Australian Politics thread [merged]

[mightytiges]

Talking of spending millions of dollars, why would the Labor party pay Higgins over $2m for an alledged rape?

The Labor party didn't pay anything. It was the government and it was a settlement. If the LNP were still in government then they would've done the exact same thing to avoid being sued for a higher amount plus court costs.

BS they would have

Morrison as PM and head of the government at the time had already publicly apologised in Parliament to Higgins, while Higgins' statement of claim was reportedly given to the government on March 29, 2022 when the LNP was still in office. Federal Government lawyers would've been recommending agreeing to a settlement payout no matter who was in govt after the May 2022 election.

wouldnt bother with him/her damo.

Your continual obsession with my gender is just bizarre.

[Assange Tiger 😎]

One thing I know is that today is the first time I’ve felt insulted in this thread.

Sure , my intelligence has been insulted many times, but I am really annoyed by one part of what’s been said today.

MT, don’t tell me I’m ungrateful of the efforts of the ANZACS because I think the voice referendum was a waste of money. Linking “Lest We Forget” and “the ultimate sacrifice” to your argument is pathetic. Frankly, I think you are being disrespectful doing so.

Really stuffing peeed off. Considering I have been to 13 of the last 14 dawn services (including hosting one overseas), I don’t need someone telling me what I do and don’t respect with regards to our service men and woman, because I fall on a side of an argument you disagree with.

stuff Albo and stuff the voice referendum.

And to our fallen soldiers , “we will remember them” and I for one am thankful for the sacrifices you have made.


Side note, wonder what the diggers would have thought of how Dan Andrews locked us up for month upon month upon month. Democratic rights my arse. The nanny state Australia and specifically Victoria has become would make every single one of them roll over in their graves.

Sorry, you do get the democratic right to say whatever you hate about Albo (as long as it's not legally defamatory) and you can say and argue the Voice idea was stupid or whatever and vote against it. But you don't get the right to tell the rest of us that we shouldn't have been allowed to vote on whether to alter our Constitution or not simply because you opposed the proposal and you hate Albo/Labor. FFS, by law a referendum must be held for such alterations. By the way, I most likely would have agreed with you if it had been just a plebiscite with no legal bearing or the polls had always showed public opposition to the Voice, but for 5 years the polls had shown a majority supporting it until the last few months leading up to the referendum date. It had been an unresolved issue for six years, plus the referendum was an election promise. I can just imagine what the LNP/Murdoch crowd would've screamed if Albo pulled the referendum at the last minute: "Bla bla bla Lay-bah broke its election promise", "Bla bla bla Albo goes back on his word", "Bla bla bla Lay-bah scared to face the people", etc  . As for crying about the referendum cost after 9 years of the LNP rorting and peeing billions up the wall leaving nothing to show for it ... oh please! 

What gave me the s***s was some of us here give up our time to work for the AEC/VEC at election time. Organising and delivering elections doesn't just happen you know. Forget about me, but it's an insult to others I know from various backgrounds who take leave from their real jobs and life so that democracy, that was hard fought and won in war and peacetime, can be delivered. Some of these people are pulling up to 15 hour shifts on election day so that everyone gets their vote and say. Think of them at least. Better yet register your name and see for yourself how it all works. It certainly gives everyone who does it a greater appreciation of the electoral process and how rigorous and fair our elections are no matter what the result. 


As for your side note - classic NewsCorp speak which ignores Australian history. Directly following WW1, the Spanish Flu caused 40% of the then 5m population to get sick and which killed an estimated 12-15,000 Aussies despite a swift quarantine response. The returning diggers didn't complain about the quarantine requirements. Sadly over 1200 diggers died from it. Imagine surviving the hell-holes of Gallipoli, Flanders and/or the Middle East, only to die from influenza  .

One particular respiratory infection that probably presented the most serious threat to the Australian forces came very late in the war in the shape of the Spanish flu pandemic. Among the AIF in France there were nearly 22,000 cases from the middle of 1918, and ultimately 1,238 died.
https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/article2

That overall Oz deathrate by the way would be equivalent to between 62,400 to 78,000 dying these days from our current 26m population. While the lockdowns sucked and there were govt stuff ups, the Covid response saved tens of thousands of people's lives. Pretty safe to say the diggers wouldn't be rolling in their graves because we saved lives .


https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/influenza-pandemic#:~:text=Despite%20a%20swift%20quarantine%20response,the%20virus%20spread%20through%20Australia.

The first vaccine mandate was in Victoria on Nov 20, 1854, in response to a Smallpox outbreak in Ballarat. If you recognise the location and date, it was just two weeks before the Eureka Stockade. Funnily enough the miners revolted against the mining licences and NOT the vaccine mandate. I'd guess in an era where people often died from what are nowdays controlled diseases via vaccines, vaccine mandates were a godsend. Anti-vaxxers (not you) these days who grow up in a vaccinated society take it all for granted.

https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/provenance-journal/provenance-2018/smallpox-ballarat


https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/hist_act/aatmctpov456.pdf

 

[Chuck17]

My favourite was the $17 cost of a pizza, ffs some people can’t even afford the $5 Domino special

[Assange Tiger 😎]

Reminds me of Airbus not knowing how much bread costs

Just totally out of touch Albo and his staunch supporters

[Diocletian]

One thing I know is that today is the first time I’ve felt insulted in this thread.

