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« Reply #3840 on: November 12, 2016, 03:54:25 PM »
A lot of serious reflection needs to come about amongst the left. A mantra I very much consider myself a part of is going about things in completely the wrong way. How about holding a mirror up to ourselves, asking how we lost to an utterly unlosable election. And I say we despite obviously not being part of the US constituency.

When Obama took office in 2008 he had as strong a mandate as anyone has had to take on the political elite - flush out those responsible for the GFC and act accordingly. From my understanding of how it came about - many people should have been convicted, or the system should have been checked harder at the very least. Instead we had many responsible winding up working for and involved in the Obama administration.

As most of you guys have been quick to identify, Hilary was the embodyment of everything hurting the middle america who voted Obama in. Initially it appeared a complete anomaly that Trump could win despite Clinton having such a tremendous lead at the polls. After a second look, it was obvious she was going to lose. But we get our american media from the democrat hubs of NY and Cali - strongholds of the democratic left. Its a filtered and bias replication of whats actually happening. Social media played a huge and thusfar understated role in this boilover. We read only what we want to read. Algorithms feed us only what we already have read and consumed. Facebook doesn't challenge us. The left has gone unchecked and unchallenged for 8 years because of this. Because I follow politics closely I was very intune with the primaries and Trump smashed it in the Mid west Industrial belt: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Hilary was totally belted by Sanders through the same area. The EC votes through these states almost literally decided the election. And honestly, as a hard left idealist I found Trump totally inspiring. "If you take the manufacturing down to Mexico - I'm going to slap a 35% tarriff on what you send back."

I love listening to guys like Yiannopoulis. Not because I agree with much (if any) of what he has to say, but because he challenges my position on things like feminism. I've changed my position accordingly. I don't believe things like the issues of domestic violence belong in the feminist movement. They're too important and feminism is totally decisive. But Milo holding that mirror up to myself has forced me to justify my position. We need to stop dismissing people like this on the outset, listen to what they have to say and then rationalise our positions - the right wing filter, if you will. Im so sick and tired of scrolling through facebook at the moment and reading about how "America just proved its not ready for a female president" and how people are protesting through the streets screaming "Not my Pres". For gods sake, take a look at yourselves. Ask how we lost this election and get better instead of whinging. Its not going to be that bad, it really isn't. Trump will probably be impeached or assasinated anyway. Hell, the last anti-establishment president was killed because he was too damn good (guess which one I'm talking about  ;)).



I could go on, that's probably enough for now.

With Milo he is in his own words a professional provocateur but i do like to be forced to consider my opinion and world view. I like that as a Catholic gay man with a black boyfriend and right wing values, born in England to greek parents and moved to the States, he cant be pidgeon holed.

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #3841 on: November 12, 2016, 04:21:55 PM »
Milo's only "right wing" because's his shyte-scared Muslims will chuck him & his fellow sodomites off a building one day....
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« Reply #3842 on: November 12, 2016, 04:55:14 PM »
They'd be in line behind the Jews.
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« Reply #3843 on: November 12, 2016, 05:15:27 PM »
A lot of serious reflection needs to come about amongst the left. A mantra I very much consider myself a part of is going about things in completely the wrong way. How about holding a mirror up to ourselves, asking how we lost to an utterly unlosable election. And I say we despite obviously not being part of the US constituency.

When Obama took office in 2008 he had as strong a mandate as anyone has had to take on the political elite - flush out those responsible for the GFC and act accordingly. From my understanding of how it came about - many people should have been convicted, or the system should have been checked harder at the very least. Instead we had many responsible winding up working for and involved in the Obama administration.

