Benny Gale on SEN

[gerkin greg]

I'm sure DX does go alright, nice scouting of the second tier leagues by FJ don't you agree?

You see how you're contradicting yourself right? 

[Francois Jackson]

I'm sure DX does go alright, nice scouting of the second tier leagues by FJ don't you agree?

You see how you're contradicting yourself right? 

No i dont not at all. I didnt say he got all of them wrong. i.e Jack, Helbig

DX, IMO will be good but has he played a game. NO. So how has FJ got that one right.

We are sitting near the bottom having played no finals since he came on board. Yes he got some right i.e Jack R etc etc but so many wrong.

IMO and its only my opinion he has had more failures than wins at this stage

[Dubstep Dookie]

DX, IMO will be good but has he played a game. NO. So how has FJ got that one right.

Conversly, How has he got that one wrong?

[Infamy]

I'm sure DX does go alright, nice scouting of the second tier leagues by FJ don't you agree?

You see how you're contradicting yourself right? 

No i dont not at all. I didnt say he got all of them wrong. i.e Jack, Helbig

DX, IMO will be good but has he played a game. NO. So how has FJ got that one right.

We are sitting near the bottom having played no finals since he came on board. Yes he got some right i.e Jack R etc etc but so many wrong.

IMO and its only my opinion he has had more failures than wins at this stage

Please point out a recruiter who has got them all right!?!

[Francois Jackson]

I'm sure DX does go alright, nice scouting of the second tier leagues by FJ don't you agree?

You see how you're contradicting yourself right? 

No i dont not at all. I didnt say he got all of them wrong. i.e Jack, Helbig

DX, IMO will be good but has he played a game. NO. So how has FJ got that one right.

We are sitting near the bottom having played no finals since he came on board. Yes he got some right i.e Jack R etc etc but so many wrong.

IMO and its only my opinion he has had more failures than wins at this stage

Please point out a recruiter who has got them all right!?!

There aren't but i can assure you if FJ was working at Collingwood with his strike rate well its fair to say he wouldnt have a job.

His record is far from impressive, now and even when he was employed P/T in the mid part of last decade

Let me ask you this in all seriousness. How do you rate his performance thus far since he arrived at the club on a F/T and P/T basis

[Tigermonk]

Dont matter what color they are down at Tigerland, a few of the white boys are really struggling to cope with relocation. Give them more bags of lollies Benny or send them home.
Some McDonalds will help them, next generation will destroy the country 

[Infamy]

I'm sure DX does go alright, nice scouting of the second tier leagues by FJ don't you agree?

You see how you're contradicting yourself right? 

No i dont not at all. I didnt say he got all of them wrong. i.e Jack, Helbig

DX, IMO will be good but has he played a game. NO. So how has FJ got that one right.

We are sitting near the bottom having played no finals since he came on board. Yes he got some right i.e Jack R etc etc but so many wrong.

IMO and its only my opinion he has had more failures than wins at this stage

Please point out a recruiter who has got them all right!?!

There aren't but i can assure you if FJ was working at Collingwood with his strike rate well its fair to say he wouldnt have a job.

His record is far from impressive, now and even when he was employed P/T in the mid part of last decade

Let me ask you this in all seriousness. How do you rate his performance thus far since he arrived at the club on a F/T and P/T basis

If FJ was at Collingwood he would have substantially more resources at his disposal to assist in making these calls. The development side is still a major component towards whether a player makes it or not.

As for rating his performance, well the 2006 draft was his first proper one and he did very well out of that one
The 2007-2010 drafts are still too soon to judge, even the 2006 draft is still a work in progress

[tiger4life]

I'm sure DX does go alright, nice scouting of the second tier leagues by FJ don't you agree?

You see how you're contradicting yourself right? 

No i dont not at all. I didnt say he got all of them wrong. i.e Jack, Helbig

DX, IMO will be good but has he played a game. NO. So how has FJ got that one right.

We are sitting near the bottom having played no finals since he came on board. Yes he got some right i.e Jack R etc etc but so many wrong.

IMO and its only my opinion he has had more failures than wins at this stage

Please point out a recruiter who has got them all right!?!

There aren't but i can assure you if FJ was working at Collingwood with his strike rate well its fair to say he wouldnt have a job.