Sure , my intelligence has been insulted many times, but I am really annoyed by one part of what’s been said today.

MT, don’t tell me I’m ungrateful of the efforts of the ANZACS because I think the voice referendum was a waste of money. Linking “Lest We Forget” and “the ultimate sacrifice” to your argument is pathetic. Frankly, I think you are being disrespectful doing so.

Really stuffing peeed off. Considering I have been to 13 of the last 14 dawn services (including hosting one overseas), I don’t need someone telling me what I do and don’t respect with regards to our service men and woman, because I fall on a side of an argument you disagree with.

stuff Albo and stuff the voice referendum.

And to our fallen soldiers , “we will remember them” and I for one am thankful for the sacrifices you have made.


Side note, wonder what the diggers would have thought of how Dan Andrews locked us up for month upon month upon month. Democratic rights my arse. The nanny state Australia and specifically Victoria has become would make every single one of them roll over in their graves.

Sorry, you do get the democratic right to say whatever you hate about Albo (as long as it's not legally defamatory) and you can say and argue the Voice idea was stupid or whatever and vote against it. But you don't get the right to tell the rest of us that we shouldn't have been allowed to vote on whether to alter our Constitution or not simply because you opposed the proposal and you hate Albo/Labor. FFS, by law a referendum must be held for such alterations. By the way, I most likely would have agreed with you if it had been just a plebiscite with no legal bearing or the polls had always showed public opposition to the Voice, but for 5 years the polls had shown a majority supporting it until the last few months leading up to the referendum date. It had been an unresolved issue for six years, plus the referendum was an election promise. I can just imagine what the LNP/Murdoch crowd would've screamed if Albo pulled the referendum at the last minute: "Bla bla bla Lay-bah broke its election promise", "Bla bla bla Albo goes back on his word", "Bla bla bla Lay-bah scared to face the people", etc  . As for crying about the referendum cost after 9 years of the LNP rorting and peeing billions up the wall leaving nothing to show for it ... oh please! 

What gave me the s***s was some of us here give up our time to work for the AEC/VEC at election time. Organising and delivering elections doesn't just happen you know. Forget about me, but it's an insult to others I know from various backgrounds who take leave from their real jobs and life so that democracy, that was hard fought and won in war and peacetime, can be delivered. Some of these people are pulling up to 15 hour shifts on election day so that everyone gets their vote and say. Think of them at least. Better yet register your name and see for yourself how it all works. It certainly gives everyone who does it a greater appreciation of the electoral process and how rigorous and fair our elections are no matter what the result. 


As for your side note - classic NewsCorp speak which ignores Australian history. Directly following WW1, the Spanish Flu caused 40% of the then 5m population to get sick and which killed an estimated 12-15,000 Aussies despite a swift quarantine response. The returning diggers didn't complain about the quarantine requirements. Sadly over 1200 diggers died from it. Imagine surviving the hell-holes of Gallipoli, Flanders and/or the Middle East, only to die from influenza  .

One particular respiratory infection that probably presented the most serious threat to the Australian forces came very late in the war in the shape of the Spanish flu pandemic. Among the AIF in France there were nearly 22,000 cases from the middle of 1918, and ultimately 1,238 died.
https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/article2

That overall Oz deathrate by the way would be equivalent to between 62,400 to 78,000 dying these days from our current 26m population. While the lockdowns sucked and there were govt stuff ups, the Covid response saved tens of thousands of people's lives. Pretty safe to say the diggers wouldn't be rolling in their graves because we saved lives .


https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/influenza-pandemic#:~:text=Despite%20a%20swift%20quarantine%20response,the%20virus%20spread%20through%20Australia.

The first vaccine mandate was in Victoria on Nov 20, 1854, in response to a Smallpox outbreak in Ballarat. If you recognise the location and date, it was just two weeks before the Eureka Stockade. Funnily enough the miners revolted against the mining licences and NOT the vaccine mandate. I'd guess in an era where people often died from what are nowdays controlled diseases via vaccines, vaccine mandates were a godsend. Anti-vaxxers (not you) these days who grow up in a vaccinated society take it all for granted.

https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/provenance-journal/provenance-2018/smallpox-ballarat


https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/hist_act/aatmctpov456.pdf

 

 

[mightytiges]

My favourite was the $17 cost of a pizza, ffs some people can’t even afford the $5 Domino special

LOL @ Domino's. You get your coffee from Starbucks too?

I'd guess Dutton and co. go to Subway, spend $3.4b+, and still walk out empty handed with no subs    .

At my local family pizza joint, I can get a large capriciosa, garlic bread and a drink for $19. Cheaper than bloody Domino's. But as I said, it's around the same cost as a vote  .

[mightytiges]

Reminds me of Airbus not knowing how much bread costs

Just totally out of touch Albo and his staunch supporters

I cook at home far more than I eat out. A big pot of pasta that's a homemade family concoction and last's a whole week costs about $3 per meal. Actually, might start a food thread about it.