As most of you guys have been quick to identify, Hilary was the embodyment of everything hurting the middle america who voted Obama in. Initially it appeared a complete anomaly that Trump could win despite Clinton having such a tremendous lead at the polls. After a second look, it was obvious she was going to lose. But we get our american media from the democrat hubs of NY and Cali - strongholds of the democratic left. Its a filtered and bias replication of whats actually happening. Social media played a huge and thusfar understated role in this boilover. We read only what we want to read. Algorithms feed us only what we already have read and consumed. Facebook doesn't challenge us. The left has gone unchecked and unchallenged for 8 years because of this. Because I follow politics closely I was very intune with the primaries and Trump smashed it in the Mid west Industrial belt: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Hilary was totally belted by Sanders through the same area. The EC votes through these states almost literally decided the election. And honestly, as a hard left idealist I found Trump totally inspiring. "If you take the manufacturing down to Mexico - I'm going to slap a 35% tarriff on what you send back."

I love listening to guys like Yiannopoulis. Not because I agree with much (if any) of what he has to say, but because he challenges my position on things like feminism. I've changed my position accordingly. I don't believe things like the issues of domestic violence belong in the feminist movement. They're too important and feminism is totally decisive. But Milo holding that mirror up to myself has forced me to justify my position. We need to stop dismissing people like this on the outset, listen to what they have to say and then rationalise our positions - the right wing filter, if you will. Im so sick and tired of scrolling through facebook at the moment and reading about how "America just proved its not ready for a female president" and how people are protesting through the streets screaming "Not my Pres". For gods sake, take a look at yourselves. Ask how we lost this election and get better instead of whinging. Its not going to be that bad, it really isn't. Trump will probably be impeached or assasinated anyway. Hell, the last anti-establishment president was killed because he was too damn good (guess which one I'm talking about  ;)).



I could go on, that's probably enough for now.

great post dougey  :clapping

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #3844 on: November 12, 2016, 05:51:02 PM »
A lot of serious reflection needs to come about amongst the left. A mantra I very much consider myself a part of is going about things in completely the wrong way. How about holding a mirror up to ourselves, asking how we lost to an utterly unlosable election. And I say we despite obviously not being part of the US constituency.

When Obama took office in 2008 he had as strong a mandate as anyone has had to take on the political elite - flush out those responsible for the GFC and act accordingly. From my understanding of how it came about - many people should have been convicted, or the system should have been checked harder at the very least. Instead we had many responsible winding up working for and involved in the Obama administration.

As most of you guys have been quick to identify, Hilary was the embodyment of everything hurting the middle america who voted Obama in. Initially it appeared a complete anomaly that Trump could win despite Clinton having such a tremendous lead at the polls. After a second look, it was obvious she was going to lose. But we get our american media from the democrat hubs of NY and Cali - strongholds of the democratic left. Its a filtered and bias replication of whats actually happening. Social media played a huge and thusfar understated role in this boilover. We read only what we want to read. Algorithms feed us only what we already have read and consumed. Facebook doesn't challenge us. The left has gone unchecked and unchallenged for 8 years because of this. Because I follow politics closely I was very intune with the primaries and Trump smashed it in the Mid west Industrial belt: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Hilary was totally belted by Sanders through the same area. The EC votes through these states almost literally decided the election. And honestly, as a hard left idealist I found Trump totally inspiring. "If you take the manufacturing down to Mexico - I'm going to slap a 35% tarriff on what you send back."

I love listening to guys like Yiannopoulis. Not because I agree with much (if any) of what he has to say, but because he challenges my position on things like feminism. I've changed my position accordingly. I don't believe things like the issues of domestic violence belong in the feminist movement. They're too important and feminism is totally decisive. But Milo holding that mirror up to myself has forced me to justify my position. We need to stop dismissing people like this on the outset, listen to what they have to say and then rationalise our positions - the right wing filter, if you will. Im so sick and tired of scrolling through facebook at the moment and reading about how "America just proved its not ready for a female president" and how people are protesting through the streets screaming "Not my Pres". For gods sake, take a look at yourselves. Ask how we lost this election and get better instead of whinging. Its not going to be that bad, it really isn't. Trump will probably be impeached or assasinated anyway. Hell, the last anti-establishment president was killed because he was too damn good (guess which one I'm talking about  ;)).



I could go on, that's probably enough for now.

great post dougey  :clapping
Other than the reference to Trumps impeachment/assassination I agree.