His record is far from impressive, now and even when he was employed P/T in the mid part of last decade

Let me ask you this in all seriousness. How do you rate his performance thus far since he arrived at the club on a F/T and P/T basis

Maybe you should have a look at Chris Pelchens strike rate, Hawthorns recruiting has been abysmal since 04.

2005 Draft

Pick 3 - Xavier Ellis
Pick 6 - Beau Dowler
Pick 14 - Grant Birchall
Pick 18 - Max Bailey
Pick 22 - Beau Muston
Pick 38 - Travis Tuck
PSD - Brent Guerra
Rookie - Luke McKentee
Rookie - Lukas Marvokic
Rookie - Stephen Gilham
Rookie - Ben Kane
Rookie - Ben McGlynn


2006 Draft

Pick 6 - Mitch Thorp
Pick 24 - Brent Renouf
Pick 33 - Jarryd Morton
Pick 40 - Josh Kennedy
Pick 56 - Garry Moss
PSD Pick 5 - Josh Thurgood
Rookie - Brett Collins
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Sam Gibson

2007 Draft

Pick 12 - Cyril Rioli
Pick 29 - Brendan Whitecross
Pick 45 - Stewart Dew
Rookie - Hugh Sandilands
Rookie - Timothy Walsh
Rookie - Alex Grima
Rookie - Cameron Stokes

2008 Draft

Pick 16 - Ryan Schoenmakers
Pick 34 - Liam Shiels
Pick 50 - Jordan Lisle
Pick 63 - Luke Lowden
Rookie - Riley Milne
Rookie - Haydn Kiel
Rookie - Luke Breust
Rookie - Carl Peterson
Rookie - Gary Moss
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - William Suerakowski

2009 Draft

Pick 39 - Sam Grimley
Pick 46 - Bejamin Stratton
Pick 57 - Jordan Williams
Pick 58 - Rhan Hooper
Pick 69 - Taylor Duryea
Pick 70 - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Wayde Skipper
Rookie - Jarrod Hayler-Thompson
Rookie - Michael Johnston

In summary, Pelchen has had 48 picks in the last 5 drafts. 6 of these selections were first round choices, 10 within the top 30.

And FJ is bad. 

[gerkin greg]

and how much is McGlynn tearing it up at the Swans LMAO
Kennedy not bad either

but RFC is the only club who's players get better when they leave 

[tony_montana]

Did anybody hear Pendles interview on SEN? said something like "if you don't want to be here then just go"

[Penelope]

Name them!

The club obviously doesn't think so as they did not use all their rookie spots.

You do understand that no club ever gets 100% of their draft picks right?

Colongwoood would have taken Taylor if we didnt - they talked him out of signing with the suns, who obviously wanted him as well.

But no, Jackson is the only fool in the world of football that thought he was worth the risk

Read my post i just named 2. Curnow and Lower from this years draft. There are many more where that come from. Why draft Indigenous boys if we cant develop them properly. What is the point you tell me?

After the Barlow and Pods example we should've been looking at the VFL grade a little more closely not focusing our attention on a bloke who wears coloured boots and thought his poo dont stink.

Il say this if Taylor went to the Pies you can almost guarantee he would be playing in the VFL and not wearing those pathetic coloured boots.

To quote James Hird re: Kyle Riemers "He can wear those boots all he likes but it wont be playing for the senior team"

Perfect response no player is bigger than the club.

 ,
When you said "there are so many Curnow's and Lower's floating around." I thought you meant there was a heap of blokes with similar ability but different names (which is why I asked you to name them),not just a heap of blokes with the same name.

Do all all these Curnows and Lowthers play for the same club as Curnow and Lowther did?

[Francois Jackson]

I'm sure DX does go alright, nice scouting of the second tier leagues by FJ don't you agree?

You see how you're contradicting yourself right? 

No i dont not at all. I didnt say he got all of them wrong. i.e Jack, Helbig

DX, IMO will be good but has he played a game. NO. So how has FJ got that one right.

We are sitting near the bottom having played no finals since he came on board. Yes he got some right i.e Jack R etc etc but so many wrong.

IMO and its only my opinion he has had more failures than wins at this stage

Please point out a recruiter who has got them all right!?!

There aren't but i can assure you if FJ was working at Collingwood with his strike rate well its fair to say he wouldnt have a job.

