. One just should open existing documents and hear what the representatives of those parties proclaim daily. They are sharply anti-European, and highly racist. They have nothing to do with the values and practices of the civilized world…

Ukrainian Jewry is facing a real and serious threat….To empower the openly neo-Nazi movements in Europe by ignoring the threat they pose is an utterly risky business. People should not have to pay a terrible price – again – for the meekness and indifference of their leaders. As Ukraine today has become the tragic show-case for all of Europe with regards to breeding and allowing race-hatred to become a violent and uncontrollable force, it is impertive to handle the situation there in accordance with existing international law and norms of civilization.” (“Tea With Neo-Nazis: The Violent Nationalism in Ukraine“, Arutz Sheva)

Here’s a little more background on the topic by progressive analyst Stephen Lendmen from a February 25 post titled “New York Times: Supporting US Imperial Lawlessness”:

“Washington openly backs fascist Svoboda party leader Oleh Tyahnybok…In 2004, Tyahnybok was expelled from former President Viktor Yushchenko’s parliamentary faction. He was condemned for urging Ukrainians to fight against a “Muscovite-Jewish mafia.”

In 2005, he denounced “criminal activities” of “organized Jewry.” He outrageously claimed they plan “genocide” against Ukrainians.”…

Tyahnybok extremism didn’t deter Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland. On February 6, she met openly with him and other anti-government leaders.

In early January, 15,000 ultranationalists held a torchlight march through Kiev. They did so to honor Nazi-era collaborator/mass murderer Stepan Bandera. Some wore uniforms a Wehrmacht Ukrainian division used in WW II. Others chanted “Ukraine above all” and “Bandera, come and bring order.” (Steve Lendman blog)

Of course, the US media has downplayed the fascistic-neo-Nazi “ethnic purity” element of the Ukrainian coup in order to focus on– what they think — are more “positive themes”, like the knocking down of statues of Lenin or banning Communist party members from participating in Parliament. As far as the media is concerned, these are all signs of progress.

Ukraine is gradually succumbing to the loving embrace of the New World Order where it will serve as another profit-generating cog in Wall Street’s wheel. That’s the theory, at least. It hasn’t occurred to the boneheads at the New York Times or Washington Post that Ukraine is rapidly descending into Mad Max-type anarchy which could spill over its borders into neighboring countries triggering violent conflagrations, social upheaval, regional instability or–god-help-us– WW3. The MSM sees nothing but silver linings as if everything was going according to plan. All of Eurasia, the Middle East and beyond are being pacified and integrated into one world government overseen by the unitary executive who defers to no one but the corporations and financial institutions who control the levers of power behind imperial shoji-screen. What could go wrong?

Naturally, Russia is worried about developments in Ukraine, but is unsure how to react. Here’s how Russian PM Dmitry Medvedev summed it up the other day:

“We do not understand what is going on there. A real threat to our interests (exists) and to the lives and health of our citizens. Strictly speaking, today there is no one there to communicate with … If you think that people in black masks waving Kalashnikovs (represent) a government, then it will be difficult for us to work with such a government.”

Clearly, Moscow is confused and worried. No one expects the world’s only superpower to behave this irrationally, to hop-scotch across the planet creating one failed state after another, fomenting revolt, breeding hatred, and spreading misery wherever it goes. At present, the Obama team is operating at full-throttle trying to topple regimes in Syria, Venezuela, Ukraine, and god-knows where else. At the same time, failed operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya have left all three countries in dire straights, ruled by regional warlords and armed militias. Medvedev has every right to be concerned.

Who wouldn’t be? The US has gone off the rails, stark raving mad. The architecture for global security has collapsed while the basic principals of international law have been jettisoned. The rampaging US juggernaut lurches from one violent confrontation to the next without rhyme or reason, destroying everything in its path, forcing millions to flee their own countries, and pushing the world closer to the abyss. Isn’t that reason enough to be concerned?

Now Obama has thrown-in with the Nazis. It’s just the icing on the cake.