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« Reply #3845 on: November 12, 2016, 11:02:07 PM »
As if obama was gonna take on the political elite lol
Does anyone have half an idea on anything?

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« Reply #3846 on: November 12, 2016, 11:57:09 PM »
As if obama was gonna take on the political elite lol
As if he wasnt? He had only been a senator for 3 years before he ran for pres. Very much an anti establishment figure....

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« Reply #3847 on: November 13, 2016, 02:06:59 AM »
and ended up like a used democrats Condom
Caracella and Balmey.

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« Reply #3848 on: November 13, 2016, 02:07:44 AM »
Or a pizza stain on a handkerchief.
Caracella and Balmey.

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« Reply #3849 on: November 13, 2016, 02:12:10 AM »
Did Obama have majorities in both houses ?
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #3850 on: November 13, 2016, 07:22:09 AM »
A lot of serious reflection needs to come about amongst the left. A mantra I very much consider myself a part of is going about things in completely the wrong way. How about holding a mirror up to ourselves, asking how we lost to an utterly unlosable election. And I say we despite obviously not being part of the US constituency.

When Obama took office in 2008 he had as strong a mandate as anyone has had to take on the political elite - flush out those responsible for the GFC and act accordingly. From my understanding of how it came about - many people should have been convicted, or the system should have been checked harder at the very least. Instead we had many responsible winding up working for and involved in the Obama administration.

As most of you guys have been quick to identify, Hilary was the embodyment of everything hurting the middle america who voted Obama in. Initially it appeared a complete anomaly that Trump could win despite Clinton having such a tremendous lead at the polls. After a second look, it was obvious she was going to lose. But we get our american media from the democrat hubs of NY and Cali - strongholds of the democratic left. Its a filtered and bias replication of whats actually happening. Social media played a huge and thusfar understated role in this boilover. We read only what we want to read. Algorithms feed us only what we already have read and consumed. Facebook doesn't challenge us. The left has gone unchecked and unchallenged for 8 years because of this. Because I follow politics closely I was very intune with the primaries and Trump smashed it in the Mid west Industrial belt: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Hilary was totally belted by Sanders through the same area. The EC votes through these states almost literally decided the election. And honestly, as a hard left idealist I found Trump totally inspiring. "If you take the manufacturing down to Mexico - I'm going to slap a 35% tarriff on what you send back."

I love listening to guys like Yiannopoulis. Not because I agree with much (if any) of what he has to say, but because he challenges my position on things like feminism. I've changed my position accordingly. I don't believe things like the issues of domestic violence belong in the feminist movement. They're too important and feminism is totally decisive. But Milo holding that mirror up to myself has forced me to justify my position. We need to stop dismissing people like this on the outset, listen to what they have to say and then rationalise our positions - the right wing filter, if you will. Im so sick and tired of scrolling through facebook at the moment and reading about how "America just proved its not ready for a female president" and how people are protesting through the streets screaming "Not my Pres". For gods sake, take a look at yourselves. Ask how we lost this election and get better instead of whinging. Its not going to be that bad, it really isn't. Trump will probably be impeached or assasinated anyway. Hell, the last anti-establishment president was killed because he was too damn good (guess which one I'm talking about  ;)).



I could go on, that's probably enough for now.

great post dougey  :clapping
Other than the reference to Trumps impeachment/assassination I agree.

FYI I can read but can't answer your PM because of the block, but I don't know the answer to your question anyway

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« Reply #3851 on: November 13, 2016, 08:48:06 AM »
As if obama was gonna take on the political elite lol
As if he wasnt? He had only been a senator for 3 years before he ran for pres. Very much an anti establishment figure....

Was the perception put fwd (esp post Bush) but don't think it was reasonably the case. The establishment owned him.

Did Obama have majorities in both houses ?

Fair point. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the answer is yes for his first term and no for his second term.
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« Reply #3852 on: November 13, 2016, 11:16:32 AM »
Obama is a fool.
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« Reply #3854 on: November 14, 2016, 03:20:53 PM »
Trump appointing a swamp alligator as COS ?
Does anyone have half an idea on anything?