His record is far from impressive, now and even when he was employed P/T in the mid part of last decade

Let me ask you this in all seriousness. How do you rate his performance thus far since he arrived at the club on a F/T and P/T basis

Maybe you should have a look at Chris Pelchens strike rate, Hawthorns recruiting has been abysmal since 04.

2005 Draft

Pick 3 - Xavier Ellis
Pick 6 - Beau Dowler
Pick 14 - Grant Birchall
Pick 18 - Max Bailey
Pick 22 - Beau Muston
Pick 38 - Travis Tuck
PSD - Brent Guerra
Rookie - Luke McKentee
Rookie - Lukas Marvokic
Rookie - Stephen Gilham
Rookie - Ben Kane
Rookie - Ben McGlynn


2006 Draft

Pick 6 - Mitch Thorp
Pick 24 - Brent Renouf
Pick 33 - Jarryd Morton
Pick 40 - Josh Kennedy
Pick 56 - Garry Moss
PSD Pick 5 - Josh Thurgood
Rookie - Brett Collins
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Sam Gibson

2007 Draft

Pick 12 - Cyril Rioli
Pick 29 - Brendan Whitecross
Pick 45 - Stewart Dew
Rookie - Hugh Sandilands
Rookie - Timothy Walsh
Rookie - Alex Grima
Rookie - Cameron Stokes

2008 Draft

Pick 16 - Ryan Schoenmakers
Pick 34 - Liam Shiels
Pick 50 - Jordan Lisle
Pick 63 - Luke Lowden
Rookie - Riley Milne
Rookie - Haydn Kiel
Rookie - Luke Breust
Rookie - Carl Peterson
Rookie - Gary Moss
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - William Suerakowski

2009 Draft

Pick 39 - Sam Grimley
Pick 46 - Bejamin Stratton
Pick 57 - Jordan Williams
Pick 58 - Rhan Hooper
Pick 69 - Taylor Duryea
Pick 70 - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Wayde Skipper
Rookie - Jarrod Hayler-Thompson
Rookie - Michael Johnston

In summary, Pelchen has had 48 picks in the last 5 drafts. 6 of these selections were first round choices, 10 within the top 30.

And FJ is bad. 

hawthorn won a flag and have made finals regulary.

i rest my case

[Infamy]

I'm sure DX does go alright, nice scouting of the second tier leagues by FJ don't you agree?

You see how you're contradicting yourself right? 

No i dont not at all. I didnt say he got all of them wrong. i.e Jack, Helbig

DX, IMO will be good but has he played a game. NO. So how has FJ got that one right.

We are sitting near the bottom having played no finals since he came on board. Yes he got some right i.e Jack R etc etc but so many wrong.

IMO and its only my opinion he has had more failures than wins at this stage

Please point out a recruiter who has got them all right!?!

There aren't but i can assure you if FJ was working at Collingwood with his strike rate well its fair to say he wouldnt have a job.

His record is far from impressive, now and even when he was employed P/T in the mid part of last decade

Let me ask you this in all seriousness. How do you rate his performance thus far since he arrived at the club on a F/T and P/T basis

Maybe you should have a look at Chris Pelchens strike rate, Hawthorns recruiting has been abysmal since 04.

2005 Draft

Pick 3 - Xavier Ellis
Pick 6 - Beau Dowler
Pick 14 - Grant Birchall
Pick 18 - Max Bailey
Pick 22 - Beau Muston
Pick 38 - Travis Tuck
PSD - Brent Guerra
Rookie - Luke McKentee
Rookie - Lukas Marvokic
Rookie - Stephen Gilham
Rookie - Ben Kane
Rookie - Ben McGlynn


2006 Draft

Pick 6 - Mitch Thorp
Pick 24 - Brent Renouf
Pick 33 - Jarryd Morton
Pick 40 - Josh Kennedy
Pick 56 - Garry Moss
PSD Pick 5 - Josh Thurgood
Rookie - Brett Collins
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Sam Gibson

2007 Draft

Pick 12 - Cyril Rioli
Pick 29 - Brendan Whitecross
Pick 45 - Stewart Dew
Rookie - Hugh Sandilands
Rookie - Timothy Walsh
Rookie - Alex Grima
Rookie - Cameron Stokes

2008 Draft

Pick 16 - Ryan Schoenmakers
Pick 34 - Liam Shiels
Pick 50 - Jordan Lisle
Pick 63 - Luke Lowden
Rookie - Riley Milne
Rookie - Haydn Kiel
Rookie - Luke Breust
Rookie - Carl Peterson
Rookie - Gary Moss
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - William Suerakowski

2009 Draft

Pick 39 - Sam Grimley
Pick 46 - Bejamin Stratton
Pick 57 - Jordan Williams
Pick 58 - Rhan Hooper
Pick 69 - Taylor Duryea
Pick 70 - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Wayde Skipper
Rookie - Jarrod Hayler-Thompson
Rookie - Michael Johnston

In summary, Pelchen has had 48 picks in the last 5 drafts. 6 of these selections were first round choices, 10 within the top 30.