Check out this blurb from Max Blumenthal’s latest titled “Is the U.S. Backing Neo-Nazis in Ukraine?”:

“Right Sector is a shadowy syndicate of self-described ‘autonomous nationalists’ identified by their skinhead style of dress, ascetic lifestyle, and fascination with street violence. Armed with riot shields and clubs, the group’s cadres have manned the front lines of the Euromaidan battles this month, filling the air with their signature chant: ‘Ukraine above all!’ In a recent Right Sector propaganda video the group promised to fight ‘against degeneration and totalitarian liberalism, for traditional national morality and family values.’

With Svoboda linked to a constellation of international neo-fascist parties through the Alliance of European National Movements, Right Sector is promising to lead its army of aimless, disillusioned young men on “a great European Reconquest.” (“Is the U.S. Backing Neo-Nazis in Ukraine?—Exposing troubling ties in the U.S. to overt Nazi and fascist protesters in Ukraine“, Max Blumenthal, AlterNet)

“Family values”? Where have we heard that before?

It’s clear, that Obama and his brainiac advisors think they have a handle on this thing and can train this den of vipers to click their heels and follow Washington’s directives, but it sounds like a bad bet to me. These are hard-core, died-in-the-wool, Nazi-extremists. They won’t be bought-off, co-opted or intimidated. They have an agenda and they aim to pursue that agenda to their last, dying breath.

Of all the dumb plans Washington has come up with in the couple years, this is the dumbest

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« Reply #2102 on: March 05, 2014, 11:45:27 AM »

One term tony has just ensured the Greens future as a Political Party.

No more national parks as Tony Abbott pledges to support loggers as the 'ultimate conservationists'
March 5, 2014 - 10:56AM

Matthew Knott
 
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has said he will not support the creation of any more national parks in a speech lauding timber workers as "the ultimate conservationists".

Mr Abbott also told a timber industry dinner on Tuesday night that he would create a new Forestry Advisory Council to support the industry.

The council will be co-chaired by Rob de Fegely, President of the Institute of Foresters Australia. Mr de Fegely is the former Liberal Party election candidate for the seat of Eden Monaro.

''We don't support, as a government and as a Coalition, further lockouts of our forests,'' Mr Abbott said. ''We have quite enough National Parks, we have quite enough locked up forests already. In fact, in an important respect, we have too much locked up forest.''

Mr Abbott said the federal government was pushing to delist a world heritage listing of 74,000 hectares of forest in Tasmania. Mr Abbott said the area – which was protected under Tasmania's forest peace deal – was not pristine forest and was too degraded to be considered a sanctuary.

Tasmanians go to the polls on March 15 with jobs and the forestry industry big issues as Labor struggles to hold onto government.

''I don't buy the Green ideology, which has done so much damage to our country over the last couple of decades and I'm pleased to see that there are some sensible Labor Party people who don't buy it either,'' Mr Abbott said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-more-national-parks-as-tony-abbott-pledges-to-support-loggers-as-the-ultimate-conservationists-20140305-345zp.html#ixzz2v2osk5w8
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« Reply #2103 on: March 05, 2014, 11:51:39 AM »
What a moron .

Give Putin a ring tony tell him hrbis naughty you flog.


 

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« Reply #2104 on: March 05, 2014, 12:43:41 PM »

Mr Abbott said the federal government was pushing to delist a world heritage listing of 74,000 hectares of forest in Tasmania. Mr Abbott said the area – which was protected under Tasmania's forest peace deal – was not pristine forest and was too degraded to be considered a sanctuary.

Not only is Tony a climatologist and god's gift to women, but now he is also a well learned horticulturist and aborist.  :cheers
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« Reply #2105 on: March 07, 2014, 08:43:52 AM »

With three state elections and a WA Senate election looming this is what the Libs are trying to keep quiet.