[Chuck17]

Councils not holding citizenship ceremonies on Australia Day is a disgrace

Labor should grow some balls and stop this nonsense

[Damo]

Councils not holding citizenship ceremonies on Australia Day is a disgrace

Labor should grow some balls and stop this nonsense

More nanny state nonsense

Australia is fried

[mightytiges]

Ah, the annual treacherous Murdoch media sook about their fake history day .

Too bad Australia as a nation was founded on Jan 1, 1901. Tomorrow is Australia's 123rd birthday  . Our real national day .

Btw the Fed govt. doesn't control local councils. Plus, local councils hold citizenship ceremonies throughout the year and were already changing dates when the Coalition were last in government. Nothing new here but the usual political reactionary anti-independent Australia cultural war BS from the LNP/Murdoch media.

It's hilarious that these hypocrites with their foreign allegiances who cry "small government" want the government to force us Aussies to accept fake history and do as they demand  .


Of course, this faux outrage about a fake holiday made up only in 1994 (so much for tradition! ) comes from those that gave us this idiocy:


Next minute:





#ProudIndependentAustralian

[Chuck17]

Ah, the annual treacherous Murdoch media sook about their fake history day .

Too bad Australia as a nation was founded on Jan 1, 1901. Tomorrow is Australia's 123rd birthday  . Our real national day .

Btw the Fed govt. doesn't control local councils. Plus, local councils hold citizenship ceremonies throughout the year and were already changing dates when the Coalition were last in government. Nothing new here but the usual political reactionary anti-independent Australia cultural war BS from the LNP/Murdoch media.

It's hilarious that these hypocrites with their foreign allegiances who cry "small government" want the government to force us Aussies to accept fake history and do as they demand  .


Of course, this faux outrage about a fake holiday made up only in 1994 (so much for tradition! ) comes from those that gave us this idiocy:


Next minute:





#ProudIndependentAustralian

I reckon 62% of Australians would call bs on your post and can see these virtual signalling councils actions for what they really are

[Diocletian]

I reckon 62% of Australians would call bs on your post and can see these virtual signalling councils actions for what they really are

AKA the sane , non-leftarded, non- Murdoch Derangement Syndrome suffering silent majority of Australia. #leftismisamentaldisorder

Local councils need to STFU and concentrate on the three R's - roads, rates & rubbish (actual rubbish not left wing political rubbish -redundant as it to affix "rubbish" to left wing)

[Gigantor]

Being caught in the politics of left and right is what holds back communities, countries and the world from real progress
Again my favourite saying… left wing , right wing , it’s still the same bird.

[mightytiges]

Ah, the annual treacherous Murdoch media sook about their fake history day .

Too bad Australia as a nation was founded on Jan 1, 1901. Tomorrow is Australia's 123rd birthday  . Our real national day .

Btw the Fed govt. doesn't control local councils. Plus, local councils hold citizenship ceremonies throughout the year and were already changing dates when the Coalition were last in government. Nothing new here but the usual political reactionary anti-independent Australia cultural war BS from the LNP/Murdoch media.

It's hilarious that these hypocrites with their foreign allegiances who cry "small government" want the government to force us Aussies to accept fake history and do as they demand  .


Of course, this faux outrage about a fake holiday made up only in 1994 (so much for tradition! ) comes from those that gave us this idiocy:


Next minute:





#ProudIndependentAustralian

I reckon 62% of Australians would call bs on your post and can see these virtual signalling councils actions for what they really are

The irony of claiming changing a fake date as being "virtual" signalling  .

Anyway, my view isn't based on some popularity contest. I stick to actual Oz history. 1st Jan 1901 is the day our nation was founded. That's a historical fact. It's even stated on the Australian parliamentary website:

"Australia became a nation on 1 January 1901 when 6 British colonies—New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the Commonwealth of Australia. This process is known as Federation."
https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/history-of-parliament/federation/the-federation-of-australia

Any other date chosen to be our national day is made up BS. And it's an indictment on our pollies (all sides), the moronic media, as well as the pathetic lack of teaching of Oz history that not every single Aussie knows it and celebrates Jan 1 after 123 years.


As for the LNP and its various previous incarnations, they've been wrong so many times before on this stuff that they've had to be dragged kicking and screaming to reality. When you go back in time their anti-independent Australian chicken little hysterics are as hilarious as they are cringeworthy and embarrassing .

Them and their Murdoch cheerleaders now sooking about changing a date that has only been a holiday since 1994 is just their latest overblown sook. I'm pretty sure most Aussies will survive and just get on with their lives when the date is eventually changed. The date has been changed before and when I was a kid in the 70s/80s barely anyone gave a stuff about Jan 26 as it was a Sydney thing. FFS, Moomba was more the traditional celebration in Melbourne. The only thing we cared about in late Jan was watching the Adelaide test match on TV.

LNP opposition to us having our own national anthem


Opposition to us having our own Aussie-born GG


   

[Assange Tiger 😎]

If January 26 is a made up holiday, why is it so offensive to a loud minority?