And FJ is bad. 

hawthorn won a flag and have made finals regulary.

i rest my case

Not based on those drafts they didn't, their grand final side was made up primarily of players from before then, only a handful of exceptions

[tiger4life]

I'm sure DX does go alright, nice scouting of the second tier leagues by FJ don't you agree?

You see how you're contradicting yourself right? 

No i dont not at all. I didnt say he got all of them wrong. i.e Jack, Helbig

DX, IMO will be good but has he played a game. NO. So how has FJ got that one right.

We are sitting near the bottom having played no finals since he came on board. Yes he got some right i.e Jack R etc etc but so many wrong.

IMO and its only my opinion he has had more failures than wins at this stage

Please point out a recruiter who has got them all right!?!

There aren't but i can assure you if FJ was working at Collingwood with his strike rate well its fair to say he wouldnt have a job.

His record is far from impressive, now and even when he was employed P/T in the mid part of last decade

Let me ask you this in all seriousness. How do you rate his performance thus far since he arrived at the club on a F/T and P/T basis

Maybe you should have a look at Chris Pelchens strike rate, Hawthorns recruiting has been abysmal since 04.

2005 Draft

Pick 3 - Xavier Ellis
Pick 6 - Beau Dowler
Pick 14 - Grant Birchall
Pick 18 - Max Bailey
Pick 22 - Beau Muston
Pick 38 - Travis Tuck
PSD - Brent Guerra
Rookie - Luke McKentee
Rookie - Lukas Marvokic
Rookie - Stephen Gilham
Rookie - Ben Kane
Rookie - Ben McGlynn


2006 Draft

Pick 6 - Mitch Thorp
Pick 24 - Brent Renouf
Pick 33 - Jarryd Morton
Pick 40 - Josh Kennedy
Pick 56 - Garry Moss
PSD Pick 5 - Josh Thurgood
Rookie - Brett Collins
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Sam Gibson

2007 Draft

Pick 12 - Cyril Rioli
Pick 29 - Brendan Whitecross
Pick 45 - Stewart Dew
Rookie - Hugh Sandilands
Rookie - Timothy Walsh
Rookie - Alex Grima
Rookie - Cameron Stokes

2008 Draft

Pick 16 - Ryan Schoenmakers
Pick 34 - Liam Shiels
Pick 50 - Jordan Lisle
Pick 63 - Luke Lowden
Rookie - Riley Milne
Rookie - Haydn Kiel
Rookie - Luke Breust
Rookie - Carl Peterson
Rookie - Gary Moss
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - William Suerakowski

2009 Draft

Pick 39 - Sam Grimley
Pick 46 - Bejamin Stratton
Pick 57 - Jordan Williams
Pick 58 - Rhan Hooper
Pick 69 - Taylor Duryea
Pick 70 - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Wayde Skipper
Rookie - Jarrod Hayler-Thompson
Rookie - Michael Johnston

In summary, Pelchen has had 48 picks in the last 5 drafts. 6 of these selections were first round choices, 10 within the top 30.

And FJ is bad. 

hawthorn won a flag and have made finals regulary.

i rest my case

With only 3 players from that list actually playing in the GF Dew, Rioli and Guerra, other then that there recruiting has been poo.

Hawthorns premiership team was built largely from 2000-2004 and then winning the premiership in 2008.

[Francois Jackson]

Boys Boys boys im saying pelchen contributed to them winning the flag. Dew, Rioli, Gilham, Guerra all played their part in the flag.

Who cares about Pelchen or the Hawks. Do you want to start comparing FJ and Clayton now too then?

At the end of the day you guys think he has done well i dont. We digress

I do agree with one thing you said its one thing to recruit the right player yet you have to develop them which i still think is our major problem even more than that of our recruiting.