Workers under microscope: Abbott government to scrutinise pay, penalties, conditions
 
March 7, 2014

James Massola
Political correspondent

A new review into Australia's workplace laws will take into consideration the number of working days lost to strike action.

The federal government's sweeping review of Australia's workplace laws will put penalty rates, pay and conditions, union militancy and flexibility under the microscope.
 
The inquiry means that all the elements of WorkChoices that people hated are back on the table, including individual contracts.

A leaked draft of the terms of reference for the Productivity Commission inquiry into the Fair Work Act, obtained by Fairfax Media, reveals the inquiry will examine the act's impact on unemployment and under-employment, productivity, business investment and the ability of the labour market to respond to changing economic conditions.

The number of working days lost to strike action, pressures on small business, employers' flexibility to bargain with their employees on issues like working hours and the impact of red tape on business will be considered.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/workers-under-microscope-abbott-government-to-scrutinise-pay-penalties-conditions-20140306-34aau.html#ixzz2vDfNAE9e

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« Reply #2106 on: March 08, 2014, 06:47:25 AM »
Penalty rates are under threat.

This will mean a pay decrease for some of our lowest paid workers while small business profits rise.


Coalition MPs plot to strip workers' weekend and holiday penalty rates
 
March 8, 2014

Jonathan Swan, Anna Patty and James Massola
 
Tony Abbott is under pressure from his backbench to do something about ''job killing'' weekend and holiday penalty rates, with 10 Coalition MPs telling Fairfax Media the controversial issue could not be ignored.

But the cabinet, which in private still talks bitterly about the damage caused by the Howard government's WorkChoices policy, is determined to keep its pre-election promise not to touch penalty rates in its first term.

Hoping to placate fears that he wanted the Productivity Commission to review penalties - following a report by Fairfax Media on a leaked government document - Employment Minister Eric Abetz said the Coalition had no immediate plans.

''I can confirm that in absolutely no iteration of the terms of reference has the issue of penalty rates or union militancy been mentioned,'' Mr Abetz said.

But the Employment Minister went on to concede that the terms of reference for the Productivity Commission's review of workplace laws were deliberately broad enough to cover ''a full and thorough analysis of all aspects of the Fair Work Act''. And the draft terms of reference explicitly mention ''pay and conditions'' and ''industrial conflict'' - which is widely understood to include penalty rates and union militancy.

But by leaving penalty rates for the independent umpire - who may decide to leave current rates in place - Mr Abetz and Mr Abbott could face a protest from their backbench MPs.

Several Liberal MPs, particularly those who represent electorates with large numbers of tourism and hospitality businesses, believe small businesses need to be ''liberated'' from having to pay higher weekend and holiday rates, which can lead to businesses deciding not to open on certain days or to employ fewer staff.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-mps-plot-to-strip-workers-weekend-and-holiday-penalty-rates-20140307-34cw8.html#ixzz2vJ9XKOzg
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« Reply #2107 on: March 08, 2014, 07:39:12 PM »
What a moron .

Give Putin a ring tony tell him hrbis naughty you flog.


 

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come on WP, give him a brake


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« Reply #2108 on: March 09, 2014, 04:08:17 AM »
Penalty rates are under threat.

This will mean a pay decrease for some of our lowest paid workers while small business profits rise.


Coalition MPs plot to strip workers' weekend and holiday penalty rates
 
March 8, 2014

Jonathan Swan, Anna Patty and James Massola
 
Tony Abbott is under pressure from his backbench to do something about ''job killing'' weekend and holiday penalty rates, with 10 Coalition MPs telling Fairfax Media the controversial issue could not be ignored.

But the cabinet, which in private still talks bitterly about the damage caused by the Howard government's WorkChoices policy, is determined to keep its pre-election promise not to touch penalty rates in its first term.

Hoping to placate fears that he wanted the Productivity Commission to review penalties - following a report by Fairfax Media on a leaked government document - Employment Minister Eric Abetz said the Coalition had no immediate plans.

''I can confirm that in absolutely no iteration of the terms of reference has the issue of penalty rates or union militancy been mentioned,'' Mr Abetz said.

But the Employment Minister went on to concede that the terms of reference for the Productivity Commission's review of workplace laws were deliberately broad enough to cover ''a full and thorough analysis of all aspects of the Fair Work Act''. And the draft terms of reference explicitly mention ''pay and conditions'' and ''industrial conflict'' - which is widely understood to include penalty rates and union militancy.

But by leaving penalty rates for the independent umpire - who may decide to leave current rates in place - Mr Abetz and Mr Abbott could face a protest from their backbench MPs.

Several Liberal MPs, particularly those who represent electorates with large numbers of tourism and hospitality businesses, believe small businesses need to be ''liberated'' from having to pay higher weekend and holiday rates, which can lead to businesses deciding not to open on certain days or to employ fewer staff.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-mps-plot-to-strip-workers-weekend-and-holiday-penalty-rates-20140307-34cw8.html#ixzz2vJ9XKOzg
A problem with this is those that advocate across the board wage cuts ignore the high cost of living in Australia and the consequences of workers, as consumers themselves, having less money to spend which in turn hurts businesses such as retail and hospitality and the economy overall.

The difference, compared to other countries, is Australia doesn't have a tipping culture. If you work in hospitality at a place where the customers regularly tip then you can make up a fair bit of income in tips. However, most of us Aussies as customers don't see the point of paying more than the menu price for something.
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« Reply #2109 on: March 09, 2014, 07:05:38 AM »
I suppose we can just sit back and see more businesses go bankrupt.

It's a balancing act and I think Australia tips to much to the industrial relations side

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« Reply #2110 on: March 09, 2014, 09:07:08 AM »

Yeah right

Approximately 12900 Jobs will be cut in the next 2 years with Qantas, Holden, Toyota, Ford and Alcoa to close.

All on one-term Tony's watch.

And what has he done since taking office?

Nothing
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« Reply #2111 on: March 09, 2014, 09:50:30 AM »
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

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« Reply #2112 on: March 09, 2014, 09:55:51 AM »
In principle I don't have issue with penalty rates being looked at but I think this needs to be done in conjunction with business welfare being looked at also.

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« Reply #2113 on: March 09, 2014, 10:27:01 AM »
In this debate, the group of people the finger is being pointed at are those in hospitality and retail.
from 2012 average wages( which are not normally a good indication, but when broken down by sector the spread wont be so bad so as to distort like when all wages are put together.

Accommodation, Cafes and Restaurants    $49,982
Retail Trade    $50,944
Other Services    $58,183
Manufacturing    $62,504

while at the other end
Information Media and Telecommunications    $84,656
Electricity, Gas, Water and Waste Services    $84,750
Financial and Insurance Services    $84,947
Professional, Scientific and Technical Services    $88,603
Mining    $121,586

So in typical tea party style, lets attack the wages and conditions of those that can least afford it.

After essential items, like housing, utilities, health and food these people dont have a lot of money to put into the economy, so unless your business is in these essential commodities, which by and large is dominated by large business, cutting the disposable income of these people will hurt your business, not help it.

The pressure put on manufacturing wages is largely from the mining boom and employers having to raise wages to try and keep skilled workers, but again tea party policies have governments bending over backwards to accommodate multinational mining companies raping our natural resources, while distributing a large portion of wages to a select few, which again does not help most small to medium business, but hurts it.

yeah, lets screw the little man, those greedy people who get a little extra compensation to their meager wages for having to work rather than spend leisure time with their family.

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« Reply #2114 on: March 09, 2014, 10:36:54 AM »

Yeah right

Approximately 12900 Jobs will be cut in the next 2 years with Qantas, Holden, Toyota, Ford and Alcoa to close.

All on one-term Tony's watch.

And what has he done since taking office?

Nothing

To be fair on tony

He took five billion dollars away from starving Africans son they shall did thanks tony

And hr is cutting down the worlds oldest trees